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Chinosky |
somebody? |
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blaise |
hi |
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blaise |
we're like, almost here, and stuff |
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Chinosky |
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Chinosky |
what happened to gabbo server? gabbo dies? :( |
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Chinosky |
hello nowhere_man |
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rubenwardy |
don't know |
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rubenwardy |
and don't great users like that, unless it's you joining, someone you want to talk to, or they say hi |
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Gabbo aka Gabo "doesn't dies" fyi |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Split long lines part 5, fix hardware colouring docs 0d8cb84 https://git.io/vxqan (2018-03-16T02:59:48Z) |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Biomes: Fix vertical biome blend 19c993b https://git.io/vxqac (2018-03-16T02:59:38Z) |
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MarisaG |
hi hawk, have a good day? |
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Hawk777 |
Alright. The work goes on :) |
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Hawk777 |
You? |
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MarisaG |
not bad thx. Just working on some projects |
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MarisaG |
not sure i agree with mineminer about minetest hosting here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19748 - review last comment by him on last page |
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MarisaG |
of course i am biased, i admit ;) |
| 04:01 |
MarisaG |
but most games seldom have more than a couple on them at once, and nomatter what a hosted game will always be better than a server running on your local computer |
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MarisaG |
couple players i mean |
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sofar |
MarisaG: mineminer seems to just want to irrationally vent and get free cookies |
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sofar |
MarisaG: oh, and managed, too |
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MarisaG |
lol sofar |
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sofar |
in my mind that's a juvenile and arrogant attitude |
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MarisaG |
i know |
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sofar |
but hey, please don't tell them you can host for free in AWS for a full year |
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MarisaG |
either way a hosted server is going to be better than a home hosted server |
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MarisaG |
the speed and latency is more impoirtant largely than what kind of cpu you have or how many threads you support |
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sofar |
you can't argue with someone who isn't listening |
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MarisaG |
nope |
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sofar |
I run the public remote media server in AWS on a free year trial :D |
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MarisaG |
:) |
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sofar |
you should make your servers point to it...! |
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MarisaG |
i provide a lot of other features too |
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sofar |
I know you do |
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sofar |
the PRMS would just offload some of your bandwidth for free |
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MarisaG |
like my management console im developing, among other things |
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sofar |
not that you're likely anywhere near your limits |
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MarisaG |
nop not, like 5% of my monthly alotment so far |
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sofar |
yeah, in the 3 months I've ran it it has used up 20gb |
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sofar |
it's not even scary yet |
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MarisaG |
not at all |
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sofar |
of course, not many servers are pointing to it yet |
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sofar |
I get about 100 logins a day |
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MarisaG |
nice |
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MarisaG |
i havent audited my 5 servers really |
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sofar |
# journalctl -u mtmediasrv|grep Mar.14 | wc -l |
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sofar |
102 |
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MarisaG |
cool |
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sofar |
do you host a remote media server, or let the mt servers serve all the media content? |
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sofar |
they will no matter what, of course |
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sofar |
if the remote media server is missing the media, or offline |
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MarisaG |
all on one, dont want one persons data on the same server as someone else |
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sofar |
I don't think you understand |
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MarisaG |
one persons server is all theirs, and includes reverse dns as well |
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sofar |
the remote media server is a HTTP service |
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sofar |
you can run it on the same machine as the MT server |
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MarisaG |
but it stores assets for the world, right? |
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MarisaG |
right |
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sofar |
for the game content |
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sofar |
images, sounds, models |
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MarisaG |
yes |
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sofar |
but they are mod dependent, not world dependent |
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MarisaG |
each server runs its own |
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sofar |
it's own remote media server? |
| 06:29 |
MarisaG |
they can be backed up and moved to other hosting centers |
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sofar |
do you deploy the script method or the go fcgi daemon I developed? |
| 06:29 |
MarisaG |
script if i understand what you mean |
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sofar |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17411 is what I'm talking about |
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MarisaG |
i do offer to use mysql instead of sqlite |
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MarisaG |
ok ill read it |
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sofar |
I don't think you understand what a remote media server is yet |
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MarisaG |
must not |
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sofar |
hehe |
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__vy |
is there anyone working on a minetest proxy, ex: bungeecord? |
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sofar |
__vy: no, but the idea has been supported by many devs |
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MarisaG |
i just know that i set up everything on the host, and that no host points to another host |
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sofar |
