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00:00 Fixer do not store sensitive data in cloud, unless encrypted and with another local backup
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00:22 swift110 hey riff-IRC how are you
00:26 riff-IRC good you?
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00:39 swift110 good riff-IRC what are you up to
00:39 riff-IRC ripping CDs
00:50 BakerPrime Anyone know how to fix a lighting glitch that doesn't respond to //fixlight or //replace air air ?
00:50 BakerPrime Short of resetting the server.
00:51 swift110 oh ok riff-IRC
00:52 BakerPrime Nevermind, I figured it out. XD
00:52 riff-IRC Bakerprime: try filling the area with a solid object and removing the solid objects
00:52 LazyJ BakerPrime: Try planting a default:sapling near the center of the shadow and allow it to grow on its own (with a bit of help from a mese lamp).
00:52 riff-IRC ah ok
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00:52 riff-IRC Hey LazyJ
00:52 LazyJ Howdy riff-IRC ;)
00:52 riff-IRC How's the server?
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00:59 LazyJ riff-IRC, splitting the same conversation across multiple channels is confusing.
00:59 riff-IRC oh ok
01:00 swift110 lol LazyJ
01:01 Shara It's what riff does :)
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01:06 riff-IRC yup
01:07 riff-IRC I can probably manage to split it even more, but not going to
01:08 swift110 ok
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03:55 BakerPrime LazyJ/Riff-IRC: Thanks guys, I will keep that in mind next time the issue occurs. :D
03:56 BakerPrime I got it worked out with my usual methods already, but sometimes I have some really stuborn ones.
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04:38 redblade7 hi
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12:42 Beginer Hello, is it possible to set different path to debug.txt? I want debug_<number>.txt for each server.
12:45 VanessaE --logfile <foo>
12:45 Krock minetestserver --logfile <path to debug file>
12:45 Krock these ninjas..
12:45 VanessaE heh
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12:48 Beginer oh yeah! i was looking for "debug" keyword in help section *facepalm* Thank you!
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13:07 pleaseHelpMe hello, I need some help setting up a minetest server over Ubuntu via SSH. I'm new at this and need a server for a research project. I'm receiving an error that my port may already be in use and the server attempts to start at address 0.0.0.0
13:07 pleaseHelpMe if anybody could help I would really appreciate it!
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13:15 sfan5 pleaseHelpMe: try setting a different port in the minetest.conf
13:15 sfan5 like port = 30001
13:16 pleaseHelpMe okay, will do. Is the path something along the lines of ~/.minetest/minetest.conf?
13:16 sfan5 depends on how you installed the server
13:16 pleaseHelpMe I used sudo apt-get install minetest-server
13:17 pleaseHelpMe thank you for the reply btw
13:19 pleaseHelpMe that file contains one line, server_dedicated = true, should it have more?
13:20 sfan5 no that suffices in theory
13:20 sfan5 try adding a line with  port = 30001   there
13:20 pleaseHelpMe okay!
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13:21 sfan5 it's also possible that the minetest server is already running
13:22 pleaseHelpMe I've wondered about that, but this is a fresh install
13:22 pleaseHelpMe is there a way I could check?
13:23 pleaseHelpMe I've added the port line to minetest.conf but it's still trying to listen on port 30000. Also getting an address already in use error. Should the address be showing as 0.0.0.0?
13:23 sfan5 then it's not using the config file you edited
13:23 sfan5 to check look at the process list: ps auxw
13:24 pleaseHelpMe no minetestserver process running
13:25 pleaseHelpMe alright, so I need to find the actual config file?
13:25 sfan5 yea
13:25 sfan5 how are you trying to start it
13:26 pleaseHelpMe minetestserver --info, trying to follow the wiki
13:26 pleaseHelpMe can I in theory make a new config file and specify the path?
13:26 sfan5 yes
13:27 pleaseHelpMe that might be a better solution
13:27 pleaseHelpMe let me try it!
13:27 pleaseHelpMe okay, set it to that file I edited before. Now it says listening on 30001!
13:28 pleaseHelpMe it's staying on the terminal at that line, is this normal?
13:30 pleaseHelpMe when I can, should I also set the address line to be the address of the vm I'm using?
13:36 sfan5 no that's not needed
13:36 sfan5 yes that's normal
13:36 sfan5 you can use a program like tmux if you want to background it
13:36 pleaseHelpMe I'll look into that
13:37 pleaseHelpMe to clarify, the last line I'm seeing is "listening on 0.0.0.0:3001" after setting the config file
13:38 pleaseHelpMe that's correct?
