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14:11 vtold            VanessaE, help me with the voice privs pls.
14:12 VanessaE         you have to auth with nickserv before joining the channel to get it.
14:13 VanessaE         (to get it automatically)
14:14 vtold            I'll check my password again
14:21 Unarelith        guys I have a really weird issue, I'm making a barrel to compost saplings into dirt, so the first clicks fills the barrel and consumes saplings, and the last click adds the dirt block into the player's inventory
14:21 Unarelith        and the latter doesn't work when the player rightclicks with a dirt block in his hand
14:21 Unarelith        code: http://paste.gnidmoo.tk/xahameduve.lua
14:22 Unarelith        I don't understand how this could be possible
14:27 Krock            what's "idx"?
14:27 Krock            ah.. you're animating by replacing the node?
14:28 Unarelith        yep, I don't know any other way to do that :/
14:30 Krock            https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/furnace.lua#L306-L322
14:30 Krock            except you're changing the shape too
14:30 Unarelith        but I'm wondering if my issue above isn't engine related
14:31 Unarelith        I mean, it makes no sense
14:31 Krock            well, you'll also have to use that on_rightclick function for the animated nodes
14:31 Unarelith        that function is the same for all the nodes from 0 to idx
14:31 Unarelith        *0 to N - 1 sorry
14:31 Krock            do you use minetest.swap_node ?
14:31 Unarelith        yes
14:32 Krock            > and the latter doesn't work
14:32 Krock            what doesn't work? dirt doesn't get added? the callback isn't called?
14:32 Krock            add print("debug_line82394789") in between to see whether the callback works as expected
14:32 Krock            or minetest.log if you want
14:33 Unarelith        Every function is called, I checked with minetest.log, but dirt isn't added ONLY if I right click the node with a dirt block in my hand
14:33 Krock            isn't the dirt block put in front of the compost? as in regular placement
14:34 Krock            you're also replacing the clicker's stack by returning the itemstack
14:34 Krock            it would work if you right-click the compost with 99 dirt
14:35 Krock            otherwise you overwrite the inventory slot by "return itemstack"
14:35 Unarelith        omg, let me try something
14:36 Krock            just add "return" between L16 & L17
14:38 Unarelith        damn, still doesn't work
14:39 Unarelith        I also tried to move the "return itemstack" at then end of the if
14:39 Unarelith        But nothing changes, weird
14:39 Krock            imoment
14:39 Unarelith        would make sense though
14:40 Krock            local add_to_inv = itemstack:add_item("default:dirt")
14:40 Krock            if not add_to_inv:empty() then .. same as for "default:dirt" before but with "add_to_inv" now .. end
14:41 Krock            because add_item returns the leftover stack in case it cannot be added
14:41 Krock            pls send me to the moon if that doesn't work
14:43 Krock            Unarelith: need a code sample?
14:43 Unarelith        you're actually adding the dirt block to the itemstack, I'm trying to add* it to the player's inventory :/
14:43 Krock            same
14:44 Krock            the itemstack will go to the inventory too
14:44 Krock            since it's what the clicker uses
14:44 Unarelith        but what if this is a sapling itemstack?
14:44 Unarelith        oh
14:44 Krock            then it will use the "add_to_inv" stack
14:44 Unarelith        wait, I got it
14:44 Krock            :D
14:52 Unarelith        ok, so it worked, but it creates another issue: if the player already has a dirt stack in his inventory, and if your hand is empty when rightclicking, it will create a new dirt stack in the inventory instead of adding the new dirt block to the existing stack
14:52 Unarelith        I really find it weird that moving `return itemstack` makes no difference
14:55 Unarelith        the full node code is here btw: https://github.com/Quent42340/FromScratch/blob/master/fs_barrel/barrel.lua
14:57 Krock            well then.  local add_to_inv = not itemstack:is_empty() and itemstack:add_item("default:dirt")
14:57 Krock            if add_to_inv and not add_to_inv:empty() then ..
