Time Nick Message 00:54 oil_boi_ sfan5: Hopefully that video I posted in the comments of the Github Collision Detection issue will help with the debugging of the new issue 00:55 oil_boi_ I'm honestly not sure how I could help with it any further 01:08 oil_boi_ I cannot figure out how to disable the fast-math flag as I cannot find the documentation on it :( 01:16 nissiel hello 01:21 Lapis_Wolf I am a dedicated player of Minetest and have been for many years,at minimum since 0.4.14-16(it's been a while so I can't remember the exact version. Now,I wish to report what I believe may be a bug in 5.2.0 and possibly from earlier 5.x versions. Is this the chat where I report bugs?? 01:23 ANAND MT's official issue tracker is on GH: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues 01:23 ANAND But if you're unable to file a bug report on GH, I think it's perfectly alright to report it here 01:24 Lapis_Wolf Thank you very much. Btw, I love everything that has been done with the game over the years, you all are amazing people! :D 01:26 ANAND I hope I'm not included in the "you all are amazing people!" :P 01:28 ANAND I'm assuming you're referring to the devs when you say that 01:30 oil_boi_ Everyone that positively improves minetest as a whole engine or game wise is a good person 01:30 oil_boi_ Also ANAND I'm very curious, what is the issue? 01:31 ANAND oil_boi_: What issue? 01:34 Lapis_Wolf You all applies to devs,mod makers,game makers, texture creators,players,etc who help with the game. 01:37 oil_boi_ Oops wrong person sorry ANAND, Lapis_Wolf what was the issue? 01:38 ANAND Ah ok :) 01:45 Lapis_Wolf I noticed that when I have damage disabled in any world, mobs will still come up, attack and damage/kill me while there is no healthbar at the bottam 01:52 ANAND Weird 02:06 oil_boi_ Sounds like the mobs mod is decreasing a nonexistant value then running the kill function 02:17 ANAND Lapis_Wolf: Did you try updating your mod? There might be newer versions of the mod released to fix this bug. 02:17 Lapis_Wolf it happened with the not so simple mobs mod and all other mobs mods i have 02:34 Lapis_Wolf found the best spawn point ever,it's literally all ocean,no land exists... 03:14 oil_boi_ minetestbot 03:14 oil_boi_ @minetestbot 03:14 oil_boi_ minetestbot help 03:14 oil_boi_ :( 04:58 Ruslan1 I tried to login to minetest forums and it said You exceeded the maximum allowed number of login attempts. In addition to your username and password you now also have to solve the CAPTCHA below. 06:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Verify database connection on interval (#9665) 135c588f8 https://git.io/JfvsX (152020-04-15T06:01:11Z) 06:03 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix parsing JSON with large integers (#9674) 138ae8c16 https://git.io/JfvsF (152020-04-15T06:01:28Z) 11:15 Daisae How can one identify unknown items in inventory or the world? Such as to see their item string. 11:18 sfan5 tooltip_append_itemname = true probably does what you need 11:28 Daisae Yes, thanks. 12:14 tf2ftw is there a setting to control swing speed? 12:25 lmat Lapis_Wolf: Are you saying that animals inflict damage when damage is disabled? And this is a bug? 12:26 lmat tf2ftw: What is swing? 12:26 tf2ftw "fist" 12:27 tf2ftw lmat, the speed in which a tool or fist is moving 13:02 calcul0n tf2ftw, maybe with full_punch_interval in tool_capabilities, not sure what it does 13:23 Daisae Krock: Last June p_gimeno made a patch to make placed leaves decay. You were talking about it with us also. SmallJoker made a patch to accomodate some needed override. 13:23 Daisae Now using that as a module causes an error : attempt to index global 'default' (a nil value) 13:23 Daisae https://notabug.org/pgimeno/Gists/raw/minetest--mod-force-leaf-decay/init.lua 13:24 Daisae Do you know, off-hand what the problem is? there was a function addressing default.after_place_leaves . I guess it is related to that. 13:27 orbea Daisae: you have the full error message? 