Time Nick Message 00:00 sfan5 uh 00:00 sfan5 no, should be working fine 00:00 sfan5 which IP and port are you hosting this on? 00:00 cddepppp256 Port 30100 00:01 cddepppp256 And 75.8.100.181 00:01 sfan5 !up 75.8.100.181:30100 00:01 MinetestBot 75.8.100.181:30100 seems to be down 00:02 sfan5 looks like it can't reach your server 00:02 SFalcon Anyone here have a working download of TenPlus's Simple Skins mod? 00:02 cddepppp256 I restarted it so I think that's why... it has dreambuilder 00:03 cddepppp256 should be in a few seconds 00:03 cddepppp256 *should be up 00:03 cddepppp256 should be up right now 00:04 sfan5 oh yeah, it's announcing over IPv6 00:04 SFalcon Oh, hi sfan. 00:04 sfan5 put server_address = 75.8.100.181 in your config 00:05 sfan5 (because the server list expects Minetest to listen on your IPv6 when you announce via IPv6) 00:07 cddepppp256 Server is started 00:07 cddepppp256 Thank you! 00:08 SFalcon Does anyone have Simple Skins downloaded? I'd assume someone running a server would... 00:11 SFalcon cddeppp256, is your server public? If so, I would like to play. 00:13 cddepppp256 Yes, but there's not really going to be much to do! (You can still join anyway, but don't put too much time into it!) 00:13 SFalcon Alright, what's the IP? 00:13 cddepppp256 75.8.100.181 port 30100 00:14 SFalcon oof, it's telling me something about a protocol mismatch. 00:14 SFalcon protocol version mismatch* 00:15 Xiong https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/475 baffles me, the lack of comment. Surely such a tool holds interest? 00:15 cddepppp256 oh it's on 5.0.0-dev! 00:16 cddepppp256 are you running that? 00:16 SFalcon ah, no 00:16 SFalcon I was running 4.17.1 00:16 SFalcon brb 00:16 cddepppp256 ok 00:18 SFalcon where can I download this new version? 00:44 Ruslan1 !up 75.8.100.181:30100 00:44 MinetestBot 75.8.100.181:30100 seems to be down 00:57 Xiong I mumbled about this topic previously and thought a visual aid might be useful: Technical Lava Work https://imgur.com/gallery/JTESUFA 04:47 Cyber #minetest 04:47 Cyber Hello 04:48 Cyber Anyone know a good multiblock api? I can't find one that makes sense. 05:20 Cyber Welcome 05:43 GreenDimond Cyber: If you mean multiple blocks making up one machine, take a look at technic or digtron 05:43 GreenDimond actually just digtron 09:48 Cyber So I am working on a mod. I have the ores in the game but minetest.register_ore isn't working for some reason 09:59 Cyber So I am working on a mod. I have the ores in the game but minetest.register_ore isn't working for some reason 16:41 scr267a Does Minetest's rollback feature work even on a postgresql backend? I turned it on and I noticed its created a rollback sqlite file. 16:52 sfan5 the rollback always uses a separate database which is always an sqlite file 19:34 scr267a Ruslan1: What is ahmi? 19:35 Krock hdmi but spelled horribly wrong 19:37 scr267a Krock: hum... im not sure thats it... though. I went onto ruslan1's server and got messages from Mototank@ahmi 19:37 scr267a so its another server i think. 19:38 GreenDimond Joke: Missed. 19:38 Krock another server or IRC network 19:38 scr267a but I can't find it in the list. 19:38 scr267a yes 19:38 scr267a thats what i was asking Ruslan1... :) Somehow I think he would know since they seem to be connected 19:38 Krock *IRC channel or even on a different network 19:39 scr267a yea 19:54 Ruslan1 scr267a: I’m here 19:54 majochup also 19:55 majochup guys 19:55 majochup any of you ever noticed that cyberbullying is a big problem in MT/IRC? 19:56 Ruslan1 Who me 19:59 Ruslan1 !tell scr267a I’m here 19:59 MinetestBot Ruslan1: I'll pass that on when scr267a is around 20:03 majochup ye 20:14 Xiong o/ 20:15 majochup hi 20:15 Xiong majochup A majority of players are a problem in all public games. 20:15 majochup wdym? 20:18 Xiong Infested with kids without social or technical skills. All they can do is whine, beg, steal, wreck, and harass. It's a good day when one does something as simple as a miserable cobble hovel. 20:19 majochup o 20:20 Xiong Oh and lack of patience. Raised on the glass teat, constant stimulation and instant reward. 20:20 majochup true 20:22 Xiong The ones who rise from that class develop enough attention span to try for saboteur or mass killer. Read the news. Ingame malfeasance is our least concern. 