Time  Nick         Message
00:01 Fairion      byebye bbbb
00:01 Fairion      couldn't resist :)
00:01 Fairion      say that 5 times fast
00:15 trom_        paramat: what is default for "chance" ? I tried before with default chance and same ~30 sec (now with directly declared chance=1 all works fine)
00:38 paramat      hmm not sure. chance should always be specified though
01:05 Astrobe      missing values should throw an error or have sensible defaults. I happened to make some experiments earlier with liquids; I ommited liquid_alt_source and got spammed in the console with red errors.
01:06 Astrobe      Throwing exceptions is probably the wiser, because with dynamic languages like lua, typos are deadly.
01:07 Astrobe      Default values don't help with spotting the mistake.
01:07 paramat      i mean, even if there is a default for chance it is a fundamental value so should always be specified
01:07 paramat      (that was directed at trom)
01:17 Astrobe      "Do. Or do not. There is no try."
02:16 Aaron__      hi
03:12 trom_        do this Warn msg block ABM for a lot of time ? " WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 9219ms (longer than 200ms)"
04:53 Guest78269   any idea when this mods will be back online>?
06:09 shydog       hi
06:09 shydog       i cant get minetest on my pc
06:56 Guest73685   Test
06:57 Guest73685   Oh boy
06:58 xstarlogic   Test again
06:58 xstarlogic   What happen to minetest server?
06:59 xstarlogic   Crash?
07:01 Nigel        yes, celeron55 is busy recovering it now
07:08 xstarlogic   Hope running soon
07:08 xstarlogic   I think some body need to make offline guide...
07:11 Nigel        he has a server up now, should be in the next day or two (hopefully)
07:12 Nigel        l all
07:12 Nigel        he has been working to recover it for over 2 days now...
07:16 xstarlogic   Yes
07:16 xstarlogic   But yesterday no notice appear
07:17 xstarlogic   Anyone here have any idea how to copy building from one map to another?
07:17 Nigel        you can use worldedit to save the area as a schematic
07:18 Nigel        then load it in to the new map
07:18 Nigel        <IF> you have the same nodes available in the new map
07:19 Nigel        otherwise try the handle schematic mod which will allow you to replace non existant nodes in the schematic
07:19 xstarlogic   I need to try that
07:20 xstarlogic   I forget to add more tree mod in the map
07:21 Nigel        then use this epic mod from sokomine ... https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics
07:21 Nigel        you can replace unknown nodes with something you have on the new map/server
07:24 xstarlogic   Hahaha, should know that by yesterday
07:24 xstarlogic   Some times I do not like the mod and get confuse to replace them
07:25 xstarlogic   I mean I install the mod... after I dislike the mod, I uninstalled them and there I got lots of unknown block
07:26 Nigel        ooooh, that can be a nightmare ;-( you should try out new mods on a copy of the worl/server first ;-)
07:26 Nigel        ^world
07:28 xstarlogic   I learn that
07:28 xstarlogic   Hahaha
07:28 xstarlogic   Now new mods goes to new world
07:29 xstarlogic   Dislike it ... Remove it
07:30 Nigel        best way ;-)
07:30 xstarlogic   I just wondering if more trees mod will randomly spawn tree...
07:31 Nigel        only on new areas of the map (when the mapgen makes a new block)
07:31 Nigel        on areas generated before you add the mod, no.
07:33 xstarlogic   Then I have to move my stuff to new map
07:33 xstarlogic   I mean new world
07:34 rgspro       There is a mod I believe called remove_unknown that I use to get rid of unknown blocks
07:36 xstarlogic   I never think of that previously
07:36 xstarlogic   I've already build tower to sky starting from scratch
07:37 xstarlogic   BTW hope minetest would give notification on mod that is include in the package...
07:38 xstarlogic   Some times I do not know that the package have include certain mods, and adding the same mode some times cause undesire effect
07:39 Nigel        yeah, this mod can help if you know the names of the unknown blocks... https://github.com/indriApollo/remove_unknown
07:40 rgspro       I learned the hard way to always try new mods on a copy world.  Latest disappointment was Petz
07:41 rgspro       I cannot get the the link but the remove mod I use one just types rm 20 which is the radius of the area
07:41 Nigel        me too, too many times ;-(
07:41 Nigel        yes, that's the mod
07:42 rgspro       Love that Mod :)
07:42 xstarlogic   Another mod... Cause the chicken to walk backward
07:42 Nigel        hahaha, never seen that happen
07:42 xstarlogic   Anyone know how to fix?