13:39 sfan5 sounds correct
13:39 pleaseHelpMe thank you so much!
13:40 pleaseHelpMe If I need any more help I'll swing back. Also, when the research project is ready would it be okay to come and talk about it here?
13:41 sfan5 sure
13:41 pleaseHelpMe thanks again
13:42 pleaseHelpMe will this only stay running as long as I'm ssh'd in?
13:42 sfan5 yes
13:42 sfan5 either set it up as a proper service or use tmux as I mentioned
13:43 pleaseHelpMe excellent.
13:51 Beginer uhm, my other mtserver instance says: "ERROR[CurlFetch]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500)"
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14:22 Beginer now it says: response code 418
14:23 sfan5 uhhu lemme take a look
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14:25 sfan5 Beginer: shouldn't happen again
14:28 Beginer sfan5, thank you! now it works
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18:55 nepugia Hey, for fomspecs if i use image[] the image gets transformed to the size i specify, is there an alternative where the image gets cropped?
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19:36 Open_Future Hi All, is there a way to make a map of Canada?
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19:54 Open_Future anyone?
19:56 VanessaE you could try talking to a cartographer :P
19:57 VanessaE minetest's map is only 62km on a side so the best you could do is try to model one of the smaller provinces, maybe PEI or so
19:58 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=12666
19:58 Krock ^ Open_Future
19:59 Open_Future Is there no way to use actual map data for say Canada to generate a realistic although scaled map
20:00 Open_Future Krock most if that info is old, youtube video no longer up, and I still cant make sense of what they are doing
20:00 Krock I remember that there was a project to generate the moon terrain (I guess) from collected data
20:02 Fixer VanessaE: map can be resized to 62x62 km and then that tool above can handle that
20:02 VanessaE Fixer: sure, but then it wouldn't be ralistic
20:02 VanessaE +e
20:03 Fixer VanessaE: too large, can be done in minecraft though
20:07 Krock real maps would fail in mc as you've only 256m Y space
20:11 VanessaE isn't it more like 64m, with the rest being below sea level?
20:14 Krock no idea.. never played it
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20:37 Open_Future I'm over my head on this.  But as a teacher, I can tell you that I could sure use a map of Canada in social studies with my grade 3 and 4 students.  Wish someone with more expertise could help.
20:40 Open_Future Maybe this could help http://maps.canada.ca/czs/index-en.html
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20:49 Krock generating terrain in Minetest isn't a thing but reading the source format and converting it to nodes is the challenge
20:57 Sokomine Open_Future: trouble is: even if you could generate such a map - there'd be no client that could actually *see* it. the client only loads a few mapblocks and sees a small part of the world
20:59 Sokomine Open_Future: i mean...you can take real map data, scale it down and apply it to a mapgen. but your clients would still see only such a small part of the world that it'd be almost indistinguishable from any other terrain. it's like seeing the map of canada if you just stand somewhere in the land and look around. unless someone placed a map there you'll see only a tiny bit
20:59 Sokomine Open_Future: perhaps *really* scaling it down to a very small size (maybe 1000 blocks in each direction) could help and really visualize things. otherwise...it's too big to be seen
21:04 Open_Future okay i tried something different, i went for map data for our immediate local area.  Here is the format:  Job details : Job id : 25043 Product : Point data / Données ponctuelles Data source : Canadian Digital Surface Model / Modèle numérique de surface du Canada Output format : CSV Reference coordinate system : EPSG:4617 Resolution : 0.75 arc seconds / 0.75 arc secondes
21:04 Open_Future Can I do something with this now?
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21:05 Open_Future CSV reference coordinate system
21:07 Sokomine Open_Future: if the format is well documented (guess it is?), then i think so, yes
21:07 Krock plain text? the must be a huge file - but easier to read from Lua
21:07 Krock s/the/that/
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21:08 Open_Future want to see the file Krock?  I can make it available as a link....6.2mb as zip file
21:08 Sokomine i have no idea how many actual points there'll be at a resolution of 0.75 arc secons. i know what it stands for in general but have no conception of the actual resolution
21:09 Sokomine hm. that's not too big. you might just load it and apply it to the map for an extra mapgen
21:10 Open_Future i dont know how to do that
21:10 Sokomine there are two ways: change/create the map with an external program (sofar mentionned that) or do it ingame with a mod that implements a new mapgen
21:11 Open_Future https://drive.google.com/open?id=​1FRz2430etial9Z3ZLH4b7zbuVWVLVH1z
21:11 Sokomine depends a bit on how large the data structure you have will actually be
21:13 Sokomine how large do you want the map to be ingame? 1 point = 1 mapnode?
