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06:09 hisforevr Hi I really would like to keep using minetest but I'm getting this error with all my mogs that worked great before I had to reinstall minetest/ here is the debug.txt file past https://pastebin.com/Vvw40uSp  ?
06:09 hisforevr mogs =mods sorry
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06:40 IcyDiamond Lol
06:45 BuilderMT IcyDiamond: could you help me with the systemd problem (AndroBuilder)
06:45 IcyDiamond Huh?
06:46 lumberJuice hello BuilderMT
06:46 BuilderMT hello lumberJuice
06:48 BuilderMT for some reason i cannot start the MT server with the systemd .. the only "warning" i get is "cannot find directory" but no idea what directory and if i copy the execStart command in the terminal ... it works just fine
06:48 lumberJuice did you end up compiling mt?
06:48 BuilderMT yes
06:48 lumberJuice into a directory in your home dir?
06:49 BuilderMT yes
06:49 lumberJuice do you want to pastebin your minetest .service file. maybe i can spot the problem
06:52 IcyDiamond BuilderMT: try setting WorkingDirectory= to the directory the server is in
06:53 IcyDiamond BuilderMT: and set User= to your user
06:56 BuilderMT the pastebin link is above
06:57 BuilderMT here it is again (without the status print)
06:57 BuilderMT https://pastebin.com/zwP60fcD
06:57 IcyDiamond WorkingDirectory=/home/pi/minetest
06:57 IcyDiamond do that
06:57 IcyDiamond idk if it makes a difference but you can try
06:58 lumberJuice i don't even use working directory in my .service file
06:58 IcyDiamond hm
06:58 lumberJuice i just list the directories like you have it in execstart
06:58 BuilderMT i will try
06:58 lumberJuice might need to be ./minetestserver
06:58 IcyDiamond idk it looks like it should work
06:58 lumberJuice instead of just minetestserver
06:58 IcyDiamond ?
06:59 lumberJuice https://hastebin.com/olimaxojap.ini
06:59 lumberJuice this is the one i use for my server
07:00 IcyDiamond ./ is unnecessary
07:00 IcyDiamond you use ./ when you want to run something from the current dir in a terminal
07:01 IcyDiamond . means current directory
07:01 IcyDiamond do ls .
07:01 IcyDiamond :P
07:01 BuilderMT what about the "After" in line 2
07:02 IcyDiamond should be fine
07:02 IcyDiamond BuilderMT: setting the directory didnt work either?
07:02 BuilderMT just did that ... still "active(exited)
07:03 lumberJuice BuilderMT, it maybe looking for another home directory in your working directory
07:03 lumberJuice try hashing out working directory line
07:03 IcyDiamond journalctl --unit=servicename.service
07:03 IcyDiamond send me that log pls
07:04 BuilderMT no entries ?!
07:05 IcyDiamond use the same .service after --unit= you use to start the server using systemctl
07:05 lumberJuice hmm didn't know that IcyDiamond about the ./. when is that useful then?
07:06 IcyDiamond 10:00 <IcyDiamond> you use ./ when you want to run something from the current dir in a terminal
07:06 lumberJuice if it launches either way whats the point of ./
07:06 BuilderMT ah wait
07:06 lumberJuice but it launches either way
07:06 lumberJuice even if you are in the current directory
07:07 BuilderMT Apr 10 09:00:57 minetestserver systemd[1]:Started LSB: Start minetest network game server.
07:07 BuilderMT that is the last entry of the log
07:07 IcyDiamond nothing else?
07:08 BuilderMT well some similar entries Stoped and started (all from my manual starts and stops)
07:08 IcyDiamond no errors, warnings?
07:08 BuilderMT no
07:08 IcyDiamond what
07:09 IcyDiamond is it possible to stop the day night cycle in minetest
07:10 IcyDiamond i hate doing /time 6:00 all the time
07:10 BuilderMT yes in the conf file there is a setting about no day-night cycle
07:11 lumberJuice BuilderMT did you try hashing out working directory. If anything i think that should be where you minetestserver executable is. not your world folder
07:12 BuilderMT time_speed = 0   (in minetest.conf
07:12 BuilderMT just doing that lumberJuice
07:13 IcyDiamond thanks
07:13 BuilderMT IcyDiamond: you're welcome and i did hashtag out the working dir. .... still "active (exited)"
07:14 IcyDiamond but it works if you run the ExecStart command yourself?
