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IRC log for #minetest, 2017-11-08

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00:00 GreenDimond Oh so that's what it means
00:00 GreenDimond Thankyou :)
00:06 GreenDimond Doesnt seem to work
00:06 GreenDimond `replacements = {["bucket:bucket_water"] = "bucket:bucket"},` must be wrong?
00:06 asl97 GreenDimond: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_gam​e/blob/master/mods/bucket/init.lua#L213
00:06 rubenwardy replacements = {{ "bucket:bucket_water", "bucket:bucket"}},
00:07 GreenDimond ah I need brackets
00:07 GreenDimond braces*
00:07 rubenwardy it's a double array
00:07 rubenwardy not a dicationaly
00:07 rubenwardy *ary
00:07 GreenDimond Yeah that makes sense
00:07 rubenwardy +t
00:08 GreenDimond Thankyou :)
00:10 asl97 can minetest.get_perlin and minetest.get_perlin_map produce the same result for the same pos?
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02:15 BBmine Spambot on the loose on MT forums! "Content Spinning" is his name.
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02:29 asl97 32 posts https://forum.minetest.net/search​.php?author_id=22106&sr=posts
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03:30 VanessaE the above spambot has been dealt with.
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09:47 hisforever whats the url for screen shots?
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09:52 hisforever I have plack spots in the middleof my house how Do I get rid of them?
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14:00 Out`Of`Control Hi
14:00 Out`Of`Control My server random disppear for a while from server list, while its still there. All i could find in logs "servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 0)"
14:01 sfan5 it should reappear next time MT sends an announce
14:02 Out`Of`Control it reppear, but i have never seen it on older version
14:03 Out`Of`Control sfan5: has nothing to do with server settings
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14:04 Out`Of`Control now again my server is gone
14:05 Out`Of`Control server is 0.4.16 stable
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15:05 lumberJ Can anyone tell me does the "signlike" drawtype not support textures for what would be the top and back of the sign?
15:06 sfan5 because the sign is a flat surface
15:06 sfan5 with a depth of zero
15:06 lumberJ the description says "textured plain" so I assume not, but its a strange node that floats off the texture its built to
15:08 lumberJ if it attached texture directly to the node built to that would make sense, but it seems to have 1/16 of a node depths distance so that the texture floats off of the next node over
15:16 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Make use of safe file writing in auth handler (fixes #6576) fc9747e https://git.io/vFEII (2017-11-08T15:14:05Z)
15:16 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Add minetest.safe_write_file() to script API b692454 https://git.io/vFEIL (2017-11-08T15:14:05Z)
15:16 MinetestBot [git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Fix issue Minetest crash when custom font path is not exist 9526c68 https://git.io/vFEIt (2017-11-08T15:14:00Z)
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15:36 asl97 i think i over estmated the amount of mods in a game which uses minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip")
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16:52 Inocudom Eiion_ceo (lukeyourthebest) needs some assistance: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=299421#p299421
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17:07 Inocudom Linux Mint 17.3 uses Ubuntu 14.04 as its base.
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17:33 Inocudom Sfan5, can you help lukeisthebest with his compiling problem? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=299421#p299421
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17:43 Fixer be patient on irc :D
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17:45 sfan5 Inocudom: tell him to use cmake to generate VS project file
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17:51 Inocudom VanessaE, do you still use Linux Mint and/or Ubuntu?
17:53 VanessaE no, not for years.
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18:15 Inocudom Well, have you tried 0.5 dev yet? It seems to be much faster than 4.16.
18:15 rubenwardy lots of optimisations :D
18:15 VanessaE I have not.
18:15 rubenwardy but also lots of changes, so bugs :(
18:15 VanessaE I don't plan to try it for a VERY long time.
18:15 rubenwardy lol
18:15 rubenwardy :'(
18:16 rubenwardy how long is very long?
18:16 VanessaE months.
