Time Nick Message 02:00 helpless I need some help, i cannot write to my mods folder, i use ubuntu 02:02 helpless *correction i can write to my mods folder, but the mods i put in will not install, or show up in the config menu GUI 02:06 lumberJ hey helpless i will try to help 02:06 lumberJ are you in /home/youruser/.minetest/mods 02:06 lumberJ ? 02:08 lumberJ also what version of minetest are you using and what was your install method? 02:11 helpless srry, i was afk, i am in home/user/minetst/mods i'm on 0.5.0 02:11 lumberJ np 02:12 lumberJ did you build from source or use a ppa to install? 02:12 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xznaZ3_imQ 02:12 jas_ !title 02:12 MinetestBot jas_: (APHEX TWIN) The Tuss - Rushup Edge [2017 EXTRAS] - YouTube 02:12 helpless software center i think, it was a while ago 02:12 jas_ helpless: is that the source dir? did you build with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ? 02:12 jas_ if so, type bin/minetest 02:13 lumberJ just fyi, if you are new to minetest i would consider isntalling the latest stable build rather than 0.5.0 02:13 lumberJ 0.5.0 is still in development and many mods will not be compatible 02:13 helpless I'm not new to minetest, i am new to linux 02:13 jas_ if you run from the source directory, and are building locally, the mods you placed in mods/ dir should run OK if you run ./minetest from the bin directory. 02:14 jas_ i'd `cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1' for 0.5.0, perhaps, and the system-wide installed package, from repository will be 0.4.16 02:14 helpless I don't think i did a build 02:14 jas_ type `which minetest' 02:15 jas_ oh ok. if you do a local build it's easier for minetest 0.5.0-dev. otherwise, the system-wide install you can get the version with `minetest --version' 02:15 jas_ maybe you have apt repositories that have 0.5.0-dev and 0.4.16 02:15 jas_ because minetest usually comes with the distro, like debian9 has 0.4.15+repack 02:15 jas_ whatever that is 02:15 helpless brb 02:15 lumberJ my suggestion would be to uninstall 0.5.0 and add the stable ppa and install from there 02:15 lumberJ hold on i'll post you a link 02:15 helpless okay 02:16 jas_ and/or remove the apt link from your sources.list. i am wondering if he's on a nightly build ppa or something, and it's overriding his distro's version 02:16 jas_ `which minetest' and `minetest --version' should help 02:16 helpless as long as i don't have to use software center i'm happy... It takes forever 02:16 jas_ you can do `vi /etc/apt/sources.list' and `ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d' 02:16 lumberJ i'd be surprised if software center had the dev build 02:16 jas_ software center is whatever apt repos you specify 02:16 jas_ in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ 02:17 helpless It doesn't have dev, but it does have it 02:17 jas_ at least on debian/gnome, i never use it 02:17 jas_ so it could be anything, if there's some "add ppa" button on websites i wouldn't be surprised 02:18 helpless can somebody send me a link to a place that actually has just a straigh up vanilla minetest please? 02:18 jas_ no 02:18 jas_ it's in your ubuntu apt repository! 02:18 jas_ uninstall any third party repositories/packages of minetest 02:19 jas_ and use whatever your version of ubuntu provides. 02:19 lumberJ lets yes helpless, but if the dev repo is installed it might interfere with installation 02:19 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable 02:20 lumberJ that command will give you the stable ppa 02:20 lumberJ but you should check you ppas to see if you have this: ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds 02:20 lumberJ if you do it might mess up your reinstallation if you don't remove it first 02:21 helpless wahts the command to remove it? 02:21 jas_ i didn't realize there was an official minetest apt repository 02:21 jas_ you could just edit the file, no? 02:21 lumberJ for ubuntu, jas_ 02:21 lumberJ yes, you can just check the file jas_ mentioned 02:22 jas_ i see. i tried it in 2004 02:22 jas_ /etc/apt/sources.list 02:22 jas_ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ 02:22 helpless I tried installing a bunch of thimes and i'm not sure where all the folders are 02:22 jas_ ^ the second one is a directory, that may contain more apt repositories in various files 02:23 lumberJ or you could just try this: 02:23 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds 02:24 lumberJ if that ppa is there, that will remove it 02:24 lumberJ if not no harm done 02:24 lumberJ then install the other: 02:24 jas_ if you don't like "Software Center" (i think this is a gnome thing), you can try "Synaptic", another graphical package manager 02:25 lumberJ make