Time Nick Message 00:57 Xiong SFalcon American broadband sucks. In countries where monopoly ISPs are not protected, broadband services are cheaper, faster, and more reliable. 02:04 SFalcon Hey, I keep getting "connection timed out" errors on my server, when it seems to be running fine with no lag whatsoever. What could the source of this issue be? 02:06 ANAND One tends to get that error when they're connecting to the wrong address. Make sure you enter the correct address and port of your server on the client 02:08 SFalcon Aha, I know what error you're talking about, and I have run into before, but that's not the case, actually. I am able to get onto my server, but then after a couple of minutes I get timed out, when everything seems to be running just fine. 02:13 Xiong Ungood! 03:53 Xiong One last shot on the anchor issue before I move: https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/475 03:55 Xiong I'm surprised it's not used more widely... not a peep in five days. But then, if I ran a public server today, I'd be slow to hand them out. 03:57 Xiong Studyup shows a few comments. One fellow said he cranked the forceload limit to 1000 chunks and didn't feel it affected performance. But obviously this is YMMV territory. 04:39 Xiong World Anchor Experiment 01 http://imgur.com/gallery/ji8QqYj 04:45 Cornelia Restarting the app probably fails like that because the mod can only keep chunks loading when an anchor had been loaded in. If you relaunch the server and the anchor is out of range it isn't loaded in to keep chunks loaded. 04:45 Cornelia (Note: that's my best guess. :P ) 04:46 Xiong Cornelia That's my hypothesis too. The anchor can't load itself. 04:46 Cornelia Yep. The only way it could would to either have the mod save out chunk data containing the anchors and load them in on restart or scan the entire map file looking for anchors. 04:47 Cornelia s/Chunk data/anchor location/ 04:47 oiaohm Cornelia: scanning the complete map with the total size of minetest world is insanely processor heavy. 04:48 Xiong Seems to me that might be fixable. But maybe a stinky fix. Anyway, *knowing* a cause is a way to work around it. I may PR a change to user docs. 04:48 Cornelia oiaohm: never said it wouldn't be. 04:50 Xiong Next up are some timing runs while the app stays hot. That control ran one-third expected rate! A lesser issue but still annoying. 04:51 Xiong Meantime it's not too much to tour my anchors on foot after each startup. Often I'm already there... making this a heisenbug. Frustrating! 04:53 Xiong One could argue feature not bug. If a public server with dozens of anchors goes down, let the anchors stay down until touched ingame. 04:54 Xiong s/feature/undocumented feature/ 04:54 * Xiong teevee 07:14 Aarix Hey there, is this the appropriate place to ask for some troubleshooting help? 07:15 Ruslan1 Who 07:18 Aarix Trying to figure out why the character's legs are sinking through everything even with no texture pack. I can't find (or search properly) any issue like this on the forum and wanted to know if anyone ever experienced that. 07:30 Xiong Um... no_clip off? 07:33 Xiong Does this happen in a fresh install... no mods or other modifications? 07:33 Xiong From where did you obtain your install? 07:55 Xiong Aarix, those are not rhetorical questions. 07:57 VanessaE um, Xiong, he signed off half an hour ago. 08:02 Xiong VanessaE, hit and run eh? 08:03 VanessaE if signing off after 6 mins of no answers counts as such, then I suppose so :P 08:04 Xiong Yes it does. Instant is oatmeal. 08:06 Xiong I've waited five days for a single word about admin anchor... hours of studyup. Finally unraveled half the issue... depending on view. 08:06 * VanessaE shrugs 08:07 Xiong And I admit I got itchy but I don't laud my impatience. 08:07 Xiong Shrug at what? 08:08 VanessaE shrugging at the 5-days thing. I've waited far longer than that for some stuff. 08:09 Xiong Um... which is my point. Five minutes and part is hit and run. This isn't sth to debate, is it? 08:11 Xiong Moving on... I'm about ready to jump ship on current world. More lava than I remember, less mese block. And I asked myself earlier... why? 08:12 Xiong I figure v7 under whatever 5.0.0 build stu's got. 08:13 * VanessaE turns her attention back to anime and 3d printing... 