07:43 xstarlogic   mob Engine Master
07:43 xstarlogic   yes... thats making my chicken to walk backwards
07:44 Nigel        no, but my chickens in the real world walk backwards when they are molting feathers, but that doesn't help...
07:45 Nigel        ah, problems can happen if you have more than one mob system on the dame map
07:45 Nigel        ^same
07:46 xstarlogic   Is chicken available without mod?
07:46 Nigel        no, but if you mix mob mods many wird things can happen...
07:48 Nigel        the most flexible mob system (imo) is mobs_redo by TenPlus1, it has many many different kinds of mobs and is easy to use
07:48 xstarlogic   I only have one mobs
07:48 xstarlogic   Mob Engine Master
07:50 Nigel        oh, never used it, I only use this one https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/mobs_redo it is an api only mod, and you add mods which have the mobs inside
07:50 Nigel        on my servers it makes the least lag ;-)
07:51 xstarlogic   There's mod in github and in forum.. some time confuse me
07:51 xstarlogic   Yes... I see mob redo is good
07:51 twoelk       xstarlogic: you can study the file world.mt in the world folder the map.* is stored in to have a list of which of your installed mods has been activated for that exact map
07:51 Nigel        tenplus1 makes GREAT mods that make little lag, I could not run my servers without his work...
07:52 xstarlogic   I know which mods I use
07:52 xstarlogic   But to purge them is a problem
07:52 xstarlogic   Purging mods some time leads to err
07:52 xstarlogic   Mob Master Engine produce Zombie Spawn box
07:53 Nigel        yes indeed, we are back to where we started, try new mods on a copy of the server ;-)
07:53 Nigel        hehehe
07:54 xstarlogic   Yeah I try and love if at first... then glitches start to appear...
07:54 xstarlogic   that the disapointing area
07:55 xstarlogic   hahaha
07:55 twoelk       hm, may have missunderstood the meaning of ""package"" in your request a few lines up
07:55 Nigel        ;-)
07:56 xstarlogic   @twoelk:Don't understand
07:56 twoelk       nvm, probably not relevant anymore
07:57 Nigel        hi celeron, how goes the struggle with the vps?
07:57 Nigel        i see you have an nginx server & certificates back up ;-)
08:02 twoelk       oh, the IT-dog has been replaced by an electro car. it seems
08:03 Nigel        seems celeron55 is getting closer to saving us ;-)
08:03 Nigel        damn, I don't envy him for the work he must have put in ....
08:06 celeron55    well
08:06 celeron55    it's been stressful and time consuming for sure
08:07 celeron55    altough, time is mostly consumed by stupid little things
08:08 Nigel        I feel your pain... and profer the thanks of many for your work ;-) we all wouldn't be here without it ;-)
08:08 celeron55    like transferring and extracting a 9GB tarball with too many little files
08:08 celeron55    and doing an OS upgrade
08:08 Nigel        oooooh ;-(     full recovery is a bitch ;-)
08:09 celeron55    it's like building a ship-in-a-bottle
08:10 celeron55    with beefier internet and a beefier VPS this would've been a lot faster
08:10 Nigel        as they say, the devil is in the details ;-)
08:10 xstarlogic   Keep up Bro Celeron55
08:10 xstarlogic   Me also do coding, backing up company database...
08:10 celeron55    but, i'm proud of the fact that i didn't add any new hacks!
08:11 celeron55    (just most of the old hacks remained)
08:11 Nigel        hahhaa
08:11 xstarlogic   And is a headache if user makes senseless transaction
08:11 xstarlogic   I have to dig the database and make adjustment
08:12 Nigel        hyvää työtä ;-)
08:13 Nigel        (hope google translate got that right )
08:14 xstarlogic   Nigel where are you from?
