Time Nick Message 00:26 Sven_vB nah, not sufficiently motivated atm 00:30 Sven_vB well, those CSM are useless for my usecase atm because my favorite server requests to disable CSM. overriding that would go in a grey area. 00:46 specing > we can then make MT a distributed computing platform, and maybe even add a block chain. 00:47 specing imagine the lag when all your actions have to be confirmed by a few mined blocks 00:47 erlehmann well, those CSM are useless for my usecase atm because my favorite server requests to disable CSM. overriding that would go in a grey area. 00:47 erlehmann lol 00:48 erlehmann Sven_vB disabling assistive technologies is a courtesy at most 00:49 Sven_vB it's all about how reasonable people are. if I were entirely reasonable, I just wouldn't play there. :D 00:54 erlehmann Sven_vB why would anyone ask people to turn CSMs off? 00:54 erlehmann i think waspsaliva contains an autoclicker for laggy servers 00:55 erlehmann it just clicks on the items until you get them 00:55 erlehmann not sure though 01:01 Sven_vB erlehmann, dunno, I don't fully understand their views and considerations. I just adapt to them to the extent that my motivation and time allow. 01:03 erlehmann Sven_vB, just use waspsaliva 01:09 Sven_vB I might consider it another day 01:10 Sven_vB problem is, whenever I'm in a reasonable enough mood to try waspaliva, it goes far enough as to not play MT but do more productive things. =) 09:15 independent56 I can't wait until someone confuses "i am running a server" with "i am running a supercomputer". 09:16 Noclip[m] Who doesn't have a supercomputer in their basement? 09:17 independent56 i knowwww! imgaine not having the budget to do so! 09:17 Noclip[m] Poor losers I guess. 09:18 independent56 But seriously, i would pu my supercomputer outside, and build a shelter for it. Like most datacentres do. 09:19 independent56 And imagine being so cheap you use a 32 bit underpowered computer as your server XD (totallynotme) 09:22 Noclip[m] independent56: Imagine building a computer outside without a shelter xD 09:22 Noclip[m] s/computer/supercomputer 09:22 independent56 Welll, you build the supercomputer, and then build a warehouse around it. Which explains why google's datacentres are in california. 09:24 Noclip[m] I'd probably start with the warehouse and add the computer after that ... 09:27 independent56 What if you build it with feet instead of metres? you need to build the compuiter first then size the warehouse for it. 09:27 Noclip[m] What if it rains? 09:28 independent56 You check the weather first, obviously 09:29 Noclip[m] And then at that day weather predictions turn out to be wrong, lol. 09:29 independent56 I guess you make the computer waterproof 09:30 Noclip[m] "Hey, look at our super expensive supercomputer, it's swimming over there ..." 09:30 Noclip[m] independent56: I thought that would be the job of the warehouse, lol. 09:31 independent56 Which is why you build the warehouse. The order in which you buildboth is debateable. 09:31 independent56 i still haven't built adedicated warehouse for my server. 09:31 Noclip[m] First the warehouse and then the supercomputer ... 09:32 independent56 What if you run out of budget building the warehouse? 09:32 Noclip[m] You usually also build first your house and then put stuff into it, not the other way around! 09:32 independent56 Well a house and computer are entirely different 09:33 independent56 its like comparing a tree and houseplant. the tree is waterproof and can go outside. 09:34 Noclip[m] Which plants are not waterproof? 09:36 independent56 It depends on what you define as water. If you define water as a clear liquid, then plants are not waterproof 09:36 Noclip[m] I define water as water?! 09:38 Noclip[m] H2O 09:39 independent56 Well, it depends on purity. Pure water is actually quite dangerous 09:39 Noclip[m] independent56: You know, this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water 09:40 independent56 And of course, if the water is boiling, it could easily kill a plant 09:40 Noclip[m] Not sure where you live that it rains boiling water ... 09:41 Noclip[m] Which apparently also doesn't seem to make that much sense. 09:41 independent56 We aren't talking about rain; that's wheatherproofinh 09:42 Noclip[m] I was initially talking about rain ... 09:43 independent56 eh, i still think my server is fine without a warehous 09:43 Noclip[m] Your server is weatherproof then? 09:45 independent56 Yes. Somehow, it stays underneath the router in my didning room and rain has no effect on it. 09:46 Noclip[m] Because it's not outside?! 09:47 Noclip[m] "Well, it depends on purity. Pure water is actually quite dangerous" 09:47 Noclip[m] independent56: No, it's not. 09:47 independent56 Again, it depends onwhat you define as outside. My server is exposed to air, and there is air ojutside. Thus, it's outside 09:47 independent56 Impure water is even more dangerous 09:48 Noclip[m] Depends on what you mean by impure. 09:48 Noclip[m] Also stop pretending you wouldn't understand what I mean ... 09:51 independent56 I do understand what you mean. It depends on what you define as understand. 09:51 Noclip[m] You know exactly what I mean with "outside" ... 09:52 independent56 And yeah, i think a server should be inside a warehouse. Waterproofing dosnen't always work,and i wouldn't trust these IRC logs to some waterproofed datacentre 09:52 Noclip[m] independent56: I see, you're trying to troll me ... 09:52 independent56 I am taking advantage of ambiguities within the english language and a depenence on context. 09:53 independent56 I think that's what happened to homeland. The server corrupted due to inneficent weatherproofing 09:54 Noclip[m] Most parts of non-formal languages aren't defined properly if at all. 09:54 independent56 I guess we all have to speak lawerspeak. 09:55 Noclip[m] They're still using our non-formal languages. 09:55 Noclip[m] Examples for formal languages are math and computer languages. 09:58 independent56 i guess we allhave to speak lobjan 10:02 Noclip[m] independent56: You mean lojban? That doesn't seem to be a formal language either. 