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03:56 swift110-phone__ Hey
04:03 blaise hello
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05:15 redneonglow hi
05:27 blaise hey
05:29 rdococ Hay
05:29 rdococ is for horsesâ„¢
05:30 blaise I have no hay for your horsies
05:32 rdococ They're my horses now
05:32 rdococ oh wait
05:32 rdococ Do you have any Febreze? I just had a brain fartâ„¢
05:32 blaise all out, sorry
05:33 * blaise hangs a cardboard pine tree on rdococs ear
05:33 blaise I sure wish the forums had a next and previous button to switch pages on thread
05:33 blaise :G
05:33 * rdococ turns into a car
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05:47 IcyDiamond Hello
05:47 Player-2 hello
05:49 srifqi \o
05:50 * rdococ says yay
05:58 IcyDiamond !mod melterns
05:58 MinetestBot IcyDiamond: Melterns - Tinkers in Minetest [melterns] by IcyDiamond - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19916
05:58 IcyDiamond Yay
05:59 IcyDiamond <Astrobe> MT is so light that while tweaking mods I launch multiple clients without realising it.
05:59 IcyDiamond Haha yes
06:01 blaise where can I find mbb's stuff for advtrains?
06:01 blaise I need the moar stuphs
06:02 blaise his site seems broken
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06:15 hisforevr hi
06:52 IcyDiamond lol
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07:10 IcyDiamond https://github.com/LunaSquee/melterns/tree/master/fluidity/textures this is not ok
07:10 IcyDiamond I think I should use the trick i use with the tools
07:10 IcyDiamond use [colorize or [multiply
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07:10 IcyDiamond i'll think about that
07:11 IcyDiamond actually that might not work for some things
07:11 AlexYst Well ... This is stupid. I've been trying to connect to Freenode for a couple hours. All other Internet-related services have been functioning for me during that time. As soon as I try restarting my network connection though, Freenode starts functioning for me.
07:11 IcyDiamond lol
07:12 AlexYst So it's not that my Internet connection was down or anything like that.
07:12 IcyDiamond gateway/tor-sasl/yst
07:12 IcyDiamond theres your problem
07:12 IcyDiamond tor
07:12 AlexYst Tor isn't a problem, it's a solution.
07:13 IcyDiamond your network restart you did must've reset your circuit :P
07:13 AlexYst IcyDiamond: How could my circuit be the problem though when all other Internet services have been working for me? I've checked email, browsed the Web ... all over Tor.
07:14 IcyDiamond Hm
07:14 IcyDiamond Then idk
07:14 IcyDiamond :P
07:14 AlexYst Ha ha. Yeah, just odd.
07:15 IcyDiamond Maybe it was a fault in the exit node you were connected to
07:15 AlexYst For two hours? That'd be about twelve exit nodes with issues.
07:16 AlexYst All in a row.
07:16 IcyDiamond Ok then I'm clueless
07:16 IcyDiamond :D
07:16 AlexYst Ha ha.
07:16 AlexYst So what are we doing in here tonight?
07:17 AlexYst Or this morning? It's past midnight in my time zone.
07:20 IcyDiamond Hah it's 10 in the morning here
07:20 IcyDiamond I just pushed an update to the mod I'm working on
07:20 IcyDiamond Now I'm taking a walk
07:20 AlexYst Oh, nice.
07:20 * AlexYst checks the forum
07:21 IcyDiamond !mod melterns
07:21 AlexYst Walks are usually good. I don't get enough of those.
07:21 MinetestBot IcyDiamond: Melterns - Tinkers in Minetest [melterns] by IcyDiamond - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19916
07:21 AlexYst Oh, nice, that one. I knew I recognised your name.
07:21 IcyDiamond :D
07:21 AlexYst Your mod alerted me to some new capabilities of Minetest 0.5.0.
07:22 AlexYst I haven't run that beta(?) yet, but I'm excited.
07:22 AlexYst It looks like we can do some pretty cool stuff, and you're getting a jump start on that.