07:14 BuilderMT yes with the Warning "couldn't find the directory"
07:15 lumberJuice BuilderMT make sure you are running: systemctl daemon-reload,
07:15 IcyDiamond what directory
07:15 lumberJuice inbetween changes to your service file
07:15 BuilderMT it does not tell :(
07:15 BuilderMT i did lumberJuice
07:16 IcyDiamond /home/pi/minetest/world/worlds/lljwr this path might be incorrect
07:16 IcyDiamond try /home/pi/minetest/worlds/lljwr
07:16 lumberJuice is --map-dir the correct flag?
07:16 IcyDiamond yes
07:17 IcyDiamond but its deprecated
07:17 lumberJuice ok, must be a little different than minetest --server
07:17 IcyDiamond --world is recommended instead
07:17 lumberJuice ah, ok
07:18 BuilderMT it says "Couldn't find a local directory!"  (a WARNING)
07:19 IcyDiamond ..what?
07:19 lumberJuice is your world in pi/minetest or pi/.minetest BuilderMT?
07:20 BuilderMT pi/minetest/worlds...
07:20 IcyDiamond give me your current service file
07:20 IcyDiamond i wanna see what i can do
07:20 BuilderMT you mean the ../systemd/system... file?
07:21 IcyDiamond yeah
07:22 IcyDiamond okay so im gonna try building my own server and making a service for it
07:23 lumberJuice BuilderMT sfan5 is talking to you in minetest-hub
07:24 BuilderMT lumberJuice: i cannot write there ...
07:24 BuilderMT it is in /etc/systemd/system/minetest.service
07:24 sofar look for output in `sudo journalctl -a`
07:25 sofar see what errors it gives
07:25 IcyDiamond I already told him to use journal
07:25 IcyDiamond said he didn't get anything
07:25 sofar well he's using a distro with sysvinit support enabled
07:25 sofar so, it's a mess
07:25 IcyDiamond lol
07:25 sofar probably has /var/log/* files still
07:26 BuilderMT ?! :(
07:26 MinetestBot [git] codexp -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Disable worldedit_brush mod instead of throwing error (#156) a97cccd https://git.io/vxdz6 (2018-04-10T07:25:08Z)
07:27 BuilderMT so i move it sofar
07:27 BuilderMT ?
07:28 IcyDiamond weird it works fine for me
07:28 BuilderMT no as you said it is where it should be
07:28 BuilderMT permission issues?
07:29 BuilderMT this is the file right now https://pastebin.com/bRs6CmKq   and the ExecStart command works ... except it tells me "Couldn't find a local directory!" as a WARNING
07:29 lumberJuice my systemd service file is located in /lib/systemd/system/ Builder, but I'm on debian not sure if it makes a difference or if i have strayed from best practices though.
07:30 lumberJuice it does work though
07:30 BuilderMT i will switch computer and will be back in 2 min ^^
07:33 IcyDiamond mine is in /etc/systemd/system/ lol
07:34 lumberJuice yeah, its been quite a while since i set mine up.
07:34 lumberJuice its quite possible i stuck it somewhere willy nilly and it worked so i didn't worry about it
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07:35 lumberJuice BuilderMT, just to be sure, are we 100% the server is not running?
07:36 lumberJuice if you launch it manually via terminal you can connect, but not with service?
07:36 BuilderMT if i call service minetest status ... it tells me 1) "active (exited)" and 2.) there is no console ... like usually there is
07:38 BuilderMT status also tells me "Tasks 0 / Memory 0B / CPU 0" ..... so it shouldn't be running
07:39 BuilderMT exactly lumberJuice if i type the command (ExecStart) manually i can connect even with the warning about not finding the local directory
07:40 BuilderMT that's what makes it so confusing ... since the command seems to work ... ?! sfan5 do you have any idea?
07:40 lumberJuice are you launching with sudo?
07:40 sfan5 no idea
07:40 lumberJuice sudo service
07:41 IcyDiamond im also out of ideas at this point
07:41 IcyDiamond works just fine for me
07:42 BuilderMT ah i might found a problem ...
07:42 BuilderMT there still is the "old/original" service     minetest-server .... running which came with the ubuntu apt installation before
07:43 BuilderMT how can i disable it's autostart and delete it completeß
07:43 IcyDiamond systemctl disable
07:44 BuilderMT ?
07:46 BuilderMT duhhhh .... :D
07:46 BuilderMT i think that was it -.... lmc
07:46 IcyDiamond lol
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07:47 BuilderMT what about the "Cloudn't find local directory" ? ... where does this come from?
