Time  Nick         Message
04:57 slemonide    Can I register abm after the game starts?
08:59 bebebeko     folks, I don't know how googling that, is there an easy way to do entity rotation around himself like on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzftue6zbyM ? I found minetest.rotate_and_place method but not sure about it..
09:09 MinetestBot  02[git] 04tuedel -> 03minetest/minetest_game: sethome: Replace deprecated function calls (#2724) 134858c2b https://git.io/JJRKM (152020-07-26T09:07:15Z)
09:15 bebebeko     okay, looks like i need some magic with object:set_animation() method
09:16 calcul0n     bebebeko, there's an automatic_rotate property on entities
09:16 calcul0n     Set constant rotation in radians per second, positive or negative
09:19 bebebeko     calcul0n: brilliant! thank you
13:13 deltasquared little thing you might all find amusing... experimenting with custom tone mapping in the shaders and I inadvertently created this monstrosity. https://a.uguu.se/PnFCdSm3BiO2_screenshot_20200726_140825.png
13:13 Zughy        hey there: wouldn't be better if the "Customize" section on the site only pointed to ContentDB? Because for instance the texture pack section is pretty outdated https://www.minetest.net/customize/
13:14 Talkless     Hi, I want to start minetest-server for another game, with different world direcotry, but I get: https://paste.debian.net/1157837/
13:14 Zughy        deltasquared: same the best way to fall into a pit
13:14 Talkless     worlds/world is for Lord of the Test
13:14 Zughy        *seem
13:15 Talkless     but I want to use different world for different Aftermath game *this time*
13:15 Talkless     https://paste.debian.net/1157839/
13:15 Talkless     how do I ask minetest server to create different directory for that different game
13:15 Talkless     I'm on Debian Sid
13:15 Astrobe      Funny, that shader accident reminds me of certain texture pack...
13:16 Talkless     I want that minetest-server@minetest will launch LOTT, and minetest-server@aftermath would launch Aftermath game, with different /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/<game>
13:18 Astrobe      Don't you confuse the name of the game with the name of the game, or both have the same name?
13:18 deltasquared Astrobe: to be honest if I dialed up the colour part and applied some thresholding I'd have deep fried minetest...
13:18 Talkless     Astrobe: I want different game to have different world directory
13:19 Talkless     currently I start minetest-server@aftermath but it still uses default worlds/world world directory, which is already used by LOTT
13:22 Talkless     I don't get it: World 'aftermath' not available. Available worlds
13:22 Talkless     so how do I create world?
13:22 Astrobe      I think you need to create a world - say "am" - manually for Aftermath then use "--worldname am" option
13:22 Talkless     Astrobe: world name is set:
13:22 Talkless     ExecStart=/usr/lib/minetest/minetestserver --config /etc/minetest/%i.conf --logfile /var/log/minetest/%i.log --gameid aftermath --worldname aftermath
13:22 Talkless     but log file contains:
13:22 Talkless     World 'aftermath' not available. Available worlds:
13:23 Talkless     also where's environment variable documentation?
13:23 Talkless     is it possibel to avoid --gameid --worldname, and use Environemnt= in override.conf?
13:23 Astrobe      hmmm checkout your config file. I think it can cobfigure gameid and worlname too, and that could be a conflict
13:24 Talkless     Astrobe: I've copied minetest.conf into aftermath.conf, maybe I've skipeed somethig. I did change default_game to aftermath
13:25 Talkless     Astrobe: most of stuff is commented-out, default_game = aftermath
13:31 Talkless     Astrobe: Iv'e renamed "world" into "lott", but it still selects "lott" then :D
13:31 Talkless     does not try to create new world
13:34 Talkless     Astrobe: only after making "worlds" directory empty, it created world "world" (not aftermath) ;/
13:37 Talkless     OK so after I have "lott" and "aftermath" worlds, I finaly started.. but:
13:37 Talkless     https://paste.debian.net/1157841/
13:37 Talkless     xban.db: No such file or directory
13:38 Talkless     "Invalid field inventory_image (expected string got table)"
13:38 Talkless     I guess that game does not work for 5.3 mintest? :/
13:38 Talkless     gal  minetest'as per naujas tam game'ui
13:42 Krock        Talkless: update the mod and then report it to the autor
13:43 Krock        also mobs_redo
13:43 Talkless     Krock: reported on Aftermath thread: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=378202#p378202
13:44 Talkless     Krock: do you know is it possible to avoid --gameid --worldname by using env. varibales?
13:44 Talkless     Krock: so I don't have to rewrite ExecStart= ?
13:44 Krock        there's no such option
13:44 Talkless     so waht's the point of having minetest-server@ then?