20:27 Xiong Last time I was actually inside the walls of a public school I was horrified. Difficult to distinguish from junior jail. Condemn a kid to 12 years of that and tell me how the criminal injustice system is a deterrent? You gotta get in, it's the cold familiar place. Three hots and a cot. 20:28 Xiong Garbage in, garbage out. 20:28 majochup what 20:28 majochup the 20:28 majochup peep 20:29 DoyleChris hello i am having problem trying to make TNT in multiplayer 20:29 Xiong I offer more or less obvious solutions to ingame player interaction issues... if you like. 20:29 majochup yes Xiong 20:29 Xiong DoyleChris Probably disabled. 20:29 DoyleChris How do i enable it 20:29 majochup but in the netherlands schools are not such a bad place as you describe em 20:29 DoyleChris i did this code /set -n enable_tnt 1 20:30 DoyleChris and i stil cant make it with 5 gunpowder and 4 planks 20:30 majochup the only criminal things that ever happend on my school were light stealing (pencils and such) copying, and thats it 20:30 GreenDimond DoyleChris: Why 1? Its probably a true/false value 20:30 DoyleChris well off is 0 on is 1 20:31 GreenDimond Thats nice 20:31 GreenDimond enable_tnt is a true/false value 20:32 Xiong First, localize chat. No reason to allow players who can't see each other hear each other. You can set up a more complex system with longer range for trusted players, private channels by ingame "phone". 20:33 majochup ok 20:33 DoyleChris I have tried every combo to make it 20:33 Shara majochup: if you had issues on any specific servers, best to report to the moderators/admins of that server 20:34 Xiong The larger the audience the greater push to grandstand... for some... the greater pressure to remain silent... for others. Man did not evolve as a society of thousands. 20:34 Shara If the staff on a server don't care about it... then maybe it's not a great server to spend time on 20:36 majochup ye 20:36 majochup thats why i play most on CTF 20:36 majochup and CitySim 20:36 Xiong Second, random spawn. Fewer physical interactions mean less conflict. The floating nametag must be range-restricted too... 20:37 Shara Most of the long-term serious MT servers have rules against bullying/personal attacks and so on 20:38 Xiong majochup yes Shara means well but I'm unconvinced it's a good use of time to complain; better to go directly to plan B and exit. 20:39 DoyleChris any ideas 20:40 Shara Xiong: If you quit every MT server the moment someone behaves badly and give the team no chance to respond, better not to play on servers at all :) 20:40 Xiong Either admin is indifferent or trying to put out the fire one match at a time. Few seem to think along efficient, comprehensive lines. 20:42 Xiong Shara, I don't believe a good mechanical game can be played badly... in the sense of cheating or misbehavior. 20:42 Shara Nice assumptions. Most admins I knew care a lot about these things. Not all of course. 20:42 Shara But no interesting in debating with you. 20:42 Xiong It's up to the machine to set limits on what players are able to do. 20:43 Xiong Yes, some care; that's my case #2 above, firemen rushing about with their hoses. 20:43 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood 20:43 majochup yes in CitySim the nametags are above the skin 20:44 Shara Well, I was running servers for over three years, and it seems I run them well enough that problems are minimal, so I'll stick with my own approach. 20:44 Xiong majochup And visible at any distance? 20:44 majochup well only if u see the player 20:44 Xiong That's better. 20:44 majochup but if there are 2 blocks in front i cant 20:45 Xiong No that's fine. 20:45 Shara If you set too many restrictions on players, it's boring for players. A good balance between restrictions and moderation is usually important, and a lot depends on the type of server as well. 20:45 majochup ye 20:45 Xiong Shara, perhaps you have a more systematic approach. So you outperform the average. 20:47 Xiong I try not to depend on excellence. I get into enough trouble relying on mediocrity. I swear most are below average. 20:48 Shara Perhaps. I make sure to have protections against things like liquid grief and so on, and also limit most mesecons use to a priv. A spawn point that forces people to read rules and show they can follow basic instructions before they get to play also helps a great deal. 20:48 majochup true 20:48 Shara But some forms of bad behaviour, especially attacks on other players, are hard to handle well unless you have enough moderators in game 20:49 Shara If you start resrticting chat, you also limit people's ability to ask for help. So it's about balance. 