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00:06 puzzlecube Several of the package names in those one liners on the forums are incorrect when building on Debian.
00:07 puzzlecube Long command incoming, sorry. Try running "sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev libgettextpo0 libfreetype6-dev libbz2-dev libpng-dev libjpeg-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libluajit-5.1-dev liblua5.1-0-dev libleveldb-dev"
00:07 puzzlecube That seemed to work on Debian 10 and Ubuntu xenial (if I typed it all right) to get all the dependencies (of course you will need cmake too. I think -DENABLE_CLIENT=false -DENABLE_SERVER=true would be what you would want to feed to cmake for it but I always did full client and server so I am not sure.
00:22 DoyleChris what are the cmake command to make a stand alone server (portable server)
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00:45 puzzlecube If I am not mistaken -DENABLE_CLIENT=false -DENABLE_SERVER=true should do the trick, Oh and -DRUN_IN_PLACE if you want it to store its data within the build directory.
01:20 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Add new, longer 'default_grass_side' texture d16612c https://git.io/fjM17 (2019-07-22T01:18:20Z)
01:28 MinetestBot [git] TumeniNodes -> minetest/minetest_game: Creative: Add 'default' as optional dependency 4282a93 https://git.io/fjM1F (2019-07-22T01:26:52Z)
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18:23 Copenhagen_Bram I wish lord of the test would update for minetest 5.0.0
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19:57 Copenhagen_Bram Why has the website's banner shrunk?
19:57 Copenhagen_Bram It looks boring now
19:58 Copenhagen_Bram When I saw it a few minutes ago I knew it was different, it was less enticing, I couldn't see much ore
19:58 Copenhagen_Bram So I opened the webpage up on archive.org and the banner's been shrinking
19:59 Copenhagen_Bram It needs to fill your screen, so you can see the ores and the torch and the tunnel into darkness
19:59 Copenhagen_Bram But now all I can see is a bunch of stone
20:00 Copenhagen_Bram This is how I prefer it to look: https://web.archive.org/web/20170630174321/http://www.minetest.net/
20:01 Krock create a pr to fix that
20:03 rubenwardy it's shrunk so you can actually see that there's content below it, for UX reasons
20:03 rubenwardy It could be increased to be something like 80% of the height instead
20:03 Krock https://web.archive.org/web/20181023103259/https://www.minetest.net/ was also nice
20:03 rubenwardy also, the jumbotron background is pretty boring anyway. Doesn't deserve full height :)
20:03 Krock and it's outdated
20:04 Krock new light curve and torches
20:04 rubenwardy ah I see
20:04 Copenhagen_Bram I was just thinking a new screenshot with lava would be nice
20:04 rubenwardy when I reduced the height of the main page, it was still bigger than the other pages
20:04 rubenwardy since the bulma rewrite, they're all the same now
20:05 rubenwardy that's not true actually
20:05 Copenhagen_Bram Also, "A free, open source voxel game engine and game. Fully extendable. You are in control." sounds better than "An open source voxel game engine. Play one of our many games, mod a game to your liking, make your own game, or play on a multiplayer server."
20:05 rubenwardy now the other pages don't even have them
20:05 Copenhagen_Bram The latter can go in the about section
20:05 rubenwardy people objected to that
20:05 rubenwardy I wrote both of those, and I'm not happy with either
20:05 Copenhagen_Bram Oh?
20:06 Copenhagen_Bram Hmm.
20:06 Copenhagen_Bram I like the former, it's catchy, but I could try to think of my own suggestion
20:06 Copenhagen_Bram > it's shrunk so you can actually see that there's content below it, for UX reasons
20:06 Copenhagen_Bram Put a see more arrow at the bottom?
20:07 rubenwardy it's been demonstrated that people scroll less when you do stuff like that
20:08 rubenwardy I forget the article I read
20:08 Copenhagen_Bram I just had an idea, we could take a screenshot with less height and keep the current design
20:08 rubenwardy because I made the same change on my website
20:08 Copenhagen_Bram hmm
20:10 rubenwardy Calinou ?
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20:12 rubenwardy Calinou: I'd like to see a document explaining the header levels used. I don't understand what should be green or centered when it comes to headers!
20:12 rubenwardy *headings
20:12 Copenhagen_Bram What are the proportions of what's visible of the banner?
20:13 rubenwardy depends on the screen width
20:13 * Copenhagen_Bram is going to try taking a screenshot
20:13 Copenhagen_Bram Oh
20:13 rubenwardy for me it's 33:9
20:14 rubenwardy a good approach is to have it so the height is always the same, but it then cuts off the width as needed
20:14 rubenwardy so only the center area is always seen
20:16 Copenhagen_Bram So the height is always the same. What's the height?
20:16 * Copenhagen_Bram does an inspect element
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20:36 Calinou rubenwardy: we follow the general "SEO-friendly" advise, which also happens to be good HTML practice :)
20:36 Calinou in short: use only one <h1> tag per page, use <h2> for headings, and <h3> for subheadings
20:36 Calinou be logical in the heading order (don't follow an <h2> immediately with an <h4>, use an <h3> first)
20:37 rubenwardy well, yes
20:37 rubenwardy obviously
20:37 rubenwardy but what should be green? H2s?
20:37 rubenwardy why aren't all h2s green by default?
20:37 rubenwardy it's kinda weird
20:38 rubenwardy I guess green + center should be virtual page heads
20:38 rubenwardy for example, About, Feature, Gallery are all green and centered and on the nav bar
20:38 rubenwardy but that would give 3 <h1>s on the hompage
20:41 rubenwardy only the home page has green titles
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20:50 Calinou yeah, there's a .section-title class for green titles
20:50 Calinou I used it only on the homepage, but feel free to use it on other pages consistently, I guess
20:59 rubenwardy reason I asked was to try and understand it
20:59 rubenwardy sections would imply usage on <h2>s
21:00 rubenwardy I used it on a <h1> here though: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2122943/61493796-5d855900-a9ac-11e9-816d-663b3b467838.png
21:00 rubenwardy web#178
21:00 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/178 -- Add education landing page by rubenwardy
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21:05 Calinou in Bulma, only classes are used for styling, so the heading level is only for semantic/SEO purposes
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21:09 juli hi which database backend would u recommend or do u have good experiences with in a new server?
21:14 Calinou juli: most large servers seem to use PostgreSQL nowadays, but SQLite is fine for small servers
21:14 Calinou (SQLite is the default)
21:16 juli for me sqlite seems realy laggy i can be wrong though ... but thanks for the reply :)
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