13:28 orbea complete with line numbers? what MTG version? 13:28 ANAND Daisae: The error message seems to hint that the `default` table itself seems to be missing. Have you added `default` as a dependency to your mod? 13:29 Daisae ModError: Failed to load and run script from ~/.minetest/mods/decay/init.lua: 13:29 Daisae ~/.minetest/mods/decay/init.lua:19: attempt to index global 'default' (a nil value) 13:29 Daisae stack traceback: ~/.minetest/mods/decay/init.lua:19: in main chunk 13:29 Daisae That is all. 13:29 Daisae It has no dependency file. That is needed? 13:29 ANAND Daisae: Try adding the following to the mod's mod.conf `depends = default` 13:29 ANAND Yes 13:30 ANAND If the file doesn't exist, simply create one 13:30 ANAND See https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L163 13:34 Daisae That got rid of the error message. I'm testing it now. 13:38 Daisae it works 13:47 Ruslan1 I tried to login to minetest forums and it said You exceeded the maximum allowed number of login attempts. In addition to your username and password you now also have to solve the CAPTCHA below. 13:48 sfan5 and? 13:51 Ruslan1 I can’t login 13:52 sfan5 and did you solve the captcha? 13:53 Ruslan1 Yes 13:53 Ruslan1 It did keep going 13:57 Ruslan1 sfan5 it did keep going 13:58 sfan5 well no idea then 14:00 Ruslan1 sfan5: can you try login my account 14:01 sfan5 login attempts are probably per IP address, so that will work 14:04 Ruslan1 sfan5: ok it still says You exceeded the maximum allowed number of login attempts. In addition to your username and password you now also have to solve the CAPTCHA below. 14:08 Ruslan1 sfan5: can you please let owner know about my account 14:09 sfan5 there is no problem with your account 14:09 sfan5 and I have no idea what I can do to fix the captcha for you 14:11 Ruslan1 sfan5: yes 14:18 Ruslan1 Should I make new account? 14:18 sfan5 if you wait a while you should be able to log in again 14:20 Ruslan1 Are you fixing it 14:29 MinetestBot 02[git] 04MoNTE48 -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: add Android Studio support, completely redone java part (#9066) 1362ae7ad https://git.io/Jfvw1 (152020-04-15T14:27:40Z) 14:30 Ruslan1 sfan5: if I fail to login then I cannot login anymore 14:31 sfan5 yes I know what your problem is 14:31 sfan5 try waiting a day 14:31 Ruslan1 How much days 14:33 Ruslan1 sfan5: how many days 14:33 sfan5 one 14:33 Henson is there a way to change a players name on a server, specifically the name that appears over their head? 14:34 ANAND Henson: You'll need a mod to do that. 14:35 ANAND See https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5895 for the API function to be used 14:35 Ruslan1 sfan5: I still have login attempts 14:43 Henson ANAND: thank you. Do you know much about minetest internals? 14:52 ANAND Not too much I'm afraid. But I can manage to find my way around. :) 15:20 Telesight Hello all ... 15:21 Telesight Why is it that my Minetest client uses my CPU at 100% ? 15:26 sfan5 in which situation? 15:27 Telesight Always ... after 1 or 2 minutes after starting Minetest 15:33 Telesight This use of 100% of a CPU makes fanless laptops shutdown after 10 minutes playing Minetest 15:33 texmex Telesight: macOS user? Performance absolutely sucks on that platform. 15:34 Telesight No, I am a full Ubuntu server ;-) 15:35 sfan5 100% of a single thread? or multiple? do you still reach 60 FPS when that happens? 15:38 Telesight I have 12 processors in my systemmonitor, and the load of 100% is changed to another thread after 30 seconds or so. But a small laptop gets overheated and shuts down. 15:38 Telesight My player stands still in the game, no moving ... 15:40 Telesight fps is 58 15:40 sfan5 hm then it's probably not busy doing anything useful 15:40 sfan5 any special settings in your minetest.conf? 15:42 Telesight WEll, let me see .. 15:46 Noclip Could it be related to any mod that you are using which has for example a bug and no goes crazy? 