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00:01 red-001 nobis tech eh?
00:01 red-001 never heard of them
00:02 red-001 funny thing the top google search for them is spam
00:03 red-001 ah it's good old uniquity server solutions
00:04 VanessaE me neither.
00:05 red-001 VanessaE, funny thing that OC being all high and mightly likes to use the same IP ranges and domain names the spammers, hackers, scammers and all other sorts of people involved in illegal actitives also use
00:05 VanessaE in any case I don't give two fucks and a fart about his VPSs.
00:05 VanessaE I blocked all of gorillaservers at my firewall.
00:06 * red-001 shills a certain mod
00:06 VanessaE /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 104.250.128.0/19 -j DROP
00:07 * red-001 waits for OC to move his sites to whatever freedom hosting replacement is big right now
00:08 VanessaE heh
00:08 red-001 with the sorts of key words that they have, they would fit right in
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00:12 Gallium Once KiwiIRC is blocked, I have multiple VPNs... so moderation will be the only option. Tell Auke Kok that his attorney slipped up. And is going to go up his, hm, assumptions. BTW folks, check out http://leonardduboff.com/ (And, Andrew, you can't block snailmail) Jordach... Do you have any idea of what we could have accomplished last year? What you
00:12 Gallium r decisions have cost the project? It's like you wanted to burn it all down.
00:12 Gallium Andrew, you are a coward
00:12 Gallium You post "Yup, yup, yup", when you know the truth
00:12 Gallium Jordach, we could have finished the new game framework by now
00:13 Gallium Does any one of you, a single person, have a conscience? Or reflect at all? Nope :)
00:13 Gallium was kicked by VanessaE: Gallium
00:15 red-001 > pretending we wouldn't block vpns if you force us to
00:15 VanessaE for every VPN he thinks he has, we have twice as much ban capacity. :P
00:17 red-001 have to say these IPs serve as a good verification for the mod
00:17 Cornelia O.o
00:17 Cornelia I feel I missed something.. but somehow think I know what's going on. :P
00:18 VanessaE don't ask, Cornelia
00:18 VanessaE you don't want to know.
00:18 Cornelia Probably not, but that's the worst thing you can tell someone who doesn't know what's going on. :P
00:18 red-001 maybe it's reverse pyschology (its not)
00:19 VanessaE as for moderation, he shouldn't tempt me, because if it comes down to it, I'm not afraid to set the necessary flags......
00:19 red-001 it's good partice for people to register and ID with freenode anyways
00:20 VanessaE Cornelia: short version:  that man is Robert Kiraly, a troll.  He thinks every high-profile Minetest user and most if not all the devs are involved in DDoS'ing servers he owns, and he thinks all of the above plus most of freenode high brass are part of a child porno ring.
00:20 Cornelia I registered a year ago... And then sometime this year someone started trying to use my nick. :P
00:20 VanessaE he is more often known as OldCoder
00:20 red-001 it's like pizzagate but it makes less sense
00:21 VanessaE HA!
00:21 * ThomasMonroe hides from the unspoken name
00:22 red-001 honestly half the time I don't know if he is a troll, deluisional or both
00:23 Cornelia I..  uh... Erhmm... https://i.imgur.com/7kZ562z.jpg
00:23 VanessaE Cornelia: you win the internet :)
00:23 VanessaE lol
00:23 VanessaE red-001: both.
00:23 VanessaE part and parcel.
00:25 red-001 well if he continues he might get a spot on infowars
00:25 VanessaE lol
00:27 red-001 I think we could fix this issue by blocking accounts not logged in with freenode between 11:00 GMT and 6:00 GMT
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00:28 red-001 23:00 GMT*
00:29 red-001 so 15:00 to 22:00 OC time
00:30 VanessaE if it were up to me I'd just block webchat entirely.
00:30 VanessaE and not-logged-in accounts too for that matter.