10:02 independent56 Well it has no ambiguity 10:02 independent56 close enough 10:04 Noclip[m] Actually there might be fairly good definitions for most words of most languages but they are encoded in some sort of weird proprietary format inside the human brain. 10:05 Noclip[m] And while we humans seem to be able to work somewhat sufficiently with those definitions we aren't really able to export them in a clean way. 10:13 independent56 I think we should focus less on the hardware and more on the software - how does this webserver goso quickly? How is this minetest server able to run so quick? Why does this server have extremely slow mapblock load times? 10:14 independent56 Actually reject that, i was wrong. Most of these are down to hardware 10:31 independent56 Well, goodnight 10:36 sfan5 how can you say goodnight at 12 o' clock 10:40 independent56 https://xkcd.com/320/ 11:12 AndrewYu1 Hi AristotIe 11:13 AristotIe Hullo 11:35 specing Please stop using GitHub and Discord -- https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html 13:10 independent56 Good morning! I hope my advtrains wiki changes are recieved well 13:17 Noclip[m] independent56: Not even three hours of sleep?! 13:17 independent56 I had to escape some way 14:32 erlehmann sfan5 is there any way to tell a node to please run its run-always-on-load LBM specifically? 14:32 sfan5 for a single node? 14:32 erlehmann use case: i use a vmanip to take nodes from a location and put them somewhere else 14:32 sfan5 ah I think you mentioned this before 14:32 erlehmann yes for a single node or the whole area 14:32 erlehmann it breaks on nodes that generate accompanying entities 14:33 erlehmann like, uh, mineclone2 chests 14:33 erlehmann but also prob enchantment tables 14:33 erlehmann the book on the table is an entity 14:33 sfan5 look into minetest.registered_lbms and call the ones that match 14:33 erlehmann banners too have a node and the banner entity is generated 14:33 erlehmann oh hmm good idea 14:33 erlehmann thank you! 14:34 erlehmann sfan5 i can just … call them? without any ill effects? 14:34 sfan5 basically yes 14:34 sfan5 you can do that with almost all things, just provide it the arguments it expects 15:52 independent56 LF question: Is the personhoob tram system operational? 17:38 independent_ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=27198&p=399614#p399614 has a final minetest vibe (yes, i know this troll has been discussed before) 17:47 independent_ How am isupposed to use protection blocks? do i tile them? 19:35 independent_ If i were to repalce my server with a desktop compiter, wouldtht be better? 19:41 Krock yes sure because upright shapes can run faster than flat, laid down ones 19:41 Krock (this is sarcasm btw) 19:44 independent_ Well, my server is a 32 bit, decade old webbook. And a desktop ould be relitively modern 19:51 specing why not replace it with a pentium 32-bit desktop? 19:54 MTDiscord I've had good luck just buying refurb office desktop machines for like $150 to $200 on amazon. They run solidly enough for servers, though part of why I like them is because it's easy to expand the fleet with commodity hardware like that. 19:59 Krock ^ this. take a semi-recent office PC and throw a mid-tier GPU and PSU in, and you're good to go. Avoid Dell though. 20:00 independent_ Why no dell?? 20:01 Krock their office PCs are likely to have proprietary cabling and connectors 20:02 independent_ Ah, so it's not failure issues. That's why my grandmother reccomends dell (she used a dell for a decade!) 20:02 MTDiscord do avoid dell 20:02 MTDiscord me and rubenwardy can tell you this 20:03 Krock add me in 20:03 MTDiscord my XPS 15's display has now died just after free servicing period ended 20:03 independent_ wow 20:04 independent_ Well, time to go desktop shopping! 20:04 independent_ What site do you reccomend? 20:04 jonadab Eh, Dell is pretty typical of large OEMs. 20:05 MTDiscord their laptops are arse 20:05 jonadab Granted, if you want all off-the-shelf components, large OEMs are not usually the way to go. 20:05 MTDiscord hell if you want a decent cheap desktop with bang for buck the M1 Mac Mini is that way 20:05 jonadab I heard a rumor that there's a company trying to make a fully standardized laptop out of all standard components. 20:05 MTDiscord you mean Clevo 20:06 MTDiscord Clevo makes those desktop replacement chassis 20:06 MTDiscord battery life does take a nose dive like football players 20:07 independent_ Now i think of it, all memories of desktop computers had the dell logo (except for the stone computer desktops) 20:12 independent_ Maybe i shouldn't take computer advice from my grandmother 20:23 rubenwardy I'm happy with my Dell laptop apart from the fact that it needed to be serviced 5 times, due to manufacturing errors. They don't do much QA 20:24 rubenwardy A pretty big "apart from" 20:24 jonadab Laptops in general are pants, though needing to have one serviced five times under warranty sounds worse than average. 20:26 rubenwardy It was for the same issue 20:26 rubenwardy Finally was fixed 20:26 rubenwardy Looks like the original motherboard and the first replacement motherboard were broken 20:27 rubenwardy But the second replacement worked... 20:29 independent_ My ASUS absolutely sucks. It used to creak a lot, and it's fan was on the hook. Now there is a loosenes on the bottom of the screen. 20:30 rubenwardy I got a Dell XPS 9370, their latest flagship laptop at the time 20:31 rubenwardy They sell them to businesses, I imagine they get better QA 20:31 independent_ But it works as a computer. And it performs better then mum's old one (When she commented about it when she used it forsome workas her computer would not connect tothe internet on the ferry) 21:31 independent56 Is a spawn traditionally built on pre-flattened ground or just the normal kind? 21:31 independent56 And what do you advise? 21:36 erlehmann independent56 as your attorney i advice you to take a detour to clamity anarchy :3