08:15 Xiong Well what? Mad already? I haven't even set fire to the book yet. 08:17 Xiong I appreciate your suggestion to try v6 and also dreambuilder. Both got me over obstacles. But I'm beating myself silly trying to run on a phone. So I'm thinking a different direction. 08:19 VanessaE nah, just busy and not in the mood to argue. 08:24 Xiong Erm... not arguing I think. I don't have anything objective to offer other than the anchor test results... and with that done, my thoughts are largely freewheeling. 08:25 Xiong Have you seen this Joe's TechPack? https://github.com/joe7575/techpack/wiki 08:25 Xiong Have no experience yet so... hard to argue. 08:30 VanessaE I have seen it. looked interesting, for sure, but his latest "make machines wear-out/break" update is gonna kill it imho. 08:32 VanessaE (as mentioned in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19784&start=50 ) 08:34 * Xiong looks 08:37 Xiong Yah might want to disable that. Realistic in theory but drive you crazy trying to fix the toy while trying to fix the simulator. 08:40 Xiong I find especially interesting the his controllers refer to device nodes by address. This is exactly where my head went a week ago. Remember you and I discussed a saner signalling system than mesecons? I had an idea but it was basically stupid... filling space with wires. 08:42 Xiong Not clear but I think Joe requires all controlled items to be connected via some path via his special nodes. So modeling the network and monitoring for change remains manageable... maybe. 08:42 Xiong I think I'll try it. Find out if sucks or rocks. Can't hurt. 08:43 VanessaE if it could drop-in-replace technic, and work with pipeworks, I'd be all over it 08:58 Xiong Well nothing will do that. Too complex, too much legacy. And to what end? 08:59 VanessaE speed. 09:00 Xiong The whole team works together now: pmt. You want my HO, merge the projects. 09:00 VanessaE technic is slow as molasses on Mars in the cold season 09:00 VanessaE huh? 09:00 Xiong The way I read Joe, he's replacing all of pmt... in a cut-down form. 09:02 Xiong He has transport, signaling, and working machines. Does not equal pmt in power or complexity but occupies the same conceptual space. If it runs smoothly, the price may be worth it. 09:03 VanessaE pmt? 09:04 Xiong Pipeworks-mesecons-technic. Like bacon-lettuce-tomato. Sure you can skip one and eat a LT sandwich but why? 09:05 VanessaE didn't make that connection. 09:05 VanessaE well I'm quite partial to pipeworks and mesecons, but technic can just go away :P 09:05 Xiong Well. I didn't think it original thought. 09:07 Xiong Sorry they're a team. Each requires the other two... for reasons. Certainly technic explicitly depends on lettuce and tomato. 09:08 Xiong Everyone has an opinion. I think technic is awesome but just can't click... disturbing weirdness distracts from play... like the anchor stuff. 09:10 Xiong Pipeworks is right on but why? System can handle dozens of chests all over the map, thousands of stacks of loot. But who needs that kinda loot except a would-be nuke builder? 09:12 Xiong Mesecons is the idiot child drooling at the end of the small table but it's the only way I've seen to get p and t to communicate. By itself you have little more than open-sesame doors and cobble generators. No wait you need p for that too. 09:14 Xiong So I said, for my money, roll all three together in one project. Hence the appeal of Joe's thing. 09:15 VanessaE hm 09:15 VanessaE perhaps. 09:16 VanessaE but technic-mesecons-pipeworks is heavily entrenchedf. 09:16 VanessaE -f 09:16 VanessaE there's no displacing them without backwards compat 09:16 VanessaE at least at the node level 09:17 Xiong Nono, there's no replacement here. Joe is obviously breaking his own trail. 09:18 VanessaE oh well. 09:18 Xiong Much smaller project. Dustbuster, not giant industrial shopvac. 09:20 Xiong Really much smaller if you rope in the other depends and quasi-depends. I wouldn't run pmt without six other mods. 09:24 Xiong I see no merit in some pmt whole-body replacement. Reminds me of Being John Malkovich 09:59 Xiong If any manufacturer sells a straight Debian phone I will pay any price. 10:01 Xiong Needs to sandbox Android, fool Netflix into thinking phone's not rooted. 