Time  Nick        Message
01:08 jSnake      Does anyone know why celeron55's work with converting MT to use Urho3D was ditched?
01:39 paramat     it wasn't converting MT, it was a new project called 'buildat'
01:39 paramat     i seem to remember he has stated why somewhere, something like 'ran into some issues, became lazy'?
01:42 jSnake      hmm
01:42 jSnake      what about this "The core dev that managed to abstract away Irrlicht and run Mt in ogre3d has quit Minetest." from forum post
01:47 paramat     see http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2015-02-01#i_4138144
01:48 paramat     well c55 hasn't quit MT, he's just inactive
01:48 jSnake      ruben mentioned some dev quit
01:48 jSnake      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12997&start=25
01:48 paramat     if that even refers to c55
01:49 jSnake      don't think it was about c55
01:49 paramat     agreed
01:56 paramat     ah Zeno, http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2015-11-06#i_4443257
01:59 paramat     Zeno did indeed leave MT
02:04 jSnake      cool, thanks for the info paramat if you see this
02:56 scr267      p_gimeno: thanks
03:44 trom_       why  vma:area:index(pos) where pos have xyz as zero  give me ERR:  voxelarea.lua:36: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'z' (a nil value)
04:29 paramat     if you link to your code i'll take a look later
04:39 Nezrok      Hello again. Is sban abandoned? I found a bug in it, but it doesn't seem to have been updated in a year or so
04:55 ANAND       There were recent optimizations to sban, IIRC
04:55 ANAND       ...or was that sauth?
09:39 Astrobe     Hi, some custom trees seem to spawn on top of plants, or their first trunk node is replaced by a plant. What can be the cause of this?
09:45 p_gimeno    what plant?
09:45 p_gimeno    and what trees
09:51 Astrobe     Both are custom made, extracted from Farlands (for instance willow trees and giant grass)
10:42 p_gimeno    sounds like the growing code has bugs then
10:51 Astrobe     I have not seen it happen to default trees, so I'm suspecting a more "local" issue. Something like decoration registering order, or something about force_placement.
11:45 Astrobe     Is there a command line parameter to force server announcement? I don't want it in minetest.conf because I'm often switching between a test world and a public world for the same game.
11:46 p_gimeno    what I do in my server is have a different configuration file per world
11:46 rubenwardy  you could use another config using --config
11:46 p_gimeno    ^ like that :)
11:46 Astrobe     That should do it, thanks!
11:49 p_gimeno    MT really needs a per-world configuration file. Curiously I can't find any open issue requesting it.
11:49 rubenwardy  yes!
11:49 rubenwardy  it's in my todo list
11:50 p_gimeno    \o/
13:44 makayabou   when i refresh a formspec, label elements are updated but not field elements, what can I do for it?
13:48 makayabou   do I need to use sfinv? can't legacy formspec handle this?
13:48 rubenwardy  avoid implementing yet another inventory mod
13:49 rubenwardy  the field elements should be updated, not sure why they wouldn't be
13:49 rubenwardy  MT version/?
13:49 makayabou   ah ok . so it has to be with my code so.. 5.0.1
13:52 makayabou   please correct me if i'm wrong : all i have to do to refresh form , is to call it again with minetest.show_formspec inside callback (minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields) ?
13:53 rubenwardy  it depends
13:53 rubenwardy  if this is from sfinv, then no
13:53 makayabou   no, with classic formspec only
13:53 rubenwardy  then yes
13:53 makayabou   ok.. thank you very much
13:54 rubenwardy  as long as it's not set_player_inventory_formspec or a node formspec, then it's fine
13:54 rubenwardy  if it's the latter, then that callback isn't called anyway
13:57 makayabou   yes, it's in a external basic formspec. I'll review my code and find what's wrong...