08:17 Nigel_       I'm from england, but living in Greece currently
08:19 Nigel_       hmm, having connection problems thru the corporate firewall ;-(
08:22 Nigel_       YAYYY, the forums are back ;-)
08:24 Nigel_       many many thanks celeron55
08:25 celeron55    everything should work now, shout at me if something doesn't
08:26 Nigel_       just logged in ok ;-)
08:27 Nigel_       password recovery works ;-)
08:27 twoelk       hm, some of the latest stuff in the wiki is missing
08:27 Nigel_       yeah, celeron55 said on reddit that we lost the last 6 weeks
08:28 Nigel_       or so...
08:28 celeron55    yeah, welcome to 6 weeks ago
08:28 xstarlogic   Well guys... reddit is block by our ISP in Indonesia
08:28 celeron55    i probably need to shorten my offsite backup interval
08:29 ANAND        No new posts after logging in like a month later :O
08:29 xstarlogic   Please don't put any information there, I'm not in favor to use VPN
08:29 Nigel_       hehe
08:30 ShadMOrdre   so time travel is possible.  just crash  your server......
08:30 Nigel_       now to get back to develpoing my new server ;-)
08:30 twoelk       drat, I did not make notes of my additions
08:30 ANAND        xstarlogic: All official announcements will take place in the forum and IRC. We don't have any official reddit accounts (AFAIK).
08:30 ShadMOrdre   and to thinks, Jules would roll in his grave to discover it is this simple.
08:31 twoelk       oh dear, is all the new simple chinese content gone?
08:32 ANAND        The most recent posts are from 13th of March
08:33 Nigel_       no official reddit, but sometimes info leaks onto /r/Minetest, sfan5 is a mod there and rubenwardy is sometimes active.
08:33 rubenwardy   /r/Minetest is an official subreddit
08:33 ANAND        Oh neat
08:33 ANAND        I thought it was unofficial
08:33 Nigel_       me too
08:33 Nigel_       why u no mod rubenwardy ;-)
08:36 twoelk       guess I got to study the wiki more this weekend to see what's missing
08:38 celeron55    i had the newest corrupted data (and a corrupted more recent backup) but mysql wasn't having it with either of them so i gave up with it
08:41 celeron55    (or, well, mariadb)
08:41 twoelk       in a company I worked at we had corrupted backups that overwrote everything befor we noticed, lost some 2 years worth of data in the end
08:41 Nigel_       does anyone actually still use mysql these days? we just call mariadb that ;-)
08:42 Nigel_       when debian switched, so did I
08:42 rubenwardy   I bet the terrible company I used to work for still do
08:42 rubenwardy   they also used PHP 5
08:42 Nigel_       haha
08:42 Nigel_       oooh ;-(
08:42 rubenwardy   It was a student job
08:42 rubenwardy   peanuts for easy development
08:43 rubenwardy   and pointless development
08:43 Nigel_       or as it used to be called, slave labour
08:43 rubenwardy   for example, I wrote this entirely myself in 3 weeks: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gwsmedia.bcva
08:43 rubenwardy   less than 100 downloads
08:43 rubenwardy   should've been a website
08:43 oil_boi      6 weeks ago, damn I haven't been on here very long :T
08:44 Nigel_       bah, can't hit the link thru the corporate firewall ;-(
08:44 rubenwardy   it's more moo than bah
08:44 rubenwardy   wrong animal
08:44 Nigel_       hang on, tunelling out...
08:46 celeron55    finally added favicons to the wikis 8)
08:46 celeron55    same logo as everywhere but it's better than nothing
08:47 Nigel_       @rubenwardy, looks a lot more pro than the stuff I did as school work, but that was back in the 8 bit days ;-)
08:47 rubenwardy   it's only because I did it 100% myself
08:47 rubenwardy   here's another app which I fixed, but didn't start: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relinns.contramate
08:48 rubenwardy   some of the worst code I've ever seen
08:48 * twoelk     hides his code in a hole in the garden
08:48 * Nigel_     hides my git repo under the bed.
08:49 celeron55    i'd use postgresql for everything but there's no reasonable way to convert a phpbb mysql database to postgresql
08:49 ANAND        Oh yay, favicons :D
08:49 rubenwardy   I use postgresql for ContentDB
08:50 rubenwardy   I had a lot of fun writing constraints for everything
08:50 Nigel_       @celeron55, why is it that all useful bb systems are in php, just to make devs suffer? ;-)
08:50 celeron55    i think php is fine
08:50 celeron55    it's mostly a matter of how you use it
08:50 rubenwardy   php is terrible to write
08:51 rubenwardy   how do you use it with nginx?
