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02:00 helpless I need some help, i cannot write to my mods folder, i use ubuntu
02:02 helpless *correction i can write to my mods folder, but the mods i put in will not install, or show up in the config menu GUI
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02:06 lumberJ hey helpless i will try to help
02:06 lumberJ are you in /home/youruser/.minetest/mods
02:06 lumberJ ?
02:08 lumberJ also what version of minetest are you using and what was your install method?
02:11 helpless srry, i was afk, i am in home/user/minetst/mods i'm on 0.5.0
02:11 lumberJ np
02:12 lumberJ did you build from source or use a ppa to install?
02:12 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xznaZ3_imQ
02:12 jas_ !title
02:12 MinetestBot jas_: (APHEX TWIN) The Tuss - Rushup Edge [2017 EXTRAS] - YouTube
02:12 helpless software center i think, it was a while ago
02:12 jas_ helpless: is that the source dir?  did you build with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ?
02:12 jas_ if so, type bin/minetest
02:13 lumberJ just fyi, if you are new to minetest i would consider isntalling the latest stable build rather than 0.5.0
02:13 lumberJ 0.5.0 is still in development and many mods will not be compatible
02:13 helpless I'm not new to minetest, i am new to linux
02:13 jas_ if you run from the source directory, and are building locally, the mods you placed in mods/ dir should run OK if you run ./minetest from the bin directory.
02:14 jas_ i'd `cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1' for 0.5.0, perhaps, and the system-wide installed package, from repository will be 0.4.16
02:14 helpless I don't think i did a build
02:14 jas_ type `which minetest'
02:15 jas_ oh ok.  if you do a local build it's easier for minetest 0.5.0-dev.  otherwise, the system-wide install you can get the version with `minetest --version'
02:15 jas_ maybe you have apt repositories that have 0.5.0-dev and 0.4.16
02:15 jas_ because minetest usually comes with the distro, like debian9 has 0.4.15+repack
02:15 jas_ whatever that is
02:15 helpless brb
02:15 lumberJ my suggestion would be to uninstall 0.5.0 and add the stable ppa and install from there
02:15 lumberJ hold on i'll post you a link
02:15 helpless okay
02:16 jas_ and/or remove the apt link from your sources.list.  i am wondering if he's on a nightly build ppa or something, and it's overriding his distro's version
02:16 jas_ `which minetest' and `minetest --version' should help
02:16 helpless as long as i don't have to use software center i'm happy... It takes forever
02:16 jas_ you can do `vi /etc/apt/sources.list' and `ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d'
02:16 lumberJ i'd be surprised if software center had the dev build
02:16 jas_ software center is whatever apt repos you specify
02:16 jas_ in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
02:17 helpless It doesn't have dev, but it does have it
02:17 jas_ at least on debian/gnome, i never use it
02:17 jas_ so it could be anything, if there's some "add ppa" button on websites i wouldn't be surprised
02:18 helpless can somebody send me a link to a place that actually has just a straigh up vanilla minetest please?
02:18 jas_ no
02:18 jas_ it's in your ubuntu apt repository!
02:18 jas_ uninstall any third party repositories/packages of minetest
02:19 jas_ and use whatever your version of ubuntu provides.
02:19 lumberJ lets yes helpless, but if the dev repo is installed it might interfere with installation
02:19 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
02:20 lumberJ that command will give you the stable ppa
02:20 lumberJ but you should check you ppas to see if you have this:  ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
02:20 lumberJ if you do it might mess up your reinstallation if you don't remove it first
02:21 helpless wahts the command to remove it?
02:21 jas_ i didn't realize there was an official minetest apt repository
02:21 jas_ you could just edit the file, no?
02:21 lumberJ for ubuntu, jas_
02:21 lumberJ yes, you can just check the file jas_ mentioned
02:22 jas_ i see.  i tried it in 2004
02:22 jas_ /etc/apt/sources.list
02:22 jas_ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
02:22 helpless I tried installing a bunch of thimes and i'm not sure where all the folders are
02:22 jas_ ^ the second one is a directory, that may contain more apt repositories in various files
02:23 lumberJ or you could just try this:
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02:23 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
02:24 lumberJ if that ppa is there, that will remove it
02:24 lumberJ if not no harm done
02:24 lumberJ then install the other:
02:24 jas_ if you don't like "Software Center" (i think this is a gnome thing), you can try "Synaptic", another graphical package manager
02:25 lumberJ make sure you uninstall minetest then run this:
02:25 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
02:25 lumberJ sudo apt-get update
02:25 ThomasMonroe hey lumberJ
02:25 jas_ i like aptitude alright, and that's a console application.  if you type aptitude in a terminal, you can click File->Get Root
02:25 lumberJ sudo apt-get install minetest
02:25 lumberJ that should give you the latest stable version
02:25 lumberJ then we can work on getting mods working there
02:25 lumberJ hey ThomasMonroe
02:26 helpless I'm having trouble deleting my current minetest
02:26 lumberJ if you did installed it with software center, i would try to uninstall it there first
02:26 lumberJ or you can try sudo apt-get remove minetest
02:26 jas_ dselect is an option
02:27 helpless nvm i got it. What is the install command again?