sure you uninstall minetest then run this: 02:25 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable 02:25 lumberJ sudo apt-get update 02:25 ThomasMonroe hey lumberJ 02:25 jas_ i like aptitude alright, and that's a console application. if you type aptitude in a terminal, you can click File->Get Root 02:25 lumberJ sudo apt-get install minetest 02:25 lumberJ that should give you the latest stable version 02:25 lumberJ then we can work on getting mods working there 02:25 lumberJ hey ThomasMonroe 02:26 helpless I'm having trouble deleting my current minetest 02:26 lumberJ if you did installed it with software center, i would try to uninstall it there first 02:26 lumberJ or you can try sudo apt-get remove minetest 02:26 jas_ dselect is an option 02:27 helpless nvm i got it. What is the install command again? 02:27 lumberJ so check if the other ppa is there first: 02:27 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds 02:27 lumberJ then: 02:27 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable 02:28 lumberJ sudo apt-get update 02:28 lumberJ sudo apt-get install minetest 02:30 helpless Okay that is done now 02:30 lumberJ ok launch minetest and check your version 02:30 lumberJ and make a test world and just run it for a second 02:30 helpless :/ 02:31 helpless Apparently dev is still installed 02:31 lumberJ hmm 02:31 jas_ dpkg -l |grep minetest 02:31 jas_ dpkg -L minetest 02:32 lumberJ what did you get in your terminal when you ran: sudo add-apt-repository --remove 02:32 lumberJ was anything removed? 02:33 lumberJ and how did you uninstall, did you do the sudo apt-get remove minetest or uninstall in software center? 02:33 jas_ if you're on 0.5.0-dev you can try this jump track https://imgur.com/a/4jeuc on dcbl 02:33 helpless Yeah, and when i searched for minetest nothing came up. But then i put minetest in a terminal and dev 0.5.0 opens up 02:34 lumberJ try: sudo apt-get remove minetest 02:34 lumberJ if you have not already done that 02:34 lumberJ if the other ppa is gone and you installed the stable, if you run the install command after that you should be good 02:34 helpless I used the command, software center is waaay too laggy 02:34 Natechip anyone on windows? 02:35 helpless I used to do windows, need help? 02:35 lumberJ helpless, when you ran the remove command, was anything removed? 02:35 Natechip helpless: know anything about cmake? 02:35 helpless LumberJ:yes, quite a bit 02:36 helpless Natechip: no, i don't know about Cmake much 02:36 Natechip helpless: nvm then 02:36 helpless but my brother knows a bit more then I do. 02:37 lumberJ and when you ran: sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds 02:37 lumberJ anything removed? 02:41 helpless it looks like it was added? 02:41 helpless c-o-m@L:~$ sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds [sudo] password for c-o-m: The Daily Builds of the tip Note: The version number of the package is compile date; please check your actual version in-game. More info: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel removing it c-o-m@L:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable Here sta 02:42 lumberJ then you pressed enter? 02:43 helpless yes 02:44 lumberJ ok to be safe lets do: sudo apt-get remove --purge minetest 02:44 lumberJ that should get everything off your machine from minetest 02:44 lumberJ then make sure you installed the stable ppa 02:45 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds 02:45 helpless What's the command for that again? 02:45 lumberJ ^^ 02:45 lumberJ make sure it actually installed 02:46 helpless Wouldn't i have just deleted it? 02:46 lumberJ i don't think it would delete the ppa, just the installation 02:46 lumberJ it shouldn't hurt to run the command again to be sure 02:46 lumberJ it will tell you if its already installed 02:47 Natechip were in business jas_ :D 02:48 helpless It's still using dev :| 02:48 helpless it's still using dev 02:48 jas_ https://i.imgur.com/1EDTUG1.png 02:49 lumberJ lol sorry i gave you the wrong link, helpless 02:49 helpless XD okay 02:50 lumberJ so run: sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds 02:50 lumberJ again 02:50 lumberJ then sudo apt-get remove --purge minetest 02:50 lumberJ then: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable 02:50 lumberJ sudo apt-get update 02:50 lumberJ 02:51 lumberJ sudo apt-get install minetest 02:51 helpless It won't remove dev for some reason 02:52 lumberJ well, we can try to go in and remove it manually 02:52 lumberJ the folder should be at /usr/share/minetest 02:52 lumberJ if you delete that minetest folder that should remove the dev build 02:52 lumberJ but if the command is reinstalling the dev build something else is going on 02:53 helpless I think it would take less time to reinstall ubuntu, i dont really have any files i need on this computer 02:53 helpless :P 02:54 lumberJ i'd be surprised if thats quicker. i've installed, removed, reinstalled many times on ubuntu. its usually not a problem 02:54 lumberJ what version of ubuntu are you using? 