Time  Nick          Message
09:11 oil_boi       direct3d9 completely locks me out of the game unless I wipe the conf file of that setting
09:12 oil_boi       but d38 works, wat
11:36 oil_boi       sfan5, I just found an optimization, inside an optimization, inside an optimization
11:38 oil_boi       bumped the redstone power level up to 16 states and this new method is faster, with 20 torches and massive debug output of everything that every torch is indexing over a 16x32x16 area than one torch was calculating with no terminal output
11:42 oil_boi       Holy crap there was so much debug output it stack overflowed dump()
11:53 sfan5         ?
12:34 oil_boi       sfan5, 0 lag https://i.imgur.com/wpu57SQ.png
12:34 oil_boi       This is just insane
18:32 Corey[m]1     has anyone every attempted to remove 'default' from their mod's depedency before, it's like a horror experience, when you realize how many little spots it exists in
18:35 rubenwardy    I hate default
18:38 Corey[m]1     I'll let you know how badly it goes shortly, I need to replace the sounds first...
18:43 MinetestBot   Wuzzy: Jun-30 03:41 UTC <oil_boi> I think it's almost time you can put redstone into mc2
18:43 MinetestBot   Wuzzy: Jun-30 03:41 UTC <oil_boi> referring to "how feasible would it be to cannibalize this and put it into mc2?" in the forum a few months ago
19:02 Corey[m]1     um... why is LIGHT_MAX in default, isn't that more of an engine thing?
19:04 oil_boi       Why yes, I have tried to remove default from my mod dependencies
19:05 oil_boi       I dunno why that made me laugh so hard
19:06 rubenwardy    it's an alias to not break mods, Corey[m]1
19:06 rubenwardy    it is also in the engine
19:06 Corey[m]1     Well I have the source of everything on hand, so I can always verify, core does indeed have LIGHT_MAX
19:06 Corey[m]1     but from what I gather, we shouldn't ever be referencing core. in mods
19:07 rubenwardy    minetest.LIGHT_MAX
19:07 rubenwardy    default has the following line:    `default.LIGHT_MAX = minetest.LIGHT_MAX`
19:07 rubenwardy    and minetest builtin has the following line:  `minetest = core`
19:07 Corey[m]1     strange, the copy I have here says `default.LIGHT_MAX = 14` not the minetest reference
19:07 rubenwardy    oh, that's silly
19:08 Corey[m]1     mods/default/init.lua
19:08 Corey[m]1     12:default.LIGHT_MAX = 14
19:08 Corey[m]1     yep
19:48 search_social Hi, I just git cloned the latest worldedit and am getting this error on //1: worldedit.marker1[name]:get_luaentity()
19:48 search_social is nil
19:49 search_social 2020-06-21 21:03:54: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'worldedit_commands' in callback item_OnUse(): ...52.git/bin/../mods/worldedit/worldedit_commands/mark.lua:23: attempt to index a nil value
19:49 Zughy         970 issues, ouch
19:49 search_social 2020-06-21 21:03:54: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
19:49 search_social 2020-06-21 21:03:54: ERROR[Main]:       ...52.git/bin/../mods/worldedit/worldedit_commands/mark.lua:23: in function 'mark_pos1'
19:49 search_social 2020-06-21 21:03:54: ERROR[Main]:       ...52.git/bin/../mods/worldedit/worldedit_commands/wand.lua:23: in function <...52.git/bin/../mods/worldedit/worldedit_commands/wand.lua:17>
19:49 sfan5         uh
19:49 sfan5         maybe use a pastebin for the error message next time
19:49 search_social sorry
19:51 oil_boi       yes and add emojis to it
19:51 sfan5         unless the entity mysteriously disappears I don't see how that error could happen
19:51 sfan5         is it reproducible?
19:52 search_social yes it happens anytime i use //1 .. i'm wondering if it's because of old data from the previous worldedit
19:52 oil_boi       Why not add if not thing:get_luaentity() return end
19:52 sfan5         old data?
19:52 Krock         oil_boi: "marker1[name]" is nil, not the value of get_luaentity
19:53 search_social i guess it could be some other mod like regional climate doing something
19:53 oil_boi       Wait no that's recursive problem if not thing[table] or (thing[table] and not thing[table]:get_luaentity()) then return end
19:53 sfan5         Krock: the error message doesn't indicate that does it?