18:16 VanessaE maybe as much as a year, depends on how 0.4.x progresses in the meantime
18:16 rubenwardy 0.4.x won't receive anymore development
18:16 rubenwardy but I'd like to push for 0.5 to have a patch release for bug fixes
18:17 VanessaE 0.4.x is supposed to be getting at least one more bugfix release.
18:17 rubenwardy that will be bfore 0.5
18:17 rubenwardy in december
18:17 VanessaE problem is you guys want to do only bugfixes while leaving a few things incomplete, meanwhile 0.5.x is supposed to break stuff, and I don't wanna fight with broken mods/server/etc
18:17 Inocudom What are the main bugs in 0.5 dev?
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18:18 rubenwardy Inocudom, networking, if nerzhul has his way
18:18 rubenwardy I'm not really sure why 0.5 needs to be so breaking so far
18:19 rubenwardy the player offset could be done with compatibility checks
18:19 rubenwardy but \o/
18:19 VanessaE exactly
18:19 Inocudom It should be faster, but I guess it has connection issues?
18:19 asl97 VanessaE: can you tell me the most amount of minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip") is used by a single world on your server?
18:19 VanessaE asl97: I wouldn't know. I don't mess with VMs
18:19 rubenwardy ask paramat, he was involved with that
18:20 rubenwardy I wasn't active then (exams or coursework)
18:20 Inocudom And yes, a form of backwards compatibility is important too, mainly for the mobile users (whom there is never a shortage of.)
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18:21 asl97 the most i saw was three by an rather old subgame, if so i really over estmated the amount of mods in a world which uses minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip")
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18:22 Inocudom I find it depressing that most of the players in the Minetest servers use mobile clients, not the PC version.
18:23 rubenwardy the official Minetest app will be approved, and is something I'd vote to delay the release for
18:24 rubenwardy I personally can't even compile the app though so \o/
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18:25 asl97 VanessaE: i know your dreambuilder modpack uses three too https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_modp​ack/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=minetest.get_​mapgen_object%28%22voxelmanip%22%29&type=
18:25 asl97 but that hardly enough to justify a new api to fix the slowness of lua mapgen
18:26 Inocudom I can't compile 0.5 dev either, and I'm using Linux Mint 17.3, which has Ubuntu 14.04 as its base.
18:26 rubenwardy Inocudom, it works on Linux
18:26 rubenwardy you just need to get a supporting compiler, as was said
18:26 rubenwardy there will be a PPA for that
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18:28 o11c asl97: I for one don't trust a JIT to *ever* match native speed ... I'd rather dlopen() a mapgen
18:28 o11c asl97: how many people actually write mapgens?
18:28 rubenwardy match? no
18:28 rubenwardy mostly good enough? sure
18:30 asl97 if there is only one mod using it, it gonna be slower, (no way that it get merge), if there are two, it might just match the current speed, three, maybe a little faster but not enough to justify a new api
18:30 Inocudom Apparently, clang 3.4 and clang 3.9 can't coexist together, and you need clang 3.9 to install base clang.
18:31 o11c 3.5 is the oldest clang I play with
18:31 o11c and even then ... clang sucks compared to gcc, so I barely use it
18:32 o11c I'm currently writing a GCC plugin, and the GCC internals, which were never "designed for use as a library", are *way* more stable
18:33 o11c (as in, I'm writing one GCC plugin that works with any version from 4.5 to 8)
18:35 o11c rubenwardy: a poor object model puts you at *least* 2x slower, and many of the trivial-but-significant optimizations that are doable in native languages aren't even *conceivable* for jitted languages
18:35 o11c rubenwardy: it's amazing how much performance can be gained by putting bitfields in a union, for example
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18:54 Inocudom Well, I have cmake version 3.2.2, clang 3.9, and I am upgrading gcc to 7.2.
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19:22 Inocudom Linux Mint didn't switch to gcc 7.2 as default, and there don't seem to be any real straight answers on how to make it do so either.