02:27 lumberJ so check if the other ppa is there first:
02:27 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
02:27 lumberJ then:
02:27 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
02:28 lumberJ sudo apt-get update
02:28 lumberJ sudo apt-get install minetest
02:30 helpless Okay that is done now
02:30 lumberJ ok launch minetest and check your version
02:30 lumberJ and make a test world and just run it for a second
02:30 helpless :/
02:31 helpless Apparently dev is still installed
02:31 lumberJ hmm
02:31 jas_ dpkg -l |grep minetest
02:31 jas_ dpkg -L minetest
02:32 lumberJ what did you get in your terminal when you ran:  sudo add-apt-repository --remove
02:32 lumberJ was anything removed?
02:33 lumberJ and how did you uninstall, did you do the sudo apt-get remove minetest or uninstall in software center?
02:33 jas_ if you're on 0.5.0-dev you can try this jump track https://imgur.com/a/4jeuc on dcbl
02:33 helpless Yeah, and when i searched for minetest nothing came up. But then i put minetest in a terminal and dev 0.5.0 opens up
02:34 lumberJ try: sudo apt-get remove minetest
02:34 lumberJ if you have not already done that
02:34 lumberJ if the other ppa is gone and you installed the stable, if you run the install command after that you should be good
02:34 helpless I used the command, software center is waaay too laggy
02:34 Natechip anyone on windows?
02:35 helpless I used to do windows, need help?
02:35 lumberJ helpless, when you ran the remove command, was anything removed?
02:35 Natechip helpless: know anything about cmake?
02:35 helpless LumberJ:yes, quite a bit
02:36 helpless Natechip: no, i don't know about Cmake much
02:36 Natechip helpless: nvm then
02:36 helpless but my brother knows a bit more then I do.
02:37 lumberJ and when you ran: sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
02:37 lumberJ anything removed?
02:41 helpless it looks like it was added?
02:41 helpless c-o-m@L:~$ sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds [sudo] password for c-o-m:   The Daily Builds of the tip  Note: The version number of the package is compile date; please check your actual version in-game.  More info: https://launchpad.net/~minetestd​evs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel removing it  c-o-m@L:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable  Here sta
02:42 lumberJ then you pressed enter?
02:43 helpless yes
02:44 lumberJ ok to be safe lets do: sudo apt-get remove --purge minetest
02:44 lumberJ that should get everything off your machine from minetest
02:44 lumberJ then make sure you installed the stable ppa
02:45 lumberJ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
02:45 helpless What's the command for that again?
02:45 lumberJ ^^
02:45 lumberJ make sure it actually installed
02:46 helpless Wouldn't i have just deleted it?
02:46 lumberJ i don't think it would delete the ppa, just the installation
02:46 lumberJ it shouldn't hurt to run the command again to be sure
02:46 lumberJ it will tell you if its already installed
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02:47 Natechip were in business jas_ :D
02:48 helpless It's still using dev :|
02:48 helpless it's still using dev
02:48 jas_ https://i.imgur.com/1EDTUG1.png
02:49 lumberJ lol sorry i gave you the wrong link, helpless
02:49 helpless XD okay
02:50 lumberJ so run: sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
02:50 lumberJ again
02:50 lumberJ then sudo apt-get remove --purge minetest
02:50 lumberJ then: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
02:50 lumberJ sudo apt-get update
02:50 lumberJ
02:51 lumberJ sudo apt-get install minetest
02:51 helpless It won't remove dev for some reason
02:52 lumberJ well, we can try to go in and remove it manually
02:52 lumberJ the folder should be at /usr/share/minetest
02:52 lumberJ if you delete that minetest folder that should remove the dev build
02:52 lumberJ but if the command is reinstalling the dev build something else is going on
02:53 helpless I think it would take less time to reinstall ubuntu, i dont really have any files i need on this computer
02:53 helpless :P
02:54 lumberJ i'd be surprised if thats quicker. i've installed, removed, reinstalled many times on ubuntu. its usually not a problem
02:54 lumberJ what version of ubuntu are you using?