19:53 oil_boi       It does
19:53 search_social i verified with print statements that worldedit.marker1[name] = userdata: 0x42ac4f00
19:54 oil_boi       Are you exceeding the loaded area/area unloading despawning entity?
19:54 search_social well the server just started after the last crash and i haven't issued any command except //1
19:54 oil_boi       Ah yes a table index check and table index if luaentity check would stop that from crashing
19:55 sfan5         search_social: add some debug output for  orldedit.marker1[name]:get_luaentity() please
19:55 oil_boi       But might cause undefined behavior
19:55 Krock         sfan5: I don't know about "//1" but "//1: worldedit.marker1[name]:get_luaentity()" looked to me like the code that caused the error later on
19:56 search_social sfan5: well i tried print(type(worldedit.marker1[name]:get_luaentity()) and it said mark.lua:36: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected)
19:56 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome
19:56 Krock         since 5.3.0-dev there's no undefined entity behaviour
19:56 search_social oh yeah i'm running 5.2.0 so i need to run 5.3.0?
19:56 Krock         it's a bug when using the latest stable, so I suppose it should be fixed somehow, even if it works in 5.3.0-dev
19:56 sfan5         search_social: type(nil) is valid so no idea about that
19:57 oil_boi       undefined behavior in the calculations that are stated between these two entities hm hm hm hm
19:57 sfan5         I haven't heard any reports that worldedit is broken in 5.2 either
19:57 oil_boi       aka crashing boi
19:57 Krock         > if (co == NULL) return 0;
19:57 Krock         0 returned arguments when the objcet cannot be found
19:57 Krock         though that should return "nil"? dunno
19:58 sfan5         so return 0; isn't equivalent to returning nil after all?
19:58 sfan5         search_social: try print(type((worldedit.marker1[name]:get_luaentity())))
19:58 sfan5         with exactly those parenthesis
19:58 Krock         I mean there's lua_isnone  but I don't know when this applies
19:58 oil_boi       Could the table be creating the data before it's instated into the core.registered_entities on a really slow computer?
19:59 sfan5         no it all happens sequentially on a single thread
19:59 oil_boi       Then I'll be ducked, gotta add an exception to the code incase of failure of creation lua entity/instant deletion/something destroying table data randomly
20:00 sfan5         the weird thing is that the entity reference is being created correctly but the reference is invalid
20:00 sfan5         could be a 5.2 specific bug after all
20:00 oil_boi       Why not base the positional data off an internal memory map as to not rely on something that could possibly despawn and handle between those two points regardless of the entity existing?
20:01 search_social (worldedit.marker1[name]:get_luaentity()) --- print(type()) this is nil and print() this is nil too
20:01 sfan5         that's what it does, the entities are just for display
20:02 oil_boi       I dunno then man just make the position explode if the entity isn't found
20:04 sfan5         search_social: which mods are you running?
20:06 search_social a lot of ones from content db the one that seemed most likely to cnoflict was something was the regional weather one
20:06 search_social the old worldedit mod that wasn't crashing i see the mark function doesn't have a "region_too" paramater
20:07 search_social or an "init_sentinel"
20:08 sfan5         well idk
20:08 sfan5         you can comment out call code inside on_active (3 functions total) and it should work
20:08 sfan5         on_activate*
20:11 search_social okay that made it work thanks!!!!!
20:38 oil_boi       I did not expect that solution
20:45 Guest53785    Hello
20:49 Guest53785    My minetest can't fetch content DB and server list
20:49 rubenwardy    OS?
20:49 Guest53785    Linux mint
20:50 Guest53785    Linux Mint 19.3
20:51 Guest53785    The terminal output this:
20:51 Guest53785    2020-07-01 17:50:46: ERROR[Main]: https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&type=game&type=txp&protocol_version=39&hide=nonfree&hide=desktop_default not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 0)
20:51 Guest53785    but when I put this url in firefox browser I cant get the json perfectly
20:53 rubenwardy    you can try increasing the curl timeout, but it should already be at 30 seconds
20:54 rubenwardy    what happens if you try again? It might be cached now
20:54 Guest53785    The same happens
20:54 Guest53785    I'll try to increase timeout
20:57 Guest53785    This is my config: https://imgur.com/SAdflg5
20:59 Guest53785    Men, it's works!