15:48 Telesight Noclip then it would be server dependend ? 15:51 Noclip Does this happen in multi- or singleplayer? 15:51 Noclip (Or in other words: Is the server running on the same machine?) 15:53 Telesight No, the client is connected to one of these idiotic *** by Telesight servers 15:54 Ingar what kind of CPU ? 15:55 Telesight Intel® Core™ i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz × 12 15:57 Ingar it's all them bug mitigations eating ur CPU :p 15:58 Noclip Telesight: I would try the following: Restart Minetest with a 100% clean minetest.conf file and then create and join a new Minetest Game world without any additional mods. If then the issue still occures we know that it's not caused by your minetest.conf or any mods. Also telling us your Minetest version might help. 15:58 Ingar and, imho, if your PC dies with a single process doing 100% : RMA it 16:00 Telesight Noclip: an empty minetest.conf ? 16:01 Telesight Client version 5.0.1 16:03 Noclip `/mv ~/.minetest/minetest.conf ~/.minetest/minetest.conf.bak` 16:05 Noclip Do that and then start Minetest again. It should then create a new minetest.conf. 16:24 Telesight Ok, new minetest.conf, new local world, no mods: CPU's are now on max 40% 16:41 Telesight When I fly CPU goes over 80% 16:43 sfan5 it's generating the map so that doesn't sound entirely unexpected 16:44 Telesight Player stands still now, and stil CPU over 80% 16:47 Krock definitely not normal. my E8500 doesn't even each 40% when flying 16:47 Noclip I'm currently standing still in a MineClone 2 world and I'm also at around 40% CPU usage. 16:47 Krock also how is your CPU usage at 80% if Minetest only makes use of one core, i.e. 1/6th? 16:48 Krock Telesight: what does htop/taskmanager tell you? 16:48 sfan5 standing idle, 60 FPS is about ~55% on one core here 16:49 Telesight htop: Minetest 76% 16:49 Krock since which client version? 16:50 Krock does 5.3.0-dev solve your problems? 16:50 Krock bad GPU driver? 16:51 Telesight I see this since a few months, so after 5.0 16:52 Krock 5.1.0 you mean? 16:52 Krock 5.0 is already out for a long time 16:52 Telesight Cleint 5.0.1 16:52 Noclip One of my 4 threads is often at 100% but it's changing very quickly. Overall still 40% to 50%. Also Minetest isn't the only programm running right now. 16:52 Krock Telesight: so what about 5.3.0-dev? 16:53 Krock try/error until the problem's found 16:53 Telesight I compiled the client 5.3.0.dev but it gave 100% CPU use too 16:53 Krock with some luck it fixes itself by a software update 16:54 Krock and it wasn't a problem with - say - 0.4.17.1 ? 16:54 Krock or rather: still isn't 16:54 orbea Telesight: git bisect :) 16:55 Telesight hmmm I have not checked that at that time, but is on 3 different laptops now 16:55 Telesight So it is not laptop dependent 16:56 Noclip Telesight: Was 76% the average cpu usage or the usage of one core / thread? 16:57 Krock anything else is not possible. Minetest cannot use more than one core 16:57 Telesight 1 thread and after a minute or so the next tthread gets te load 17:01 Noclip As I've said, one of my threads was often at 100% but it was always just one (as Krock said it can't use more) and it changed at least as fast as htop updated it. Maybe that's just normal?! 17:03 Noclip Telesight: Was one of those laptops a gaming laptop with a good graphics card (supported by appropriate drivers)? 17:06 Telesight I do have a good machine with an nVidia card that gives problems with Ubuntu, so I use the Intel GPU 17:08 Noclip So the NVidia card is completely unused? Can you give us more information about the Intel GPU? 17:11 Telesight Yep, I always had problems with those nVidia cards on other laptops, never solved the problem .. 17:11 Telesight Intel® UHD Graphics 630 (Coffeelake 3x8 GT2) 17:37 pipo Hi Telesight ... thought it was in the minetest.dev channel :) 17:38 Telesight No I never enter that ;-) 17:39 Telesight pipo; What is your CPU usage for Minetest? 