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10:59 MinetestBot    02[git] 04basicer -> 03minetest/minetest: Allow enter to select items from combobox's list (#7351) 132b83af7 https://git.io/fNg3G (152018-07-28T10:58:16Z)
10:59 MinetestBot    02[git] 04ClobberXD -> 03minetest/minetest: Log server shutdown using actionstream (#7589) 13e8aad2e https://git.io/fNg3Z (152018-07-28T10:58:02Z)
12:19 yusf[m]        Hey. Is it bad to put node timers on all leave nodes? Better or worse than using ABMs? :D
12:22 VanessaE       not as long as you don't start them until needed
12:23 VanessaE       plus once a timer expires, that's it, whereas an ABM keeps on repeating so long as the node exists.
12:25 yusf[m]        Hmm okay. I want to spawn particles from them occasionally. ABMs sounds like it would get the job done
12:30 yusf[m]        What I want to do would require node timers to be active all the time. Perhaps better then to run ABMs on very long intervals?
12:35 VanessaE       just depends on what oyu'r
12:35 VanessaE       ...
12:35 VanessaE       just depends on what you're actually doing.
12:45 rubenwardy     yusf[m], VanessaE: node timers are better than ABMs usually, however it's a throw up between memory and CPU
12:45 rubenwardy     node timers take a bit of memory per node
12:45 rubenwardy     whereas ABMs take up CPU for all blocks, as it needs to search for the nodes every interval
12:45 VanessaE       a toss-up*
12:46 rubenwardy     5.0 will have some performance improvements on this - ie: ABMs won't search a mapblock again if it knows it doesn't have the nodes it's looking for
12:46 rubenwardy     sure
12:46 rubenwardy     as a general rule, if most mapblocks won't have this node then use a node timer
12:46 rubenwardy     so, grass  =>  ABM
12:46 rubenwardy     furnace => node timer
12:46 rubenwardy     not sure about leaves, I think MTG uses a node timer
12:47 VanessaE       they use a timer triggered by trunk removal.
12:47 rubenwardy     oh right
12:47 rubenwardy     well, that's another thing - they don't need to run every interval
12:47 rubenwardy     only after an event
12:47 VanessaE       right
12:47 rubenwardy     makes sense for a timer
12:48 rubenwardy     but yeah, avoid doing work you don't need to do. As VanessaE said :)
12:48 VanessaE       I'm good at avoiding work ;z)
12:48 VanessaE       ;)
12:48 rubenwardy     XD
13:17 yusf[m]        I see. Though the event in this case then would simply be that a player is pretty close to the node, within ~50 nodes.
13:51 yusf[m]        Thanks for your input VanessaE rubenwardy
15:14 Andrey01       can i use escape consequences in formspec? for example, i want the text to be splitted into several lines
15:15 Andrey01       for example, can i make it so: "button[1, 1;1, 4;O\n".. "p\n".. "e\n".. "n\n".. "#1]"
15:16 Andrey01       i`ve tested and it doesn`t work
15:16 Andrey01       are there any other ways to do that?
15:18 rubenwardy     minetest.formspec_escape
15:19 rubenwardy     "button[1, 1;1, 4;" .. minetest.formspec_escape("O\np\ne\nn") .. "]"
15:19 rubenwardy     buttons may not support newlines, however
15:24 Andrey01       thx
15:56 Andrey01       rubenwardy, it doesn`t work
15:57 rubenwardy     buttons don't support multiline text then
15:57 Andrey01       then should i set a button in horizontal orientation?
16:02 Andrey01       devs, are you planning to add new mobs in future versions?
16:03 rubenwardy     yes
16:03 rubenwardy     not soon
16:04 Andrey01       what mobs do you want to add?
16:04 Andrey01       just interesting
16:04 rubenwardy     https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1667
16:04 rubenwardy     !title
16:04 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Mobs · Issue #1667 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
16:06 Andrey01       oh, no, only don`t add mobs from mobs redo, add own mobs
16:06 Andrey01       i consider this should be mod
16:11 piesquared     Run!
