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00:09 danSNDBX hey rubenwardy. you are riht the fps is a broblem :( my cpu strugles with the recording. I am not sure if speeding up is realy the best solution. I personaly like "slow" videos. If i am done with a part of the tutorial i just skip a few seconds and continue watching.
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00:10 MaybeDragon I like watching tutorials at 1.5 to 2x speed; skipping = accidentally missing
00:15 Calinou danSNDBX: you need a decent machine for recording smooth videos, sorry :P
00:15 Calinou many people like 60 FPS videos today, which makes the problem worse
00:15 Calinou you can use GPU-based encoding if you have a dedicated graphics card
00:15 Calinou (OBS supports NVENC)
00:15 danSNDBX I use OBS
00:17 danSNDBX well... for your eye the difference between 30 and 60 fps is pretty small... - the vid is recorded with 30 fps, but it looks a lot less cause of CPU. It also changes during the video depending on for e.g. which direction I look at (and how many trees are in that direction)
00:18 Calinou it is not pretty small, it's pretty noticeable in faster games
00:18 swift110 Astrobe, ok me too
00:18 Calinou but it's noticeable even if looking at a slow game or a desktop screencastr
00:18 Calinou -r
00:18 Calinou see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XptlVErsL-o, which is available in qualities up to 1440p60
00:18 MaybeDragon I play in 30fps #potato-master-race
00:19 danSNDBX @maybedragon u can do that in your personal YT settings. Watching YT videos faster is actually very easy possible for everyone
00:19 MaybeDragon danSNDBX: yea, right, but only maximal 2x in the default youtube player
00:19 danSNDBX so i think makeing a slow vid is "ok" since everyone can watch it in 1.5x or2x speed with only two clicks
00:20 danSNDBX well, most people become sick at 16x :D
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00:21 MaybeDragon If everyone is supposed to play it in 2x speed than the default is definitely too low
00:22 MaybeDragon Ahh, don't mind me; I normally don't watch building videos; irrelevant feedback
00:24 danSNDBX no, it helps a lot, thank you for your opinion!
00:25 danSNDBX I try to work on the FPS thing but i think i need a better machine :(
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00:26 danSNDBX and i wrote down the speeding up thing. i am not sure about it (the video is only 4 mins at all) but i will keep it in mind. Maybe speeding up is something for bigger projects (longer videos)
00:42 MaybeDragon danSNDBX: You might also do both? Mainly do your videos in the speed you like; but also build small .gifs out of them in a very high time lapse?
00:44 danSNDBX maybedragon that sounds like an idea. but do you think it works to publish the sam vid in two different speeds?
00:46 MaybeDragon Idk; But if I'd watch lots of posts on FB (or whatever) I wouldn't stop to watch 4mins of building. But a 30s time lapse might make me interested in more
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01:35 danSNDBX calinou thx for the link, but how can this help me with my fps problem?
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01:58 Bloquito77 hi, somebody knows tats?
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04:44 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Various improvements 70a90bc https://git.io/vNcN0 (2018-01-15T04:42:14Z)
04:44 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mapgen folder: Update and improve copyright information of files 1424741 https://git.io/vNcNE (2018-01-15T04:42:08Z)
04:45 nepugia Damn, those colors look really bad on my client (contrast-wise)
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06:19 jas_ np: https://soundcloud.com/charts/new?gen​re=drumbass&country=all-countries
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08:11 jas_ !server decibel
08:11 MinetestBot jas_: No results
08:11 jas_ or if minetestbot could look in description for search query.  i wonder if there's a different !command.
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10:08 lumberJ hey danSNDBX
10:08 danSNDBX hi lumber
10:08 danSNDBX how are you today :)?
10:08 lumberJ pretty good, you?
10:10 lumberJ I was just about to sign off. i have a bit of work to do around here, but I figured I'd say hello on my way out.
10:10 danSNDBX a bit tired. still first drinkin coffee
10:10 lumberJ nice
10:10 lumberJ i've been up all night at work
10:10 danSNDBX *still drinkin first coffee
10:10 danSNDBX haha ok
10:10 danSNDBX today is my last day off
10:10 danSNDBX tomorrow i need to o back to office
10:11 lumberJ well, enjoy.