08:51 Nigel_       bane of my life, cos I'm forced to use it for corporate ;-(
08:51 rubenwardy   php-fpm?
08:51 celeron55    there are a lot of bad practices and the language is silly, but then again people write stuff in bash and tcl and whatnot
08:51 rubenwardy   bash is archiac but still well designed for its purpose
08:52 rubenwardy   its purpose being manipulating processes and linux-y things
08:52 Nigel_       python over wsgi for the win ;-)
08:53 rubenwardy   I use python over gunicorn instead for ContentDB
08:53 celeron55    well designed software in php is very easy to get running on almost any server
08:53 trom_        why get_mapgen_object("heightmap") relevant register_on_generated(function(minp, maxp) but not get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip") ?
08:53 rubenwardy   yeah, a lot of php software has nice setup scripts
08:54 celeron55    ...setup scripts suck
08:54 twoelk       bash is somewhat better at forcing a good structure than anything more sophisticated
08:54 Nigel_       indeed, hence why I can still work here ;-)
08:54 rubenwardy   well, that's the only thing I see php having over node/python
08:55 Nigel_       yeah, setting up any python for the web can be a bitch
08:55 rubenwardy   deploying something in node tends to be    npm install,  edit config,     pm2 start prog.pm2
08:55 Nigel_       still woth it tho
08:55 Nigel_       ^worth
08:55 rubenwardy   saying that
08:55 rubenwardy   I haven't deployed much tbh
08:55 rubenwardy   so I'm talking shit
08:56 rubenwardy   with nginx, to deploy PHP you need to also use php-fpm iirc
08:57 * rubenwardy googles
08:57 Nigel_       maybe we should all move to kepler ( lua for web dev ) /s
08:57 Nigel_       heheh
08:57 celeron55    i create a new instance of php-fpm for every website and make them have separate OS-level user accounts and directories with no permission to anything they don't need
08:58 celeron55    you might not guess it but one MT website actually uses lua
08:58 Nigel_       ah, security by seperation ;-)
08:58 Nigel_       really? 8-0
08:58 rubenwardy   I can't think of any
08:58 celeron55    the wiki uses lua for it's scribunto extension
08:58 celeron55    its*
08:59 * Nigel_     rethinks his entire life
08:59 celeron55    8)
08:59 celeron55    there was a hidden lua under your carpet
08:59 Nigel_       hahahaha
08:59 celeron55    now what!
08:59 rubenwardy   nginx supports lua for somerthing
09:00 Nigel_       truly astonishing.
09:00 * twoelk     awaits lua binding of wiki website into minetest help system
09:29 Nigel_       Does anyone know of a way to increase the node select range? in 'real' creative mode i can dig/place up to 7 nodes away, but in survival it's only 4 nodes.
09:30 rubenwardy   `range` in the wielded item definition
09:30 rubenwardy   for all players, you can override the hand item like this:     minetest.override_item("", { range =100 })
09:30 rubenwardy   for just one player at a time, you can register a new hand with a different range
09:30 Nigel_       that was my next question, thanks a lot rubenwardy ;-)
09:30 rubenwardy   then change the players hand using the hand inventory slot
09:31 rubenwardy   you can also do this with tools
09:31 Nigel_       nice, TY
09:31 rubenwardy   minetest.override_item("default:pick_mese", { range =100 })
09:31 Nigel_       you should write a book /s ;-)
09:31 rubenwardy   basically, minetest first checks the current item and then the hand to work out range/punching info
09:32 rubenwardy   this is why you can still dig things using a wood block, for example - you use the hand digging info
09:32 rubenwardy   ha, thanks
09:32 Nigel_       magic, thankyou kind sir ;-)
09:33 Nigel_       btw, my 8yo daughter is using your book as a guide as she learns to program lua to make mods.... Thanks for your work ;-)
09:39 xstarlogic   I do not like PHP... some how not structural...
09:39 xstarlogic   It is good for starter but not for advance IMHO
09:40 xstarlogic   I preffer a programming language that declares everything from the beginin...
