Time  Nick            Message
06:22 independent_    i love the "3-2-1 rule", but does the "2 types of media" mean that me using an SSD on my main, and a HDD on my backups is ok?
06:27 independent_    Haha my second hard drive goes "whoosh tick" once per second.
06:35 independent_    Now it's just going "hmmmmmmmmmm"
06:45 independent_    I just put the cover on the drive.. and wow, so much quieter.
07:47 mohammadashik   Hello!
07:53 MTDiscord       <j45> Hey
08:09 Swift110-mobile hey all
08:34 meldrian        Aloha everyone
10:01 IvanGorinich    hello
10:02 MTDiscord       <wwar> ?
10:03 IvanGorinich    i make roleplay server
10:03 IvanGorinich    but its rusian, who know rusian can join and play
10:04 IvanGorinich    you can make your own country or company
10:04 IvanGorinich    my server selfhosted and no comercial
10:04 IvanGorinich    commercial
10:05 * specing       roleplays as a disconnected player
10:48 MinetestBot     02[git] 04Panquesito7 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Replace Travis CI with GitHub actions (#2661) 139270188 https://git.io/JcQCJ (152021-07-08T10:47:37Z)
13:40 MinetestBot     twoelk: Jul-07 19:56 UTC <benrob0329> Already planned, though I don't remember if I had any ideas for how to keep players from building there
15:41 independent_    IvanGorinich, i can understand 12% of russian. What's the name? i would love to visit and see how such a server works, and what elements i can silently take into my own.
15:42 IvanGorinich    https://mtroleplay.ivangorinich.repl.co/
15:43 IvanGorinich    but you need yggdrasil mesh net client to join
15:43 IvanGorinich    becouse i havent static IP
15:44 independent_    My ip changed two days ago. it seems to happen every two or three months
15:45 independent_    How dynamic is your IP? if it happens once per week, then it's fine.
15:47 IvanGorinich    with NAT
15:47 IvanGorinich    from provider
15:47 IvanGorinich    not dynamic to internet
15:47 IvanGorinich    Dynamic in providers NAT
15:48 twoelk          is your own server up independent_ ?
15:49 independent_    Not online, and port forwarding seems to be confused
15:49 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> Sounds like not having a public IP might be a more common problem in the russian-speaking world...
15:50 twoelk          tsts, just when I was musing on doing some server touring
15:50 IvanGorinich    i dont have proxy on VPN server with static ip
15:50 independent_    I dont feel liek install ygdrasl on my ocmpute to play on one single server, sorry.
16:01 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> There are at least 4 servers on ygg so far
16:02 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> I had been thinking about trying to come up with a better solution for this, but the biggest problem is probably liability.
16:08 twoelk          I totally forgot that joining a VE server with empty cache may take forever
17:16 independent_    how could vannessa possibly operate so many servers? how do they have enough time to maintain the servers?
17:18 sfan5           the server admin doesn't have to do everything personally you know
17:23 independent_    Tell me more
17:24 Krock           docker start
17:24 Krock           docker start
17:24 Krock           docker start
17:24 Krock           repeat until all servers are up
17:24 Krock           then get some loyal people who won't wreck the server and give them mod powers
17:25 independent_    ohhh... now i get you... so each server is it's own container... i didn't know you could do that!
17:25 VanessaE        well it's a bit more than that
17:25 VanessaE        and I don't use docker
17:25 Krock           what you need to do is to take care of the infrastructure, so that the server runs well
17:25 Krock           such as fixing mods that cause errors for no good reason
17:26 Pexin           also what mods? your servers are all empty   :]
17:26 Pexin           (moderators)
17:26 VanessaE        :P
17:26 VanessaE        yeah they're not as popular as I'd like..
17:26 Krock           ?
17:26 VanessaE        *shrug*
17:49 independent_    I have just realised... maybe it is a good idea to use docker images to run minetest servers. what are the downsides of such a setup?
17:50 independent_    йвй в ивй  вхф
17:50 independent_    Oh wait, russian keyboard enabled. sorry.
17:50 MTDiscord       <appguru> independent_: Overhead.
17:51 independent_    some examples?
17:51 MTDiscord       <appguru> That appears to be pretty negligible though.