MarisaG: ok, let me try and explain it really quickly |
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sofar |
MarisaG: when a player connects to a server, they "log in" through several steps |
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sofar |
first step is obviously authentication |
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MarisaG |
yes |
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sofar |
second step is downloading node definitions and images, models and sounds |
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MarisaG |
right |
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sofar |
after that they "connect" to the game |
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sofar |
and then they download map blocks as needed |
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MarisaG |
right, as they move around |
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sofar |
the second step involves downloading lots of large media files |
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sofar |
this is somewhat inefficient over UDP |
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__vy |
fair enough, I'm doing my research on it before starting work, it seems feasible |
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sofar |
__vy: certainly is with a small protocol addition imho |
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sofar |
MarisaG: much more efficient is http or https |
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MarisaG |
ok |
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sofar |
MarisaG: this is what the remote media protocol allows - it benefits the client in that it makes downloads generally faster, and it benefits the server because the data can be coming from a different server and thus not add lag to players that are already on the server |
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MarisaG |
i get you |
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MarisaG |
that would be good for performance tuning |
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sofar |
from what you've stated, I don't think you have setup a remote media server |
| 06:36 |
sofar |
if you want, you can point to my PRMS project server |
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MarisaG |
i dont think so, i will look into that and maybe update my processes |
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sofar |
more info: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18951 |
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sofar |
setting it up is trivial, free, and never will make performance worse, even if the prms goes "down" |
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MarisaG |
how does your server get populated? |
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sofar |
that's described in the forum post |
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sofar |
essentially, people just need to ask me to add mod X or Y |
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MarisaG |
maybe i should set one up for my servers |
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MarisaG |
but i will be glad to use yours for now :) |
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sofar |
if you do deploy mtmediasrv, ask for help if you can't figure it out |
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sofar |
it just needs nginx so it's not complex |
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MarisaG |
ok, will do! reading your forum post... |
| 06:45 |
MarisaG |
hmm, i will be setting this up in my servers, looks good. Will let you know what mods i need, but trhat is only for my servers. clients may have other mods needed... |
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sofar |
you can direct your clients to the links of course |
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MarisaG |
yes, but they may want mods that you dont have yet |
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MarisaG |
i will let you know |
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MarisaG |
at the least minetest game would be useful |
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sofar |
even if my remote media server is missing many mods, it won't hurt their login speeds |
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sofar |
I have 179 mods atm on it |
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MarisaG |
yeA got that :) |
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sofar |
adding new ones is easy too |
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MarisaG |
whoa! |
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MarisaG |
i can reimburse you for this |
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MarisaG |
maybe $1 for each client |
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sofar |
it won't cost me anything for another 9 months, after that I will re-evaluate :) |
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MarisaG |
ok ;) |
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* sofar |
afk |
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MarisaG |
ok |
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Nemin |
Hi. Is this the right place to ask for Wiki account creation? I would like to translate some pages to my native tounge. |
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Krock |
enter " /query Calinou " and send him your account name and email address, then pray he's online soon |
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Krock |
^ Nemin |
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Nemin |
Thank you! |
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Krock |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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juli |
hi i have a lua question |
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juli |
what happens if i do this: define a global table a = {b=1} and i define a funtion c which returns a.b |
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juli |
if i then manipulate the return value, will then a.b be changed? |
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juli |
or just the value of a.b copied into the return value? |
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Krock |
juli, are you familiar with C pointers? |
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juli |
yes |
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Krock |
because tables in Lua are unique unless you table.copy (deep copy) them. So you pass them as pointer to the function |
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juli |
yes but interessting for me is the return value |
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Krock |
if you change the pointer, "a" will not be changed, but if you change the contents of "a", it will be changed directly |
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juli |
if i do axactly this in any init.lua or so: |
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juli |
a = {b=1}; local function func(list) return list.b end; c=func(a) |
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* twoelk |
has a finger that functions as pointer to stuff on his table --- cee, it's right over there -- pointpoint |
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juli |
will c have the value of b only or will a modification of c cause also a modification of a.b? |
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juli |
*exactly |
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Krock |
no, in this case you're returning a number, which doesn't use references |
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Krock |
so you're doing the same as c=1. changing c will leave a.b unaffected |
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juli |
ok |
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Krock |
twoelk, pow(point, point) |
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juli |
but if a.b would be {} it would be manipulated directly via c? |