07:25 IcyDiamond :)
07:29 IcyDiamond I got into minetest modding quite recently and this channel and rubenwardy's prettified lua_api.txt has helped me a bunch
07:32 AlexYst Welcome to the community then!
07:33 AlexYst Maybe I should look through rubenwardy's guide as well. I'm currently trying to deal with creative block, so maybe something there will spark something for me.
07:34 IcyDiamond :)
07:34 AlexYst I've got a project I've tried repeatedly to complete. Four times the project has collapsed on me because it's just too involved.
07:34 IcyDiamond haha
07:34 AlexYst Basically, it involves a small inventory you can put any item into.
07:34 AlexYst You get bonus abilities based on what items you choose.
07:35 IcyDiamond cool
07:35 AlexYst That means I need to come up with a unique ability for *each and every* item in Minetest.
07:35 AlexYst It's too much!
07:35 IcyDiamond haha yeah
07:36 AlexYst I think with my new plan though, I'm closer than I've been. I'm working on a proof-of-concept version that'll support mostly only the oldest Minetest items, then I'll work my way up through the versions to the present day.
07:37 IcyDiamond alrighty
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08:00 IcyDiamond where's the node in "singlenode" generator
08:01 IcyDiamond its just a void world
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08:26 IcyDiamond https://github.com/LunaSquee/melterns/blob/master/screenshot.png new screenshot
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08:40 rubenwardy IcyDiamond: everything is the same name
08:40 IcyDiamond huh?
08:40 rubenwardy You can change by registering an alias called "singlenode"
08:41 rubenwardy *node, not name
08:41 IcyDiamond you mean.. it defaults to air?
08:41 rubenwardy Yeah
08:41 IcyDiamond aha okay
08:43 blaise zomfg insane downloads of media with skybox wtfbbq
08:43 IcyDiamond lol
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09:00 IcyDiamond WOO! I successfully made the tanks keep their liquid when broken
09:00 IcyDiamond preserve_metadata callback is great
09:04 IcyDiamond it's a shame glasslikeliquidlevel doesnt render in the inventory though
09:12 IcyDiamond :o items with the same metadata stack
09:12 IcyDiamond That's awesome!
09:12 IcyDiamond I love minetest
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09:38 IcyDiamond I might end up splitting fluidity from the melterns pack because it could be used for other things too
09:39 IcyDiamond Might even add fluid piping
09:39 IcyDiamond I'll see about that
09:50 IcyDiamond https://github.com/raoulvdberge/refinedstorage This has got to be a mod that I'll be porting
09:50 IcyDiamond XD
09:50 IcyDiamond Refined Storage in minetest would be a blessing
09:51 IcyDiamond Maybe instead of disk drives I'd use nodes with a large inventory
09:51 IcyDiamond Because as far as I know there's no good way to store itemstacks in the metadata of an item
09:52 IcyDiamond xD
09:53 AlexYst IcyDiamond: I'm not sure how it's done, but there currently exist mods that store inventories in the metadata of other items.
09:53 IcyDiamond Hmm
09:53 AlexYst Is it done well? Not sure.
09:54 IcyDiamond I'll explore it
09:59 AlexYst Hmm. I'm searching the forum, but I'm not seeing the mod type I mean. I don't recall what any of them were named.
10:04 IcyDiamond https://github.com/LunaSquee/storagetest repo created
10:04 IcyDiamond now i can go think about how to do things
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10:15 AlexYst IcyDiamond: This mod seems to do it, but I haven't looked at the code to see how: <https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=17847>.
10:15 IcyDiamond aha, okay, cool
10:16 IcyDiamond I'm just making base nodes atm
10:16 IcyDiamond making textures
10:18 AlexYst I think I'm going to clean some stuff, then take a bubble bath and try to clear my head. I'm only two ideas away from completing the subsection I've been trying to finish for a few days.
10:19 AlexYst Good luck with your nodes!