10:03 Xiong I have always considered myself a hardware dog, never a software jock. But the world has changed. Now I rank availability of a working shell somewhere between air and tobacco. 11:20 majochup hi ANND 11:21 ANAND Hey 12:43 Xiong Has anyone installed stu's: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21526 12:43 Xiong If so, how? Any issues? 12:46 rubenwardy uninstall any existing app, download it, open it using a file manager, approve install from unknown sources, install 13:00 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix installed modpacks not being found correctly 137d7ccf5 https://git.io/fhLRk (152018-12-30T12:26:44Z) 13:05 SFalcon Hey, I finally got everything working correctly on my server, and I just came here because I want to thank anyone who helped me set this up, because honestly, I couldn't have done it without your assistance. Thank you. 13:11 Xiong rubenwardy Yah all that. 13:14 Xiong Dunno about "file manager". Android seems to have no native file manager. I have several third-party gadgets and rely on Ghost Commander... grandbaby of Midnight Commander. I have tried tapping the notification itself and tapping the file from the Downloads app baked in. No joy. 13:15 Xiong I successfully sideloaded a 0.4.x build some time ago 13:17 Xiong So yeh previous install gone, sideloading enabled... the obvious bases all touched. Has anyone successfully run this day-old build? 13:19 Xiong Hahaha! I've been trying stuff for two hours, finally hit! 13:21 Xiong All teh internets agree with you rubenwardy. But the real tool is called "Package installer". 13:22 rubenwardy well yes, that's what you use to install packages 13:22 rubenwardy but Chrome doesn't allow you to open package installer from the downloads menu 13:23 rubenwardy or the notif 13:23 rubenwardy which is why you need to find the download with a file manager 13:23 Xiong The file was never lost. 13:25 Xiong The point is that everyone assumes the default action just works... and maybe should, maybe I broke it. I had to search every single app on my phone... including the internal hidden stuff... in alphabetical order. Android stinks. 13:27 Xiong And thar she blows! The white whale! 13:29 Xiong There isn't really a downloads menu so much as a rinky-dink app. Tap a file and it tries to find an app that'll handle it. I had to uninstall my text editor... guess the idiot said let's try this. No choice offered. Android stinks. 13:31 rubenwardy is this chrome? 13:31 rubenwardy because Chrome used to open APKs in package installer like it should 13:31 rubenwardy however it has since changed to ignore the existence of the package installer, for securety reasons 13:31 rubenwardy Android is great :) 13:31 Xiong You mean the web browser?? 13:32 rubenwardy what web browser are you using? 13:33 Xiong I cycle around. Never mind. If Chrome ever had the ability to invoke an installer directly, I long since cut its balls off. 13:35 Xiong Glad you're happy rubenwardy but I found happiness on Linux and despise everything about Android... starting from it being advertised as based on Linux. I consider it a ripoff and a corporate plot 13:35 rubenwardy Android isn't based on Linux 13:35 Xiong Not to start a war! 13:35 rubenwardy it's based on the Linux kernel, not GNU/Linux 13:35 Xiong I agree! 13:35 rubenwardy so you won't see any similarities 13:35 Xiong But that's how it was sold. 13:37 Xiong I hate being stuck in a box. I say it's my machine... I paid full price cash. 13:39 Xiong Ha. I can't even root the thing, so far as I know. Netflix now refuses to run on rooted devices. I'm sure Steamboat Willie is glad to hear that. 13:42 Xiong However I am gradually pulling up the floorboards and knocking out the walls. I have a shell, not too powerful; and the OFM mentioned. I assume I knocked out a loadbearing member if all the sideloading how-tos failed. 13:45 Xiong Anyway thanks rubenwardy++. Your advice wasn't new but helped renew my rage for one last stab... and that's what it took to lash Moby Dick to the side! 13:45 * Xiong goes to cut blubber 16:59 Giorge Hello dear Minetesters 17:01 Giorge Where you dont expect it a fellow emerges 17:01 majochup wdym 17:01 Giorge That you joined 17:03 majochup lol i am here a lot Giorge 17:03 Giorge Me too old friend 17:06 Giorge Wb 17:07 majochup old friends? 