14:58 Unarelith        sure, but feels a bit hacky :/
14:58 Krock            maybe yes, but it's two lines and works
15:00 Unarelith        true
15:02 Unarelith        thanks a lot btw
15:05 Krock            !next
15:05 MinetestBot      Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:05 Krock            yw :)
15:44 Genshin          For those who want to see what I've been recently working on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDfUyYP3maE
15:47 Krock            til Minetest is a 3rd person action game
15:47 Krock            amazing animations
15:49 Genshin          Thank you, been working hard on detail and animations lately. hope it paid off :)
16:23 exio4            that's some pretty mad mod
16:25 Unarelith        do you know if it's possible to keep original node texture with minetest.swap_nodes?
16:26 Unarelith        I'm making infested leaves, and that would be the easiest way to keep the original leaves texture when converting to infested leaves
16:34 Gael-de-Sailly   texture depends on the node
16:34 Gael-de-Sailly   if you change the node name, the texture is changed accordingly
16:35 Gael-de-Sailly   what you can do is registering another node with the same texture
16:36 Gael-de-Sailly   or using metadata to store whether the leaves are infested or not
16:41 Genshin          Nodes should have their own property table. i can
16:42 Genshin          *I can't say it's not possible to do*
16:44 Genshin          If you can swap a texture or mesh of a entity in a conditional script, im pretty sure you can make the texture swap for the node to work. however you may need to find a way to store the property that was swapped.
16:46 Genshin          though usually the easy way out to make infestation is by replacing the node with another.
16:49 Krock            I think there's already a PR for items to change the image but that causes some more overhead for all items which don't have changed properties
16:50 Genshin          speaking of properties, it's a shame that registered tools don't have glow implemented yet.
16:51 Krock            pardon.. tools?
16:51 Krock            nodes emit light. do you want entities to emit light?
16:51 Genshin          not emit light, but glow
16:51 Krock            entities can already glow
16:51 Genshin          im aware that you can add glow to entities
16:51 Krock            ...so?
16:51 Genshin          however not for wieldeed items
16:51 Genshin          *wielded*
16:52 Krock            wielded items are entities btw
16:52 Genshin          hmm, I got an Idea now. thank you for clarifying it Krock
16:52 Krock            np yw :)
17:18 Genshin          yep, got it working now, lol
17:19 Genshin          i forgot wield3d generates a entity, facepalm
17:20 Krock            heh :D
17:20 Krock            !next
17:20 MinetestBot      Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:22 Genshin          looks like i can give items aura or firey effects, hmm
17:23 * Genshin        gets a closer look to the possibilities.
18:57 thetoolman       hello, anyone here with some knowledge on pipeworks and digilines?
18:57 thetoolman       or know who i can ask a question from?
18:58 thetoolman       i'm trying to get the digiline injector node to pull from a digilines chest and i'm just not geting what is going on
18:58 Hawk777          What, specifically, is the problem?
18:59 thetoolman       well i've been going through filter_injector.lua and putting prints trying to find it out. looks like it's trying to put the table that i'm sending it as a filter into its filter queue but i'm not seeing anything past that
19:00 thetoolman       and unlike memory, it doesn't return a status
19:00 thetoolman       i've tried it with a string and a table
19:00 thetoolman       for string i just sent it "default:cobblestone"
19:01 thetoolman       and for a table i send it {name="cobblestone",count=1}
19:01 thetoolman       but no aknowledgement and no cobblestone
19:02 Hawk777          Have you tried it with a normal chest instead of a digiline chest? IMO it makes sense to sort out one problem at a time. If you’re having trouble with a filter-injector, make the rest of the environment (i.e. the inventory it’s pulling from) as simple as possible (i.e. a normal chest).
19:02 Hawk777          I don’t have Minetest available at this moment to test with, so I’m limited to reading the code and making guesses.
19:03 Hawk777          Also, this is the Digiline Filter-Injector, right? Because it looks like, from the code, the other filter-injectors don’t speak digilines at all?
