Time  Nick           Message
00:31 swift110_      hey
00:32 greeter        greetings swift110_
00:34 swift110_      how are you greeter
00:35 greeter        doing great. taking a break from minetest by playing nethack. you?
00:36 swift110_      lol
00:36 swift110_      Im good
00:37 swift110_      I am actually getting into minetest more
00:37 greeter        awesome :-)
00:37 swift110_      I want A USB joystick to use with it
00:38 greeter        that'd be interesting
02:51 swift110       hey all
04:34 MinetestBot    02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Add binoculars mod with binoculars item to allow zoom 13cc371ac https://git.io/vdiQC (152017-10-13T04:32:18Z)
05:40 Flairieve      Just wondering is there any way to make a safe active loop that doesn't freeze up the game? I was trying to make my own function to print the position of the ("Pointed Thing")
05:53 sfan5          Flairieve: that doesn't make much sense since "pointed thing" is not just something you can get
05:59 sfan5          he left, lol
13:17 deltasquared   I just had the craziest idea to write a JVM bytecode interpreter in lua for use in minetest...
13:18 deltasquared   not for anything particularly fast, mind you. it was just me thinking about how arbitary lua code is really hard to prove halting, and the hoops you have to jump through with say mesecons luacontrollers to do anything useful because of restricted flow control
13:19 deltasquared   I remembered the forth machines from redpower 2 in minecraft, and I was like "...hell, why not simulate a stack machine?"
13:19 deltasquared   then my java brainwashing took over >_>
13:19 ThomasMonroe   XD
13:19 sfan5          are you saying you can solve the halting problem in the JVM?
13:19 ThomasMonroe   you and me both deltasquared
13:19 deltasquared   sfan5: no, but I *can* make sure that I can prevent the event loop from being held up
13:19 deltasquared   execute a finite number of JVM instructions per callback
13:19 deltasquared   whereas a non-halting lua function can DOS the server
13:20 * deltasquared wishes for threads for running lua code isolated...
13:20 deltasquared   also not to mention that even without clobbering the event loop too many can still impact performance.
13:22 deltasquared   sfan5: believe me, if I could solve the halting problem in the case of MT's lua environment I would be yelling a lot louder :P
15:13 greeter        greetings all
15:38 deltasquared   S-expression parser in lua... apparently I'm getting too cocky with my grasp of computer science. this can't possibly end badly.
15:47 * red-001      awaits lisp interrupter in lua
15:48 deltasquared   red-001: "interrupter" I don't get it
15:48 deltasquared   did you mean interpreter?
15:48 * deltasquared tries to not sound like a spellchecker
15:48 red-001        yes
15:49 deltasquared   red-001: I probably wouldn't do a full lisp interpreter with it. I was looking for a simple-ish syntax to act as a restricted programming language
15:49 red-001        what for?
15:49 deltasquared   though, given it's current simplicity, I suspect I won't even need that.
15:50 deltasquared   red-001: an in-game scripting facility, but I didn't want to use allow full-blown lua as you can do nasty things to the server with that
15:50 red-001        just sandbox the lua
15:50 deltasquared   I should probably just look at how luacontrollers in mesecon do it perhaps >_>
15:50 deltasquared   red-001: sandboxing ain't enough
15:50 deltasquared   if the script does something stupid like an infinite loop the server's event loop will get blocked
15:50 red-001        ah using up all resources
15:51 deltasquared   that too.
15:52 red-001        https://github.com/mozilla-services/lua_sandbox
15:53 red-001        https://github.com/APItools/sandbox.lua/blob/master/sandbox.lua
15:54 deltasquared   red-001: hang on, I'm still reading around.
16:31 orbea          is there a way to reduce the size of the biomas in map gen v7?
16:32 orbea          give it more variety
16:34 Krock          orbea, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1506
16:35 Krock          open the world's map_meta.txt and change the spread to a lower value
16:35 paramat        ninja'd
16:35 Krock          paramat, heh. Came here for the same?
16:35 paramat        'heat' and 'humidity' noises
16:35 paramat        yeah
16:36 paramat        the 3 numbers in brackets, reduce those, keep all 3 the same
16:36 orbea          awesome,thanks
16:37 paramat        those are the (very rough) max size of biomes in nodes
16:37 paramat        of course best set those before starting a world
16:37 paramat        as they're stored per-world
16:37 orbea          yea
16:37 Krock          !next
16:37 MinetestBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:38 paramat        you can leave the 'blend' noises alone
16:39 rdococ         I booted into Safe Mode and removed the Netintelligence folder in Program Files (x86).
16:39 rdococ         I cannot connect to the internet at all, except for things like IRC.
16:40 rdococ         Gonna re-enter safe mode, and see if I missed any crud.
17:06 rdococ         still the same
17:06 rdococ         in safe mode
17:24 greeter        hmm. people keep timing out on my server, and one of the users has confirmed that the issue isn't on their end. the vps itself looks fine. could there be something wrong i've done in MT causing this?
17:25 Krock          the user's fault. They should stop using weak devices or run the app in the brackground
17:26 greeter        hmm. weird that everyone else would get kicked off. maybe i just have better hardware than they did?