10:11 lumberJ maybe i'll catch you on a little later
10:11 danSNDBX so i want to do one more video today. cause i wont have time to do more till the weekend
10:11 danSNDBX thanx :)
10:11 lumberJ nice. Lupercus plugged your channel on my forum page
10:12 lumberJ not sure how much traffic we get there, but it won't hurt
10:12 lumberJ well have a good morning, and i'll see you later on
10:13 danSNDBX i got 2 clicks so far from the forum page :) (YT analytics says)
10:13 lumberJ nice, i think eee went to check it out
10:14 lumberJ check you later, dan
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10:24 Aug-Top hello !
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11:16 yusf Can someone help with this issue? "Mod-loaded sound with same file name does not override" https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&t=19409
11:42 sfan5 yusf: there's no defined order for duplicate media files in mods
12:04 yusf sfan5: Alright. And by "media files" you mean audio and what else?
12:05 yusf Disregard the thing I wrote about textures, because without my clumsiness that part actually works.
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14:46 danSNDBX uploading a minetest vid again. this time fps seems to be better :)!
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15:52 danSNDBX my new minetest video is online, the fps should be better now :)! Please check it out: https://youtu.be/KK7QSb9MReE
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16:04 jluc that's funny
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16:13 danSNDBX u like it jluc :)?
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16:50 jluc i showed it to my son :-)
16:51 danSNDBX cool, did he like it :)?
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18:43 viaken Figuring out which mods to add is ...difficult.
18:44 viaken Like, what are the differences amongst the ~half dozen mods that add mobs/enemies.
18:45 viaken What's mesecons? technic?
18:45 viaken Just a lot out there.
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18:47 Raven262 Well, you can ask about any mod here, viaken.
18:47 Shara viaken: maybe spend some time on servers using different mods to get an idea?
18:47 Shara It's often a quicker way to check mods in action than setting them up yourself
18:48 Raven262 Thats one way, but smart server owners won't use mods that don't require too much resources.
18:48 Raven262 Or many mods that together do.
18:48 Shara Raven262: of course not, but you can't start checking if mods you want are efficient until you know what mods you want
18:49 Raven262 Agreed. One gets much more ideas if they see what mods there are.
18:55 danSNDBX i actually prefer less mods.
18:55 danSNDBX dont get me wrong, there are a few realy amazing mods I enjoy
18:55 rubenwardy more mods the better!
18:56 danSNDBX but i feel like we didnt even reach the potential of the basic game  instead we rush servers with a lot (of unfinished) mods
18:56 Shara danSNDBX: considering minetest_game really is just mods anyway...
18:57 rubenwardy servers end up making their own subgames essentially
18:57 rubenwardy imo, the power of Minetest isn't with mods
18:57 rubenwardy it's the subgames
18:57 danSNDBX @Shara :D
18:57 rubenwardy the ability to craft your own (hopefully) polished gaming experience
18:57 rubenwardy most mods will have some bugs that need fixing, which more server owners contributed the fixes back
18:57 danSNDBX well minetest is a field for creativity. even without mods
18:57 Shara I just want to see more official subgames :)
18:58 rubenwardy *wished
18:58 rubenwardy most existing subgames such a bit
18:58 viaken Shara: Raven262: Both good suggestions. Thanks.
18:58 Shara such?
18:58 rubenwardy MTG isn't polished and lacks content, but is stable
18:58 rubenwardy *suck
18:58 Shara MTG makes a (mostly) good base to develop on top off.
18:59 viaken danSNDBX: What specific mods do you enjoy?
18:59 Shara But by itself it's a quick road to boredom.
19:00 danSNDBX @viaken I like mods giving me more possibilities to build and farm
19:00 danSNDBX so i love the diversity of plants on some servers
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19:01 danSNDBX and i think the saw is a pretty good idea to fix blocks in every shape u want them to have
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19:04 danSNDBX but i also dont have too much experience with mods yet. so maybe i develope my opinion on this topic with the time.