07:47 IcyDiamond no idea
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07:51 BuilderMT no i just need to prevent hibernation once the lid is closed :D ... which lumberJuice allready send me a link for once :D
07:52 BuilderMT IcyDiamond: it worked ... now disable just disables it but how do i get rid of the autostart t booting
07:52 BuilderMT and enable the new service for autostart
07:53 IcyDiamond disable disables autostart
07:53 lumberJuice BuilderMT: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3174
07:53 lumberJuice when you compiled did your do DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
07:57 BuilderMT neither i think i used the "script" i posted in CityStaes
07:58 BuilderMT IcyDiamond: i did this but it startet on reboot
07:59 BuilderMT insserv warning current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script 'minetest-server' overrdies LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
08:00 BuilderMT does this mean there is no service file for minetest-server anymore ... therefore it causes a problem?
08:01 BuilderMT there is a minetest-server file in /etc/init.d     .... (from the old system original apt-get installation)
08:01 BuilderMT can i just delete this and it's fine?
08:02 lumberJuice should be fine, you can always rename it minetest-server.backup or something like that so you can easily restore if needed
08:05 IcyDiamond how to use textlist[ formspec
08:06 IcyDiamond what are the listelems
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08:07 lumberJuice they are the actual strings you want listed in your text list
08:07 IcyDiamond well it says its incorrect if i do that
08:07 IcyDiamond 2018-04-10 11:05:03: ERROR[Main]: Invalid textlist element(9): '0,0.5;7.8,3.5;devices;5x Storage Cable;1x Solderer;1x Disk Drive;1x External Storage Bus;1x Grid;1x Crafting Grid'
08:08 lumberJuice separate by comma not semicolon
08:08 IcyDiamond oh
08:09 IcyDiamond do i need to escape the spaces too somehow?
08:10 IcyDiamond cuz it still aint working
08:11 lumberJuice that i'm not sure about
08:11 IcyDiamond oh nvm my mistake
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08:13 BuilderMT sry back ... got disconnected
08:15 BuilderMT did anyone write something
08:16 IcyDiamond not to you no
08:16 lumberJuice last thing said was to try renaming minetest-server.service so you can restore it if removing causes a problem
08:18 BuilderMT ok rebooting right now checking if it works :)
08:19 BuilderMT if it does ... i need to set up the conf-file :) and the mods finaly
08:19 BuilderMT thanks for your great help
08:19 lumberJuice hope it goes smoothly
08:20 BuilderMT this instit. really sucks ... very reglemented network ... so i need to run to a different room to check if MT server is accessable :$
08:20 BuilderMT no i-net connection except of 1 port for the MT-Server
08:20 lumberJuice must have some very tech savvy kids there your sysadmin is worried about :P
08:20 BuilderMT ftp and ssh only inside the building :D
08:21 IcyDiamond xD
08:21 BuilderMT actually NOT AT ALL ... they're far far ... galaxys away from beeing tech nerds
08:21 BuilderMT no portable apps from usb sticks unless explicit permission
08:21 lumberJuice i know. i feel like kids these days are less tech savvy thanks to mobile devices
08:22 BuilderMT true ... they don't even know how to save/save as/... because they never need to
08:22 lumberJuice lol, i did all kinds of stuff to work around their system at my school
08:22 IcyDiamond XD
08:23 lumberJuice used to run tor-browser, bootable usb's, portable apps
08:23 BuilderMT ok i got this service autoboot disabled ... now i just need to enable auto boot without login for the new systemd service
08:24 BuilderMT i know i did also ... but 2 weeks ago the installed this new "netman for school" ... and so far it is just a pain ... for me
08:24 lumberJuice to be fair, i don't think our admin would really care as long as I wasn't doing anything malicious or helping kids get around filters
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08:28 BuilderMT how do i get this service in systemd to autostart? because it does not
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08:35 BuilderMT could it be because of the directory "home" ... not autostarting?
08:35 lumberJuice i believe it is just systemctl enable service
08:35 lumberJuice service being minetest.service or whatever your .service file is named
08:36 lumberJuice directory should matter, as long as the script actually works as is
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08:45 BuilderMT lumberJuice: it will not do enable
08:46 BuilderMT sudo systemctl enable minetest.service ... am i dumb :$
08:46 lumberJuice what? no sudo?
08:47 BuilderMT i only need one file in /etc/systemd/system
08:47 BuilderMT or do i need a second file in /etc/init.d ?