02:58 helpless ubuntu studio xenial 03:00 lumberJ ok the default minetest there looks like it is 0.4.13 so that shouldn't be the problem 03:01 helpless I'm gonna try an OS reinstall, it'll be much simpler :P 03:02 lumberJ well, that will give you a fresh start for sure 03:03 helpless Yeah, and i'm still a noob at this kind of stuff 03:03 lumberJ i run linux on a chromebook 03:03 helpless Be back in 1/2 an hour or so 03:03 lumberJ i wipe my system every 3-5 months 03:04 helpless XD 03:04 helpless okay, see you in a bit 03:08 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj08Ni3tklw 03:09 jas_ !title 03:09 MinetestBot jas_: Beck - Up All Night - YouTube 04:22 bigfoot547 Natechip: https://github.com/bigfoot547/minetest-build-posix 04:22 bigfoot547 Works for me 07:57 _VictorDiaz alguin español 07:57 _VictorDiaz alguien español 08:00 _VictorDiaz ALGUIEN ESPAÑOL 08:01 _VictorDiaz :'( 08:01 Krock no, english only 08:14 _VictorDiaz someone willing to help a newbie :-D 08:17 Krock ask your questions or you'll be stuck in this situation 10:31 jas_ i've been meaning to get the removed stuff from xdecor back in. time to start. here i come, bones and skulls, trash can, support for 3d armor 10:33 jas_ https://youtu.be/JGhoLcsr8GA?list=RDJGhoLcsr8GA 10:33 jas_ !title 10:33 MinetestBot jas_: MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - DOWNTOWN (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) - YouTube 10:34 Krock nice video, moves and action.. but the genre isn't mine 10:34 jas_ : ) 10:34 jas_ me either typically, but this song reminds me of my absolute favorite 10:35 jas_ https://youtu.be/fJ9rUzIMcZQ 10:35 jas_ !title 10:35 MinetestBot jas_: Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody (Official Video) - YouTube 10:35 Krock Rick Astley? 10:35 jas_ close 10:35 Krock indeed. ends with Q too in the URL 10:35 jas_ heh 10:35 jas_ oh that's good coffee *goes to make more* 10:40 jas_ (any way the wind blows...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESXgJ9-H-2U <-- this one is another favorite, the video is all one cut! 10:40 jas_ !title 10:40 MinetestBot jas_: Kiesza - Hideaway (Official Video) - YouTube 10:41 jas_ and of course i like death metal 10:49 jas_ but i need recommendations there, because i typically only listen to whatever pops up. i love lightning bolt. i play this one a lot haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg 12:04 sare_at_work Hi, short question: Is there a way to expand the possible 5 filter injectors on a chest? i want to have a equal distribution of items from one chest to a several others 12:15 fireglow How can I let items drop out of a pipeworks tube? For example into a lava pit. VanessaE? 12:16 VanessaE you can't. use a trash can instead 12:17 VanessaE sare_at_work: use one injector feeding into a 6-way tube junction. items will go each way, in sequence, as long as all outgoing tubes are of the same kind. 12:18 sare_at_work VanessaE: thx, the 6-way is a sorter? 12:18 VanessaE sare_at_work: no. just an ordinary tube leading into an ordinary junction to 5 others. 12:19 VanessaE fireglow: actually strike that, you can if you can force the placement of a 'broken tube' but I don't think that's normally possible. 12:19 VanessaE (broken tubes are the only ones that can drop items) 12:19 fireglow ah ok 12:19 Krock vmanip gets it done ^^ 12:19 VanessaE or worldedit :P 12:19 fireglow thanks 12:20 Krock worldedit is the command line and GUI interface of the vmanip :3 12:20 VanessaE :P 12:21 sare_at_work i will try that, thx VanessaE 12:22 Krock but you can't have a equal distribution unless they're all filled 12:22 Krock (or empty) 12:24 sare_at_work oh :( 12:24 sare_at_work you can, but only up to 5 12:25 sare_at_work with synchronized injectors 12:25 sare_at_work so with tubes this is not possible? 12:27 Krock well, then you only control the distribution but can't regulate it (i.e. compensate when something was taken out) 12:27 sare_at_work thats true 12:27 sare_at_work i read about lua tubes, but that is history? 12:28 Krock I haven't played with technic/pipeworks for a long time but I wouldn't know of any other solution than timed injectors 12:28 Krock Lua tubes? Sounds interesting. They *could* solve this problem 12:40 sare_at_work ok Krock, you can have an equal distribution, i tested it 12:40 sare_at_work the 6-way junction does work 12:41 sare_at_work sry VanessaE, one question more: So the last tube way of the item is saved anywhere? 