19:05 Shara It also depends a lot on what kind of game you want to play
19:06 red-001 http://rot26.org/
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19:14 blaise I'm so tired of hearing about all the complaints about the alert in hawaii
19:14 blaise why can't they just be glad they're alive?!
19:17 danSNDBX @share the important thing about minetest for me is the constructiv aspect (most other games are in some way destructiv)
19:18 red-001 blaise, how would you like it if when you went to doctor, they thought it would be a great joke to tell you that you are going to die from some uncurable illness in a few months and let you freak out for a while before telling you, that it's only a joke and you should be glad it's not true?
19:18 red-001 to the*
19:18 blaise I think we should have drills. random drills..
19:19 rubenwardy > @share
19:19 blaise but no, they can't be bothered with survival because they might kill themselves trying to stay alive...
19:19 rubenwardy almost
19:20 red-001 what is this @share
19:20 red-001 is that a new alt for Shara?
19:21 blaise red-001: I think they were talking to Shara
19:21 * Shara wants to knwo what happens if she doesn't feel like sharing
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19:27 danSNDBX did someone build houses/things with walls like that yet? https://youtu.be/KK7QSb9MReE
19:28 Shara danSNDBX: I've seen people use wter for walls in all kinds of ways.
19:28 Krock lava walls are more interesting
19:30 Billre danSNDBX: it's sort of basic .. nothing new there
19:31 Shara Atfer a couple of years running servers, seeing something new is pretty rare
19:31 Shara I like it when I do come find something new though :)
19:32 danSNDBX @krock well most water alls also work with lave. in this case just replace the wooden traps with steel traps
19:32 danSNDBX @Share yeah. i try to find somethin new :D
19:33 Shara Nooo... don't you start that :D
19:33 Shara I only get alerts on "Shara", so I'm going to start missing messages if people call me anything else. :P
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19:45 danSNDBX disconnect -.-
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19:56 blaise hrmm
19:57 blaise finally got areas protection on my spawn location
19:57 blaise people sure are distructive.......
19:57 blaise atleast now I don't have to worry about it
19:58 blaise or, my servers spawn location that is
19:58 Shara blaise: which is your server?
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20:06 blaise midnightsystems.net
20:06 Cornelia Wow..
20:06 Cornelia That timer
20:06 blaise which timer?
20:06 Cornelia At the website. :P
20:06 Cornelia COMING SOON.. AND BY SOON WE MEAN IN MORE THAN 123 DAYS
20:06 blaise Oh yeah.. :D
20:07 blaise lmao
20:07 blaise it's an inside joke
20:08 blaise the minetest server on the other hand is very much alive and well
20:10 t20kdc the countdown code seems... https://www.w3schools.com/howto/try​it.asp?filename=tryhow_js_countdown
20:11 t20kdc how should I put it...
20:12 rubenwardy I feel like that level of suspense isn't needed for a .net domain
20:12 Cornelia :p
20:12 Cornelia Note to self: put random timers on my website that link to obscure holidays on wikipedia
20:13 danSNDBX lol
20:13 blaise it's honestly not for the domain
20:14 blaise it's for a specific person whom is greedy af, and watching the domain like an insane person..
20:14 rubenwardy > may 19
20:14 blaise and they know exactly what that date and time means..
20:14 rubenwardy this disgusts me
20:14 Cornelia Omg.. lol
20:14 blaise how come?
20:14 * rubenwardy goes away to make a cuppa to console himself
20:15 Cornelia Are you auto-renewing ?
20:15 blaise yeah, why?
20:15 rubenwardy ah, I know what that day is
20:15 rubenwardy "May 19 is the 139th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar. There are 226 days remaining until the end of the year."
20:15 t20kdc ...that's...
20:16 t20kdc kind of unspecific
20:16 blaise once the date is over I'll put something else up there
20:16 blaise but for the time being the countdown is there for a single individual whom is keeping my son from me.
20:16 Shara Seems your server has a lot of media...
20:17 blaise yeah, it's uber media bound
20:17 Shara I'll take a look round, if ever it lets me
20:17 blaise it will
20:17 rubenwardy why are there two full stops?
20:18 blaise two full stops?