13:44 Krock        unless you create a script
13:44 Talkless     option with %i to select different config
13:44 Talkless     if that's ONLY for config
13:44 Talkless     well and for log file...
13:44 Krock        that's if you specify a map_dir in minetest.conf
13:45 Talkless     Krock: and no worldname in .conf too?
13:45 Talkless     default_game is there, yes.
13:45 Talkless     so that if I create minetest-server@foo it would read /etc/minetest/foo.conf and there would be specfiied different worldname
13:46 Krock        map_dir points to the world you want to use
13:46 bebebeko     folks, is there way to mass remove entities by specific tag/group?
13:46 Krock        the game id is then evaluated using the world's configuration
13:46 Talkless     Krock: what if I want to create new world?
13:46 Krock        bebebeko: which tags or groups? armor groups?
13:46 Talkless     Krock: Iv'e got "World 'aftermath' not available. Available worlds:" before...
13:46 Talkless     Krock: had to make sure that worlds directory is empty
13:47 Talkless     /var/games/minetest-game/.minetrst/world that is
13:47 Talkless     worlds*
13:48 Astrobe      There's also default/item_entity.lua to update if Aftermath is based on MTG.
13:48 Krock        mkdir worlds/myworld && echo gameid = aftermath >worlds/myworld/world.mt
13:48 Astrobe      Otherwise you'll get a crash with falling nodes, IIRC.
13:49 Krock        or specify "default_game = aftermath" in minetest.conf
13:50 Krock        that must create a new world if it does not exist yet
13:51 Krock        Talkless: I think the best strat here would be to move most of it into the minetest.conf file you're specifying on startup
13:52 Talkless     Krock: I have map_dir=/var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/aftermath/
13:52 Talkless     Krock: but I get 2020-07-26 16:52:04: ERROR[Main]: No world path specified or found.
13:52 Talkless     default_game = aftermath, yes
13:53 bebebeko     Krock: not exactly, i'm added a lot of entities with some metadata, for example entity:get_luaentity():path = "foobar", is there a way to select from minetest engine the entities with where "path == /foobar" filter and then mass remove them
13:53 bebebeko     s/with/with filter/
13:53 Krock        bebebeko: there is no metadata. what you're doing is modifying a Lua table which may vanish at any time
13:54 Krock        Talkless: okay that's weird... does it create worlds using the default settings?
13:54 Krock        i.e. only with a --worldname specified
13:54 Talkless     Krock: it creates world if no worlds present, I've hade to move "world" (which was for LOTT) outside of the dir
13:54 Krock        oh wait. --world /path/to/world
13:55 Astrobe      Th trailing slash in the pathspec is ok?
13:55 Talkless     Krock: it ignored --worldname, just auto-selected "world"
13:56 Krock        Talkless: I assume that's a fallback name back when there was only one world available in Minetest (0.3.1)
13:56 bebebeko     Krock: yep, i know, i just said it an for example, my question is there any proper way to select entities from minetest engine by some filter/tag/group/whatever?
13:56 Krock        bebebeko: you could get all entities within the range of 60E3 (gonna be enough for sure)  at position (0,0,0)
13:56 Krock        though that would only show loaded entities
13:57 Krock        there's currently no way to retrieve mapblock data or entity data from unloaded mapblocks
13:57 Talkless     Krock: if I have override.conf like this: https://paste.debian.net/1157843/
13:57 Talkless     Krock: I get this: 2020-07-26 16:56:32: ERROR[Main]: Error writing configuration file: "aftermath/world.mt"
13:57 Krock        Talkless: wrong link?
13:57 bebebeko     Krock: thank you! \o/
13:57 Talkless     Krock: n
13:57 Talkless     no
13:57 Krock        Talkless: what kind of a override.conf file is that?
13:58 Krock        for a systemd service?
13:58 Talkless     Krock: /etc/systemd/system/minetest-server@aftermath.service.d/override.conf
13:58 Krock        ahhh gotcha
13:58 Talkless     Krock: I want to have different serices for LOTT and Aftermath, and any other game
13:58 Krock        how does your --config file look like?
13:58 Talkless     with diferent worlds in /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/<game>
13:59 Krock        bebebeko:
13:59 Krock        !nextr
13:59 Krock        !next
13:59 MinetestBot  Another satisfied customer. Next!
13:59 Talkless     Krock:  https://paste.debian.net/1157844/
13:59 Krock        good so far
13:59 Talkless     Krock: and it would be nice to avoid overriding ExecStart...
14:00 Talkless     MINETEST_WORLDNAME env would help
14:00 Krock        yes but I suppose you cannot do that at the moment
14:00 Talkless     Krock: maybe map_dir should be path to "words"  ?