00:31 red-001 can't disagree with that
00:31 red-001 just make sure sfan5 gets the bot to login first
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00:33 kikaru *So, VanessaE, you're there. I told Arion about husband Abe & your mental and physical illnesses. Next time, my response is public and Cc'd to TV station you know. And to neighbors IRL. Wish their names? And Jordach=Shara=Toby=Sokomine I've redone a number of mods and am close to a framework. You of all people should understand my level of commitme
00:33 kikaru nt. Explain it to others. http://minetest.org/ http://aukekok.com/ nore Rubenwardy shivajiva
00:33 red-001 VanessaE, got another one?
00:33 kikaru Tell Red and Vanessa to note the post on minetest.org of a "log disabled" chat *after* was kicked last month. Don't bother with [off]. And tell Red... is he enough of a fool that he doesn't understand the difference between throwaway identities and ones that I spend more time on? Who else in the current room is me? :)
00:33 kikaru :)
00:33 kikaru was kicked by rubenwardy: kikaru
00:33 red-001 rubenwardy, mind temp blocking users that are not logged in?
00:34 VanessaE "Cc'd to TV station you know. And to neighbors IRL"  HAH!  don't make me laugh.
00:34 red-001 can a TV station get a restraining order?
00:34 VanessaE I assume so
00:34 red-001 I'm sure Oldcoder would know
00:35 rubenwardy so, he divulges peoples health issues to the public internet and in emails
00:35 rubenwardy yet he's the victim here
00:35 rubenwardy \o/
00:35 pgimeno wasn't there a mode to ignore PMs from non-registered users as well? can't remember how that was set
00:35 Unit193 /umode +R
00:35 VanessaE pgimeno: usermode +R I think
00:36 pgimeno thanks
00:36 red-001 rubenwardy, he was the victim whose free speech was being blocked when his family filled a domestic abuse restraining order agaist him
00:36 red-001 he even posted that on his site like he was proud of it
00:36 VanessaE heh, freenode staff speaks :)
00:36 rubenwardy red-001: is your VPS mod blocking or nonblocking?
00:37 rubenwardy ie: I'd expect it to let users in, but only give default_privs once the IP is verified
00:38 red-001 no it doesn't let them in, there is an API I'm planning to document asap so you can just do that with your own mod
00:39 red-001 there are a few modes in it, but the default one kicks the user as soon as thier IP gets flagged and forces them to join with one that isn't if they want to stop getting kicked
00:39 rubenwardy I see
00:39 rubenwardy shouldn't be two hard to do, like 40 lines
00:40 red-001 I just don't want to get into feature creep here
00:40 rubenwardy it's not
00:40 rubenwardy it should be the default mode
00:40 red-001 but what would be the goal of it?
00:40 rubenwardy the pre join callback is the most intensive part of my server
00:40 red-001 letting people see the server?
00:40 rubenwardy so I'd rather not block it with a HTTP request
00:40 rubenwardy no no
00:41 rubenwardy it should ban them if the IP is bad
00:41 rubenwardy and give privs if good
00:41 rubenwardy this would be helpful for ban avaders mostly
00:41 rubenwardy although loads of users have dynamic IPs
00:42 red-001 oh that would basically be the current default expect with no prives being granted
00:42 red-001 rubenwardy, the default check runs in on_newplayer
00:42 rubenwardy and is async?
00:42 red-001 yes
00:42 rubenwardy cool
00:43 red-001 well not the way that mods should depend on it being async
00:43 red-001 if the ip is already cached in memory it isn't async
00:43 rubenwardy obv
00:44 red-001 rubenwardy, is there a built in way to grant default privs to a player that mods are expected to use?
00:45 rubenwardy the best way would to revoke all privs
00:45 rubenwardy then read from the setting and grant again
00:45 red-001 ok so just setting
00:45 rubenwardy remember str_to_privs
00:46 rubenwardy `minetest.string_to_privs(str)`: returns `{priv1=true,...}`
00:46 red-001 rubenwardy, at what point are the default privs granted? Can I expect nothing to be attemping to mess with them once core.register_on_newplayer is being called?