10:19 IcyDiamond :)
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10:45 rubenwardy Stack:to_string()
10:45 rubenwardy Or stack:to_table() then json encoded
10:46 rubenwardy Former is better if it exists though
10:46 rubenwardy IcyDiamond:
10:46 IcyDiamond Nice
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10:58 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-07-13:58:14.png here's some nodes
10:59 IcyDiamond from l->r controller, grid, crafting grid, cable and disk drive
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11:15 AlexYst Ugh. The only thing I came up with during my soak was that I need to support less items in my proof-of-concept build. I've dropped the support list to 32 items. This first build's going to suck, game-play-wise, but I guess that's why it's a proof-of-concept and not a full release.
11:15 IcyDiamond XD
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11:30 IcyDiamond I have no idea how to network these things together tho
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14:14 JDCodeIt Hi all, I'm having trouble with irc #minetest-hub - says cannot send to channel. There's a secret to this?
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14:17 rubenwardy you need to be voiced
14:17 rubenwardy see   hub.minetest.net
14:19 JDCodeIt OK, kinda new at irc, so I'll try to figure it out...
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15:03 Glorfindel hey all, trying to set up a server here. minetest starts fine, but says it's listening on 0.0.0.0:30000... and I am unable to connect to it, with an error of server timed out. how do I get it to listen on the actual ip address of my vps's public ip? I have added a firewall exception and port forward
15:04 rubenwardy it will be
15:04 rubenwardy 0.0.0.0 means it listens on all addresses, which includes the public IP
15:04 rubenwardy make sure you've unblocked the UDP port properly
15:04 rubenwardy also, you don't need to port forward with vpses
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15:05 rubenwardy also, try    ufw reload      if you use that. Can't remember if that's needed
15:05 Glorfindel ok, they must have just had it worded oddly in the online config
15:05 rubenwardy also, try   !up
15:05 rubenwardy !up 142.4.209.73 30000
15:05 MinetestBot 142.4.209.73:30000 is up (97ms)
15:05 rubenwardy !up ctf.rubenwardy.com 30000
15:05 MinetestBot ctf.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (91ms)
15:05 Glorfindel ufw reload in the minetest console?
15:06 rubenwardy :)
15:06 rubenwardy no, in the terminal
15:06 rubenwardy you obviously don't use ufw though
15:06 rubenwardy if you don't know what that means :)
15:07 Glorfindel nope, I don't know what firewall 1and1 uses
15:07 Glorfindel or if it's actually a firewall -_-
15:07 rubenwardy ew, 1and1 ;)
15:07 Glorfindel !up 198.71.63.94:30000
15:07 MinetestBot Glorfindel: use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
15:07 Glorfindel !up 198.71.63.94 30000
15:07 MinetestBot 198.71.63.94:30000 seems to be down
15:08 Glorfindel hm, I'll double check the firewallthing
15:09 rubenwardy That's an internal IP
15:09 rubenwardy Wait
15:09 rubenwardy Nevermind
15:10 Glorfindel oh. I'm a dummy
15:10 Glorfindel I created a new firewall policy to allow minetest but then didn't choose to use that one instead of the default
15:11 Glorfindel I'll add minetest to the default instead so I am still able to ssh into the vps lol
15:11 Glorfindel !up 198.71.63.94 30000
15:11 MinetestBot 198.71.63.94:30000 seems to be down
15:13 Glorfindel !up 198.71.63.94 30000
15:13 MinetestBot 198.71.63.94:30000 is up (108ms)
15:13 Glorfindel sweeeet
15:13 Glorfindel thanks rubenwardy XD
15:21 Krock Glorfindel, ->> freedns.afraid.org
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15:23 Glorfindel Krock: would you recommend freedns over duckdns?
15:24 Krock I don't know about duckdns but seen it in some places already.. it's up to you, I guess :)
15:26 Glorfindel 'k, thanks
15:26 rubenwardy Domain names are cheap
15:26 Krock for me freedns feels more like "Let's set up some temporary hobby server for lols", whereas duckdns provides you a good API
15:26 rubenwardy Wayyyyyyy cheaper than a vps
15:27 Glorfindel rubenwardy: the only thing that would make me host a server on my home connection is if I wanted to really really make people made with lag that wasn't from *their* connection
15:27 Krock surely it depends on how serious business you want to do - or if you want to spend money in refreshing the domain yearly
15:27 rubenwardy ????