20:49 Shara restricting* 20:50 majochup cya! 20:51 Shara See you majochup :) 20:51 Xiong Here the supermarket offers a pickup service as well as delivery. Customer drives into parking lot and phones special number: I'm here! and clerk pushes order out and loads. Great!... ? I spent six months fighting with clerks, managers, and reps over the fact that nobody reliably answered the special number. 20:52 scr267 Ruslan1: Hey, I was visiting your server :) 20:52 scr267 Ruslan1: Just wondering what ahm1 or ahmi is? 20:53 Xiong I mean hell. For a bare minimum performance. If you don't answer the phone you can't sell that customer. Took six months and untold fuss to locate one store in the chain and three clerks who figured it out. 20:54 Xiong Shara, what help should anyone require? 20:55 Shara For? 20:56 Xiong Are we having a convo? You mentioned asking for help. 20:56 Shara I wasn't asking for help. 20:57 Shara But players often need help. 20:57 Xiong 1249 If you start resrticting chat, you also limit people's ability to ask for help. 20:57 Xiong So. 20:58 Shara Okay, let's say you are worried about how players interact 20:58 Shara So you restrict chat in some way 20:58 Shara But a new player wants to ask for help 20:58 Shara Maybe they don't know how to choose a skin, or how to use a certain mod 20:59 Xiong Well choose one okay? 20:59 Shara You've made it more difficult for players to bully each other... but also more difficult for them to help a new player 20:59 Shara It's just an observation, Xiong. 20:59 Shara It shows why restrictions aren't always the best approach. 21:00 Xiong No... shows lack of concentration. 21:00 Shara Well you can interpret it as you wish. 21:00 Shara I don't have time or willpower to debate meanings with you. 21:02 Xiong I'll pick then. Not hard to point new players to a page of info about the server... I'd think that rather basic. The page should document the system, including mods, in outline. Easy to link out for detail. 21:03 Xiong Given such page, anyone who whines... I don't know how to craft a steel pick... can be allowed to wallow in his ignorance and foolishness. I see no need to spoon feed anyone. 21:04 Xiong There's no debate. My meaning is clear to all. 21:06 scr267 I find that when I started out on minetest, asking for help from other players was the natural thing to do ... 21:07 scr267 some people learn by reading docs, but some others will learn from interaction and experiencing things. 21:07 Xiong Random spawn and restricted global chat means no help for new players until they master sufficient basics and motivation to hike to visit someone else. They may come to do harm but by then you've eliminated the bulk of the antisocial elements. 21:07 Xiong scr267 Both docs and experiment ate valid approaches. 21:07 Xiong ... are.... 21:08 scr267 I also added 'interaction' 21:08 Xiong I need to ask others when the system itself is broken. 21:09 Xiong Obviously a good working system demands less of that. 21:09 Shara Godo luck have instructions that work for all age groups and all languages then. 21:09 Shara Good* 21:09 Krock > all ages 21:09 Shara What is perfectly clear to one person might not be to another. 21:10 Xiong Dunno are you guys confused about what I wrote? I didn't say Disable chat. 21:10 Krock "6 yo kiddo: that's where you're wrong" 21:10 * Krock vanishes 21:11 * Shara pokes Krock-the-ever-helpful 21:11 Xiong Yes; there are few feasible ways to put hard age gates on anything online but why open a day care center? 21:12 Shara Xiong: Do you run a public server? 21:13 Xiong You and I disagree because I think failure is important. If failure is impossible then so is success. 21:13 Shara Please don't make ridiculous assumptions. Failure is always possible. :) 21:13 Xiong I have. Right now I don't think I can even play MP. 21:13 Xiong Well I prefer a lot more failure than you do. 21:14 Shara You have no idea what I prefer 21:14 Xiong Ah... you've said much. 21:14 Shara And you've misinterpreted much. 21:15 Xiong I've said much, too. I've said anyone who whines to me about an inability to search a kilometer radius from his spawn can go fish. 21:16 Xiong You've indicated otherwise. That's the distinction I highlight. 21:16 Shara No, I really haven't. 21:16 Shara I've simply provided scenarios where certain things need to be balanced. 21:17 Xiong Yes. And my fulcrum is not near yours. 