12:41 sare_at_work path* 12:41 sare_at_work sry for bad english :/ 13:04 VanessaE I think the last direction an item took out of a junction is in the node metadata 13:04 VanessaE but I'm not sure 13:05 VanessaE also, if you do one-in, 5-out, then each outgoing tube could run to another junction 13:05 deltasquared is this pipeworks related perhaps? ;) 13:05 deltasquared not my department admittedly 13:05 VanessaE so you could do 1 in, 10 out for example 13:06 VanessaE (as long as each output has the same number of splits) 13:06 VanessaE oh, it just might be, deltasquared :) 13:06 deltasquared I think I just got signed on to assist with the tube code as well -_- 13:07 VanessaE haha 13:07 deltasquared I kid, just don't expect miracles in my downtime :P 13:07 VanessaE nah, I think the tube code is well in hand already 13:08 deltasquared it certainly looks it. I did an abusal of the mesecons logic last night, had an inverter feedback loop going with a piston. the tubes could keep up with the rate the node breaker was going in any case 13:08 deltasquared it was a leaf miner thing, repeatedly mining leaf blocks then replacing them with a deployer, filter tube to extract the saplings. 13:08 deltasquared it kept up, in any case 13:09 sare_at_work and i can build a binar counter with that 13:09 sare_at_work create* 13:09 sare_at_work binary* 13:09 sare_at_work omg 13:09 deltasquared not the most CPU efficient way to extract saplings possibly, I lost about 10% of my FPS 13:09 deltasquared sare_at_work: I cgot what you meant 13:09 deltasquared DAMNIT 13:09 deltasquared it's infectious, run! 13:09 sare_at_work XD 13:10 VanessaE that's a hell of a way to build a computer :P 13:11 deltasquared yeah, by melting your real one in the process 13:14 deltasquared VanessaE: that said, this arcane contraption made me appreciate what you said about globalstep being the only way to make things go faster 13:14 deltasquared all that "ActionQueue" stuff I saw in the mesecons code makes sense now... and I don't want to have to write anything anywhere like it for pipeworks >_> 13:15 VanessaE heh 13:16 VanessaE well thankfully pipes are allowed to flow at a more or less fixed rate, and no entities :) 13:18 deltasquared I just hope it doesn't end up getting on user's nerves. I've noticed that ABMS have a sequencing order in the engine, going with it tends to make it flow faster as ABMs are triggered in just the right order... 13:19 deltasquared but against this built-in "flow" pressure propogation can be inconvieniently slow. 13:20 deltasquared that said, bar the classic mode cheating a bit by appearing to handle whole straight segments simultaneously at times, it's not like the pressure logic would be any slower than that. 15:00 greeter greetings, sorry to spam, asked this the other day but had to leave before i got an answer. i'm running a server with rollback enabled, and the rollback file is getting huge. it's grown by 5gb just in the past 30 days. is there any way to limit how far rollback will go back? 15:02 Krock checked the logs yet, whether someone answered you afterwards? 15:03 sfan5 you can probably create a cronjob that runs some SQL to delete stuff older than x days 15:10 Krock there's a timestamp field 15:11 Krock DELETE FROM action WHERE timestamp < 1337666; 15:12 Krock ^ greeter 15:14 greeter hmm i'm not great with SQL but let's see what happens 15:17 greeter hmm the file is still huge. does minetest need to be stopped for that command to work right? 15:18 sfan5 that comment was an example, not something you can just apply 15:18 sfan5 s/comment/SQL query/ 15:18 greeter oh i see. hmm 15:25 greeter hmm well selecting the timestamp list from the action table is certainly going to give me time to read up on how to purge older entries lol 15:34 Etzos[m] What do you mean? Why are you selecting a list of timestamps? 15:35 greeter i was reading an sqlite3 tutorial to try to learn more about how to delete old entries 15:37 greeter hmm well this is doing something long running. i'm probably just corrupting the database at this point though XD 15:37 Etzos[m] Well, what did you actually run? 15:37 Krock from what I can see in the code it uses the unix time, so calculating the right number isn't a big thing 15:38 greeter delete from action where timestamp < strftime('%s', 'now') - 864000; 15:45 Etzos[m] `strftime('%s', 'now', '-10 days')` is probably the more natural way to do that kind of thing since you can enter a more natural expression. 15:46 greeter hmm true. i'll give that a shot. my command ran for a really long time but it didn't make a dent in the file at all 15:53 greeter hmm i get Error: no such column: strftime('%s', 'now', '-10 days') when i include the ` symbols 15:53 Etzos[m] Oh, sorry. That's just how I show code snippets. 