00:46 rubenwardy I'm not sure, you'll have to find out \o/
00:47 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/4edf08709010f721b099dfae3cab011a​cbdfb3ff/builtin/game/auth.lua#L104
00:47 rubenwardy they're set on create_auth
00:47 rubenwardy that'll be the same time the account is made, before newplayer
00:47 red-001 ah so I should be good them
00:47 red-001 then*
00:47 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/b88595050f3af5ccac06aac331ead4ebdcb9de​b9/src/script/cpp_api/s_server.cpp#L106
00:47 rubenwardy yeah
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01:01 epoch so, has anyone tried to use https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse for village or general map generation?
01:20 red-001 would freenode staff mind dealing with * [cheapie_] (526614de@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.102.20.222): [https://kiwiirc.com] Development release
01:20 red-001 it's OC spamming the german channel
01:24 red-001 it would be really handy right now to have a flag to block chat from unregistered users from showing up even in channels
01:24 red-001 like +R for users but stronger
01:24 Unit193 You mean, like channel mode +r?
01:25 red-001 a user mode that would simulate that being set for any user with it, I can see that it could cause issues
01:29 Unit193 Oh, well no.  You can't change other users modes.
01:31 epoch +m and +v won't help?
01:32 red-001 Unit193, not other users
01:32 epoch won't help with join or part spam, but can with privmsg spam.
01:32 epoch can have a bot to +l N+1 after a delay if you want to rate-limit joins
01:32 red-001 just a usermode that simulates +R being set for any channel messages you recieve
01:33 red-001 doesn't change anything for other users apart from thier messages not reaching you
01:55 VanessaE fucknut keeps messaging me, demanding i give back something that was taken, but i have no idea what he's talking about not.
01:55 VanessaE now*
01:57 wilkgr Maybe his dignity? <g>
01:57 VanessaE beats me
01:58 VanessaE I'm totally clueless now what he wants.  some gibberish about "diffusion of responsibility"
01:58 VanessaE whatever that means.
01:58 wilkgr apparently related to the bystander effect. but if we're all guilty, then none of us are bystanders, are we?
01:59 VanessaE you got me.
01:59 VanessaE I've no fucking idea what's going on.
02:00 wilkgr me either haha
02:09 red-001 VanessaE, there is a reason +R was invented
02:10 VanessaE I thought I already had that set....
02:10 VanessaE well now I do
02:10 red-001 it gets reset on connection
02:10 VanessaE not sure how ...oh
02:15 Unit193 VanessaE: You may want to look at your client settings, some have an option to set the defaults.  Eg, mine has 'usermode' which I can set to +Qiw
02:15 VanessaE checking...
02:19 VanessaE eh, I'll deal with it later.
02:19 VanessaE don't feel like digging into my znc settings (in hexchat, I found the place for it just now, and set it)
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03:43 Sokomine epoch: mg_villages uses perlin noise for deciding where to place a village. that code is from nore. i still don't really understand perlin noise as such and consult nore or paramat when needed
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04:10 wilkgr How do I make a texture animated rather than having Minetest squash it when defining a node?
04:13 epoch have code that is continually changing the texture?
04:14 wilkgr Minetest supports animated textures, doing it with Lua just makes it laggy ;)
04:14 epoch you know more about it than I do then.
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04:14 VanessaE wilkgr: take a look in default/nodes.lua, search for torch, water, or lava
04:15 Sokomine wilkgr: take a look at the texture of the furnace_active in ...
04:15 wilkgr ah, thanks :)
04:15 Sokomine VanessaE was faster :-)
04:15 wilkgr got it
04:15 VanessaE ninja'd ;)
04:15 VanessaE hi-yah!