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02:58 helpless ubuntu studio xenial
03:00 lumberJ ok the default minetest there looks like it is 0.4.13 so that shouldn't be the problem
03:01 helpless I'm gonna try an OS reinstall, it'll be much simpler :P
03:02 lumberJ well, that will give you a fresh start for sure
03:03 helpless Yeah, and i'm still a noob at this kind of stuff
03:03 lumberJ i run linux on a chromebook
03:03 helpless Be back in 1/2 an hour or so
03:03 lumberJ i wipe my system every 3-5 months
03:04 helpless XD
03:04 helpless okay, see you in a bit
03:08 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj08Ni3tklw
03:09 jas_ !title
03:09 MinetestBot jas_: Beck - Up All Night - YouTube
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04:22 bigfoot547 Natechip: https://github.com/bigfoot547/minetest-build-posix
04:22 bigfoot547 Works for me
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07:57 _VictorDiaz alguin español
07:57 _VictorDiaz alguien español
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08:00 _VictorDiaz ALGUIEN ESPAÑOL
08:01 _VictorDiaz :'(
08:01 Krock no, english only
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08:14 _VictorDiaz someone willing to help a newbie :-D
08:17 Krock ask your questions or you'll be stuck in this situation
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10:31 jas_ i've been meaning to get the removed stuff from xdecor back in.  time to start.  here i come, bones and skulls, trash can, support for 3d armor
10:33 jas_ https://youtu.be/JGhoLcsr8GA?list=RDJGhoLcsr8GA
10:33 jas_ !title
10:33 MinetestBot jas_: MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - DOWNTOWN (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) - YouTube
10:34 Krock nice video, moves and action.. but the genre isn't mine
10:34 jas_ : )
10:34 jas_ me either typically, but this song reminds me of my absolute favorite
10:35 jas_ https://youtu.be/fJ9rUzIMcZQ
10:35 jas_ !title
10:35 MinetestBot jas_: Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody (Official Video) - YouTube
10:35 Krock Rick Astley?
10:35 jas_ close
10:35 Krock indeed. ends with Q too in the URL
10:35 jas_ heh
10:35 jas_ oh that's good coffee *goes to make more*
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10:40 jas_ (any way the wind blows...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESXgJ9-H-2U <-- this one is another favorite, the video is all one cut!
10:40 jas_ !title
10:40 MinetestBot jas_: Kiesza - Hideaway (Official Video) - YouTube
10:41 jas_ and of course i like death metal
10:49 jas_ but i need recommendations there, because i typically only listen to whatever pops up.  i love lightning bolt.  i play this one a lot haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg
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12:04 sare_at_work Hi, short question: Is there a way to expand the possible 5 filter injectors on a chest? i want to have a equal distribution of items from one chest to a several others
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12:15 fireglow How can I let items drop out of a pipeworks tube? For example into a lava pit. VanessaE?
12:16 VanessaE you can't.  use a trash can instead
12:17 VanessaE sare_at_work: use one injector feeding into a 6-way tube junction.  items will go each way, in sequence, as long as all outgoing tubes are of the same kind.
12:18 sare_at_work VanessaE: thx, the 6-way is a sorter?
12:18 VanessaE sare_at_work: no.  just an ordinary tube leading into an ordinary junction to 5 others.
12:19 VanessaE fireglow: actually strike that, you can if you can force the placement of a 'broken tube' but I don't think that's normally possible.
12:19 VanessaE (broken tubes are the only ones that can drop items)
12:19 fireglow ah ok
12:19 Krock vmanip gets it done ^^
12:19 VanessaE or worldedit :P
12:19 fireglow thanks
12:20 Krock worldedit is the command line and GUI interface of the vmanip :3
12:20 VanessaE :P
12:21 sare_at_work i will try that, thx VanessaE
12:22 Krock but you can't have a equal distribution unless they're all filled
12:22 Krock (or empty)
12:24 sare_at_work oh :(
12:24 sare_at_work you can, but only up to 5
12:25 sare_at_work with synchronized injectors
12:25 sare_at_work so with tubes this is not possible?
12:27 Krock well, then you only control the distribution but can't regulate it (i.e. compensate when something was taken out)
12:27 sare_at_work thats true
12:27 sare_at_work i read about lua tubes, but that is history?
12:28 Krock I haven't played with technic/pipeworks for a long time but I wouldn't know of any other solution than timed injectors
12:28 Krock Lua tubes? Sounds interesting. They *could* solve this problem
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12:40 sare_at_work ok Krock, you can have an equal distribution, i tested it
12:40 sare_at_work the 6-way junction does work
12:41 sare_at_work sry VanessaE, one question more: So the last tube way of the item is saved anywhere?