14:34 makayabou   i don't really understand what happens.. I created a snippet to localize the functions but same behaviour, field does not update if change had not been validated. Here I have to ensure the value is a number, so when it's not, it should go back to the previous value... Here's snippet link : https://gitlab.com/garagenum/minetest_tools/lug9000/snippets/1851925
14:41 rubenwardy  if not formname:match("test_formspec") then    -->     if formname ~= "test_formspec" then
14:41 rubenwardy  match uses Lua patterns, which is like regex
14:43 rubenwardy  the type of myhp also changes
14:43 rubenwardy  you should also include the mod name in the formname
14:43 rubenwardy  modname:fsname
14:46 makayabou   oh yes sorry . match was a dirty copy-paste from another match("^(mymod:formspec_type))
14:47 makayabou   and formspec name in snippet was just a quick write, I usually follow naming with modname:formname
14:49 makayabou   about myhp type, yes original value should be "16" because it's taken from Settings
14:52 makayabou   and after I want it to be a number to check if it is between 1 and 16
14:52 ANAND       makayabou: Does the print statement print the correct value of myhp everytime?
14:52 makayabou   ANAND: yes
14:54 ANAND       So myhp is being updated, but the field displays the old value?
14:55 makayabou   that's it, and label element is being updated each time
14:56 ANAND       Weird o_O
14:56 makayabou   field displays the old value ONLY if I put a value in field that is NOT a number
14:57 ANAND       o_O x2
14:57 makayabou   if I put a number value, then field is updated as expected
14:57 ANAND       Aha
14:58 makayabou   that would be because the "new" value (that had been reset by callback) is the same than the initial value (first showed in field before hand-modification of field)
14:59 ANAND       That's probably because passing a string to tonumber returns a nil, and myhp = fields.hp isn't executed
14:59 rubenwardy  ah yeah
14:59 rubenwardy  you need to add random strings
14:59 rubenwardy  I had this issue
14:59 rubenwardy  if the formspec is the same, it is discarded
14:59 makayabou   yes that's it, let's try
14:59 ANAND       Wait, what?
14:59 rubenwardy  I did this by adding random spaces, I think
15:00 rubenwardy  oh no I didn't
15:00 makayabou   euh..let's try but how..?
15:00 rubenwardy  I added a random container
15:00 rubenwardy  "container[0," .. math.random() * 1000 .. "]container_end[]"
15:01 ANAND       MT discards a formspec if it's the same as the previous one?
15:01 rubenwardy  yes
15:01 rubenwardy  same name too
15:01 ANAND       What on earth....
15:02 rubenwardy  as in, has to be same name and FS
15:02 makayabou   it works !
15:02 rubenwardy  yay!
15:02 makayabou   thank you very much!
15:03 rubenwardy  yw
15:03 rubenwardy  really data and layout should be separate
15:05 makayabou   what do you mean?
15:08 rubenwardy  data = the values in formspecs     layout=the elements and styles
15:08 rubenwardy  so you can change the layout without deleting field contents
15:08 makayabou   separated like in different functions?
15:08 rubenwardy  and you can change values without sending layouts
15:08 rubenwardy  yeah
15:08 makayabou   i did that in the real code
15:09 makayabou   i think..
15:09 rubenwardy  the Lua code doesn't matter, it's the C++ that matters
15:09 rubenwardy  you still call show_Formspec
15:09 rubenwardy  which will resend the entire layout and clear and fields
15:10 makayabou   in my code i call a local mymod.gui and that function call show_formspec. does it make a difference?
15:12 makayabou   i guess no. I will have a look to !book#clean_arch and come back to you later. Thanks
15:12 rubenwardy  :D
15:12 rubenwardy  not technically
15:12 rubenwardy  like, nicer code
15:12 rubenwardy  but the engine does the same thing
15:12 ANAND       show_formspec still ends up stuffing a string into the client.
15:13 makayabou   yes, what else to update a formspec?
15:13 rubenwardy  I'm talking about engine modifications :P
15:13 rubenwardy  I'm a core developer who unfortunately has done too much formspec stuff
15:13 * ANAND     awaits this feature in 7.0.0
15:14 makayabou   ah ok!!!
15:14 rubenwardy  estimated year: 2033
15:14 ANAND       I'd have already introduced my great-grandchildren to MT :D
15:15 makayabou   and that's a good thing..