09:41 rubenwardy   the last PHP project I did: https://github.com/rubenwardy/college-cwk-spelling-test
09:41 rubenwardy   ew disgusting commits
09:41 rubenwardy   this was before I started using git obsessively
09:42 rubenwardy   in the first week of university, I lost a 64GB memory stick of projects
09:42 rubenwardy   since then, everything is on git
09:42 xstarlogic   I work as a mechanical Engineer... Have no time in coding...
09:42 xstarlogic   Now... I code using Microsoft Access Macro... and some VBA
09:42 rubenwardy   ewww
09:43 xstarlogic   Because I do work in a place where connection is not always available... Need to able to deploy database in 1 PC
09:44 xstarlogic   And my company need to be fast fast fast
09:45 rubenwardy   here is a list of topics which no longer exist on the forums: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/1cd66e60f45fbd994bb52f1ffdcbdc4d
09:47 rubenwardy   updated, missed a few
09:50 twoelk       oh, that's usefull
10:08 ANAND        gunslinger lost about 10-15 posts, all of them being release announcements. :(
10:10 rubenwardy   ContentDB scans the forums every day at 1am for new topics
10:10 rubenwardy   compared to Krocks mod search, which is weekly
10:11 celeron55    you can still find those in google's cache i think
10:12 celeron55    maybe someone should save all of those at least
10:17 twoelk       or at least the mod creators need to be notified
10:23 ANAND        CDB badly needs a favicon :)
10:23 rubenwardy   graphic artists needed
10:28 * ANAND      scurries
10:32 Calinou      you could just reuse the Minetest logo
10:32 Calinou      it'd be better than nothing :)
10:32 rubenwardy   boring
10:32 rubenwardy   I'd quite like a cool CDB logo
10:32 rubenwardy   can think of one with slightly overlapping letters, would probably look too much like a start up though
10:33 Astrobe      My yatpm that's on the list of victim mods had 0 downloads last time I checked. I don't think it's worth posting it again. It's too niche.
10:33 rubenwardy   yet another [tpm] ?
10:34 rubenwardy   tree protection mod
10:34 Astrobe      yes
10:35 twoelk       about trees? must have missed that one :-(
10:36 Astrobe      it basically prevents players to dig a tree node if there's another tree node on top of it, that's all.
10:41 Astrobe      lol, a certain recently locked general discussion topic has vanished.
10:42 rubenwardy   which one?
10:42 rubenwardy   oh, inappropriate content?
10:42 rubenwardy   yeah, the backup is from 13th of March
10:42 Astrobe      yes :-)
10:42 rubenwardy   so 6 weeks has been lost
10:43 Astrobe      it was informative though. I realized I let children play on my server without thinking too much about it.
10:46 Astrobe      No inappropriate content, but it used to be scary at times... spiders falling on you in dark caves... Even I had trouble sleeping sometimes :-D
11:16 celeron55    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=22343
11:25 kurtzmusch   holy fug, the rollback was long
11:35 kurtzmusch   thangs celeron
11:37 kurtzmusch   i was getting withdrawal symptoms from not using the forum for too long
11:38 Astrobe      Yep, thanks for your time.
11:38 robdrake     thanks celeron and everybody involved in getting the formus and wiki up
11:39 robdrake     sorry to bother, I searched the forums, is there a clear drops mod?
11:42 rubenwardy   clear drops?
11:49 p_gimeno     celeron55: For my site I run an off-site MySQL replication instance. That might be a better solution than more frequent backups.
11:49 MinetestBot  p_gimeno: May-03 06:13 UTC <ANAND> That's great news. Can the patch be incorporated into the same PR?
11:50 p_gimeno     ANAND: yes I think so, although that's a new feature, while the PR as it stands is a bugfix
11:50 robdrake     yes, as in your cut down a tree with a chainsaw, logs and leaves fall everywhere, player can't be bothered to pick everything up
11:51 robdrake     or, inventory is full and they don't come back to pick up drops
11:52 p_gimeno     I've lost my user and my PMs, and the only thread I've participated. Sigh...
11:53 rubenwardy   :'(
11:55 p_gimeno     The only good news is that I could save it from the browser cache. http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/[Mod]FFIopt%20[ffiopt]%20-%20Minetest%20Forums.html
11:58 celeron55    p_gimeno: it is more complex though
11:59 celeron55    when things fail, you really hope you used the absolute simplest things so that there was minimum chance for hidden failure
12:00 Astrobe      robdrake, there's a minetest.conf parameter that tells how long drops stay in the world. Maybe shortening it could do the trick?