12:41 sare_at_work path*
12:41 sare_at_work sry for bad english :/
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13:04 VanessaE I think the last direction an item took out of a junction is in the node metadata
13:04 VanessaE but I'm not sure
13:05 VanessaE also, if you do one-in, 5-out, then each outgoing tube could run to another junction
13:05 deltasquared is this pipeworks related perhaps? ;)
13:05 deltasquared not my department admittedly
13:05 VanessaE so you could do 1 in, 10 out for example
13:06 VanessaE (as long as each output has the same number of splits)
13:06 VanessaE oh, it just might be, deltasquared  :)
13:06 deltasquared I think I just got signed on to assist with the tube code as well -_-
13:07 VanessaE haha
13:07 deltasquared I kid, just don't expect miracles in my downtime :P
13:07 VanessaE nah, I think the tube code is well in hand already
13:08 deltasquared it certainly looks it. I did an abusal of the mesecons logic last night, had an inverter feedback loop going with a piston. the tubes could keep up with the rate the node breaker was going in any case
13:08 deltasquared it was a leaf miner thing, repeatedly mining leaf blocks then replacing them with a deployer, filter tube to extract the saplings.
13:08 deltasquared it kept up, in any case
13:09 sare_at_work and i can build a binar counter with that
13:09 sare_at_work create*
13:09 sare_at_work binary*
13:09 sare_at_work omg
13:09 deltasquared not the most CPU efficient way to extract saplings possibly, I lost about 10% of my FPS
13:09 deltasquared sare_at_work: I cgot what you meant
13:09 deltasquared DAMNIT
13:09 deltasquared it's infectious, run!
13:09 sare_at_work XD
13:10 VanessaE that's a hell of a way to build a computer :P
13:11 deltasquared yeah, by melting your real one in the process
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13:14 deltasquared VanessaE: that said, this arcane contraption made me appreciate what you said about globalstep being the only way to make things go faster
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13:14 deltasquared all that "ActionQueue" stuff I saw in the mesecons code makes sense now... and I don't want to have to write anything anywhere like it for pipeworks >_>
13:15 VanessaE heh
13:16 VanessaE well thankfully pipes are allowed to flow at a more or less fixed rate, and no entities :)
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13:18 deltasquared I just hope it doesn't end up getting on user's nerves. I've noticed that ABMS have a sequencing order in the engine, going with it tends to make it flow faster as ABMs are triggered in just the right order...
13:19 deltasquared but against this built-in "flow" pressure propogation can be inconvieniently slow.
13:20 deltasquared that said, bar the classic mode cheating a bit by appearing to handle whole straight segments simultaneously at times, it's not like the pressure logic would be any slower than that.
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15:00 greeter greetings, sorry to spam, asked this the other day but had to leave before i got an answer. i'm running a server with rollback enabled, and the rollback file is getting huge. it's grown by 5gb just in the past 30 days. is there any way to limit how far rollback will go back?
15:02 Krock checked the logs yet, whether someone answered you afterwards?
15:03 sfan5 you can probably create a cronjob that runs some SQL to delete stuff older than x days
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15:10 Krock there's a timestamp field
15:11 Krock DELETE FROM action WHERE timestamp < 1337666;
15:12 Krock ^ greeter
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15:14 greeter hmm i'm not great with SQL but let's see what happens
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15:17 greeter hmm the file is still huge. does minetest need to be stopped for that command to work right?
15:18 sfan5 that comment was an example, not something you can just apply
15:18 sfan5 s/comment/SQL query/
15:18 greeter oh i see. hmm
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15:25 greeter hmm well selecting the timestamp list from the action table is certainly going to give me time to read up on how to purge older entries lol
15:34 Etzos[m] What do you mean? Why are you selecting a list of timestamps?
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15:35 greeter i was reading an sqlite3 tutorial to try to learn more about how to delete old entries
15:37 greeter hmm well this is doing something long running. i'm probably just corrupting the database at this point though XD
15:37 Etzos[m] Well, what did you actually run?
15:37 Krock from what I can see in the code it uses the unix time, so calculating the right number isn't a big thing
15:38 greeter delete from action where timestamp < strftime('%s', 'now') - 864000;
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15:45 Etzos[m] `strftime('%s', 'now', '-10 days')` is probably the more natural way to do that kind of thing since you can enter a more natural expression.
15:46 greeter hmm true. i'll give that a shot. my command ran for a really long time but it didn't make a dent in the file at all
15:53 greeter hmm i get Error: no such column: strftime('%s', 'now', '-10 days') when i include the ` symbols
15:53 Etzos[m] Oh, sorry. That's just how I show code snippets.
