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Bye. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Correct spelling of Minetest 12270dc https://git.io/vFBLa (2017-11-07T13:20:50Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Fix a few assignments to undeclared globals 415000e https://git.io/vFBLV (2017-11-07T13:19:57Z) |
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Fixer |
"Contained in serialization.lua, this module allows regions of nodes to be serialized and deserialized to formats suitable for use outside MineTest." |
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Fixer |
busted |
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sfan5 |
what |
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Fixer |
MineTest, another reminder to stop Testing and start renaming to smth better |
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jas_ |
no |
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no |
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Wuzzy |
hey |
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Wuzzy |
how an I know if an int in a StorageRef has never been touched before? |
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Wuzzy |
e.g. |
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Wuzzy |
local sr = minetest.get_mod_storage(); local x = sr:get_int("new_key"); |
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Wuzzy |
if x has never been touched (written) before, it sadly defaults to 0, NOT nil :-( |
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rubenwardy |
to check that it's not been set: get_string("key") == "" |
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rubenwardy |
combine with local val = get_string("key") |
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Krock |
Wuzzy, sorry but there are no int's stored. They're converted to strings |
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Wuzzy |
:-( |
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rubenwardy |
if val == "" then -- blag |
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Wuzzy |
but "" is a value, too |
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rubenwardy |
then if set before, tonumber(val) |
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Krock |
"" causes the deletion of that value |
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Wuzzy |
why isn't there nil? |
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Krock |
* key/value pair |
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rubenwardy |
heh |
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rubenwardy |
would have been better like that |
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rubenwardy |
but that's how metadata was designed originally, unfortunately |
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Wuzzy |
because "" is a valid value. empty string is not the same as NULL / nil |
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Wuzzy |
meh |
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Wuzzy |
alright. i will use the "" check then |
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rubenwardy |
hard to fix this without backwards compatibility issues |
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sfan5 |
do we guarantee map compatibility for 0.5? |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
at least a converter |
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willvarfar |
hi; my kids use 4.16 on xubuntu; the mods tab is blank now and they can't find things like animals; where are things? |
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sfan5 |
having a converter would not be what i define as "map compatibility" |
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sfan5 |
willvarfar: your mods should be located at ~/.minetest/mods |
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willvarfar |
aha they were under /usr/share/mintest |
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willvarfar |
that's fixed it :) |
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willvarfar |
shame there isn't an installer built into the UI ;) |
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asl97 |
I fixed oom from noise, vmip data and param2 without needing a 'buffer'. The cost is quadruple mapgen logic time. so I probably wouldn't be making an pr. The patch and timing are available for those interested https://github.com/asl97/minetest/pull/2 |
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willvarfar |
hmm I spoke too soon; they are listed in the UI now, but trying to enable anything e.g. animal_cow will just say "Unresolved name conflicts for mods "animal_cow"." Also trying to enable some of the stuff like adv_spawning-master complains that it contains illegal characters |
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rubenwardy |
that means it's in multiple places |
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rubenwardy |
I suggest removing any mods in /usr/* |
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rubenwardy |
and only installing them to ~/.minetest/mods |
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rubenwardy |
make sure you don't have multiple copies of the same modpack, as well |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
asl97, don't be afraid of the notifications for watchers. these can be marked as read quite fast |
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rubenwardy |
worth showing to paramat anyway, asl97 |
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rubenwardy |
possible he could have some suggestions |
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rubenwardy |
oh, it actually increases time overal |
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Krock |
on the one side you reduced the RAM usage but instead, there seem to be more API calls, making the whole process slower |
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rubenwardy |
maybe do some better caching, and optimise riverdev to not thrash? |
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asl97 |
Krock: I ain't really happy about the additional seconds it added to actually notify everyone about it |
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asl97 |
rubenwardy: that's an old copy of riverdev which paramat pointed me to, the whole point is not to copy everything onto lua memory space |
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rubenwardy |
yeah |
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rubenwardy |
not an area I'm familiar with |
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Krock |
rubenwardy, caching happens in C++. Either you have that all again in Lua, which causes the high RAM usage or call them from C++ by functions, which causes delays |
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rubenwardy |
I mean caching in Lua |
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rubenwardy |
say the noise is 1000x1000 |
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rubenwardy |
and you access 100,100 |
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Krock |
that's what currently happens |
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rubenwardy |
it also fetches say 10x10 around it |
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rubenwardy |
oh right |
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rubenwardy |
asl97 said everything is copied though? |
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Krock |
well, it fetches everything, assuming that it all will be used |
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rubenwardy |
right |
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asl97 |
for small simple lua mapgen, write to map takes the most time, the answer to that is a unified hook thingy on top of the on generated hook |
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asl97 |
basically everybody share the same data and param2 table that get passed around |
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Krock |