08:49 BuilderMT sudo systemctl enable minetest.service ... ---> Failed to execute oeration: Invalid argument
08:49 BuilderMT also without sudo
08:49 lumberJuice should work with the one file
08:51 BuilderMT :( grrrr does not :(
08:51 BuilderMT i hate this ...
08:51 lumberJuice but it does work if you start the service manually?
08:51 BuilderMT yes
08:51 BuilderMT i can do sudo service minetest start ... works
08:52 BuilderMT just the autostart at boot does not yet
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08:53 lumberJuice does systemctl start minetest work? or only have service?
08:55 BuilderMT start works ....
08:55 BuilderMT where is your .service file? usr/lib ,,, ?
08:57 lumberJuice /lib/systemd/system
08:57 lumberJuice not sure why i put it there. must have read something somewhere
08:58 BuilderMT ahhh i found it i think
08:58 BuilderMT no Alias allowed ...
08:58 BuilderMT rebooting (for the millions time ^°)
08:59 BuilderMT or it is not allowed to be the same as the service itself
09:00 lumberJuice https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
09:01 lumberJuice according to this enabling with systemctl should automatically put a symbolic link in /lib/systemd/system
09:01 lumberJuice you can also try running: systemctl is-enabled application.service
09:02 BuilderMT ahhhh it WORKS :_D
09:02 lumberJuice nice
09:02 lumberJuice did you manually put the file there, or enable worked?
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09:03 BuilderMT enable worked after hashing out the Alias=minetest.service
09:03 BuilderMT lumberJuice: can you send me a priv message just to check something
09:03 lumberJuice ok
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09:34 LemonFox Is there going to be 0.4.17
09:34 IcyDiamond yes
09:34 IcyDiamond does anyone have a server on 0.5.0 i could play on?
09:34 IcyDiamond im so bored
09:34 sfan5 !server 0.5.0
09:34 MinetestBot sfan5: TimeTravel Server by Thomas-S (0.5.0-dev) | minetest.thomas-stangl.de | Clients: 0/12, 0/0 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / minetest | Ping: 9ms
09:34 sfan5 oh look
09:34 IcyDiamond Clients: 0/12
09:34 IcyDiamond fml
09:35 IcyDiamond imma build a 0.5 server on my vps
09:38 IcyDiamond I think I'm going to kill my minecraft server soon
09:38 IcyDiamond it's completely dead
09:39 LemonFox Why are we not skipping  4.17 and going straight to 0.5
09:39 IcyDiamond maintenance release i guess
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09:40 IcyDiamond unless i've misunderstood something
09:40 IcyDiamond im not a dev so don't look at me for answers
09:40 IcyDiamond XD
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09:51 lumberJuice LemonFox, its been discussed thoroughly in forums iirc.
09:52 lumberJuice basically they are being developed simultaneously. they main purpose of 0.4.17 as i understand it is to clean up any bugs and add as many features from 0.5.0 as possible which don't break compatibility.
09:52 lumberJuice So the development of 0.4.17 is not mutually exclusive to the development of 0.5.0
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10:53 IhrFussel !tell lumberJuice 0.4.17 (and a possible 0.4.18) will not contain any major features from 0.5.0 ... the devs want 0.5.0 to be as attractive as possible for server owners, so only bugfixes and very tiny changes are backpoorted to 0.4.X
10:53 MinetestBot IhrFussel: I'll pass that on when lumberJuice is around
10:54 Krock poor backports
10:58 IhrFussel Krock, you are uisng Xubuntu right? (or was that someone else maybe)
10:58 IhrFussel using*
10:58 Krock yes. no.
10:58 Krock well, I'm pretty sure someone else also uses Xubuntu :P
10:59 IhrFussel Tested 18.04 yet? Or would you recommended upgrading at release date?
10:59 IhrFussel My brain is kinda weird today... recommend*
11:00 Krock I'm still on 16.04 LTS, and I don't know how good upgrading works (yet), as it's the first Linux version/installating I'm using
11:00 Krock *installation
11:02 IhrFussel Krock, oh I see...should be a simple sudo do-release-upgrade AFAIK ... I upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 in the past ... the question is just if 18.04 will be stable enough at release date
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11:04 Krock I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person. Testing it is the only method that gives you the correct answer - even following the development process carefully will probably not show potential problems on some systems
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13:34 Preuk in my experience, *buntu upgrades are a PITA unless your stick with default repos avec standard options
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14:48 JDCodeIt Hi all, I see some strange behavior by some players - they die, try to interact, then respawn at the static spawn, then respawn where they died
14:49 sfan5 minetest version?