15:53 Etzos[m] Ignore the backticks. 15:54 greeter oh ok 15:56 Etzos[m] And I would imagine that with such a large file that delete operations would take a fair amount of time. Especially if its on an unindexed column. 15:56 Fixer thats why minetest needs this feature to restrict rollback by default 15:56 Fixer included* 15:57 sfan5 Etzos[m]: i dunno how the schema looks but sqlite automatically indexes if you have a single integer column or something like that 15:58 greeter indeed. rollback is hardly useful on a dedicated server with limit space if there's no easy way to purge unnecessary records :\ 15:59 Etzos[m] Oh really? It's been a long time since I've used SQLite. I spend a ton of time in Postgres, so my knowledge streams are probably all crossed. 16:00 greeter hmm seems all my command did was delete the timestamps. so the file is still gigantic 16:01 Etzos[m] That's very strange. The command you posted is designed to delete entire rows, not column data. 16:02 greeter i can't think of any other reason why i could purge a month's worth of data and still have the same file size though 16:05 Etzos[m] I'd probably need to see the entire schema/db file and I don't have Minetest available at the minute. 16:08 greeter ah no worries. to be honest i might just delete the whole database and start over and work on this later 16:09 greeter there's definitely stuff in the database that doesn't belong. i see player names at the head of the database who were banned over two weeks ago 16:22 greeter i'll just try purging the first 16 million rows. that should knock down the database size 16:25 greeter even that doesn't cut down the file size. i think rollback will just have go away for now :-( thanks for the help though 17:26 Dargod where I can found mt 0.4.16 stable source? 17:27 lumberJ Dargod minetest.net/downloads 17:27 habeangur what? 17:27 habeangur 0.4.16 stable is out? 17:28 habeangur "stable"? 17:28 lumberJ its been out since june :P 17:29 Dargod I know, but I am have issues with dev version 17:29 Dargod but I want to build it yourrself 17:29 habeangur Dargod: you meant "myself" right? 17:30 Dargod habeangur, yes< sorry 17:30 lumberJ Dargod, scroll to the bottom of the downloads page 17:30 lumberJ its on github 17:30 Dargod thats https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/stable-0.4 ? 17:31 lumberJ looks right 17:32 lumberJ don't forget to grab the minetest-game too if you plan to play singleplayer at all 17:32 lumberJ its a separate repo 17:32 lumberJ there is a link there in the README with directions to build from source 17:33 Dargod lumberJ, I don't plan change minetest_game, onle engine 17:34 lumberJ thats fine, you don't need it to install the game engine 17:47 * Taose nominates LumberJ for promotion to Dev Recruitment Specialist 17:48 lumberJ thanks :D 17:50 greeter nice :-) 18:26 Dargod why checkbox avaliable only on Lua Table Formspec but not in formspec? 18:43 d_deadlock hi, i am looking for some examples/explanations about the "special_tiles" in the node-registration. Can anyone point me to some infos about that? 18:51 Krock d_deadlock, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4419 18:51 Krock Dargod, they're available in the formspec, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2016 18:52 Krock Dargod, hint: there's a stable-0.4 branch for minetest_game too, which should be used together with the stable binary 18:54 d_deadlock thanks Krock, but already found that and it's not really explaining much. What are the special-tiles used for? 18:55 Dargod Krock, hmm, I didn't fount this info here http://dev.minetest.net/formspec . Thanks for info 18:55 Krock d_deadlock, they're used for animations, as example 18:56 Krock see minetest_game7mods/default/nodes.lua , "torch" 18:57 d_deadlock thanks Krock, i will do that 18:57 Krock Dargod, the wiki is sometimes very outdated and doesn't contain newer functions. Don't worry, it's being corrected. If you would like to help sometime, feel free to join #minetest-doc 18:57 Krock !next 18:57 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 19:01 Dargod Krock, I have some problems on 0.4.16-dev, so I want to recompile an older stable version. minetest_game I do not need 19:03 Krock git checkout origin/stable-0.4 && make 19:04 Dargod it's a bit more complicated in my case, so I need special compilation options 19:04 Dargod but I already done 19:05 Krock good :) 19:15 Fixer good luck with formspecs 19:48 Dargod Fixer, thanks, all worked well! 21:38 Dargod btw, I found that stable version havn't chat color support( 22:39 Calinou Dargod: I'm quite sure 0.4.16 does support colored chat 23:03 red-001 Dargod, ??