write to map, light and liquid update take between 40 and 100ms of a total time of ~230ms |
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Krock |
same or a little less than the terrain generation |
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asl97 |
that would probably be better than the current every get their own copy of data, run their own light liquid update and run their own write to map. |
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willvarfar |
cool, moving everything from /usr made the mods seem to be enabled without error messages |
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willvarfar |
but not seeing any animals or anything; is there a way to place them in creative mode? |
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Inocudom |
Calinou, your AppImage for the development version crashes with the following error: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=299259#p299259 |
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Inocudom |
I do have gcc 4.8 and clang 3.9 installed, yet this still happens. |
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Inocudom |
It is also worth noting that the compiling minetest instructions on the source code page uses cmake. There is no mention of clang nor gcc. |
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Inocudom |
They should be mentioned since they are needed. They both have c++11 in them. |
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Inocudom |
Sfan5 might be able to help since he compiles builds for Windows. |
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deltasquared |
Inocudom: does it not mention "You need a C++11 compiler" somewhere, I forget (genuine question) |
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Inocudom |
And when I said that I can compile GZDoom on my computer, I am referring to the alpha, cutting-edge, development version on GitHub. |
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deltasquared |
granted some inviduals may not know "C++11 compiler on linux = gcc or clang", but then again anyone trying to compile a dev version should know this kinda stuff |
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rubenwardy |
it's more the version than the compiler |
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Inocudom |
C++ is only mentioned for Fedora. |
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rubenwardy |
most compilers support C++11 if you use a new enough version |
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deltasquared |
pretty sure 99% C++11 support is standard these days (msvc can be a bit picky) |
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deltasquared |
no idea if debian has caught up yet |
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* deltasquared |
ducks |
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rubenwardy |
s/picky/nonstandard/g |
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deltasquared |
rubenwardy: that a bit too |
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Calinou |
Inocudom: it hasn't been updated in months |
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Calinou |
sorry, I'm just out of time right now |
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Calinou |
also, the point of an AppImage is that you don't need to install any dependency to run it |
| 21:26 |
Calinou |
deltasquared: Debian 8 and later have caught up, yes |
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rubenwardy |
Have you heard about Snap packages? |
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Calinou |
MSVC 2015 Update 3 (and 2017) fully support C++14, too |
| 21:27 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: yes, read this if you are still convinced by them: https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/Similar-projects |
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Calinou |
:-) |
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rubenwardy |
the Ubuntu guy at #live (who's also sitting in this channel) recommended them |
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rubenwardy |
lol |
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deltasquared |
I'm going to withold my opinions on app images in this instance |
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deltasquared |
slightly daft question, is minetest.get_us_time() guaranteed to be monotonic if it doesn't return wall time? |
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deltasquared |
as in, it'll never jump backwards or do something stupid |
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Billre |
somehow, I believe that's a daylight savings time question. :D |
| 21:34 |
Inocudom |
Keep in mind that Linux Mint 17 is supported till 2019, and I hope to have a new computer by then, one with at least twice as much power as the one that I currently have. |
| 21:35 |
Inocudom |
And I informed Eiion_ceo on YouTube that Minetest 0.5 dev is currently being worked on. If he still wants to work on Minetest, now would be a good time for him to do so. |
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Inocudom |
He does multi-threading and shaders, so he might be able to be RealBadAngel's successor. And RealBadAngel could use a memorial of some kind within Minetest game. |
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deltasquared |
Billre: no actually, just wanting to ensure that it's always monotonic as I will be using it for deltas |
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deltasquared |
I would assume so given the use cases for having a microsecond-accurate timer |
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deltasquared |
(such as profiling) |
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asl97 |
deltasquared: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.get_gametime |
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asl97 |
that wouldn't return crazy time, or at least it shouldn't |
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rubenwardy |
get_gametime may reset if env_meta is corrupted |
| 21:46 |
rubenwardy |
which does happen |
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asl97 |
if it corrupt, the world time becomes wrong which would be bad for mods which depend on it for events, sooo, someone should push to moving it into a database |
| 21:52 |
Inocudom |
You have some builders who are skilled enough, like fishyWET, solars, and PEAK. |
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asl97 |
Inocudom: the github repo has cpp11 tagged, the cmake file has a line which mention c++11, cmake is a makefile generator, it's standard stuff, just google something like 'cmake clang' if you want to find out how to build with clang. |
| 21:53 |
asl97 |
Also, it does not matter what other game you can compile on an outdated system, it's like saying minetest should just stick to old ways of coding and not use the new (faster) feature. |
| 21:53 |
asl97 |
not to mention, some old program don't compile on new system and i don't think anyone want minetest to reach that state, stuck with an obsolete compiler and system. |
| 21:53 |
asl97 |
like seriously, mono 3 don't even compile anymore and some games are stuck depending on it for net3.5. |
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swift110 |
sup folks |
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red-001 |
hi swift110 |
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swift110 |
how are you red |
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Inocudom |
Bye. |
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rdococ |
the swift red birds |
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GreenDimond |
Supposedly there is a way to return multiple items when crafted? Like if you have a water bucket in a recipe it leaves an empty bucket behind in the grid? |
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GreenDimond |
I dont see it documented in the API, so how do I do this? |
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asl97 |
GreenDimond: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4696 |