12:00 celeron55    also, there definitely are budget constraints
12:01 celeron55    current donations are just enough for me to not have to pay this VPS and domain out of my pocket
12:02 robdrake     uhm celeron55, where is the donation link?
12:02 celeron55    and setting up something like mysql replication on a server that i don't own seems like wasted work, as other people's servers come and go
12:02 robdrake     nevermind
12:03 p_gimeno     I run that replication on my home computer, total cost is around 6€/mo. I think that even in the case that the binary log got corrupted, that would not corrupt the database.
12:03 celeron55    maybe something like amazon ec2/ebs would be so reliable i wouldn't even need backups
12:04 celeron55    but it's also more expensive
12:04 celeron55    p_gimeno: i don't have the luxury of reliable enough internet for any home server purposes
12:05 celeron55    if i did, would host all this from home
12:05 p_gimeno     celeron55: to be clear, the server with the MySQL master is a paid service; the replica is my home computer
12:06 p_gimeno     my connection is not reliable enough for serving from home either, but it's enough for replication
12:06 celeron55    the VPS i'm using is liteserver.nl's KVM storage VPS with the main feature of having 150GB of disk space, which comes handy when working with the constantly growing 9GB of minetest websites
12:07 celeron55    and that costs 10 eur/month plus 24% tax
12:08 rubenwardy   How much traffic does it serve?
12:09 celeron55    maybe an average of 100kBps, with lots of variance of course; not sure where that'll settle now without www.minetest.net not going through it
12:09 celeron55    that's what my stats are showing right now
12:10 * rubenwardy looks at jnettop
12:10 celeron55    that'd be about 250GB/month
12:11 rubenwardy   mine's about 300KBps
12:11 rubenwardy   but that includes the minetest server
12:12 rubenwardy   around 11 KBps with   -x "not port 30001"
12:16 robdrake     Thank you Astrobe
12:18 p_gimeno     rubenwardy: would you be so kind to allow me to send PMs again? I've just registered as https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=24574
12:19 rubenwardy   p_gimeno: done
12:19 p_gimeno     thank you very much, and sorry for bothering you again
12:30 p_gimeno     pyrollo: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22350
12:46 MinetestBot  02[git] 04ClobberXD -> 03minetest/minetest: minimal: Fix crash due to assertion fail 1396f250e https://git.io/fjnI0 (152019-05-03T12:44:05Z)
12:59 pyrollo      Hi p_gimeno, did some tests with your mod. Works very well. I just removed the #if USE_LUAJIT because they prevented from using bundled LUAJIT lib
12:59 pyrollo      I guess this is ok because the mod tests for FFI but I did not tested with LUAJIT disabled
13:02 p_gimeno     pyrollo: feel free to take anything you need from it, I'm not going to make a release for it. But please also consider changing the license of your mod.
13:05 pyrollo      Thanks, your approach seems much better than ours. I guess we will fork and abandon ffiopt
13:07 pyrollo      What is the pb with LGPLv3 ? should it be v2 like Minetest core ?
13:30 p_gimeno     no, it's that compliance with the license is harder
13:31 p_gimeno     and that it imposes more limitations
13:32 p_gimeno     it's very rare to see someone complying correctly with the GPL or the LGPL. Minetest doesn't.
13:35 pyrollo      What license would you advice to use ?
13:41 p_gimeno     for mods, the simpler ones. Expat (aka MIT), X11 (aka MIT too), BSD 2-clause, zlib, ISC...
13:43 p_gimeno     https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html - I found this very valuable for choosing licenses
13:44 pyrollo      Thanks a lot, will study and reconsider :)
13:46 p_gimeno     thank you :)
14:37 ANAND        Can't find any cached pages that have the now-lost posts :/
15:46 ANAND        Tried to summarize the content from the lost posts: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21681&p=346019#p346019
15:47 ANAND        The post is a huge mess of tags, to such an extent that I had to use VSCode to create the post ;)
16:59 tacotexmex   Holy crap, that’s a lot of forum posts lost! I’d like to help out setting up a safer system.
17:01 fwhcat       what ? data was lost ? :/
17:01 fwhcat       hi tacotexmex
17:01 fwhcat       where are backups ?