04:15 Sokomine exactly :-)
04:15 * wilkgr watches piece of wood fly out the door
04:15 * Sokomine bribes a bot to ninja vanessae next time :-)
04:15 VanessaE hhe
04:15 VanessaE heh
04:18 wilkgr It works!
04:18 * wilkgr pumps fist
04:19 VanessaE :D
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04:21 VanessaE !next
04:21 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
04:43 Sokomine *g*
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05:24 wilkgr I may be the next customer
05:24 wilkgr depending if this works or not :P
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08:22 wilkgr is it possible to return false for on_construct or do I need to have it remove the block and put it back into the inventory manually?
08:27 wilkgr oh wait
08:27 wilkgr never mind :)
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11:15 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, official Minetest channel | Spam in PM? Do /umode +R | Latest version: 0.4.16 (2017-06-03) | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/
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13:29 Taoki Was Amaz_ OldCoder? Found myself email with more bizarre messages earlier.
13:29 Taoki Sorry, PM not email
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13:35 rubenwardy Taoki: yes
13:36 rubenwardy do /umode +R
13:36 rubenwardy will stop PMs
13:36 rubenwardy from unregistered users
13:36 Taoki I should keep this in mind. Thanks.
13:36 * Taoki siiiighs
13:37 Taoki He was a good and sane guy when I knew him years ago... jeez >_<
13:47 Sketch2 started on a '302'  https://mobile.twitter.com/doyous​ketch2/status/965941384036388864
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15:12 lisac wtf https://pastebin.com/ucDpwce6
15:14 Taoki lisac: Yeah, that's the exact PM I got.
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15:21 Sketch2 ouch.  Sounds like someone's a muck-raker
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15:31 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Vertical biome blend: Tune blend patterns f9ad061 https://git.io/vAR6O (2018-02-20T15:28:52Z)
15:31 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Dungeons: Add Y limits in all mapgens 2bc7c5f https://git.io/vAR63 (2018-02-20T15:25:37Z)
15:31 MinetestBot [git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Delete world dialog: Move buttons to avoid double click deletion 0f015b2 https://git.io/vAR6s (2018-02-20T15:21:59Z)
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16:12 red-001 Taoki, he did seem sane a while back
16:12 red-001 lisac, ignore and wait for the k-line
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16:23 xerox123_ Ye olde developer is back, eh?
16:23 red-001 aye
16:23 red-001 ye olde codie ist back
16:25 red-001 he is repeating all those words he knows again
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16:25 BillyS YAYZW
16:28 BillyS For having so many users, this channel is pretty quiet rn
16:30 sfan5 it's always quiet
16:30 BillyS ..except when OC joins. Then the bans fly. :P
16:30 red-001 rubenwardy, btw I edited the mod to remove the user privs before regranting them once the IP address is verified
16:31 BillyS At least, the time I was here when he joined it got pretty chaotic
16:31 rubenwardy nice!
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18:04 BillyS I think I may start using encryption so that  only people who I trust with the key can read what I say, ie not OC.
18:05 sy totally agree, in fact i also think that 41399729632c0c73e6eaefd3711371ea15744888
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18:09 BillyS heh
18:09 BillyS To anyone who uses ZNC, you can use the crypt module
18:12 rubenwardy if you speak in
18:12 rubenwardy if you speak in a minetest channel purely encrypted, you will be kicked/muted/banned
18:13 rubenwardy use OTR or similar for PMs
18:13 rubenwardy but don't for channels
18:15 MinetestBot [git] t4im -> minetest/minetest_game: Bones: Iterate player inventory lists dynamically (#1229) 283636b https://git.io/vA0vb (2018-02-20T18:15:03Z)
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18:33 AndroBuilder how far is minetest 0.5. from beeing official? since it's still in dev?
18:33 AndroBuilder what changed according to "creative mode/priv" from 0.4.16 to 0.5_dev ?
18:36 Sketch2 unspecified months.