18:06 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> The advantages appear to significantly outweigh the disadvantages.  It's much easier to keep up to date, and to isolate config so that it's all in one place, reproducible and portable, etc
18:20 independent_    Very intresting... just that i need to see a current setup,  with a dockerfile i can stea- take inspiration from.
18:22 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/minetest
18:22 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> No need to take inspiration, it's basically turnkey, until you need to customize something beyond just installing games/mods or server config.
18:26 independent_    wow
18:29 beanzilla       Yikes... That image would be big... they really should learn about docker layers... Docker will persist the libs apt removes which bloats the iamge size and takes up space... Here's my Dockerfile... https://pastebin.com/XhjHH2YH
18:29 beanzilla       But if it works who really cares about the size.
18:30 independent_    https://imgur.com/a/jvuEDoc <-- here is a coushon i made for minetest, in textiles around the beggining of 2020.
18:30 beanzilla       Very neat.
18:30 independent_    2020-02-06
18:31 independent_    i had to do it under the supervision of a lower-class teacher, because duh, autism
18:32 independent_    oh wait i wasn't diagnosed until first quarter 2021 dammit
18:33 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> Optimizing an image for size often pessimizes it for incremental change speed.   I usually try to make as many layers as I reasonably can, sort them in ascending order of probability of needing to be rebuilt, and avoid stripping out dev dependencies since it wastes time adding whiteouts.
18:35 beanzilla       Ah, and I didn't notice that I have a proxy where I grab cached copies of the stuff needed from apt install.
18:36 beanzilla       That speeds up my build so I don't need to wait 10+ minutes from just downloading the libs and such.
18:37 beanzilla       Not to mention my dockerfile simply extracts the tar ball of the minetest source code... it needs that to build.. also needs a bit more setup work besides just drop-play.
18:38 * beanzilla     wanders off to find something else he can break on his machine. Hey this still works let's break it.
18:39 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> I use the lsio MT docker image for simple hosting at home.  For my "production" server I have a local custom image derived from it where I add more deps and then rebuild the server with pgsql enabled.
18:40 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> The basic version is adequate though for most servers, and I could probably get away with it on my production server if I were okay with taking the server down for backups.
18:41 beanzilla       Ooh, fancy stuff, Yeah I'm not brave enough to open to the public a server just yet.
18:41 beanzilla       Not to mention I'm more into making mods or fixing clear and obviously broken ones.
18:47 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> My main motivation for publicly listing a server is to get exposure and beta testers for Nodecore
19:15 independent_    i cant die in nodecore!
19:15 independent_    i can jump off cliffs!
19:15 independent_    i feel so free!
19:33 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> It's easy not to lose what you've already got, but it's hard to make progress.
20:33 independent56   Is creating an OS as hard as creating a programming language?
20:34 rubenwardy      depends
20:35 rubenwardy      on how much you want to do with either
20:35 independent56   I plan on taking a distro of linux, and adding default apps as well as OS changes, to make a more accessible OS, for teachers.
20:36 independent56   "One where forced computer users will be able to efficently and easily do stuff. Teachers are so painfully slow on computers... and for them, computers feel like they are tripping people up."
20:36 rubenwardy      oh right, that's more like customising a distro than making an OS
20:38 independent56   Yay! But i can still say "ohh i made an OS", right?
20:41 rubenwardy      in the same way someone someone who went to oxford brooks could say they went to oxford university
20:41 rubenwardy      so no
20:43 independent56   Well, i may be wrong, but it hasn't stopped people from saying things. Being wrong < The amazment of surrounding teachers when i say "i made an OS". But my honesty will probably make me say "i just added modules to a existing OS and edited some of it".
20:46 rubenwardy      it's dishonest
20:46 rubenwardy      if you actually want to make one, take a look at https://wiki.osdev.org/Main_Page
20:47 independent56   "Theres a wiki for everything" ~someone else
21:23 Lone_Wolf       *~wiki.wikis.org
21:39 MTDiscord       <appguru> LuaOS when?
21:43 rubenwardy      doesn't have manual memory management
21:43 rubenwardy      you could use it for user space stuff though
21:58 MTDiscord       <Warr1024> As a user, I want to use Lua for all my space stuff
22:04 MTDiscord       <Benrob0329> There is a systems language based on Lua, might be able to use that if you're clever
22:05 MTDiscord       <Benrob0329> But it'd probably be better to just have a Lua-based shell and utilities