Time  Nick        Message
05:40 tango_      how do you guys not get lost in caves?
05:47 MTDiscord   <09s​rinivas> noclip ftw
05:47 MTDiscord   <09s​rinivas> and torches
06:10 tango_      torches is what I was counting on, but this thing turned into a maze
06:12 tango_      oh, found the way out, lol
06:12 tango_      I need some kind of mapping
06:14 tango_      OK apparently the ocean I'm at is at Y=250
06:14 tango_      how is that possible
06:14 tango_      but worst of it, this might explain why I'm not finding any iron ore
06:15 tango_      if it's supposed to be at -150, this means I have to dig down 500 relative to the ocean
06:15 tango_      400, but whatever
06:15 tango_      way too much
06:26 tango_      next world I play I'll have to remember to check the depth of the ocean surface before starting to build my hose next to it 8-/
13:13 MTDiscord   <12W​arr1024> The torch thing is simple.  (1) always place torches along one wall only.  If you need additional lighting use only floor/ceiling torches and avoid the opposite wall.  (2) if you come to an intersection, explore at least a couple of torches worth down each path so you can always tell which way is the way back out even if one of those paths turns out to be part of a loop.  (3) to get out any time, just keep the torches on the
13:13 MTDiscord   opposite side to the way you place them.
13:22 tango_      Warr1024: excellent suggestions
13:59 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> use tnt to destroy all of the surrounding nodes of the cave so it is no longer a cave, its just one huge crater.
15:40 Noclip      @Warr1024: "The torch thing is simple." Except you're playing nodecore. ?
15:53 MTDiscord   <12W​arr1024> With NodeCore it's harder to get lost in a cave anyway because it's harder to get very far into one.
16:53 tango_      wth I just realized I was reading the pos in debug mode the wrong way
16:54 tango_      depth is the second coordinate, not the third
16:54 tango_      cripes
17:08 rubenwardy  The second coordinate is height, not depth
17:09 rubenwardy  Well, depth is ambiguous as a term
17:15 Ingar       the same idiocy like in mc ?
17:27 Krock       maths is stupid. Y is up down
17:28 rubenwardy  Paper is maths is horizontal, screens are vertical
17:29 rubenwardy  Y as up is very common in games
17:40 MTDiscord   <07j​osiah_wi> If you draw a cartesian graph on a screen you will behold a wonder: Y is up/down somehow. ^^
17:56 tango_      rubenwardy: well, negative Y is depth 8-)
17:58 tango_      still, disagree with the choice to change the depth at which iron can be found
18:10 tango_      AND I still don't understand how farming works
18:11 tango_      plants only grouw to level 1, never more
18:12 tango_      I understand I have to provide them with more light, but my only light source presently is the torch, which if I understand correctly only does 12 light, while 13 is needed for plants to grow, but apparently not even putting torches around the field solves the issue
18:12 tango_      doesn't light from adjacent torches accumulate?
18:12 tango_      and/or do plants not grow higher in MTG?
18:12 sfan5       what kind of plants?
18:14 tango_      sfan5: so far I tried papyrus, wheat and cotton
18:14 sfan5       papyrus needs to be next to water
18:14 tango_      I found 4-tall papyrus, mined it, and planted each of the papyrus next to water
18:14 sfan5       wheat and cotton need to be on farmland near water
18:15 tango_      hm
18:15 tango_      OK for the wheat and cotton I might be too far from the water
18:16 tango_      but the papyrus most definitely is not
18:48 Krock       plant it on dirt with grass
18:49 Krock       check for default:dirt_with_grass in the F5 debug info
20:09 tango_      Krock: you mean without turning it into soil first?
20:21 Krock       tango_: papyrus doesn't need soil
20:21 tango_      wow
20:22 Krock       though it should also grow on soil.. perhaps that's bug
20:22 tango_      it grows up to level 1
20:22 tango_      hm so arguably it doesn't grow, because 1 is the level it is at when I plant it
20:23 tango_      let me see if I can put it on some dirt with grass
20:23 tango_      (although it's not specified in the wiki that this is how it should be)
20:24 tango_      ooooh wait, it might be because it's savannah dirt
20:25 tango_      let's see
20:28 tango_      very strange
20:28 tango_      the soil is classified as dry_soil_wet
20:28 tango_      wth is that supoosed to mean?
20:29 sfan5       uhh
20:29 sfan5       well it's soil in any case
20:30 DS-minetest that's schrödinger's soil
20:30 Krock       it's dry but wet
20:31 Krock       depending on your viewing angle
20:33 DS-minetest let's add a wet group for nodes that are wet
20:34 DS-minetest to cause endless ~~discussions~~ issues about whether water is wet
20:34 Krock       is ice wet?
20:35 DS-minetest hmmm
20:35 Krock       is steam wet?
20:35 DS-minetest is lava wet?
20:37 rom1504     yes
20:44 tango_      ok papyrus was succesfully grown
20:45 tango_      it does not grow on soil
20:45 tango_      not sure if this is a bug or intentional
20:47 DS-minetest it was always like this. papyrus doesn't grow on promix
23:43 hisforever  Hi dose anyone know hoe to do a cross over on advanced tracks?
23:44 swift110    hey
23:48 hisforever  hi
23:51 hisforever  hoe = how