14:00 Krock        to me it just look like the systemd service user does not have access to /var/games
14:01 Talkless     Krock: anyway, I'll remove map_dir and use --worldname instead
14:01 Krock        map_dir should be a pretty solid choice, though. The startup argument handling isn't perfect
14:02 Talkless     Krock: I've removed map_dir, and my ExecStart now is:
14:02 Krock        just to make sure: the file permissions are alright for this world?
14:02 Talkless     ExecStart=/usr/lib/minetest/minetestserver --config /etc/minetest/%i.conf --logfile /var/log/minetest/%i.log --worldname aftermath
14:02 Talkless     and it works
14:02 Krock        what
14:02 Talkless     Krock: yes, it's "Debian-minetest games"
14:02 Talkless     Krock: well I still get these Lua errors
14:02 Talkless     but that's different issue
14:02 Krock        yes sure but it's very strange to me that map_dir does not work properly in this case
14:03 Talkless     Krock: maybe it does not have to be full absolute path? Just name?
14:04 Krock        oh.it's because it's called "map-dir"
14:04 Talkless     OK let me try
14:04 Krock        this setting is too old to follow naming specs
14:04 Talkless     removed --worldname
14:04 Talkless     Krock:  No world path specified or found. :/
14:05 Talkless     I'll see what sysdig says, what paths it searches
14:06 Krock        according to main.cpp L683 it's supposed to work like that
14:07 Krock        works for me...
14:07 Krock        ./minetest --server
14:07 Krock        2020-07-26 16:07:31: ACTION[Main]: World at [/SNIP/worlds/mtg/]
14:08 Talkless     `sudo sysdig "proc.name=minetestserver" 2>&1 | fgrep .minetest | tee /tmp/sysdig` gives me:
14:08 Talkless     https://paste.debian.net/1157845/
14:09 Krock        ./minetest --server --config ../minetestt.conf   << works too
14:10 Talkless     Krock: you mean map_dir works?
14:10 Krock        "map-dir" works
14:10 Krock        presumably the only minetest.conf setting that contains a dash
14:11 Talkless     ihm
14:11 Talkless     uhm
14:12 Talkless     Krock: it get EACCESS: 286877 17:12:01.611858382 1 minetestserver (29440) < mkdir res=-13(EACCES) path=aftermath(/aftermath)
14:12 Talkless     it tries from root...
14:12 Talkless     if map-dir = aftermath
14:12 Krock        what if it's an absolute path?
14:21 Talkless     Thans Krock for the help!
14:38 Krock        !next
14:38 MinetestBot  Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:11 Astrobe      250+ players in the top 5 servers alone, not bad.
15:33 fossrox      how changes through player:set_bone_position() influence attached objects?
15:34 fossrox      is it needed to recalculate something?
15:57 tyler-2      I can't figure out how to use giveme... how would you do /giveme in mineclone and get a sadle?
15:57 tyler-2      saddle
16:00 Astrobe      I guess /giveme mobs:saddle
16:08 balirt       I have a question regarding engine coding.
16:08 balirt       Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6cee1745914327f908316eced3acff30/pasted.txt
16:09 balirt       since it's  bit longer, I uploaded it as a .txt
16:16 Krock        ...overload the function?
16:29 balirt       if I wanted that, I could rather than overload the class constructor, instead just rewrite the class... however i'm trying to avoid rewriting that class since every additional change increases the chance of the pull request to be rejected
16:30 balirt       I have to either not change anything at all, rewrite the HUD_elem class, or find a way to pass several variables in one of its strings
16:30 balirt       and i'm debating which is less worse from the view of a codeDev
16:31 balirt       coreDev*
16:39 Astrobe      Everytime I saw strings abused that way it eventually led to problems - except in TCL maybe.
16:40 Astrobe      Just because a window is broken, doesn't mean you can break another one. Just do the right thing if your dev is worth its salt.