19:03 thetoolman       yes this is the digiline filter injector
19:03 thetoolman       trying it atm with a regular chest
19:06 thetoolman       yeah still nothing
19:06 thetoolman       i'm putting in some more break points
19:08 Hawk777          It looks like, if you send something that’s neither a string nor a table as the message (maybe a number or nil), it should act like a mesecons activation, so just use the filter’s internal configuration to decide what to send. But if you send a string or table, then it does the more complicated thing.
19:08 Hawk777          For the table case, I imagine you might want {name="default:cobblestone",count=1}, not {name="cobblestone",count=1}.
19:10 thetoolman       ok wow. a number makes it send
19:11 thetoolman       ok cool, thanks. that gives me somehting to work on this with
19:11 thetoolman       also, i've been trying to figure out how to check the status of a digilines chest instead of counting what goes into it
19:12 thetoolman       i haven't seen anything that allows me to do that, but if i were to build it into something, what would i call to retrieve the inventory as a table?
19:13 Hawk777          I don’t think you can.
19:13 Hawk777          The digilines chest is the closest tool available for that purpose, but you have to keep track of the inventory yourself, it just tells you about additions and removals.
19:14 Hawk777          If you’re ever unsure about the contents of the chest, you can always dump everything out and then put it back in (in an automated way, obviously) while recording the additions and then you’ve reconciled.
19:22 Unarelith        sorry Gael-de-Sailly I missed your answer earlier! I'm actually using `default:leaves`, `default:jungleleaves`, etc... as base items. I made an item `fs_core:infested_leaves` but it'll be a pain to add manually each type of infested leaves, that's why I was looking for a way to change `fs_core:infested_leaves` dynamically, depending on the original leaves type
19:25 thetoolman       hey so i tried to print a variable in a mod and it came out as userdata: hash
19:26 thetoolman       doing this with a luacontroller in mesecons
19:26 thetoolman       or actually nvm that, im triggering it with a lua controller but this comes from print(var) in the mod
19:27 Gael-de-Sailly   Unarelith: so you can use the node metadata
19:28 Gael-de-Sailly   I'm trying to find a simple example of code using them
19:28 thetoolman       but is there a way for it to dump that 'userdata' reference?
19:29 Gael-de-Sailly   thetoolman: I was speaking to Unarelith. I don't know much about mesecons, sorry
19:29 Unarelith        Gael-de-Sailly, this is the node I'm talking about: https://github.com/Quent42340/FromScratch/blob/master/fs_core/infested_leaves.lua
19:33 Gael-de-Sailly   so if you colorize the texture, this is not exactely the same texture
19:33 Gael-de-Sailly   so you can't use metadata
19:35 Gael-de-Sailly   I think the only way to do this is to register each combination of leaves type and "infestedness" value in a double loop
19:35 Hawk777          thetoolman: a userdata object in Lua is vaguely like a pointer to a C++ object (given that Minetest is written in C++). It doesn’t have a structure you can navigate using standard Lua tools.
19:37 Hawk777          If you know which sort of userdata it is, then there are probably functions exported by the C++ API that you could use to do things with it, but you would have to know what it is.
19:38 Hawk777          doc/lua_api.txt in the Minetest source tree will be your friend for further exploration there.
19:38 thetoolman       what about when a print gives  me a table: hash?
19:38 Unarelith        Gael-de-Sailly, a function to retrieve all nodes info from a group would be really useful then since I'm only working on `group:leaves`
19:38 Unarelith        I don't know if something like that exists
19:39 deltasquared     is there an internal limit on how many craftitems can be registered? I was pondering an idea to fake images for tools made from parts by registering every combination ahead of time, but I realised that could quickly get very stupid
19:39 Hawk777          thetoolman: a table is table, so you can iterate through it with pairs and print its keys and values.
19:39 deltasquared     Unarelith: would iterating over the registered_nodes table one time and then caching that not work?
19:39 thetoolman       thx
19:40 Unarelith        deltasquared, seems like a lot of changes for a single texture swap
19:40 deltasquared     Unarelith: I don't follow
19:40 Krock            the limit of items is your memory and patience while loading the game
19:40 BillyS           Meep
19:40 rubenwardy       thetoolman: print(dump(t))
19:40 deltasquared     oh look out, a wild corium blob
19:41 BillyS           Yay, delta!