17:40 pipo hmmm ... just logged out ... moment ... 17:41 pipo Telesight: 10-12 percent on NAIB 17:41 pipo Telesight: while i am alone on it and not moving 17:42 Noclip I've closed all major programms, started Minetest (5.2.0) with a new minetest.conf file and created a new Minetest Game world. While standing still one of my threads also had around 40% usage. While flying around it was between 60% and 80% and after increasing the few distance to 600 (still flying) it was between 80% and 100%. 17:42 Telesight Noclip: looks likes my results ... 17:43 pipo Telesight: if i start moving ... depending on the environment ... 25 percent on NAIB 17:45 pipo not moving ... viewing range reduced to 40 ---- 6 percent 17:45 Noclip After flying a while I activated unlimited viewing range and looked back at all the generated terrain. The cpu thread in use now keept at 100% and my fps dropped to just 7. 17:46 pipo same place, still not moving ... viewing range set to 100 --- 18 percent 17:46 pipo with HexChat and 3 terminal open at the same time 17:48 pipo what i saw ... it depends on the map area you are in ... if i am in/above dense jungle wood areas ... RAM usage and CPU usages goes up 17:49 DS-minetest disable fancy leaves for faster jungles 17:50 Telesight Go, hoover above water that will do something ... 17:50 Noclip However my laptop's cpu temperature seemed to be stable at around 70°C which is still far under the critical temperature (100°C) so it's not really problem for me. Interestingly at the same time also the other cpu threads seemed to get up to around 40% to 60%. 17:51 Telesight This behavior kills cheaper fanless laptops 17:51 Noclip pipo: Jungle can really be a pain for performance ... 17:53 pipo switched on noclip, fly, viewing range > 400 AND unlimited viering range ... it still stays below 50 percent CPU, but RAM fills up quickly now ... and fans start running 17:55 Telesight Same server, for me it is above 80% CPU 17:55 Noclip My laptop was very cheap but I bought it as used and it's already very old. When it was new it was very expensive. Luckilly it has a fan. It's also definitely not a gaming device, it doesn't even have a graphics card ... 17:55 pipo this area has a lot of water in it ... maybe that makes a difference? 17:56 * DS-minetest was using a viewing range of 5 with his old pc; foggy wielded items 17:56 Noclip I think it really depends on the power of the computer and not on minetest ... 17:57 Telesight My view always been at 4000 ... on every server 18:02 pipo Telesight: that's a normal client machine, you are not playing on directly on the server which holds the complete map? 18:03 Telesight Yes with a normal client connected to a server 18:03 DS-minetest it's no wonder that you've got bad performance when you always play minetest with such a high viewing range :P 18:04 DS-minetest just turn it down 18:04 Telesight I have to watch all those little griefers with my sharp eyes ... 18:04 DS-minetest ¿ 18:05 Telesight And I do this for 5 years or so ... 18:06 DS-minetest you could connect with multiple clients and attach those to the players you want to watch 18:07 pipo still on NAIB ... CPU usage below 10 percent ... but /spawn or /home sooems to MOVE me, but the map does not render! 18:07 pipo *seems 18:08 Telesight SkyWars has 60% CPU and 66 players ... so it seems not a server problem ... 18:11 * pipo is just below Telesight on NAIB now .. 28 percent CPU ... 18:40 Lapis_Wolf that explains why his/her name is Telesight 18:41 DS-minetest new mod: https://github.com/Desour/random_horse 18:42 Telesight Lapis what explains what? 18:42 pipo lol 18:42 Lone_Wolf waitwat lol 18:43 Lone_Wolf That mod looks like it'd be fun in singleplayer 18:43 Lone_Wolf *multiplayer 18:43 Lone_Wolf Autotype is weird today 18:44 DS-minetest mod only works in multiplayer 18:44 DS-minetest one can't ride themselves 19:05 adfeno Hi, how to monitor which things in a server are causing lag? 19:06 Krock missing sit animation, DS-minetest 19:06 sfan5 the profiler 19:06 Krock there are multiple profilers actually 19:06 Krock the mod profiler is probably the one you need 19:07 Noclip Telesight: I think he means that watching "all those little griefers with [your] sharp eyes" explains you name "Telesight": You have such a good sight as if you would use a telescope. 