16:42 Krock        balirt: hard to tell. I cannot judge concepts well without seeing some code
16:42 Krock        or even - the final goal
16:43 Krock        after all inheritance is also possible, and might solve some of your problems
16:43 balirt       goal: to make the HUD in minetest able to play animated images just like the animated_image formspec element
16:44 balirt       problem: I need to pass minimum 3 new s32 variables and the only unused field in my HUD_elem class is a single string field
16:45 Krock        make a new field
16:45 balirt       other HUD_elem classes also misuse unused string fields, such as the waypoints element
16:45 balirt       so I was trying to be as similar as possible to existing accepted code
16:45 balirt       I guess in this case, rewriting the class with new fields is the better approach
16:46 balirt       since the other "mis-uses" only use a string to store a string
16:46 Krock        you don't need to rewrite that much. replace driver-> calls to draw images to a function that handles animations
16:46 Krock        ..which then calls to the render function
16:48 balirt       that would work if I had a single standard way of doing it, and modders can only call this way with their HUD element fields
16:49 balirt       I wanted to make possible the other functions of the animated_Image formspec field, such as: set speed of animation, set animation start frame, set height of animation frame
16:49 balirt       and make all those available to mods that call a normal HUD element in lua
16:50 balirt       but the HUD element has so few arguments I can pass through q_q
16:51 balirt       I didn't want to make it worse than the formspec thing, but I don't have enough fields to pass the variables through
16:53 balirt       of course one can always say "default height of HUD animation is always 100 pixels, and framerate is always 15, deal with it", then I don't need to pass these through with the hud_elem
16:53 Krock        HUDs could have better parsing anyway.  structs inside an union, and per-element reading from network
16:53 Krock        instead of everything being a single huge blob
16:54 Krock        of random named variables and usages
16:54 balirt       it would make sense to do that, which is already the way formspecs do it (sort of)
16:54 balirt       however, then there is the argument whether it would be better long-term to make HUD a special part of formspecs anyway
16:55 balirt       which would break everything, and requires everyone to be satisfied with current formspecs
16:55 balirt       another can of worms...
16:56 Krock        I had the ActiveObject command message handling in mind, but formspec is also a bit into this direction
16:56 Krock        content_cao.cpp L1553, for example
17:03 balirt       I hadn't looked at that. Yes, seems even more general. However, I think it's a bit overkill for the HUD unless you want to really render anything in game, also in the HUD
17:03 balirt       formspecs are very limited, but in a way that makes sense for HUD elements as well unless you want to render half the game on the HUD
17:22 tyler-2      Astrobe: cannot give unknown item. :-/ thanks for the attempt!
17:25 Krock        hmm.. yet no search features on gitea
17:26 Krock        tyler-2: https://git.minetest.land/Wuzzy/MineClone2/src/branch/master/mods/ENTITIES/mobs_mc/1_items_default.lua#L254-L263
17:26 Astrobe      Maybe mobs_horse:saddle then.
17:26 Krock        /giveme mobs:saddle
17:28 tyler-2      That was tried. :-) /giveme mobs_horse:saddle ain't it eitger
17:28 tyler-2      Nor mobs_mc:saddle
17:29 Krock        grep -r "saddle"
17:29 Krock        that'll find it inside your mineclone2 directory
17:29 Corey[m]     Would be nice if there was a /lsitems mod:* command or something
17:29 tyler-2      I'm probably just gonna go looking at player inventory in the db, oof
17:30 Krock        if you have one in your inventory, turn on the item name setting in minetest.conf
17:30 Krock        > tooltip_append_itemname = true
17:32 Astrobe      or a /giveme "saddle" and MT does the popular "did you mean game..."
17:32 Astrobe      GCC does it after all...
17:34 Krock        google too
17:35 tyler-2      Tried to google and got nothing. Will try those others.
17:35 Astrobe      Is it an argument against the idea? ;-)
17:37 Corey[m]     hmm saddle eh, lemme see if I'll fair better with a grep for you tyler-2
17:39 Corey[m]     tyler-2: try mcl_mobitems:saddle
17:40 Astrobe      I see. It was translated in German :-)
17:48 tyler-2      That did it! Thanks Corey[m] and others who tried!
17:49 Corey[m]     You're welcome :)
20:18 Andrey01     Hello
20:19 Andrey01     Does anybody know are there any Irrlicht Q&A forums or IRC channel?
20:20 Andrey01     stackexchange.com like doesn`t have similar one
21:31 _Zaizen_     Hi everyone, does anyone know how to remove from the object itself in an oop where I have table to remove after setting the value at nil. Doing self = nil doesn't work, does anyone have an idea on how to do that?
21:32 _Zaizen_     I have a situation similar to this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38274561/remove-self-in-lua but I do not want to index by the object.
21:34 sfan5        keep the key you need inside the object then you can set it to nil correctly
21:36 _Zaizen_     So if I remove the key the whole "object" would be gone?
21:37 sfan5        define "gone"
21:38 _Zaizen_     Not present in the table.
21:46 sfan5        if you do object_table[key] = nil the object will be gone yes
21:52 _Zaizen_     Thank you sfan5, I will try that way.
23:17 blaise       what is the minetest mod with the trains?
23:17 sfan5        !mod advtrains
23:17 MinetestBot  sfan5: Advanced Trains [advtrains] by orwell - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14726 - https://github.com/h-v-smacker/advtrains_granite
23:17 blaise       Yass, thank you
23:17 blaise       :D