19:41 rubenwardy       deltasquared: 62000 ish, I think
19:41 Krock            rubenwardy: no. that's for nodes
19:41 Krock            and it would be 32k
19:41 BillyS           Where is the repo for your bolling ball / sponge mod?
19:41 BillyS           *bowling
19:41 rubenwardy       oh right, because items don't use cIDs
19:41 BillyS           *mods
19:41 Krock            ^
19:41 rubenwardy       and half of the space is reserved for unknown nodes
19:41 deltasquared     BillyS: https://github.com/thetaepsilon-gamedev/ , there are in there
19:42 BillyS           Ah, thx
19:47 Ruslan1          Hi
20:10 deltasquared     Krock: I guess then the only recourse would be to stress test it to see what happens when one registers a crapton of items
20:23 rubenwardy       ping timeout, it appears
20:23 Alexand{er|ra}   Wow. I must be tired. I almost wrote this into my code: "minetest.get_player_by_name(name):get_player_name()"
20:25 rubenwardy       lol
20:27 Alexand{er|ra}   I keep leaving the Minetest client open by mistake and not noticing it. It used to be that if I left the client open (even in the main menu), my machine would overheat. These days though, the client's optimised enough that as long as I'm not actively doing anything in the game, I can usually get away with the client running.
20:28 rubenwardy       few days ago I mentioned overheating problems
20:29 Alexand{er|ra}   Huh. Maybe it's not fixed then? Maybe it's just my machine then.
20:30 rubenwardy       I have an XPS13, they're renowned for overheating due to how slim they are
20:30 rubenwardy       it's fine on other games though
20:31 Alexand{er|ra}   It's annoying how singleplayer mode bypasses protection. It makes it difficult to test code that relates to protection.
20:31 rubenwardy       other games are more single cored than Minetest, that could be why
20:31 rubenwardy       is this with areas?
20:31 rubenwardy       you need to add  `give_to_singleplayer = false` to privs in areas/init.lua
20:32 Alexand{er|ra}   Oh, great. I forgot that when running in server mode, you automatically get *all* the privileges, including the one that bypasses protection. I need two clients to test protection code. That's stupid.
20:33 rubenwardy       I can revoke protection_bypass from myself
20:33 rubenwardy       oh wait
20:33 Alexand{er|ra}   Okay, that's done with a privilege in singleplayer too? Sweet. Fixable then. Thank you!
20:33 rubenwardy       you're using 0.4.17.1?
20:33 rubenwardy       *0.4.x?
20:34 Alexand{er|ra}   Works perfectly now.
20:34 Alexand{er|ra}   rubenwardy: Yes to both.
20:36 Alexand{er|ra}   I think I'm about ready to get a server up now. The only thing I'm missing is ... an Internet connection.
20:36 Krock            Alexand{er|ra}: @ the player name getter: This is not wrong if you check the object against non-nil first so you can ensure the player is online
20:36 Alexand{er|ra}   That might be kind of important.
20:37 Krock            Alexand{er|ra}: no problem. just use IPoAC
20:37 Krock            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
20:37 Alexand{er|ra}   Krock: Good point. I only need to know who they are though. It's for a protection mod.
20:37 * Krock          shamelessly advertises for simple_proteciton
20:38 Alexand{er|ra}   Krock: Huh. IPoAC might be a bit slow for a gaming connection.
20:38 Krock            oh yes indeed. but disregarding the latency it has a good data throughput
20:38 Alexand{er|ra}   Krock: It's actually server-specific protection, not usable by players. For regions of the world I want to reserve for administrative use.
20:39 Alexand{er|ra}   I suppose it does. You could put a lot of data on a bird, with data storage compactness being what it is today.
20:43 Unarelith        is it possible for a node to have some kind of "subnodes"? for example, my barrel can contain liquids and blocks so I'm thinking it could be useful to separate the content rendering from the barrel itself instead of creating nItems * nStates nodes
20:44 Alexand{er|ra}   Unarelith: If the textures are different, that's not possible for now.