20:59 rubenwardy    what timeout did you need?
20:59 Guest53785    I just increase timeout
20:59 Guest53785    30 000
20:59 rubenwardy    I'm surprised it takes longer than 30 seconds
21:00 Guest53785    My network has currently 3Mbps
21:02 Guest53785    Thanks
21:09 Guest53785    How can I help improve minetest menu. I've some programming knowledge
21:10 rubenwardy    at this point, we're waiting on UX design
21:12 rubenwardy    see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6733
21:13 Guest53785    I've already see this issue and would like to implement tacotexmex menu
21:14 rubenwardy    see my comment there
21:16 Guest53785    Great, I see
21:17 rubenwardy    I suppose you could merge the two designs, with a new GUI system
21:17 rubenwardy    just merging designs probably won't work well
21:18 Guest53785    So what I do?
21:32 Guest53785    Did you know a youtube channel that have good minetest survival videos?
21:34 rubenwardy    I don't, but here's a topic with videos: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8499
21:34 rubenwardy    also checkout   https://www.youtube.com/user/313hummer/videos
21:41 hisforever    Hi I just reinstalled Manjaro Linux os on Laptop. I installed minetest. In Home folder there is No .minetest folder. Should I put the .mintest in my home Folder so I can put my mod folder there ?
21:42 Guest53785    Did you started minetest for the first time?
21:42 Guest53785    When you create a world the .minetest should be created, I think
21:43 Guest53785    If not created
21:43 hisforever    yes I actually have installed Mods in minetest itself
21:43 hisforever    I thought that myself
21:44 Guest53785    How do you install minetest?
21:44 Guest53785    Did you use flatpak?
21:44 hisforever    through terminal with sudo pacman -S minetest
21:45 hisforever    I think it was throught
21:45 hisforever    flat pack
21:46 hisforever    I'll just unstall minetest then reinstall
21:46 hisforever    brb
21:46 admicos       pacman is the native package manager of arch-based distros, flatpak is a seperate thing
21:47 admicos       just letting you know
21:47 rubenwardy    if you run minetest at least once, it'll create ~/.minetest
21:47 rubenwardy    you may need to create a world or something first
21:47 rubenwardy    note that the dot means it is hidden
21:47 hisforever    yes I know that, thats why I'm unstalling then reinstalling
21:48 hisforever    I also know that .minetest is hidden
21:48 hisforever    brb
21:50 Lone_Wolf     @Guest53785, there are a few streamers on Twitch too
21:50 rubenwardy    hm
21:52 Guest53785    Open a new terminal and type "ls ~/.minetest"
21:52 Guest53785    What is the output?
21:53 Guest53785    Type without the commas
21:56 hisforever    ok I just installed mt 5.2.0 and everything looks great thanks for the help
21:56 Zughy         hisforever: can't you just install it via the official application manager? I have Minetest on a Manjaro too and it perfectly works
21:56 Zughy         oh, too late
21:57 hisforever    Zughy thats the way I did it this time
21:58 hisforever    lol
21:59 hisforever    ok your a great bunch thanks again see you soon
22:12 Zughy         does this work for human beings too?
22:12 Zughy         !next
22:12 MinetestBot   Another satisfied customer. Next!
22:12 Zughy         YES (*normal human beings)
22:48 Zughy         so hey guys, how's going with the 5.3?
22:53 sfan5         left issues: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/milestone/16
23:05 Zughy         it was more some sort of "tell me about it", with people crying, screaming, walking on the ceiling and such
23:06 sfan5         well #10113 is potentially a huge issue or maybe not an issue at all
23:06 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10113 -- Severe performance degradation in 5.3 compared to 5.2
23:06 sfan5         but nobody really knows
23:06 sfan5         and I can't be bothered to try this out either
23:09 Zughy         yeah, that doesn't seem funny at all to track down
23:11 Morphyx       Hi
23:12 Zughy         heyo
23:13 Morphyx       I was borred and come to talk a bit
23:29 appguru       going through https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed+performance rn
23:41 Corey[m]1     There are texture packs, but, are there sound packs for minetest?