16:12 Andrey01       don`t add please from mobs redo, add own mobs
16:13 Ruslan1        Hi piesquared
16:24 Andrey01       i`ve read that Github discussion and at the end paramat said he will add mobs, but what will be?
16:28 Andrey01       and devs add please a chance to create mirrors, is it impossible now, though?
16:29 * rubenwardy   sighs
16:34 Andrey01       homedecor mod has bathroom mirror, but it can not mirror indeed, will you add this possibility?
16:38 Andrey01       so will you not add mobs from mobs redo?
19:45 hmmmm          y0
19:45 hmmmm          has OldCoder been around these parts lately?
19:45 hmmmm          he CCed me on another crackpot email a few days ago and that usually coincides with an oldcoder sighting on this chan
19:46 sfan5          around here? no
19:47 sfan5          but as you said, he showed some activity a few days ago
19:47 hmmmm          what was his last nick?
19:48 sfan5          no idea
19:48 sfan5          he's k-lined so hasn't been around freenode for a long time
19:50 hmmmm          yeah, well deserved k-line at that
19:50 hmmmm          problem is that he has 500000 proxies to bypass that
19:51 hmmmm          l0de if you know him does a talk show on efnet every so often, we're gonna try to get him to call into it
19:51 hmmmm          we think OldCoder is part of the so-called freenodegate spam
19:52 hmmmm          ya
19:52 hmmmm          I told him about the most recent email because he got referenced a few times
19:52 hmmmm          he accused l0de of DDoSing
19:53 hmmmm          OldCoder drama >> LandMine drama
19:53 Krock          Accusations are sadly not a new occurrence
19:55 hmmmm          yeah he began with accusing us all of ddosing him
19:55 hmmmm          lol we just code
19:56 Out`Of`Control you 2 are feeding troll
19:57 sfan5          hmmmm: in what way are you involved with l0de? o.O
19:57 hmmmm          he's not a troll, he's mentally insane but not deserving of any sympathy because of how he tries to damage everybody
19:57 hmmmm          sfan I know of him just from being on efnet for a while
19:58 hmmmm          he's a cool dude
19:58 sfan5          that "we" made it sound like more than that
19:58 sfan5          i see
19:58 hmmmm          he never spammed anything, that's some people from #stress that hate his guts trying to get angry people to call into his show
20:00 rubenwardy     Oh, I thought he was associated with oc
20:02 hmmmm          nah but if l0de does manage to get a hold of him and convince him to call into the radio show
20:02 hmmmm          shit's gonna be hilarious
20:04 hmmmm          anyway
20:04 hmmmm          anybody here going to defcon?
20:05 rubenwardy     Unfortunately no
20:05 rubenwardy     Going to freenode's conference though
20:06 rubenwardy     Which happens to be in Bristol, UK   :)
20:06 hmmmm          yeah most of my minetest peeps are in europe
20:06 hmmmm          darn :/
20:06 hmmmm          would be cool to meet up
20:07 rubenwardy     https://rubenwardy.com/freenode-live/
20:07 rubenwardy     Where is defcon?
20:07 hmmmm          las vegas
20:07 hmmmm          nevada, united states of america, planet earth, solar system "sol"
20:07 hmmmm          galaxy "milky way"
20:08 rubenwardy     Sounds like an expensive weekend
20:08 sfan5          but fun
20:08 hmmmm          yeah it could be expensive if your work doesn't cover it
20:08 hmmmm          nowhere nearly as bad as blackhat briefings
20:08 rubenwardy     If I get the same job as my internship, they might
20:12 rubenwardy     Not even a goodbye
20:13 rubenwardy     How rude
20:13 Krock          +b
20:13 Krock          + /s
20:16 rubenwardy     I'm planning on going NYC or SFC at some point
20:20 rubenwardy     And maybe Toronto
20:21 rubenwardy     Canada is nice, it's like the US but as if it was created by the British
20:21 rubenwardy     Everyone's so polite there
23:01 paramat        hi hmmmm :)
23:26 MinetestBot    02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add protocol_version and supported package types to ContentDB urls 1314011bd https://git.io/fNgiK (152018-07-28T23:26:03Z)