14:49 JDCodeIt What mechanism is being used here?
14:49 JDCodeIt Server 0.5.0-dev
14:50 JDCodeIt Also seems the same player can teleport without the priv - though anti-cheat would have caught that one
14:51 JDCodeIt If I turn up the debug level will there be enough information to see the series of packets?
14:51 Krock movement packets aren't recorded when they're dead
14:52 JDCodeIt Moving while dead... hacked client?
14:52 Krock anticheat indeed blocks too fast movement
14:52 rubenwardy what mods do you have?
14:52 JDCodeIt ...tons
14:52 sfan5 turning debug level up is probably not enough
14:52 rubenwardy there could be a vulnerability there
14:52 sfan5 a packet capture would be much more helpful (though more complicated) to see what's happening
14:53 JDCodeIt Nice if there were a chatcommand to turn that on/off briefly
14:53 JDCodeIt Could one die, place a bed, sleep in it, then choose respawn?
14:55 JDCodeIt What does the server accept while a player is dead?
14:56 sfan5 you can't move, that's it
14:59 JDCodeIt so one could theoretically place things, then interact with them?
15:01 Krock JDCodeIt, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/network/serverpackethandler.cpp#L1034-L1045
15:02 JDCodeIt I wonder, becasue this player also has a bed in their hot-bar
15:02 Krock players don't do such things when they're dead
15:03 Krock ^ that's also reported to the script API
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15:05 JDCodeIt From the log: Moving P1 to static spawnpoint at (-41,2,-203)
15:05 JDCodeIt Then P1 respawns at (369,11,136.5)
15:07 Krock blame your installed mods
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15:08 Krock they're probably re-spawning in their last visited bed
15:08 JDCodeIt OK, so the mods are supposed to check player status and ignore things?
15:08 Krock mods are supposed to customize the game behaviour
15:09 JDCodeIt ...like beds mod should see if the player is dead, and not let them sleep?
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15:13 rubenwardy correct, the dead don't sleep
15:13 IcyDiamond lol
15:13 JDCodeIt Well, the dirt nap is the longest of all
15:13 rubenwardy S7, coming sometime this century
15:14 rubenwardy *S8
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15:19 Krock correction: the dead sleep until they respawn
15:21 JDCodeIt Yes, the interaction I saw above is consistent with respawning where you last slept... but I see this player teleporting, so somehow that position is being manipulated
15:21 Krock "somehow" = bed mod
15:24 JDCodeIt I tried this with a the current build of 0.5.0-dev client and all the mods. /killme takes all inventory away. The screen only has the Respawn button. No way to access the bed.
15:24 rubenwardy latency means that could happen
15:24 rubenwardy also, modified clients
15:25 Krock rubenwardy, anticheat prevents teleporting
15:25 rubenwardy Minetest should probably just ignore any interact actions whilst dead, anyway
15:25 rubenwardy Krock: correct
15:25 JDCodeIt ...yes, about that... if the beds mod were to not assume you were alive, could this plug that hole?
15:26 Krock JDCodeIt, open your minetest.conf of the server and add the line "enable_bed_respawn = false+"
15:26 Krock *= false
15:26 Krock solves the "issue" for you
15:27 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/beds/functions.lua#L180-L190
15:27 Krock !nextr
15:27 Krock !next
15:27 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
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15:48 JDCodeIt Followed the code. Must be that the player is using a modified client. Too bad these are not so easily detected.
15:48 rubenwardy the fix isn't detecting modified clients, it's fixing your mods
15:48 rubenwardy and Minetest where appropriate
15:49 JDCodeIt Should we see if the server-side can help? Perhaps node placing and on_right_click callbacks should not be able to be issued by dead players, for example.
15:49 rubenwardy yes
15:51 sfan5 <rubenwardy> Minetest should probably just ignore any interact actions whilst dead, anyway
15:51 sfan5 it does
15:51 rubenwardy oh god
15:51 rubenwardy *good
15:51 JDCodeIt :-)
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16:56 IhrFussel You can easily see that no interactions are allowed when dead...your debug.txt is full of such lines
16:57 IhrFussel Unless someone disables anticheat of course, but that opens a whole can of worms
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20:56 MinetestBot [git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Android: Replace movement buttons with joystick (#7126) 326eeca https://git.io/vxbYV (2018-04-10T20:55:17Z)
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