18:48 Krock nothing much has changed there IIRC
18:53 AndroBuilder ok and another question, how can i change the "surface"/texture of a any block to change to f.e. red?
18:55 Krock what's a surface node buy your definition? dirt, dirt with grass, sand?
18:55 Krock s/buy/by/
18:56 AndroBuilder any block ... would be great to have like a red texture instead of the node-typical?!
18:57 AndroBuilder i managed to "replace" any block with a "red-colored-dirt block" .... but it would be better to color it just like using a sprey can
18:57 Krock if it only should affect your current client, then you could modify the shaders to add a red touch. Otherwise you'd have to loop though each node (minetest.registered_nodes) and overwrite the tile definition with a ^[colorize modifier
18:58 rubenwardy hardware could be used if the node doesn't use param2
18:58 rubenwardy (eg: isn't rotatable)
18:59 Krock that requires a palette and paramtype2 definition.. also quite much effort
18:59 AndroBuilder mhhh ounds complicated
18:59 rubenwardy oh no!
18:59 rubenwardy forums.minetest.net is down!
18:59 rubenwardy everyone panic!
18:59 rubenwardy aha, there goes c55's VPS
18:59 Krock s/forums/forum/
19:00 rubenwardy should be forums :P
19:00 Krock minetest.net too
19:01 Krock rip. *throws some flowers at screen*
19:04 red-001 if minetest.net is down doesn't that mean the DNS got messed up?
19:05 red-001 I thought that was pointed to github servers
19:05 rubenwardy no, there's a reverse proxy for HTTPs reasons
19:05 red-001 ah
19:09 red-001 on the bright side the server list wasn't hosted on it so it's still up
19:11 red-001 huh I didn't know someone setup a mailing list for minetest
19:12 rubenwardy there isn't
19:12 rubenwardy +?
19:12 red-001 there is a subdomain for it https://lists.minetest.net/
19:13 rubenwardy oh odd
19:13 rubenwardy never been used afaik
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19:23 AndroBuilder ShadowNinja: two question about your areas mod :) 1) is there an integration with WorldEdit? (so marked Areas in WE will be protectable/nameable/... and 2.) is it possible like in the issue 4 to add a group-support? maybe the mod factions (https://github.com/sapier/factions) so group leaders can add protected areas f.a.
19:23 AndroBuilder f.e
20:11 raymoo[m] Is something wrong with the forums?
20:11 raymoo[m] Oh my matrix log just loaded
20:12 raymoo[m] Hmm, I wonder who could be behind this
20:14 Gael-de-Sailly I can't connect on the forum either
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20:26 Calinou it is down :(
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20:44 rubenwardy raymoo[m]: no one
20:44 rubenwardy OpenBSD maintainers, if anything
20:47 raymoo[m] Ah, ok
20:47 raymoo[m] some bug then
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20:54 red-001 MinetestBot, nice
21:16 Sketch2 if anyoone wondered,  https://forum.minetest.net/  is up again
21:18 red-001 yep been back for a while, the server got rebooted by celeron
21:19 BillyS Hmm, what does MinetestBot do?
21:19 red-001 MinetestBot, help
21:19 red-001 !help
21:19 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
21:19 Sketch2 it's scripted to do a few things
21:20 Sketch2 like past pix of cats and doggos
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22:56 Peppy hi, I would like to share some infos about someone (you know who) who is trying  to localsave our map
22:57 red-001 Peppy, are you the person that was asking about removing a server from the list a while back?
22:57 Peppy yes I am
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22:58 red-001 ah ok, just wondering
22:58 Peppy should I pm you ?
23:00 red-001 ehh, if you want to reach other server owners I suggest #minetest-hub
23:00 BillyS More OldCrazy madness, Ill bet
23:01 red-001 BillyS, "someone (you know who"
23:01 BillyS Yep
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23:01 BillyS I think we all know who . . >_>
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23:01 Peppy well i'm at -hub now
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23:15 swift110 sup folks
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