21:17 Shara You've chosen to interpret them as my personal stances, which they aren't in all cases. My server isn't targetted for children, for example. 21:18 Xiong I prefer a challenge. I prefer to offer a challenge. If most balk, fine. 21:18 Shara Oddly, I am no different. I just understand that that isn't the only approach. 21:20 Shara Anyway, I have things to do. Bye for now. 21:20 Xiong I dislike asking for help of any kind in a game... or granting it. It's next door to cheating. Real life is a little different. I help willingly... but even so, there's a bar. Failure makes success possible. 21:20 scr267 To be fair: I like the other approach, don't spend too much time reading docs and just get into it and ask for help when needed... I'll explain why: 21:20 scr267 Minetest for me was initially just basic "escape" - a short break time. 21:21 scr267 Now it's a bit different. 21:21 Xiong Good. 21:21 scr267 But at that point in the beginning, I just needed a few minutes of fun here and there... I didn't really want to go and spend time perusing the net just to figure out how the game worked. 21:21 scr267 other players were kind enough to offer the assistance I required to get going... 21:21 scr267 Its great when there is doc that covers it all though :) 21:22 scr267 But it certainly isn't going to work for everyone. 21:22 scr267 Just my 2 cents 21:25 Xiong Okay. 21:26 Ruslan1 Hi scr267 21:28 Xiong And I joined a server, moved a few km from spawn, and experimented. Did as much as I could without any studyup. One admin wandered out to check on me. I asked about obvious bugs and less obvious weirdness. 21:29 Ruslan1 scr267: did you join my server 21:29 scr267 Hi Ruslan1: Yes, I did 21:29 Ruslan1 Ok 21:29 scr267 I was just wondering what were the other servers connected to the chat? 21:30 scr267 I got a message from Mototank but he wasn't in game 21:30 Xiong I did eventually studyup but I took the world for what it was for some time. It's not really hard to figure out the primitive operations... and coordinating them is the game 21:31 Ruslan1 scr267: it just like different connections of server and one irc 21:32 Xiong scr267 Please don't misunderstand me; I don't claim your social view is somehow factually wrong. I merely disagree with it. I prefer a technical view and think it morally good. 21:33 scr267 Ruslan1: Sure I figured, I just wondered which it was... are they all you servers? 21:33 Ruslan1 No 21:34 Ruslan1 scr267: I have only one server 21:35 scr267 Ruslan1: Oh ok, so your server is connected by chat to other servers? 21:36 Ruslan1 Yes 21:38 scr267 Ruslan1: Which ones?? I was looking for Mototank and was curious where he was. 21:38 scr267 I didn't see them in the list. 21:38 Giorge Havent been here in a while. I wanted to thank you rubenwardy. Your advice about MT app problems helped me and a friend a lot 21:38 rubenwardy Yw! :D 21:38 Ruslan1 Amhi 21:39 scr267 I looked it up in the list and couldn't find it... 21:39 scr267 is it there? 21:39 scr267 Oh yeah i see it now 21:39 scr267 never mind. 21:53 Giorge Greetings 22:06 Giorge Im off cya all Minetesters 22:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04stujones11 -> 03minetest/minetest: Update README.android with current build info (#8026) 13badecfa https://git.io/fhIaB (152018-12-28T22:31:09Z) 22:58 oiaohm what is the story with minetest.org? 23:00 rubenwardy It's a site ran by someone who has been excluded from the community for various reasons, including spamming, harassment and doxing 23:00 rubenwardy Here's some context: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2018-11-27#i_5446137 23:09 oiaohm rubenwardy: the site was seaming suspect but it was better ask in case a site change was going on. 23:09 oiaohm Thanks. 23:11 rubenwardy Yeah, unfortunately our founder cheaped out on the domain, resulting in the .com and .org being grabbed by other people 23:12 rubenwardy Minetest isn't an ISP or networking company 23:14 oiaohm and usa domains don't have au domain rules. 23:15 oiaohm rubenwardy: https://www.domainregistration.com.au/infocentre/info-domain-cybersquatting.php if it was a org.au domian you would be able to perform this against the minetest.org domain at least and get that domain. 23:22 oiaohm Even so most of the USA domian companies have rules against sitting on domain names pretending to be someone else. 23:23 oiaohm Being cheap on domain name aquirement does not mean you have to put up with other attempting to appear to be a fake copy of main project. 23:23 oiaohm It is something to consider.