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12:32 MinetestBot  02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Camera: Improve subpixel movement (#7319) 13d5d248c https://git.io/vpSCw (152018-05-12T12:30:52Z)
12:32 MinetestBot  02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Run detach callbacks on player leave 139dd432c https://git.io/vpSCr (152018-05-12T09:50:04Z)
12:51 andirc8000   is there a way to generate an endless forest? (is there such map generator?)
12:52 andirc8000   'flat' works but eventually if I walk far enough the forest ceases and desert/plains begins
12:53 andirc8000   'flat' works (after a few tries) but eventually *
12:54 Shara        Do you want endless forest, or endless flat forest?
12:54 andirc8000   Shara: endless flat forest
12:54 andirc8000   no hills, cavities
12:55 Shara        Then use flat and make something to deregister all other biomes?
12:55 andirc8000   Shara: what about 'deserts'?
12:55 Shara        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L821
12:56 Shara        unregister them
12:56 Shara        You could also make a mod that starts with clear_registered_biomes() then register a single biome that is forest
12:57 Shara        then whichever mapgen you use, you'll only get that biome everywhere
12:58 * andirc8000 reading https://wiki.minetest.net/Biomes
12:58 Shara        That's just a list of biomes. It won't help you change them
12:59 Shara        lua_api is what you should read :)
12:59 andirc8000   Shara: ye but first I must understand what a biome is :)
12:59 Shara        Ah, okay :)
13:28 edoput       hello people
13:29 edoput       is there anyone that can help me use the new settings api?
13:33 sfan5        what is that you need help with (specifically)
13:40 edoput       yeah, I got a warning on using minetest.setting_get for my mod but the newer api is not described
13:41 edoput       I've seen the lua_api.txt in  master and the minetest.settings:get("bla") fails on getting the default setting
13:43 sfan5        it fails?
13:43 edoput       it returns nil even if I've set a default on the value
13:44 sfan5        how are you doing that?
13:44 edoput       the setteingtypes contains `statsd_port (Port of the receiving server) int 8125`
13:45 edoput       but using minetest.settings:get("statsd_port") returns nil
13:45 edoput       which is very strange
13:46 sfan5        I don't think settingtypes is read for the default value
13:46 sfan5        and this works with the old api?
13:46 edoput       that's how I did for another mod using the previous api
13:47 edoput       let me check
13:56 edoput       yeah it works with the minetest.setting_get
13:56 edoput       very puzzled
13:56 Krock        to get default values, you'll need an entry in defaultsettings.cpp
13:57 Krock        settingstypes.txt is only a visual help for the Advanced Settings menu
13:59 edoput       I know the wiki is not to be trusted but that's the only thing that minetest.setting_get does http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.setting_get
13:59 edoput       and I think is really important to have this
14:00 sfan5        !api
14:00 MinetestBot  Someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
14:00 sfan5        ^ official reference
14:00 sfan5        (dev.minetest.net is also official, but you can only 100% rely on lua_api.txt)
14:01 edoput       yeah I know but maybe there shouldn't be a warning to upgrade if the api is not compatible
14:01 sfan5        the thing is I haven't seen setting_get ever do this
14:02 sfan5        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=settingtypes.txt&type=
14:02 sfan5        if you look here, none of the code responsible for the Lua API (that would be C++), is even aware of that file
14:08 cimbakahn    Ok.   If you put a torch next to an ice brick it will melt.  What about lights?  Will lights make ice brick melt too?
14:08 edoput       but that doesn't mean anything, it the api returns a table to the engine then it can read configuration
14:09 edoput       and the fact that minetest.setting_get does exactly that is a sane way to configure mods
14:10 sfan5        but it doesn't
14:11 sfan5        unless you have some custom wrapper to make it behave like that, setting_get won't ever care about settingtypes.txt
14:12 edoput       but it does
14:13 edoput       I can submit a bug report with examples if you like
14:13 sfan5        please do
14:14 edoput       and my saturday is gone, btw thank you for your help
14:24 Krock        cimbakahn, it only melts next to lava IIRC
14:24 Krock        however, this depends much on the mods which are installed
14:38 cimbakahn    I decided to put a glo stone on top of one and it did not melt.  I remember from the past just sticking a torch on the ground right next to one would make it melt.
15:05 andirc8000   when can I register/deregister biomes in my mod in version 0.4.16? (I see that minetest.register_on_mapgen_init is available only in 0.4.18+)?
15:05 andirc8000   is it possible at all in 0.4.16?
15:05 andirc8000   ohh sorry it was 0.4.8+
15:06 Krock        you can clear all registered biomes
15:21 andirc8000   so where is the right place to register/deregister biomes (hopefully before the map is generated by the mapgen)? I tried: https://hastebin.com/uqeyotoveq.lua and the logfile appears to be empty e.g. no biomes are yet registered in 'minetest.register_on_mapgen_init' callback
15:21 andirc8000   didn't find this via googling either
15:26 Krock        that's not how you use minetest.log. Replace it with minetest.log("action", "text foo bar covfefe")
15:28 Ruslan1      Hello
15:29 Krock        hi Ruslan1
15:29 paramat      andirc8000 there is a way, i'll explain. which forest biome do you want?
15:30 Ruslan1      !f
15:30 andirc8000   paramat: all of them
15:30 Ruslan1      !t
15:30 paramat      so only forest biomes ok
15:31 andirc8000   paramat: e.g. I want only biomes of type: 'Coniferous forest' , 'Rainforest',  'Taiga', 'Jungle' and none other to exist in my generated world
15:32 andirc8000   paramat: so I want to remove biomes of all other types before the terrain is generated
15:32 paramat      yes a mod with 'minetest.clear_registered_biomes()' as first line, then ..