15:27 IcyDiamond Ok so I used the same networking technique as technic does
15:28 Krock !!!!
15:28 rubenwardy I'm not saying don't use a VPS
15:28 rubenwardy I'm saying the price of a proper domain name is negligible compared to the price of a VPS
15:28 Glorfindel brb
15:28 Glorfindel ohh, right
15:28 Krock *nods*
15:29 IcyDiamond https://github.com/LunaSquee/storagetest
15:29 IcyDiamond new mod in progress
15:29 IcyDiamond ayy
15:30 rubenwardy Maybe not negligible, but pretty low
15:31 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/minetest-2018-04-07_18.29.41.webm crap quality but you can see the progress im at
15:31 IcyDiamond XD
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15:35 Krock oh god! it blinks. > instant karma
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15:47 fridolin hello! i have an question: how i can insert an group e.g. all of sand in an Crafting recipe ?
15:49 Krock group:sand
15:49 Krock if you're trying to craft such an item, just put default:sand or anything other that fits into that group
15:49 Krock some inventory mods allow searching for those items
15:50 fridolin thanks
15:50 fridolin yes i have it writing not correct in the code lol :D
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18:37 IcyDiamond Boi my mod is at 5 stars
18:37 IcyDiamond Thats a bit more than some mods in minetest-mods
18:37 IcyDiamond XD
18:38 IcyDiamond I'll "release" it when 0.5 becomes stable
18:38 IcyDiamond Might be a while
18:38 IcyDiamond :p
18:40 xerox123 I was told June, as an ETA for 0.5
18:41 rubenwardy Being in minetest-mods doesn't really mean anything
18:41 rubenwardy 90% of my mods aren't
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19:00 rdococ IcyDiamond: only five stars? it should be twelve by now
19:00 rdococ or maybe three hundred
19:00 Krock over 9000
19:00 rdococ oh, wait, I was confused, I thought he was referring to a 5 star rating system for a second
19:01 rdococ I often forget to star/like/thumbs up things
19:01 rdococ and sometimes I remember and go "meh"
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19:04 IcyDiamond Lol
19:06 rdococ wtf? Minetest seems to be treating melterns' mods' optional dependencies as required ones, refusing to load those mods unless I add their *optional* dependencies
19:08 rdococ interesting, the problem was I was enabling pipeworks without mesecons which appears to be a required dependency of at least the version I have
19:08 IcyDiamond Lol
19:08 rdococ Minetest dependency resolution bug?
19:09 IcyDiamond I'm pretty stumped with the refined storage inspired mod
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19:09 IcyDiamond I don't know how to efficiently store thousands of items in metadata
19:10 IcyDiamond Maybe I should use a separate database or something
19:10 rdococ why do you need to store thousands of things in metadata?
19:11 IcyDiamond Where do I store them then
19:11 Cornelia A file on the system.
19:11 rdococ why do you need to store thousands of things?
19:11 IcyDiamond That's the point of the mod
19:11 IcyDiamond Mass storage
19:12 rdococ ah, you're creating a mass storage mod...?