19:08 adfeno Krock: Was the "mod profiler" suggestion to me? 19:08 Krock # profiler.load = false 19:08 Krock see minetest.conf.example 19:08 Telesight Noclip You are very close ... 19:09 Krock you can run the chat command in-game to get a mod execution time report 19:09 Krock (the chat command = "/profiler save FORMAT") 19:10 Andrey01 hello, I have a problem: I run minetest-5.2.0-dev-2907c0f3 build and after I had installed the stable 5.2.0 (other minetest) and wanted to run again that unstable, the maps of ALL my current worlds were re-generated! I`m confused why? 19:11 Krock don't run two instances in parallel 19:12 Lapis_Wolf @Telesight your view range of 4km(4000 blocks=4000m) 19:13 Andrey01 Krock: but why can I not run two minetests simultaneously? 19:13 * pipo is off ...bye everyone 19:13 Krock Andrey01: not on the same map. one will overwrite the other 19:13 Krock or corrupt the map 19:13 Krock Lapis_Wolf: blocks are 16³ 19:14 Telesight Lapis, In reality I prefer lightyears ... 19:14 Lapis_Wolf also,dies anybody know the name of the texture pack that is commonly used in peoples' survival series on YouTube with the hexa or pentagonal textures? 19:14 Lapis_Wolf @Krock 16? 19:15 Andrey01 Krock: can I roll back anyhow the previous map state? 19:15 Noclip So you just tried all maps after each other, knowing that they would get destroyed as soon as you enter them? 19:15 Noclip I backuped my important worlds before updating to 5.2.0. Maybe you should do that to next time. If you compress your world files with 7zip they get much much smaller so you won't need a lot of storage space for those backups. 19:15 Krock mapblocks (blocks) are 16x16x16 nodes, thus 4000 blocks equal 64km, which is across the entire map 19:16 Krock ^ Lapis_Wolf 19:16 Krock Andrey01: backups, if you have any 19:16 Andrey01 oh, no 19:16 Krock Andrey01: I've also had this happen, but that's now four years ago.. it really wonders me why some people still get corrupt maps 19:17 Krock are you using sqlite3 as backend, or lebeldb, postgresql? 19:17 Lapis_Wolf dang! 64km!.. 19:17 Krock *leveldb 19:19 Andrey01 Krock: sqlite3 19:29 Andrey01 wait, as far as I recall, last time, when it was not corrupted yet, I couldn`t run on the same map simultaneously on two identical instances as it was singleplayer mode 19:34 Andrey01 and other strange thing: I made even few backups of that map, but they... also appeared corrupt 19:38 Noclip_ Krock, Lapis_Wolf: But the "viewing_range" setting (which Telesight was talking about) is measured in nodes so with 1 node being 1 meter long 4000 nodes equal 4km. Lapis_Wolf's calculation was correct he just used the wrong word. 19:38 Noclip_ Telesight: "You are very close ..." + "In reality I prefer lightyears ..."---> Are you eventually an astronomer? 19:45 Telesight Noclip Not many found that ;-) 19:45 Telesight Ok I think I solved the CPU usage ... 19:48 Noclip_ How? Reducing your viewing range? 19:49 Telesight I checked a lot of settings, but it seems the Max FPS that raises the CPU usage; 60 fps means around 100% CPU, 25 fps < 40% CPU usage 19:56 adfeno Krock: Thank you very much for the profiler hint 20:01 Telesight Ok thank you all for your mental support, I think I can make some players happy ... 20:26 DS-minetest shouldn't https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/bd64188ee566bc31c1cd50d63f0da3328d42ab51/mods/default/item_entity.lua#L73 be `setmetatable(item, {__index = builtin_item})`? 20:32 sfan5 there's an issue about it but nobody really knows 20:32 sfan5 is __index not required to be a function? 