15:53 Etzos[m] Ignore the backticks.
15:54 greeter oh ok
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15:56 Etzos[m] And I would imagine that with such a large file that delete operations would take a fair amount of time. Especially if its on an unindexed column.
15:56 Fixer thats why minetest needs this feature to restrict rollback by default
15:56 Fixer included*
15:57 sfan5 Etzos[m]: i dunno how the schema looks but sqlite automatically indexes if you have a single integer column or something like that
15:58 greeter indeed. rollback is hardly useful on a dedicated server with limit space if there's no easy way to purge unnecessary records :\
15:59 Etzos[m] Oh really? It's been a long time since I've used SQLite. I spend a ton of time in Postgres, so my knowledge streams are probably all crossed.
16:00 greeter hmm seems all my command did was delete the timestamps. so the file is still gigantic
16:01 Etzos[m] That's very strange. The command you posted is designed to delete entire rows, not column data.
16:02 greeter i can't think of any other reason why i could purge a month's worth of data and still have the same file size though
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16:05 Etzos[m] I'd probably need to see the entire schema/db file and I don't have Minetest available at the minute.
16:08 greeter ah no worries. to be honest i might just delete the whole database and start over and work on this later
16:09 greeter there's definitely stuff in the database that doesn't belong. i see player names at the head of the database who were banned over two weeks ago
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16:22 greeter i'll just try purging the first 16 million rows. that should knock down the database size
16:25 greeter even that doesn't cut down the file size. i think rollback will just have go away for now :-( thanks for the help though
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17:26 Dargod where I can found mt 0.4.16 stable source?
17:27 lumberJ Dargod minetest.net/downloads
17:27 habeangur what?
17:27 habeangur 0.4.16 stable is out?
17:28 habeangur "stable"?
17:28 lumberJ its been out since june :P
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17:29 Dargod I know, but I am have issues with dev version
17:29 Dargod but I want to build it yourrself
17:29 habeangur Dargod: you meant "myself" right?
17:30 Dargod habeangur, yes< sorry
17:30 lumberJ Dargod, scroll to the bottom of the downloads page
17:30 lumberJ its on github
17:30 Dargod thats https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/tree/stable-0.4 ?
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17:31 lumberJ looks right
17:32 lumberJ don't forget to grab the minetest-game too if you plan to play singleplayer at all
17:32 lumberJ its a separate repo
17:32 lumberJ there is a link there in the README with directions to build from source
17:33 Dargod lumberJ, I don't plan change minetest_game, onle engine
17:34 lumberJ thats fine, you don't need it to install the game engine
17:47 * Taose nominates LumberJ for promotion to Dev Recruitment Specialist
17:48 lumberJ thanks :D
17:50 greeter nice :-)
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18:26 Dargod why checkbox avaliable only on Lua Table Formspec  but not in formspec?
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18:43 d_deadlock hi, i am looking for some examples/explanations about the "special_tiles" in the node-registration. Can anyone point me to some infos about that?
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18:51 Krock d_deadlock, https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4419
18:51 Krock Dargod, they're available in the formspec, see https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2016
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18:52 Krock <Krock> Dargod, hint: there's a stable-0.4 branch for minetest_game too, which should be used together with the stable binary
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18:54 d_deadlock thanks Krock, but already found that and it's not really explaining much. What are the special-tiles used for?
18:55 Dargod Krock, hmm, I didn't fount this info here http://dev.minetest.net/formspec . Thanks for info
18:55 Krock d_deadlock, they're used for animations, as example
18:56 Krock see minetest_game7mods/default/nodes.lua , "torch"
18:57 d_deadlock thanks Krock, i will do that
18:57 Krock Dargod, the wiki is sometimes very outdated and doesn't contain newer functions. Don't worry, it's being corrected. If you would like to help sometime, feel free to join #minetest-doc
18:57 Krock !next
18:57 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:01 Dargod Krock, I have some problems on 0.4.16-dev, so I want to recompile an older stable version. minetest_game I do not need
19:03 Krock git checkout origin/stable-0.4 && make
19:04 Dargod it's a bit more complicated in my case, so I need special compilation options
19:04 Dargod but I already done
19:05 Krock good :)
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19:15 Fixer good luck with formspecs
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19:48 Dargod Fixer, thanks, all worked well!
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21:38 Dargod btw, I found that stable version havn't chat color support(
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22:39 Calinou Dargod: I'm quite sure 0.4.16 does support colored chat
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23:03 red-001 Dargod, ??
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