15:15 ANAND       Indeed :)
16:53 lllI1I      speaking of formspec stuff I've found very little in the area of themeing the GUI in the docs
16:53 lllI1I      apparently texture packs can change that but it doesn't explain how
16:53 rubenwardy  lllI1I: that will be in 5.0.1
16:53 rubenwardy  oops
16:53 rubenwardy  5.1.0
16:53 lllI1I      great
16:53 rubenwardy  you'll be able to do stuff like this:         style[button;bgimg;image.png]
16:54 rubenwardy  as for texture packs, you can use them to override any tectures used by formspecs
16:54 lllI1I      looking forwards to it, would that also work for like the entire look and feel of the UI elements?
16:54 rubenwardy  including the background texture in MTG
16:54 rubenwardy  no, it won't be universal
16:54 rubenwardy  because I cba for that
16:55 rubenwardy  formspecs need to die, this is just something before they do
16:55 lllI1I      one of the things that bug me about MT is that the GUI appears very uninspired visually
16:56 lllI1I      the style appears to be "sterile dark grey"
16:57 makayabou   Can I have multiple lines selected by default in textlist element of a formspec ? Is there some reverse of minetest.explode_text_list_event() ?
16:59 makayabou   can i use a list for <selected idx> in extlist[<X>,<Y>;<W>,<H>;<name>;<listelem  1>,<listelem 2>,...,<listelem n>;<selected  idx>;<transparent>]` ?
17:03 kurtzmusch  lllI1I thats because its an engine, servers are meant to customize it
17:04 lllI1I      yes I would like to customize it, but I haven't been able to find documentation on how that is done
17:04 rubenwardy  player:set_formspec_prepends
17:04 rubenwardy  you can set backgrounds and colors of some things
17:04 rubenwardy  you can't set button colors or styles yet
17:05 rubenwardy  but if you write the mods, you can make imagE_buttons
17:05 rubenwardy  worth waiting for or using 5.1.0-dev when the styles PR is merged
17:05 lllI1I      appreciate it
17:05 rubenwardy  PR :#8383
17:05 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8383 -- Add formspec styling using a style[] tag by rubenwardy
17:29 sfan5       !seen linuxdirk
17:29 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen linuxdirk around.
17:29 sfan5       !seen 4w
17:29 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen 4w around.
17:29 sfan5       hm
17:29 rubenwardy  I don't think he's on IRC
17:29 rubenwardy  surprisingly
17:29 rubenwardy  he has XMPP and a forum account
17:40 sfan5       the server resends custom hud values 60 times a second
17:40 sfan5       wtf
17:41 sfan5       actually just 30, still wtf
17:41 rubenwardy  holly what
17:41 rubenwardy  like, (custom hud) values?
17:42 rubenwardy  which would be hud_add huds, compared to   custom (hud values) which would be replacing builtin
17:42 rubenwardy  this would explain the network performance issues in CTF
17:42 ANAND       custom hud?
17:42 sfan5       just a normal hud_add
17:42 ANAND       That is bad
17:42 ANAND       O_O
17:42 rubenwardy  oh dear
17:49 sfan5       ok it's not minetest, it's a mod issue
17:50 ANAND       Whew... :D
18:12 sfan5       rubenwardy: have you lookined at wireshark to debug potential perf issues?
18:14 ANAND       I'll give it a shot too
18:14 ANAND       once I figure out how to get it working
18:25 rubenwardy  sfan5: there was a lot of mapblock fragments
18:25 rubenwardy  Like, pages
18:30 p_gimeno    what needs to happen in the forum for new users like me to be able to send PMs?
18:31 p_gimeno    I guess there's a minimum post count, any idea which?
18:37 rubenwardy  p_gimeno: I can approve it
18:37 rubenwardy  if you link your account
18:38 p_gimeno    do you mean like this? https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=24791
18:38 rubenwardy  thanks
18:38 p_gimeno    no thank *you* :)
18:39 rubenwardy  oh
18:40 p_gimeno    s/no/no,/
18:40 rubenwardy  turns out that "Remove from newly registered" doesn't do what I thought it would do
18:40 p_gimeno    oh? I can write PMs now
18:41 rubenwardy  oh can you?