19:12 IcyDiamond Oh, sorry, I forgot this is not a mc modding community
19:13 IcyDiamond XD
19:13 IcyDiamond But yes
19:13 IcyDiamond That a it
19:13 IcyDiamond I think I'm going to have to go the database approach
19:14 IcyDiamond Is there like a sqlite lib or smth
19:14 IcyDiamond And can you do it per-world
19:14 IcyDiamond XD
19:14 Cornelia Maybe.. but I think you can easily write tables to files
19:14 Cornelia There's a function in the API to do so
19:15 IcyDiamond Cool
19:15 Cornelia So you could just have a table that tracks that info and you write it out regularly and on world shutdown
19:15 IcyDiamond I'll look into it tomorrow
19:15 IcyDiamond Yeah
19:16 IcyDiamond I wonder how the mc mod does it
19:16 IcyDiamond Oh wait, it's open source
19:16 IcyDiamond I doubt they use metadata either
19:16 IcyDiamond Too lazy to dig into it atm
19:21 IcyDiamond But yeah, I could probably use a data file
19:28 Fixer IcyDiamond: we need refined storage analogue, yeah
19:28 IcyDiamond I'm on it :P
19:28 Fixer hope you succeed
19:29 IcyDiamond You can always contribute you know
19:29 IcyDiamond XD
19:29 Fixer to dumb for lua
19:29 IcyDiamond Really?
19:29 IcyDiamond Lua is very simple
19:29 Fixer i don't have a vibe for programming
19:29 IcyDiamond Okay
19:32 IcyDiamond But yeah I'll try do my best with it
19:33 IcyDiamond It'll always be open source so someone can continue with it if I fail
19:33 IcyDiamond XD
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19:38 JDCodeIt I think areas mod has an example of read and write tables on startup and shutdown
19:39 rdococ what, there are mods that allow ores to grow on trees
19:39 Fixer debian linux https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3eDpNX4AAOklZ.jpg:large
19:43 rdococ Chicken Linuxâ„¢
19:44 IcyDiamond rdococ: lol what
19:44 rdococ it's an anomalous, proprietary OS that runs on Linux and is made in a universe where proprietary has the opposite meaning, however it is marketed for this universe, but nobody is sure if it's proprietary or not
19:50 Cornelia Lolol
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20:11 Krock Fixer, the chicken on the right side: "btw I use arch"
20:11 Fixer manjaro linux (tm)
20:13 Out`Of`Control Debian Unstable
20:14 IcyDiamond I use arch as well
20:14 rdococ Paprika desktop environmentâ„¢
20:15 rubenwardy I was thinking about trying arch
20:15 rubenwardy But I don't want
20:15 rubenwardy A) a neck beard
20:15 rubenwardy B) involuntary compulsions to talk
20:15 rubenwardy So, Ubuntu for now
20:15 Out`Of`Control lol
20:15 sfan5 >liking outdated software
20:16 rubenwardy I hate outdated software
20:16 rubenwardy I hate ubuntu
20:16 Out`Of`Control what about unity?
20:17 Krock unity is love, unity is ..go away, we've got better
20:17 rubenwardy All softwares called unity are buggy, crazy, and terrible
20:17 Out`Of`Control xD
20:17 rubenwardy And over used
20:17 IcyDiamond I like shaving any beard I get
20:17 rubenwardy But it's good for the noobs I guess
20:18 rubenwardy I use xfce anyway
20:18 IcyDiamond Same
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20:32 Fixer rubenwardy: try manjaro (arch made easier)
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20:42 Krock no need to use manjaro to enjoy xfce
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20:55 * sofar whispers clearlinux
20:55 sofar [DISCLAIMER: PAID ADVERTISEMENT]
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20:58 blaise wtf?
20:59 blaise I has the problem..
20:59 blaise I can't destroy a subway car
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20:59 blaise it's one of the original yellow pos's
21:00 blaise also, I have a lot of people asking me about minetest-0.5.0
21:00 blaise should we still be using 0.4.17 with backport-0.4 ?
21:00 blaise or should we bump up to 0.5.0 ?
21:01 * blaise pokes sofar
21:01 sofar 0.5.0 doesn't exist, it's not finished nor stable
21:01 sofar so you should not be forcing your users to use it imho
21:01 blaise well, I keep telling people that, but n00bs keep asking me questions about it in here
21:02 blaise I myself am using 0.4.17 with backport-0.4
21:03 blaise I feel like something noticable should inform these morons to stop using 0.5.0 till it's ready
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21:06 blaise sofar: if I bump mesa and llvm, do I need to recompile irrlicht against the new stuff and then recompile minetest?