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Krock |
again the pointer thingy. only if you modify the contents of c |
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juli |
yes sure ok |
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Krock |
assigning c itself to a new value will again leave a.b unaffected |
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juli |
yes but c.d=3 would make a.b.d=3 right? |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
exactly |
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juli |
ok good to know |
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juli |
pow(point, point) returns as float nan right? :) |
| 15:20 |
Krock |
you can also test Lua code online to check this behaviour |
| 15:20 |
Krock |
nan? only if point and point are nan |
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Krock |
nan nan nan BATMAN |
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twoelk |
and? not or? |
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juli |
ok i interpreted point as . |
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Krock |
twoelk, redundancy as point == point |
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Krock |
(point or point) == (point and point) |
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juli |
enought point! |
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juli |
ok lol i have an lua interpreter on my pc, could have tested it myself :) |
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twoelk |
maybe to aknowledge parrallell worlds? in memory of sh |
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Krock |
the memory of sh is 748 KiB here |
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Krock |
that's quite small when you ask me |
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juli |
byeeee |
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calher |
WHOA! Lotsa peeps here! |
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calher |
How do I make a texture for my character? |
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twoelk |
calher: easiest would be find some online mc-skin-creator, save in old 32*64 format and point some admin to your creation if you want to use it online |
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twoelk |
or upload here http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/ |
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twoelk |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=311202#p311202 <- skin template near there |
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calher |
twoelk: An online Minecraft skin creator no doubt requires proprietary JavaScript code to run. Is there a way to do it with free/libre software instead? |
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twoelk |
you can always edit a downloaded skin ofline with any pixel editor |
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twoelk |
look at the template to see what area maps to which part of the avatar |
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twoelk |
if on windows you can even use old paintbrush |
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twoelk |
gimp might be a little overkill but will work just the same |
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sofar |
gimp is actually nice since you can use various tools to do things that would take too long by hand |
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sofar |
like adding shadows or accents, shift colors etc. |
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__vy |
very happy, seems like I can abuse modmessage for server-server communication |
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__vy |
*mod channels |
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sofar |
yes, I wouldn't really call that abuse though |
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sofar |
just a complex way to communicate server-to-server :) |
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it's a good side-effect out of the CSM development |
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sup |
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__vy |
need to find out if out-of-band resource sending works |
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__vy |
one thing I could do is make the proxy send the client all the resources of all the servers up-front |
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sofar |
__vy: you've heard of the remote media server protocol? |
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sofar |
I wonder if you could just spawn a second thread |
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__vy |
going through https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientiface.h |
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__vy |
it would be nice if I could just `TOCLIENT_ANNOUNCE_MEDIA` again and have the client download new resources |
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__vy |
I guess making the client go through that bootstrap phase again |
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sofar |
do you just want to dynamically add new resources or are we talking bungeecord-like server-to-server hopping? |
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__vy |
ah yeah, this is for server hopping |
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sofar |
I wouldn't do it that way |
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I would just reinitialize the client |
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avoid all the protocol rigidity that way |
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create a new client object, initialize it in a secondary thread and authenticate and download resources |
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then switch to it once it's ready |
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Out`Of`Control |
hi |
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seems much simpler that way |
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__vy |
ah, this is trying to avoid core changes if possible |
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Out`Of`Control |
what about adding new tool. that can dig only metal nodes |
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Out`Of`Control: make a mod? |
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__vy |
though, having the ability for the server to force a client to re-init would be a nicer experience |
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__vy: simplest change you could do is just add a new TO_CLIENT_REDIRECT packet |
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and add a lua API for it |
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cal |
Out`Of`Control: what free/libre program can i use to make a skin for my character? |
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then all the work is client-side |
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Out`Of`Control |
cal: i don't know maybe blender? |
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cal: any paint program will do |
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cal: gimp and krita are used a lot |
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I use gimp, I like it |
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cal |
sofar: how is it done? |
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take an existing skin, open it in gimp, modify, add it to your mod/game |
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cal |
sofar: where are skin files available? |
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everywhere |
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just google for `minetest skins` |
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there's even a whole website with nothing but minetest skins |
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http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/ |
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