20:33 DS-minetest it can be a function or something that you can index, see http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.8 20:33 adfeno Is there a way to make the player entity emit light so as to mimic someone carrying a torch which lights their way? 20:34 DS-minetest (section "index") 20:34 DS-minetest adfeno: only nodes can emit light 20:35 DS-minetest with "emit" i mean here that other things are lit up by the light 20:35 argyle forum down? 20:35 sfan5 perhaps 20:35 sfan5 or rather "probably" 20:37 argyle I can't remember the setting that makes it so that you aren't half-way embedded in the floor 20:38 DS-minetest argyle: update your installed mods 20:38 argyle ok thanks 20:45 adfeno DS-minetest: I'm searching a way to improve a mod which aims to modify the default torch so that it becomes a tool and emits light at the same place as player. 20:46 adfeno It has a bug that if the player climbs a ladder, the torch is disabled and the player has to lit it again. 20:46 DS-minetest adfeno: such mods already exist (eg. technic's flashlight). afaik these mods replace air at the player's pos with an ivisible light source 20:46 DS-minetest try searching air nearby 22:12 freelikegnu I want a mob to add a plant to a node but minetest.find_node_near() and minetest.set_node() near dont seem to like working with air 22:13 sfan5 what do you mean? 22:14 freelikegnu I have the pos of a node I want to decorate at "value" https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/twkPWPGZCS/ 22:14 freelikegnu I'm probably doing this wrong 22:15 freelikegnu thanks sfan5 :D 22:15 sfan5 !api 22:15 MinetestBot Someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 22:15 sfan5 first, you should check if find_node_near actually returned anything 22:15 sfan5 since it can return nil 22:16 sfan5 it's also not called "default:air" but "air" 22:16 sfan5 and a radius of 1 if too small 22:16 sfan5 is* 22:17 freelikegnu I tried air but I will put it back.... so radius 2 is one node away from the value? 22:18 sfan5 I'm not totally sure about that, I'd start with 2 and see if that's too far 22:18 freelikegnu what does search center do? 22:20 sfan5 doesn't the documentation explain? 22:21 freelikegnu line 4637 "search_center` is an optional boolean (default: `false`)" 22:21 freelikegnu thats it 22:21 sfan5 and line 4638? 22:22 freelikegnu oh duh... very sorry 22:25 freelikegnu so from the output of minetest.find_node_near(value, 2, "air") I can use: if value ~= nil then 22:26 freelikegnu minetest.set_node? 22:29 sfan5 yes? 22:34 freelikegnu hmm seems I'm still comming up with "AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: "" is not a registered node!" 22:36 sfan5 how does your call to set_node look? 22:38 freelikegnu if value ~= nil then 22:38 freelikegnu minetest.set_node(value, {name = replace_with}) 22:38 freelikegnu end 22:38 sfan5 and replace_with is? 22:39 freelikegnu default:mossycobble 22:39 freelikegnu oop I mean goblins:mushroom_goblin 22:39 freelikegnu its basically the mushroom node 22:42 freelikegnu the awful mess I made: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m2QRNHzSt9/ 22:44 sfan5 are you absolutely sure replace_with is set to the value you want it to be set to? 22:44 sfan5 if in doubt, print() it too 22:46 freelikegnu well the code was working fine before I added the decorate option... also I'm assuming air must be in quotes? 22:46 sfan5 "air" not air yes 22:47 sfan5 when you leave the quotes off it turns into nil because air is just an undefined variable 22:47 sfan5 I think Minetest even warns you with its output 23:26 freelikegnu ok I got it working now... there was something else messed up in my file, many thanks for the help sfan5! 23:27 freelikegnu https://i.imgur.com/QF1ClOC.png 23:27 freelikegnu dang snow biomes... goblins were not happy :D 23:30 * Noclip sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MDvQIRXhlTkxrxipAqJMEFuq > 23:30 freelikegnu not sure whether its better to use firelike or torchlike for getting mushrooms on walls and ceiling...