20:44 Krock            Unarelith: add a basic barrel and put the stuff in as objectrs
20:44 Krock            *objects
20:44 Alexand{er|ra}   If it's a closed barrel, you could use key/value pairs in the node's metadata.
20:44 Krock            ...or just an inventory
20:44 Unarelith        it's an open barrel, that's why I'm talking about content rendering
20:45 Unarelith        and it's not an inventory, it's a composting barrel
20:45 Alexand{er|ra}   Yeah, you'll either need separate nodes or you'll need entity objects like Krock said.
20:45 Krock            entities for demonstration: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SmallJoker/stapled_bread/master/screenshot.png
20:45 Krock            works perfectly for decorative purposes
20:46 Alexand{er|ra}   Is that the mod about stapling bread to the wall, ha ha?
20:46 Krock            yes
20:46 Krock            requires 5.0-dev, though.
20:46 Krock            !mod stapled_bread
20:46 MinetestBot      Krock: Stapled bread to trees [stapled_bread] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20215
20:47 Alexand{er|ra}   Aw. I guess I won't be able to staple bread to my trees like that. How ever will I get by?
20:48 Krock            stapling entire bread is hard indeed
20:48 Alexand{er|ra}   It only works with farming bread, but you have two bread types ... Does 5.0.0 have two types of bread then?
20:49 Krock            oh. I thought it uses raycast but actually it doesn't. -> 0.4.x compatible
20:49 Krock            inb4 the mod registers "bread slice"
20:49 Krock            can be crafted using regular bread
20:57 Unarelith        <Alexand{er|ra}> Unarelith: If the textures are different, that's not possible for now. <= is it planned btw?
21:00 Krock            déjà vu
21:02 deltasquared     well I wrote a mod registering a million items and my system hard locked
21:03 deltasquared     but only on integrated GPU. discrete one (heaps more VRAM among other things) handled it fine
21:03 deltasquared     I suspect there's a bug in my gpu drivers for that to happen
21:03 VanessaE         damn man
21:03 VanessaE         poor minetest
21:03 Alexand{er|ra}   Unarelith: I don't think so.
21:03 deltasquared     erm brb channel glitch
21:04 rubenwardy       it is planned, but won't happen unless someone works onit
21:04 Alexand{er|ra}   Oh. Never mind then.
21:04 deltasquared     VanessaE: apparently registering one item per possible texture combination for a tinkers construct type mod is a bad idea
21:04 deltasquared     500,000 was fine, 600,000 and everything caught fire
21:05 Alexand{er|ra}   deltasquared: You say that like fire's a bad thing. Wasn't it the goal?
21:05 Alexand{er|ra}   Fire is always the goal.
21:06 deltasquared     Alexand{er|ra}: but muh gaming rig
21:06 * Alexand{er|ra} starts digging through gravel, looking for flint
21:06 Unarelith        deltasquared, you're the author of melterns?
21:06 deltasquared     Krock: so in conclusion, not only is loading time a factor, but past a certain point and things catch fire
21:06 deltasquared     Unarelith: no, but thinking of contrib at some point
21:06 deltasquared     because I loved tinkers construct
21:07 Unarelith        same haha
21:07 deltasquared     but I don't love minecrap any more. :P
21:07 Unarelith        same hahahaha
21:44 BillyS           Hmm, is there a way to remove all nodes from the map below a certain limit?
21:45 Krock            /deleteblocks
21:46 Krock            or custom scripts
21:47 BillyS           custom scripts as in directly editing the map.sqlite file, or writing a mod?
21:48 BillyS           Actaully, I could probably just do it with one huge minetest.delete_area
21:48 BillyS           Wait, minetest.delete_area doesn't force the block to re-generate, does it?
21:48 BillyS           Krock: ^
22:04 Krock            yes, yes and yes
22:04 Krock            for latter: yes, it doesn't force-load AFAIK
22:25 BillyS           Ok, thx