17:02 tacotexmex   The last two months.
17:06 rubenwardy   6 weeks
17:07 tacotexmex   One and a half, that’s better. Still though. o_O
17:08 tacotexmex   Not that I want to blame anyone for it, I assume every have done their best. :)
17:14 fwhcat       we all went there once.
17:15 fwhcat       a mate and I made a backup script that we use for our lxd containers: https://github.com/younishd/AAAAaaaa
17:16 fwhcat       therefore, we automate the backup process (some are daily other are weekly backups), now you still need to ssh those backups somewhere :)
17:18 fwhcat       if you guys need I can provide some space on my server for backups, freely.
18:18 Andrey01     hello, i noticed some new topics (including my Luxury Decor mod one) are lost. I know the forum had been offline during few days, but why did those topics lose?
18:19 p_gimeno     Andrey01: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=22343
18:27 tacotexmex   <fwhcat "if you guys need I can provide s"> Encryption supported?
18:28 fwhcat       yes
18:47 Owner_       Question for the Core Devs: Would it be possible to change player gravity to be a vector rather than a single +-Y direction? And allow access to that vector in the Lua Api? Or am I way left field on the ease of implementation for such a feature?
18:48 sfan5        certainly possible and I think this shouldn't be too complicated
18:49 Owner_       How would I go about asking for such a change to be added to the next release?
18:50 p_gimeno     here's a related(ish) issue: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8051
18:52 p_gimeno     it seems that one problem with it is the handling of damage
18:52 Owner_       Thanks for the clarification p_gimeno on that bug, I think it could be solved with a vector too, as you would only take damage if your speed is above a threshold *in the direction of player gravity*
18:52 Owner_       that would fix the fast-move issue
18:52 p_gimeno     if the direction of player gravity is down and west, what would you get damage from?
18:53 Owner_       going down and west only
18:54 Owner_       hmmmm. no this requires a lot of tweeking as directional movement is locked to along the X and Z axes
18:54 p_gimeno     also, lateral gravity would interfere with directional controls
18:54 Owner_       Still, I find the feature could be useful for mod makers (i.e. for astroids, wind tunnels, wind in general, etc.)
18:55 Owner_       that interference is supposed to happen
18:56 p_gimeno     I've always wanted a velocity (not an acceleration) added to the player
18:56 Owner_       I mean, that would be much, much better. but I was going for minimal code change
18:57 Owner_       player velocity access would open a whole slew of things
18:57 sfan5        like knockback
18:57 sfan5        which has been asked for a long time
18:58 p_gimeno     knockback could be obtained with an instant impulse, that should be trivial-ish
18:58 Owner_       with velocity control, we could implement non laggy/glitchy carts, gliders, slides, etc.
18:59 p_gimeno     I'm thinking conveyor belts, water currents
18:59 Owner_       exactly, the list goes on and on. Reasons why this isn't a thing yet?
19:00 sfan5        nobody implemented it
19:00 Owner_       is velocity in the C code? and if so, couldn't we just make lua hooks?
19:00 p_gimeno     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2960
19:01 p_gimeno     yes there must be a velocity, that's why you slide on ice
19:01 p_gimeno     that's the velocity that can be used for knockback
19:02 Owner_       ah, you wouldn't need to grab player velocity, you would just send changes to that velocity from the server to client
19:02 sfan5        correct
19:02 Owner_       via "setvelocity" or "adjustvelocity"
19:03 p_gimeno     but on top of that, I would like another one that gets set when you enter certain nodes
19:04 p_gimeno     a velocity that is constantly applied, simulating that you're in a moving reference frame
19:05 Owner_       either way, what would be the steps required to implement this or push this myself?
19:07 p_gimeno     write a working patch, propose it, comment on that issue...
19:08 Owner_       so download source, edit code, compile, show it works, get support?
19:09 p_gimeno     clone repository, edit code, compile, test, send pull request
19:10 Owner_       step 1: learn git....
19:10 Owner_       anyways, thank you for the help both of you. May tackle it later tis year, we'll see
19:24 kurtzmusch   git is pretty straight forward, im learning it myself
19:28 Astrobe      Playing with gravity and server lag can be deadly, though.
19:29 Astrobe      In my game, I simulate temporary flight by applying 0 G, but somtimes
19:29 Astrobe      when the computer is busy generating mapblocks or somthing, players contnue to go up,
19:30 Astrobe      and crashland.