17:07 majochup w.d.y.m 17:08 Giorge Im being dramatic 17:16 majochup :l 17:18 Giorge Look at that 17:18 Giorge Hi 17:19 _Lucy hi 17:20 majochup hi 17:38 Giorge Hello 18:04 Giorge Hello 18:04 SFalcon Heya 18:04 Giorge Wi 18:05 Giorge *welcome in 18:05 SFalcon Quick question: When I close the command prompt (where I run the server and commands) is my server SUPPOSED to be shut down with it? 18:05 SFalcon Just want to know if I always have to keep it open 18:05 Giorge Never had a server to know. Wait for a mod to respond 18:09 Giorge Ping sb 18:09 Giorge Greetingd 18:12 SFalcon Huh, looks like my server is having issues even starting at all... 18:12 SFalcon Will send a pastebin 18:13 Giorge Whats your server? 18:13 Giorge Curiosity 18:13 SFalcon Ah, it's private right now 18:13 SFalcon But when released, it will be called "Falconville" based off of Gabosburg and Craig's Server 18:13 Giorge Oh ok nevermind 18:13 Giorge Forgive me 18:14 Giorge Interesting 18:14 Giorge I might pass by 18:14 SFalcon Haha, it's alright. Curiosty is allowed :P 18:14 BurningPrincess /remove_player is not removing players with the error "No such player to remove" 18:15 Giorge Lively today isnt it? 18:15 Giorge Many talkative minetesters. Yay 18:15 BurningPrincess So, what can fix that 18:15 Giorge Ping a moderator 18:16 BurningPrincess Erm. Me and the other players are admins on the server we are tting to use it on 18:16 BurningPrincess *other player 18:16 Giorge I mean in this channel 18:17 BurningPrincess Oh, errm. Who is one? 18:17 Giorge Random example rubenwardy 18:18 SFalcon Calinou, Krock, Sfan 18:18 Giorge Vanesa 18:18 SFalcon https://pastebin.com/0gA5S8AV 18:18 SFalcon Ah yeah, Vanesa 18:19 BurningPrincess Erm. IPlease can some mod help? 18:19 Krock Just want to know if I always have to keep it open 18:20 Krock yes you have to keep it open since the command prompt is the parent process 18:20 SFalcon Alright 18:20 SFalcon Check my pastebin, I got an error when loading it up, and now I can't get onto the server at all 18:20 BurningPrincess So, how can /remove_player be fixed? 18:20 BurningPrincess Like, how can I get it working? 18:20 Giorge Maybe i can help here princess 18:20 Giorge Is this in a mod? 18:21 SFalcon I'd like to help, but I don't exactly know what it is... 18:21 Giorge It must be areas mod 18:21 Krock BurningPrincess: check upper/lowercase. That command directly calls to remove_player which was tested to remove players 18:21 SFalcon That makes sense 18:21 Krock note that it doesn't remove the auth 18:22 * BurningPrincess nods 18:22 Krock SFalcon: https://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting#.E2.80.9CServerEnvironment::loadMeta.28.29:_EnvArgsEnd_not_found.E2.80.9D 18:22 Krock RTFM 18:23 BurningPrincess Nope. Still not working 18:23 BurningPrincess Still got "no such player to remove" 18:23 SFalcon "RTFM" 18:23 Granny_Giorge Oof 18:23 SFalcon Queue the Roblox Death sound 18:26 Krock BurningPrincess: well, that means there's no such player. what's the issue? 18:26 SFalcon Thank you krock, 10/10 will rtfm next time lol 18:27 Giorge Rtfm such a beauty of a word 18:27 BurningPrincess Krock: its weild as I am sure that player existed (as they logged in under that name and sban shows them up 18:27 Krock SFalcon: in the case of 11/10 where you can't find it in the manual, I'll point you to the right location ;) 18:27 Krock Giorge: a bit offensive, though. 18:27 Krock BurningPrincess: well then, somebody removed it 18:28 Krock also delete the auth if you want to free the nickname 18:28 BurningPrincess Thanks 18:28 Giorge Did i offended you. Didnt mean to 18:28 Krock yw 18:28 Giorge Offend* 18:28 BurningPrincess Just nuking a users many altds 18:28 Krock Giorge: no, not at all. I meant the RTFM abbreviation which is a bit offensive 18:28 Giorge Oh oh ok 18:28 BurningPrincess I have an idea: Can you limit how many names a user can have? 18:28 Krock !mod names_per_ip 18:28 MinetestBot Krock: Names per IP [names_per_ip] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9768 18:28 Giorge On fact i have no idea what it means 18:29 Giorge In 18:29 Krock Giorge: Read The Fukin Manual 18:29 Giorge Oog 18:29 Giorge Off 18:29 Giorge Oof 18:29 Giorge Lol 18:29 Giorge Didnt expect that 19:08 Giorge Afk