21:13 Sokomine er, 1 point = 1 m? figure out how much data you have; analyze your data
21:14 Open_Future the point data file is 8 mb  here it is https://drive.google.com/open?id=​1-G0av44F-Wpgbu-G9HMb_ahVdrrHOhZ9
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21:17 sofar Open_Future: I suppose I can just convert a map for you
21:17 sofar or do you have specific requirements for scale?
21:18 sofar lemme show you some screenshots of the result
21:18 Open_Future ok, really appreciate this
21:20 Open_Future the map data is basically for our local area...so that part would be cool for the students to help create our downtown etc.
21:22 sofar it'll take me a sec to find a recognizable spot
21:22 sofar since 70% is water, lol
21:27 sofar https://i.imgur.com/3tJQ7jo.jpg
21:27 sofar no idea where that is yet, lol
21:28 Open_Future we are near lake huron
21:29 sofar this is a whole earth map
21:29 Open_Future now what process did you use to make that.....
21:30 sofar once I find out where I am on the earth, I'll be able to find anything quickly, lmao
21:30 sofar `mcimport`
21:30 Open_Future so you ran mcimport on the csv file?
21:30 sofar no, this is converted from someone who made a MC map off world data
21:31 sofar they also used vegetation and soil data so you get an actual somewhat realistic result
21:31 Open_Future cool
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21:44 sofar https://i.imgur.com/R3Jj8TP.png brazil coastline from 1000 height
21:50 sofar this map is so large
21:50 sofar I just get lost
21:50 sofar finally made it to the carribbean, lol
21:52 sofar https://i.imgur.com/e2Upeh2.jpg
21:53 Krock cute island
21:53 redblade7 hi
21:53 redblade7 does anyone know if the official android client knows param2 dyes?
21:53 redblade7 param2 wood and clay i mean
21:53 redblade7 because someone told me they saw white wood
21:53 redblade7 i know with desktoip, the latest version is fine
21:53 redblade7 0.4.16
21:54 redblade7 but i dont know what the official phone client uses
21:54 redblade7 or if she's using a fake
21:58 sofar Open_Future: almost there, want a live feed? I can stream my exploratin, lol
22:00 sofar err, how do I see my own live stream url, lmao
22:00 sofar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QUNKtk5ex4
22:00 sofar Open_Future: take a look ^^
22:06 sofar Open_Future: at the Hudson bay atm
22:07 Open_Future ok
22:09 Open_Future ok im watching you
22:10 Open_Future so hudson bay lowlands are right next to hudson bay, then artic tundra etc north of that
22:10 Open_Future west coast are Mountains
22:10 Open_Future south of hudson bay is candiaen shield and great lakes regions
22:10 Open_Future yeah that hudson bay
22:11 sofar yep, anyway, that's the scale of this map
22:11 sofar you can see the projection used causes deformation up north a lot
22:12 sofar the whole map is 1.3gb compressed
22:12 Open_Future well that would be good
22:12 Open_Future is there anyway you can get just Canada out of that
22:12 sofar there are methods to prune it down to a certain section
22:12 sofar yes
22:13 sofar I wrote some code already to do this quickly
22:13 Open_Future like if you did west coats, great lakes, and east coast Nova Scotia, Newfoundland that would be great
22:13 sofar with some small mods I can make it cut any region
22:13 Open_Future here is link to map or area I would ideally like to have
22:13 sofar the USA one I did (48 lower states) ended up 200mb compressed
22:13 sofar which worked out OK
22:14 Open_Future http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/ima​ges/images&amp;downloads/map_phys.jpg
22:14 sofar I did that one for a school as well :)
22:14 sofar yeah, I saw your image on the forum
22:14 sofar I've got some new years calls to make atm
22:14 Open_Future Well it would be super if you could do Canada....I would put the map somewhere where others could use it too and give you the credit....
22:15 sofar it'll take me some time to do this, ofc
22:15 Open_Future okay, let me give you an email address you could contact me with if you like
22:15 Open_Future elston_gunn@ymail.com
22:16 sofar ok, afk a bit
22:17 Open_Future thanks a million
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