19:30 Inocudom My /usr/bin has a file named gcc-7, but it is a link. The program it links to is x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-7, which is also in /usr/bin.
19:34 twoelk I seem to have difficulties to run minetest-0.5.0-fc9747e-win32. any new system recomendations I should be aware of?
19:36 rubenwardy it's compiled?
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19:40 twoelk I was trying to use sfan's built, but I assume you wasn't addressing me :-)
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19:46 Inocudom Well, 0.5 dev requires c++11.
19:47 Inocudom Which is why and went and got gcc-7, but getting the system to use it could be difficult, if not impossible.
19:50 sfan5 twoelk: nope the 32-bit ones are just broken atm
19:50 sfan5 i will try to fix this soon
19:58 Inocudom Bye.
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21:08 Out`Of`Control Hi
21:09 Out`Of`Control can i convert postgresql map back to sqlite in case it does not work well for me?
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21:11 swift110 hey Out`Of`Control
21:11 Out`Of`Control hi swift110
21:11 twoelk if it doesn't work you still got the save-to-local option :-D may take some time though
21:12 Out`Of`Control i mean when i test it for a week or longer
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21:16 twoelk actually I did something similar. copied a backup version into the local-world folder and only updated certain areas by flying there - probably to much work for larger servers I guess, nice way to merge stuff though
21:17 twoelk I got a weird version of xanadu that way :-D
21:19 Out`Of`Control lol
21:19 Out`Of`Control it would be too much work, thanks for advice twoelk. If all fails i could do that for sure
21:19 swift110 how are you Out`Of`Control
21:22 Out`Of`Control uhm
21:22 Out`Of`Control good
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21:35 rmbeer hello
21:35 rmbeer i have error in moreores genertor
21:37 rmbeer mods/moreores/init.lua:38: attempt to call field 'node_sound_metal_defaults' (a nil value)
21:37 Calinou rmbeer: what Minetest version are you using?
21:37 swift110 good to here Out`Of`Control
21:37 swift110 hey CalebDavis
21:37 swift110 i mean CalebDavis
21:37 Calinou hi swift110 :)
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21:37 rmbeer i use minetest 0.5.0-dev-65c55390-dirty
21:38 Calinou I haven't tested my mods with 0.5.0-dev, only 0.4.16
21:38 swift110 how are Calinou
21:38 swift110 wow
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21:40 Out`Of`Control what is special about 0.5?
21:43 rdococ 0.5.0 is cool. I guess.
21:43 orbea my take is that too many mods are only tested against the latest stable and the issue with mismatching versions for multiplayer makes using git versions hard for anything but devel.
21:48 rmbeer this is disappointing... all the mods not work...
21:49 rmbeer i use from the git version
21:52 rmbeer only view a stone, quartz block and ore, sound by drop blocks, and nothing more, not view the forest, more ores, etc...
21:52 CalebDavis hi swift
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21:55 twoelk make a list so the modders know where work is needed, maybe we need a <vers5checked>icon for the forum :-P
21:55 twoelk aaaand - goodnight
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22:08 rmbeer i make this list: "all"
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22:59 MinetestBot [git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Move files to subdirectories (#6599) 20a85d7 https://git.io/vFu35 (2017-11-08T22:56:20Z)
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23:02 Fixer sudden movement can be heared
23:21 freelikegnu heh S10E35 of Ubuntu Podcast gave a shoutout to minetest :D
23:21 freelikegnu then riffed on its name ^^
23:22 rmbeer GRRRR!!! minetest is BORED!!!
23:22 freelikegnu ?
23:23 freelikegnu Well they said some positive things about minetest over minecraft such as its incredible extensibility
23:25 freelikegnu so maybe more people will come into the community... guess it would be bad SEO to change the name after such a high profile plug
23:25 freelikegnu so Minetest is further doomed to remain Minetest
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23:34 TheInformer Anyone know of some good technic servers?
23:34 TheInformer active
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