21:09 blaise meh, I'ma just recompile them anyway just in case
21:10 blaise been noticing some severe instability since I updated mesa and llvm while playing minetest
21:10 blaise gotta love the new llvm-6 XD
21:11 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Biome API / dungeons: Add biome-defined dungeon nodes 746ca41 https://git.io/vxQmQ (2018-04-07T21:09:54Z)
21:16 rdococ blaise: aw, but 0.5.0 is fun :c
21:16 rdococ well, 0.5.0-dev anyway
21:17 blaise sure, but it's not stable..
21:17 sofar unless there's a major opengl API change in mesa, you don't need to recompile irrlicht
21:17 Markow I'm enjoying Minetest 0.5.0-dev-7e3f88f (Linux) immensely! It even seems to run faster than previous versions, which is great for me.
21:18 blaise Markow: sofar says no. no soup for yoou.
21:18 Markow So far, all mods I'm using are functioning well
21:18 Markow lol, I didn't realize I said "so far" ,lol !
21:18 Markow And that it's a nick
21:19 sofar that's not the point. If all your players are using 0.5.0-dev builds, I don't see a reason to not update to it on the server
21:19 sofar but if it's only a few... you're forcing everyone to update to an unstable development build
21:19 sofar or they'll play on a different server
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21:19 sofar your choice, of course
21:21 blaise yeah, I'll just stick with 0.4.17 with the packborts 0.4 fixupers
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21:21 blaise we can always just use the 0.5.0 client to test and play
21:22 blaise but public announcing servers should probably stay away from 0.5.x till it's some kind of confident..
21:23 blaise I honestly havn't even checked it out yet
21:23 Shara It's really the choice of the server owner. Personally I'd stay away from it until it's stable, but some people might want to start using those features already and not mind if it means fewer players.
21:25 Markow I already found some empty, moss-stone dungeons in the biomes. A pleasant surprise. Even had chest(s) filled with some goodies.
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21:59 longerstaff13 hi, is there a Minetest 0.5.0-dev for Windows?
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22:02 paramat i think so but not a recent one
22:03 longerstaff13 hm
22:03 Shara Easier way to get recent version on Windows would be... good.
22:03 longerstaff13 a friend of mine is hosting a 0.5.0-dev server and I have 0.4.16
22:03 longerstaff13 stable*
22:04 longerstaff13 0.4.16-stable*
22:04 Shara longerstaff13: check sfan5's builds. There's a topic on the forum.
22:05 * longerstaff13 looks
22:05 Shara Sadly he does not seem to be updating them often anymore, but maybe it will do.
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22:06 longerstaff13 found maybe the latest
22:07 longerstaff13 hey CBugDCoder
22:07 CBugDCoder hi longer
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22:23 * [k00l]shamoanjac farts
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22:24 blaise so, I couldn't get rid of one of the old subway rail cars.. I tried digging the tracks out from under it, I tried driving it off a cliff, all kinds of stuff
22:25 blaise I ended up driving it to a dead rail line, disconnecting it from the rest of the rail system, and burying it there
22:26 blaise the whole reason I was getting rid of the yellow subway cars was to change over to a new S7 subway car that I nabbed .. it's very nice.. actually has an interior..
22:27 blaise it seems to be a bit harder to stop though, so I'm going to have to move my atc command strips for the stations
22:29 ashtrayoz2 For devs: #7224 is ready for review.  Should be trivial - logic inversion bug.
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22:38 paramat wow a feature i was unaware of
22:38 paramat thanks for that
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22:45 ashtrayoz2 Most welcome, paramat.
22:56 blaise lol
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23:49 rdococ Idea: Minetest Ultra Hardcore
23:52 Glorfindel how does one grant users privs (server)?
23:52 Glorfindel I can't grant myself the privs due to not having any
23:53 sfan5 edit auth.txt
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23:54 Glorfindel ah, thanks
23:56 Glorfindel those numbers at the end, are those the position of the player?
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23:58 sfan5 no
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