20:18 rubenwardy like, either use a full stop, an ellipsis, or an ellipsis and a full stop
20:18 blaise in the html?
20:18 rubenwardy "Thank you for your patience.."
20:18 blaise Oh, that's just me...
20:18 blaise I do that.....
20:19 rubenwardy well, there shouldn't be any full stops really in that context
20:19 rubenwardy just a mild stress...
20:19 Shara So much media... but not so many pages of inventory...
20:19 blaise I'm rather suprised it was only two..
20:19 rubenwardy abusing periods and fullstops stresses me...
20:19 rubenwardy idk why...
20:19 t20kdc 2, 3, 5, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3! My goodness. It's a puzzle!
20:19 Cornelia I use double dot ellipses
20:20 Cornelia Or..
20:20 blaise Shara: really? hrmmm.......
20:20 blaise I'll have to invesigate that at some point..
20:20 Shara Hmm, you don't seem to want people leaving spawn either
20:20 Cornelia I use double dot ellipses.. when I'm inserting a non-grammatical pause in a sentence that doesn't commit to a full pause. :P
20:20 t20kdc (Or everybody's just choosing different dot amounts deliberately....)
20:20 blaise oh, no.. there are doors
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20:20 blaise but there are mobs that can eat your soul
20:20 Cornelia ORLY..............
20:21 rubenwardy guys, this is stressing me...............
20:21 * blaise hides..
20:22 t20kdc That... um, is the convention that you don't use dots in a /me? ...Could someone clarify convention here?
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20:22 Cornelia I was considering adding a chapter to the mod book.. looks like I know there's a convention I should avoid... :P
20:23 rubenwardy XD
20:24 rubenwardy I'm hoping to get the modding book done to a reasonable degree by this summer
20:25 rubenwardy would love to get it printed
20:25 Cornelia Neato! :O
20:25 Cornelia I've mainly used the modding book for the nicely formatted lua_api.txt :p
20:26 rubenwardy oh, that's good to hear
20:26 rubenwardy I don't actually use it because it takes ages to load
20:26 rubenwardy because the document is massive
20:26 rubenwardy and searching is still annoying
20:27 t20kdc Split it up?
20:27 Cornelia Ages to load?
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20:31 Cornelia Writing FormSpec rendering code. :S
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20:43 quater hi, I am trying to use core.request_insecure_environment but I have nil. I would like to use FFI.
20:48 t20kdc quater: I think you have to add your mod to a whitelist or something in the config, to get anything but nil.
20:48 quater I did it
20:49 quater secure.trusted_mods ?
20:53 t20kdc quater: that should be the right setting. when are you calling request_insecure_environment?
20:56 quater https://pastebin.com/f1ZdpZ0C
20:57 t20kdc ah, you're trying to request it from a CSM?
20:57 quater in test.lua: print('Hello world !')
20:57 quater yes
20:59 t20kdc request_insecure_environment isn't actually documented as a function available to CSM, apparently
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21:15 quater I would like to use bitwise operations it is possible in lua5.2 with bit32
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21:20 t20kdc Last time I checked, status on that was: "You basically have to try and autodetect Lua 5.3 or failing that use your own implementation of bitops." *sighs*
21:25 rubenwardy quater, the insecure environment isn't and won't ever be available to CSM
21:29 quater there is no way to use/load a external library, bit32 completed lua5.2
21:31 t20kdc The solution should probably be that Minetest should have a reliable bitops library in the first place...
21:31 t20kdc ...since even with bit32 access, mod devs need to handle 4 cases, including no native bit library at all.
21:32 t20kdc 1. Lua5.1 (no bit lib, AAAA), 2. Lua 5.2, 3. Lua 5.3, 4. LuaJIT
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21:45 Cornelia Writing code to do formspec layout is so... Time consuming and error prone. :P
21:46 Cornelia I had good velocity on the project till I hit this point. :P
21:47 t20kdc slots are a weird unit to work with, because it's not actually slots, it's slots + spacing...
21:50 Cornelia *eyes narrow*
21:50 Cornelia I hope not..
21:50 Cornelia Because I've added my own spacing...
