Time  Nick        Message
09:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04y@y -> 03minetest/minetest: Removed debug.upvaluejoin to prevent leak of insecure environment 13ecd20de https://git.io/fjDzO (152019-07-24T09:43:09Z)
12:47 Hellime     Hello everyone, I would like to know if there are any resources, how minetest was made: example - algorithms, and how the core of minetest works?
14:36 Tianshee    Is there already implemented physics for mobs(to walk and collide with nodes and probably other entities) or I have to write it myself?
14:37 VanessaE    look into mobs_redo
14:37 VanessaE    it's an API for that stuff, plus addons that actually supply some good mobs
14:38 Tianshee    So I have to write it myself or depend on mobs_redo, there is no default physics?
14:39 VanessaE    there's basically no default, no.
14:41 Tianshee    Then how "physical", "gravity" and "weight" are used by minetest(or minetest_game) itself? They are not?
14:41 Tianshee    They are there for something else to use?
14:42 VanessaE    I'm not sure, beyond how they affect entities and players in general.
14:43 Tianshee    Even "
14:43 Tianshee    makes_footstep_sound"!
14:44 Tianshee    Sorry, I somehow copied empty line. Dunno how this happened. Installed HexChat one hour ago, never used it before.
14:44 VanessaE    heh
14:44 VanessaE    s'ok
14:45 Tianshee    I'm playing on your server btw and found two bugs. One is exploitable but not very serious since anyone can protect anything with chat commands anyway, another one is frustrating.
14:45 VanessaE    what bugs?
14:46 Tianshee    Infinite protection blocks and armor removing items in inventory when you are trying to place it in inventory and exchange it with something else.
14:47 VanessaE    mmh,.
14:47 VanessaE    file bugs against the respective mods :)
14:47 Tianshee    But they are on your server...
14:47 Tianshee    I don't even know that those mods are.
14:48 Tianshee    Oh...
14:48 VanessaE    which server?
14:48 Tianshee    I can probably throw those items on ground to see how they are called...
14:48 Tianshee    Survival.
14:48 VanessaE    which one?  I have several that run in survival mode :)
14:49 Tianshee    I think it's called Dreambuilder Survival.
14:49 VanessaE    ok
14:49 VanessaE    then that'll be cheapie's areasprotector mod, an dstu's 3darmor mod
14:49 Tianshee    I'm new in minetest and trying to understand how to play and create mods.
14:52 Tianshee    You only use that one mod for area protection?
14:52 VanessaE    I use a few actually
14:53 VanessaE    but which one(s) depends on which server
14:53 Tianshee    I thought it could be a result of their interaction if there are multiple.
14:53 VanessaE    nah
14:55 VanessaE    areas is the main mod most use, areasprotector uses areas as its backend. one of the servers has its own specific kind of protection block, one of the others has yet another type specific to that server, etc etc
14:56 Tianshee    I think if you place protection block in existing protected area it will not be taken from your inventory but will be placed anyway, so you can make a castle out of single block.
14:57 VanessaE    sssh
14:57 Tianshee    You know?
14:57 VanessaE    cheapie: ^
14:57 VanessaE    this channel is logged so you shouldn't discuss exploits in here (research responsible disclosure)
14:58 Tianshee    I thought since protection is free and you can't recycle protection blocks into anything, it's like generation cobble(or something similar) and protecting it.
14:58 Tianshee    Like, it does not let you do anything you normally can't.
15:00 Tianshee    It would be a problem if protection were not free of if protection blocks were useful resource on their own.
15:00 VanessaE    ahem.
15:00 VanessaE    again, don't talk about it in here.
15:00 VanessaE    please file bug reports.
15:00 Tianshee    Like if you could turn them back into locks. It's not possible.
15:06 Tianshee    I don't like asking for anything and expect my bug reports to be ignored anyway. If someone is reading this, feel free to do it yourself if you want that "free exposure". I didn't break anything intentionally.
20:12 Tianshee    How to add owner to area?
20:13 Tianshee    I don't want to create new area inside it, I want to give them same level of control that I have.
20:16 calcul0n    Tianshee, that depends on the protection mod in use
20:17 calcul0n    if you type /help do you see select_area and add_owner in the list?
21:26 Tianshee    I used add_owner.
21:26 Tianshee    But I'm not sure it was best idea.
21:26 Tianshee    Why it added new area?
21:26 Tianshee    It's weird.
21:29 calcul0n    you cant' really add someone to an area, it just creates a new area owned by the player
21:29 calcul0n    but the result is the same
22:01 Tianshee    What if I will create an area partially overlapping someone else's protected area?
22:04 calcul0n    i guess it won't work, that's the point of "protected" areas :)
22:04 calcul0n    unless you're added to this area of course
22:20 adfeno      Hi there, how to use .[lang].tr files? which should be the main name of the file (the part before the first dot)? and [lang] shoud be in which format?
22:22 sfan5       i'm pretty sure the documentation says how to do this
22:23 adfeno      It says that the suffix is ".[lang].tr", but not the preffix.
22:23 adfeno      And [lang] has no format specified as far as I have read according to lua_api.txt.
22:24 sfan5       probably the same language codes gettext uses but just the first part
22:25 sfan5       so not de_DE but de
22:26 adfeno      Ah, OK
22:26 adfeno      Now I wonder what should I put before the first dot in ".[lang].tr"?
22:28 sfan5       anything works i guess
22:28 sfan5       e.g. the name of your mod
22:29 adfeno      and `# textdomain:` means that I must replace the "textdomain" part with the according name?
22:29 adfeno      Or must I put the desired textdomain immediatelly after the two dots (":")?
22:32 sfan5       after the dot
22:34 adfeno      Hm... Thanks :D
22:34 adfeno      Now, I wonder how I can check if my Minetest has translations enabled?
22:35 adfeno      I tried LANG=[Some code to match the translation, lowercase] minetest           And got no results.
22:36 sfan5       you can also try setting language in minetest.conf
22:36 sfan5       `language = de`
22:37 adfeno      Hm... Interesting, the Minetest menu did change, but the item/block description didn't.
22:38 adfeno      (the Minetest menu also changed when using the LANG variable, as expected, but I had the same issue I just described in regards to my mod specifically)
22:40 adfeno      In my init.lua I have this: local S = minetest.get_translator("testmod")                And in strings that can be translated I have S("String.")      No string needs arguments as this is a test.
22:41 adfeno      The .TR file has: # textdomain:testmod                And each line has:        String.=Translation.
22:55 adfeno      Hm, found a possible cause: VERBOSE[Main]: Translations: can't find translation for string "Bloco de fosforite" in textdomain "fosforo"
22:55 adfeno      fosforo is testmod (I just changed name
23:01 adfeno      And I do have the original string "Bloco de fosforite" (without quotes nor spaces betwen equal sign) = "Translation (also without quotes and no spaces between the equal sign)
23:03 rubenwardy  Check that the extension is lowercase
23:04 rubenwardy  And that the filename is the same case as use domain
23:04 rubenwardy  ...and gtg
23:05 adfeno      Yes, the file name is "fosforo.en.tr" (again, fosforo being the textdomain and also the mod's name).
23:09 adfeno      I'll see what strace gives me in this regard
23:31 adfeno      Hm.... strace is somewhat confusing me, as it doesn't tell which part of the file is problematic.
23:46 adfeno      Is there a way to see which files Minestest is looking at when searching for the translations?
23:47 adfeno      Unless I missed it, strace isn't helping