18:41 rubenwardy  yay
18:41 rubenwardy  so it did
18:41 p_gimeno    yes it worked, thanks :)
18:41 rubenwardy  your rank is still "New member", hence my confusion
18:41 p_gimeno    ah that's normal I think, that depends on post count only
18:58 makayabou   with minetest.explode_textlist_event, I get an index number but how can I retrieve the value itself ??
19:00 rubenwardy  makayabou: you unfortunately need to save or regenerate the list
19:02 makayabou   ok I see. thanks
19:33 Fixer       ｍｉｎｅｔｅｓｔ　ｉｓ　ｄｏｉｎｇ
19:33 sfan5       nostalgia
19:56 kurtzmusch  whut?
19:56 kurtzmusch  p_gimeno whas that s/no/no,/ a search+replace thing?
19:57 p_gimeno    yes, a pseudo-sed command to fix my previous sentence :)
19:58 Calinou     those work out of the box on Discord :P
19:58 kurtzmusch  same as vim
19:59 MattJ       Calinou, as in, Discord automatically interpets when you type 's/A/B/' in a message?
19:59 kurtzmusch  discord botnet
19:59 Calinou     yeah (but /g isn't supported)
20:03 Astrobe     p_gimeno thinks that rubenwardy is an ex ;-)
20:29 est31       Fixer not doing
20:33 lllI1I      rubenwardy: where do I report potential bugs in CTF to
20:42 Krock       https://github.com/MT-CTF/capturetheflag/issues
20:42 Krock       ^ lllI1I
20:43 lllI1I      thanks, was hoping for not github but fair enough
20:44 Krock       !next
20:44 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
22:31 paramat     !tell Astrobe "some custom trees seem to spawn on top of plants, or their first trunk node is replaced by a plant". that's expected and caused by decoration placement order (determined by registration order) and/or the setting of 'force_placement'. notice MTG places decorations largest first
22:31 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when Astrobe is around
23:35 Antum       Is there a reason why I am quieted on #minetest-dev?
23:39 p_gimeno    I don't think so, are you sure you mean #minetest-dev and not #minetest-hub?
23:40 rubenwardy  Antum: I can't see you on the quiet list
23:45 Antum       This is the message if I try to change my nick while connected to #minetest-dev: "#minetest-dev :Cannot change nickname while banned/quieted on channel"
23:45 Antum       And this is the message if I try to say something in #minetest-dev: "#minetest-dev :Cannot send to nick/channel"
23:45 rubenwardy  try now?
23:46 Antum       The nick I usually use is "AntumDeluge".
23:46 Antum       Nope, still doesn't work.
23:46 Antum       Same message.
23:47 rubenwardy  try parting an re-joining
23:47 rubenwardy  +d
23:49 Antum       Nope.
23:49 rubenwardy  I don't know why this is happening
23:49 Antum       It's interesting though, because at the same time I have been quieted on some other channels that I usually am in.
23:50 rubenwardy  shadowbanned?
23:51 Antum       What is shadowbanned?
23:51 rubenwardy  idk, it would be weird
23:51 rubenwardy  well, say whatever you were going to say in here instead
23:52 Antum       Oh no, sorry. I didn't have anything to say at the moment. I was just trying to figure out why I was quieted. Any time I try to change my nick back to "AntumDeluge" it won't let me while I am quieted.
23:53 rubenwardy  maybe your client is borked?
23:53 rubenwardy  oh nevermind
23:54 paramat     using a proper client, not webchat?
23:54 rubenwardy  paramat: the cloak says so
23:54 rubenwardy  in /whois
23:54 rubenwardy  it's not webchat
23:54 AntumDeluge Ya, 6 channels I am quieted on. Once I parted from them I was able to change my nick.
23:54 rubenwardy  could be a weird chat bug
23:54 AntumDeluge I am using HexChat on Windows.
23:54 rubenwardy  I suggest asking in #freenode
23:54 AntumDeluge Good idea. Thanks.
23:54 rubenwardy  there's no staff members online ATM, according to /stats p
23:59 paramat     ok
23:59 AntumDeluge It turns out I was not identified for my nick. And apparently you must be identified in those channels because the +q option is set?