19:34 Astrobe      btw as long as it was just gravity, you didn't need a player mass, but that feature seems aimed at simulating other physical forces, and then you'll probably want to have a mass in your model.
19:36 kurtzmusch   yeah, this is a huge problem imo... when the map is beein generated, all network stuff hangs
19:36 kurtzmusch   even in singleplayer you can see this effect
20:17 kurtzmusch   are there any tutorials on mapgen ?
20:18 oil_boi      This is just ridiculous :T https://youtu.be/1EXo3ab7NVQ
20:22 paramat      my forum thread 'post your mapgen questions here' in modding discussion has a lot of good info
20:22 kurtzmusch   ill take a look
20:23 kurtzmusch   going ttough your fracture mapgen to try and make some smoothing on the top and other stuffs
20:26 kurtzmusch   oil_boi i liked the textures... what is ridiculous? is that a fork or a subgame?
20:27 oil_boi      kurtzmusch: Thanks, it's from Mineclone. I wrote this game myself and "borrowed" textures from mineclone2 and Minetest Game https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=22362
20:27 oil_boi      I just wrote the fire using simple timers so it's lightning fast, if I used a 0 timer things would get out of hand pretty quickly :T
20:30 oil_boi      Also code!
20:32 trom_        why get_mapgen_object("heightmap") relevant register_on_generated(function(minp, maxp) but not get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip") ?
20:34 paramat      'relevant'?
20:35 paramat      both are available for use in 'register on generated'
20:37 oil_boi      Is this a toyota Previa? :') https://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_ore
20:40 oil_boi      But where is the engine in it :O
20:52 Edgy1        backing up *again* >:C
20:53 paramat      oh nice, c55's electric car
20:56 Edgy1        XD
20:56 paramat      yes it's a previa EV conversion http://c55.me/blog/?p=1876
20:57 paramat      one of my car mods has a car called 'car55' that is powered by a mese battery and has the Finnish flag painted on the roof
21:04 oil_boi      Mid engine rwd ev? That thing must do massive burnouts without any tone rings :O
21:04 paramat      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoQINzi9J1c EV previa drifting in the snow
21:05 oil_boi      Oh snap, you gotta scandinavian flick with an open diff ;D
21:16 oil_boi      Oh my god https://youtu.be/SRubE_ZrSEw
21:20 sfan5        !title
21:20 MinetestBot  sfan5: Minetest Media Cache Dump - YouTube
21:35 paramat      yes that's a classic video
21:55 trom_        paramat: ' 'relevant'? ' yes. For example register_on_generated() return 'minp maxp' with side of 80 blocks and when I do '#heightmap' it's = 6400
22:05 paramat      ah
22:07 paramat      the heightmap is 2D so is 80x80 = 6400 values, the values are placed in a single table. for a particular x,z you need to calculate which value to use
22:07 kurtzmusch   how big is a VoxelManip obtained with minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip") i mean, i know it returns minimum and maximum emerged, but is that random or the size of a mapblock/chunk thing?
22:10 paramat      calculating the heightmap index is something like: index = (y - minp.y) * 80 + (x - minp.x) + 1
22:11 paramat      the mapgen object voxelmanip volume (emin, emax) is always a mapchunk plus a 1 mapblock thick shell around that
22:12 paramat      so by default, 112^3 nodes
22:12 paramat      (80 + 16 + 16)^3
22:12 paramat      (with chunksize = 5)
22:13 paramat      core mapgen uses the same volume
22:14 kurtzmusch   oh nice
22:14 kurtzmusch   se we get an extra mapblock for placing schematics i supose?
22:15 kurtzmusch   thangs for your  patience paramat
22:21 paramat      the shell is essential for trees that stick up and out of the mapchink
22:22 paramat      i mean, trees have to extend up beyond the mapchunk border. otherwise there would be missing trees or chopped trees everywhere in mapgen
22:23 paramat      large caves and dungeons also extend horizontally beyond the mapchunk border, by up to 16 nodes
22:23 Edgy1        yay freenode netsplits
22:51 MinetestBot  02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix trapdoor side textures and orientations 135c48c76 https://git.io/fjnG9 (152019-05-03T22:49:07Z)