21:52 t20kdc With my usual luck regarding formspec layout, I'll probably turn out to be wrong.
21:52 Cornelia No.. no..
21:53 Cornelia It looks like you're right..
21:53 Cornelia I'm using minetest-testbox to test random formspec code
21:54 Cornelia It could just be the "widgets" themselves add spacing..
21:54 Cornelia I.e. image_button
21:55 Cornelia It looks like they do...
21:55 t20kdc Or it could be a mixture of both. Like, presumably a slot is a set amount of pixels, and the assumption is that you lay things out on a grid.
21:55 Cornelia Which is.. very... Disappointing..
21:55 Cornelia Because the system I've been building up assumed that wasn't the case...
21:55 t20kdc So everything's spaced out to add margins. But then of course that leads to an awful mess, so you then have to remove those margins again...
21:55 Cornelia And I had to add the spacing myself if I wanted it.
21:56 Cornelia I'm about to put this formspec heavy mod on indefinite hiatus...
21:56 Cornelia As going back to restructure that formspec code does not feel like fun..
21:57 t20kdc Well, how are you generating your formspecs?
21:57 Cornelia That or I may wait until the formspec replacement shows up.. O don't think I can handle this. :P
21:58 t20kdc ...there's a formspec replacement showing up?
21:58 Cornelia With a bunch of user supplied days.
21:58 Cornelia *data
21:58 Cornelia There's an issue on GitHub.. :p
21:58 Cornelia Dunno when it'll be closed.
21:58 t20kdc ...so it'll never happen. Got it.
21:58 Cornelia Heh.
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22:14 Cornelia Welp..
22:15 Cornelia Project definitely has to go on hiatus now..
22:15 Cornelia Things aren't drawn in the order specified by the formspec string
22:15 Cornelia So layering things isn't gonna work..
22:15 Cornelia NOICE
22:16 Cornelia But.. it's kinda fixable..
22:19 Cornelia Yea.. gonna have to completely change how I'm approaching generating these formspecs.
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22:22 sameyepatch hey guys, I am playing in creative mode and I sometimes need a full stack of some item, do you know how can I get it without having to leave cretive mode?
22:23 nepugia /give singleplayer itemname 99
22:23 nepugia assuming that the stack has 99 items anyway
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22:25 sameyepatch do item names get separated by underscore or do I use quotes?
22:26 Shara mod_name:item_name
22:26 Astrobe Hi, I was hosting a game when some guy came and gave "Admin armor". Did I do something wrong?
22:27 sameyepatch thanks guys
22:28 Shara sameyepatch: if on computer, press f5 and check the text at the top of the screen to easily get item names
22:29 sameyepatch Shara: hm, F5 doesn't seem to work in my case
22:30 sameyepatch it says cannot give empty item, do I need to do something else? it's a tool (a pickaxe) so I think it only works with crafting materials?
22:31 Shara f5 would only give you the names of placed nodes, so yes
22:31 Shara You'll probably need to check the mod the item is in to find the name
22:33 sameyepatch okay, I'll check that out
22:33 sameyepatch thanks again
22:33 Shara No problem
22:37 Astrobe Maybe I should remove the /give priv. But I saw him go through a closed protected door.
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22:48 Shara Astrobe: If you are running a server, you shouldn't really give the give priv to players
22:52 Astrobe It was set by default. I've removed it now.
22:53 Shara You should revoke it from any players who have it as well.
22:55 Astrobe When I saw the guy go through that protected door, I banned them then I shutdown the server a bit later.
22:55 Shara Well, that could have just been lag
22:57 Astrobe So no wall hack.
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23:10 sameyepatch so, I found that the mod is the default one and the name is pick_steel for pickaxe, and the command does give me the pickaxe but it doesn't give me a stack of 99
23:10 sameyepatch I guess it only works with crafting materials only
23:12 Shara Well, you can't stack pickaxes normally
23:12 Shara If an item can't be stacked, you can't /give a stack of it
23:14 sameyepatch I see
23:14 sameyepatch welp, what a bummer xD
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23:44 dagreatnate1 How many people here use Discord?
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23:51 MaybeDragon 42?
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