17:26 Krock          most likely
17:26 greeter        cool :-) except that i have some unhappy users lol
17:27 Krock          the other possibility would be that they play on the mars and thus receive the packets way too late (quite unrealistic in this time)
17:45 greeter        that's precisely why i didn't play multiplayer minetest when all we had out here was satellite internet. it was the very first thing i tried out when we finally got the upgrade to DSL
17:49 Krock          to Damn Small Linux? :P
17:52 greeter        lol no :-P
17:53 greeter        just can't wait till my fiancee and i move in together, then we'll be living somewhere that has fiber op
17:53 greeter        plus we can discuss our plans for minetest without any record of such discussions existing :-P
18:16 Fixer          satelillite internet, let me guess Antarctica, Africa, USA
18:18 Fixer          satellite*
18:20 sofar          there's no meaningful satellite on antarctica
18:20 sofar          most comm satellites don't go over the poles
18:20 Fixer          that was a joke
18:20 Fixer          i always had impression USA had really shitty ISPs
18:20 sofar          we do
18:20 Fixer          and still has
18:20 greeter        canada actually. satellite internet might be great in places but i live in a temperate rainforest. satellite is the stupidest means of communication out here
18:20 sofar          they blow chunks
18:20 Fixer          kinda amazing
18:21 WSDguy2014_    Hello, i got a big problem: I tried to post a screenshot from the game "Minetest" to showcase in Most Wanted Online Discord server and now it's gone wrong! Take a look for chat log!!! https://imgur.com/JScVjhg Your Minetest developers need to help for me to ask admin to remove strike for WSDguy2014 now!
18:21 sofar          this isn't a "wehh wehh I got banned" channel
18:22 deltasquared   I'm not going to lie, I read that and almost knee-jerked "/kick"
18:22 sofar          oh look you're in nsfw-ru and nsfw-en
18:23 sofar          WSDguy2014_: classy
18:24 deltasquared   WSDguy2014_: we're not your private army, we don't deal with discord. nothing to do with us.
18:24 greeter        so glad i don't do discord lol
18:24 Krock          ^
18:25 WSDguy2014_    sofar, i can't to look at both nsfw-ru and nsfw-en, because it's age restricted and i'm not 18 year old yet.
18:25 deltasquared   I suspect this is going to become flaming or otherwise antagonising pretty quickly. I might just calmly ask everyone to keep their heads on...
18:27 deltasquared   it says removed at the end of the image anyway *shrug*
18:28 sofar          llama llama discord drama
18:29 Fixer          rap sheet file, what the a.ck did I read?
18:31 deltasquared   Fixer: most wanted tame-ish 4chan-like?
18:32 deltasquared   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:39 red-001        sofar, discord channels are in no way related to how IRC channels work, dunno why they prefix them with a #
18:48 red-001        hi osdever
18:48 osdever        l0l
18:48 osdever        hi
18:48 osdever        the guy is kinda dumb
18:49 red-001        do ignore WSDguy2014
18:49 osdever        "they tryna ban me help mi!!!!!!!!!!111"
18:51 osdever        yet he promoted the server lmao
18:51 Krock          moving the topic here doesn't solve the war btw
18:52 osdever        he's also literally saying "ITS 18+ I CANT OPEN NSFW EN AND RU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
18:53 osdever        yet mostly there's no 18+ content in those at all
18:56 red-001        I would complain this is offtopic but that's this channel most of the time
18:57 Fixer          yeah
18:58 * greeter      relishes in the peace of IRC
18:58 deltasquared   who offtopics the offtopic...
19:03 * osdever      ok
19:04 Flairieve      Is there any such thing as a wait or a sleep, I know there is minetest.after but I want to use it inside a IF statement and not call a function.
19:05 Krock          never waste time in Lua. It will block other mods and the serverside code
19:05 red-001        ^
19:05 Krock          note that minetest.after can pass arguments to the given function
19:06 Krock          i.e.  minetest.after(2, function(arg1, arg2) do_important_things() end, arg1, arg2)
19:07 Flairieve      I want to do something like this function hello() print("Before five seconds") minetest.after(5) print("After five seconds") end
19:19 Flairieve      How do you register an account on the IRC?
19:20 sofar          do /msg nickserv help
19:22 bigfoot548     Someone should probably change the ##minetest-es in the channel to the official channel: #minetest-es
19:23 Flairieve      Can I run the NickServ command in the Status section?
19:24 bigfoot548     Flairieve: yes
19:25 bigfoot548     You can run it anywhere
19:25 bigfoot548     but it's usually safer to do it in the status section where if you accidentally add a space in front of... Oh
19:26 Flairieve      Now how do I login into my account?
19:26 bigfoot548     /msg nickserv identify password
19:26 bigfoot548     replace password with the real password
19:26 o11c           Flairieve: if you use a real IRC client that can save the info for you, it's much easier
19:27 bigfoot548     And use SASL lol
19:27 o11c           Flairieve: in order of precedence, a real client should try: SSL client cert, SASL, server password, nickserv
19:27 o11c           except I haven't met a single client that doesn't support at least one of the first 3
19:39 Flairieve      hmm
19:39 Flairieve      Uhh how do you use SASL?
19:40 swift110       hey all
19:40 swift110       Is anyone playing minetest right now
19:41 o11c           swift110: nope, too busy filling out the periodic table of elements
19:41 Flairieve      Ok I think I figured it out now
19:48 thetaepsilon   swift110: maybe, though half for mod devel purposes.
19:50 Flairieve      So like I said before, I wanted to do something like this function hi() print("Hello") minetest.after(5) print("World") end
21:21 swift110       oh ok thePalindrome
21:35 MinetestBot    02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Formspec: Fallback to 'label' in readonly textarea[] 136b23cab https://git.io/vdX03 (152017-10-13T21:14:39Z)
21:35 swift110       goodness I got plenty of time to play minetest today finally