Time  Nick             Message
06:31 Dis0             The forum is down?
06:33 Dis0             It's back nvm
16:29 twoelk           o/
16:30 Conradish006     o/
16:30 twoelk           psst  psst, it's oh so quite
16:30 Conradish006     Yeah
16:30 Conradish006     I know
17:25 Miniontoby       hello
17:25 Conradish006     Hello
17:31 twoelk           o/
17:31 twoelk           \o
17:31 garywhite        Hello
18:31 * twoelk         wanders of to play some minetest
18:45 Ingar            it's oh so still
18:47 SwissalpS        that is a good sign Ingar, things are working :)
18:48 Ingar            SwissalpS: it's actually a reply to twoelk's oh so still ;)
18:49 twoelk           Shh shh
18:49 twoelk           You're all alone
18:50 twoelk           Shh shh
18:50 Ingar            I just discovered Betty Hutton's version
18:50 twoelk           And so peaceful until
18:51 twoelk           yep quite old it is ...  and Betty Hutton was quite an entertainer
18:51 Ingar            apparently that's not the original either
18:54 twoelk           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Oh_So_Quiet
18:54 twoelk           Und jetzt ist es still
18:55 Ingar            I don't like the original that much though ;)
18:57 twoelk           other times other styles
18:58 twoelk           though once you heard Björks version everything else fades away :D
18:59 Ingar            need to copy Post to my phone again
19:34 jonadab          Hmm.  What are the odds either boat or minecart performance will some day get to the point where you can spend more time going forward than backward?
19:58 Krock            jonadab: the minecart will always drive forward
19:59 Krock            unless you count that 1% of the cases where it's too slow uphill, and begins to turn
20:03 VanessaE         like I ran into a few times when building a roller coaster :)_
20:07 jonadab          Krock: The "too slow" thing can, rarely, actually happen _on powered rail_, when the performance problem is bad enough; typically this will only be when the number of times you have to traverse each section of track before moving on, climbs into double digits.
20:08 jonadab          But yes, that (reversing direction permanently and actually going back hundreds or thousands of blocks to the previous station / stopping point) only happens when going uphill, or occasionally on brakerail while punching to move foreward.
20:09 Krock            going back from your perspective. the cart almost always faces forwards
20:09 Krock            F7 player model rotation confirms
20:10 jonadab          But when I said "moving backwards", I was referring to going back and re-traversing the same section(s) of track again and again.
20:11 jonadab          Or the same section of ocean, in the case of boats.
20:12 jonadab          As in, "See that island off in the distance up ahead?  I passed it thirty seconds ago, and thirty seconds before that, and twenty seconds before that, and..."
20:12 jonadab          (And yes, I really need to migrate Minetest off my Windows Ten laptop and onto a computer with better hardware and a real OS.)
20:13 jonadab          (One of these days.)
20:18 Krock            (Pentium T2xxx is enough for 11 FPS)
20:34 jonadab          I think the amount of RAM is more likely the problem with that laptop.  And being I/O bound a lot.  Windows Ten performs VERY badly when I/O bound.
20:35 jonadab          I should run _at least_ the server, and probably the client as well, on one of my Devuan systems.
20:36 sfan5            windows and i/o is a terrible story in general
20:41 BurningPrincess1 My new computer is great.,  mimetest does not even use most of the CPU and RAM unlikle on my old one
20:41 jonadab          sfan5: Phone/Eight/Ten is markedly worse in this regard than NT.
20:41 erlehmann        ok now tell me what kind of computer and settings you use
20:41 erlehmann        because i use debian on a thinkpad t60
20:41 erlehmann        and minetest is quite okay there
20:42 erlehmann        though looking at a lot of fire or leaves slows it down immensely
20:42 erlehmann        no idea why though
20:42 erlehmann        maybe the transparency part?
20:42 sfan5            yeah I think that's it
20:42 jonadab          Yeah, the Linux virtual memory manager is reasonably good.  It can handle the occasional page swap without grinding to a halt for five minutes solid.
20:42 erlehmann        sfan5, leaves are not transparent on my computer, still it slows down noticeably when i look at them.
20:42 Krock            shaders?
20:42 erlehmann        jonadab, i have been saying for years linux makes for a better gaming system.
20:43 erlehmann        i disabled shaders, of course
20:43 BurningPrincess1 Minetest runs well for me, even when I had some crappy cpu and 2 GB of RAM
20:44 erlehmann        BurningPrincess1 hey are you me?
20:44 jonadab          erlehmann:  Linux makes a great gaming system for open-source games.  Not so good for closed-source binary-only ones (this is in no way game-specific; binary-only software in general is terrible on Linux).
20:44 jonadab          But yeah, I knew Minetest was open-source when I downloaded it, and I stupidly went, "Oh, it's a game, I should put it on the Ten laptop."  Dumb.
20:45 erlehmann        jonadab, binary-only software in general is terrible on anything. signed, someone who got binary software from a vendor that sells very expensive devices and had to write some entirely new code to make it work as it should because the binary was buggy.
20:45 jonadab          Fair enough.
20:46 erlehmann        yeah took us some time
20:47 erlehmann        jonadab, btw binary only software works well on linux, see dosbox and a lot of dos games.
20:49 jonadab          Things old enough to be emulated easily on modern hardware are a special case.
20:49 erlehmann        jonadab, not entirely, palette switching animations are shitty. see old xcom games.