15:33 andirc8000   paramat: or any other way to achieve the desired outcome (which is: I want only biomes of type: 'Coniferous forest' , 'Rainforest',  'Taiga', 'Jungle' and none other to exist in my world)
15:33 paramat      hang on ..
15:34 paramat      copy-paste the desired biome registrations from https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/18956c7f69bd7783b657b50201ab6938f3480282/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L534
15:34 paramat      into your mod after the 'clear'
15:35 Krock        andirc8000, btw, there's also the dump(obj) function. pass anything to 'obj' and it'll convert whatever it is to a human readable string
15:35 paramat      that should do it
15:35 Ruslan1      Nice
15:35 paramat      your code in the hastebin is unnecessary
15:37 paramat      then use the mod in the flat mapgen
15:38 paramat      or yes alternatively unregister all other biomes
15:38 paramat      as explained
15:38 paramat      (without a clear)
15:39 paramat      make sure to also copy-paste the dunes/shore/ocean sub-biomes for each forest biome
15:40 paramat      for example you can see 'coniferous forest' actually consists of 3 biomes stacked vertically
15:41 andirc8000   paramat: your explanation is too 'deep' for me to 'grasp'
15:41 paramat      and rainforest has a swamp
15:42 paramat      well it's just copy-paste
15:42 andirc8000   paramat: all I want as a first try, is to _not have_ deserts or any other open areas in my newly generated worlds
15:42 andirc8000   I like em' dense' with trees is all
15:43 andirc8000   paramat: ok, swamp maybe is a little bit of a problem but lets assume that for starters I'm ok even with that
15:44 paramat      hang on, i'll write the mod for you since it's easy ...
15:45 andirc8000   paramat: so for starters, does my algorithm sound ok to you at all: I want to 1) generate a new world via 'flat' mapgen. 2) remove in my mod all the biomes that are non-trees 3) hopefully achieve trees-only flat world
15:49 andirc8000   Krock: ok thanks
15:49 Krock        np
15:49 paramat      create a mod with 'default' in the depends file and this as the init.lua file: https://gist.github.com/paramat/a155efe0d0c9b6fb760165f9871baba4
15:49 Shara        andirc8000: you don't need any algorithm. Just unregister biomes you don't want.. I provided the information for this earlier
15:50 Shara        You really just need a simple mod that has minetest.unregister_biome(biome_name).. then the biome is gone
15:51 paramat      then choose flat mapgen when you create a new world, and enable that mod in world configuration before entering that world
15:52 paramat      also, please be more patient on IRC
16:10 andirc8000   paramat: ok sorry if to hasty I tried your mod it doesn't work I still see desert.
16:10 andirc8000   too hasty *
16:11 paramat      did you enable the mod in world config?
16:11 andirc8000   paramat: if irc is too problematic maybe I should ask in the forums instead ...
16:11 andirc8000   paramat: well I suppose I'll ask in the forums
16:11 Shara        andirc8000: add default mod as a depends
16:12 paramat      IRC is ok. i don't know why it doesn't work, you must have made a mistake :)
16:12 paramat      ^^
16:13 andirc8000   paramat: is it *ok* to ask in forum though? (and cross-link from here?)
16:14 andirc8000   paramat: convo gets *too heated* and I'm not *native english* speaker so I suppose I better formulate my thoughts vs. real-time sentences exchange
16:14 paramat      yes, ask in the 'ask mapgen questions here' thread
16:14 paramat      in 'modding discussion'
16:15 paramat      did you set the depends file to 'default'?
16:22 entuland     quick curiosity: renaming / cloning a world is just matter of renaming the folder / copying over the folder with a different name, correct?
16:22 entuland     I just tried it and it seems to work, should I be altering any data file inside the folder accordingly?
16:23 entuland     cause I don't see any option to rename the world from the main menu
16:23 paramat      andirc8000 the mod works for me (testing)
16:23 entuland     I found posts like this but they're a bit old: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13551
16:27 paramat      oh i did make small mistake, updated gist andirc8000
17:41 Wuzzy        hey all. does minetest.get_objects_inside_radius take the obeject's collisionbox into account?
17:41 Wuzzy        i mean, how does it determine if an object is "inside the radius"?
17:42 sfan5        vector.distance(pos, object:getpos()) <= radius basically
17:42 Wuzzy        does it simply compare pos with the pos (=center) of the object? or is it smarter than that?
17:42 Wuzzy        :(
17:43 Wuzzy        i like to figure out how to detect object-object collision efficiently
17:43 Wuzzy        e.g. arrow vs mob
17:44 Wuzzy        my bow mod hilariously fails often when i shoot arrows at mobs because i only do such a primitive check
17:44 Wuzzy        the problem is this doesnt account for the different mob sizes :(
17:44 Wuzzy        minetest 0.5.0-dev does not have on_collide for objects yet, right?
17:46 Krock        no, that doesn't exist yet because it would require some threshold until a collision callback is called
17:46 Krock        otherwise it just spams Lua with callbacks
17:50 Wuzzy        :(
17:51 Wuzzy        i agree, a raw callback for collisions would not really work, there must be a better way
17:52 Wuzzy        maybe enable collision notifications only for particular entities for which the modder KNOWS it is needed (e.g. for arrows)
18:54 andirc8000   ehh, so eventually settled for this: https://hastebin.com/burilajifi.lua
18:55 andirc8000   probably useless to post this on forums
18:56 andirc8000   the mistake was that I indeed didn't include 'depends.txt' with the value 'default' and in that case minetest.registered_biomes table was empty.
19:11 andirc8000   thanks for all the help so far :)
19:14 paramat      weird way to do it, and don't forget 'deciduous_forest'
19:16 paramat      well actually, it's not weird
19:16 paramat      quite clever