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IRC log for #minetest, 2017-10-11

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02:06 Muyfret so if i wanted to make a game using minetest as a base, other than handing over engine improvements (likely i won't have many to offer), is the game code itself something i need to open source
02:06 w00t-Noob eliza: i won't be able to sleep now
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02:13 helpless Hello, can somebody please help me with installing mods on ubuntu? When i put them in the mods folder they don't install, they just sit there
02:14 jas_ did you expect them to bounce and hop around?
02:14 Muyfret go to your config and do a search for mods or client
02:14 jas_ which mods directory did you put them in?
02:14 helpless I tried all of the mods folders i could find
02:14 jas_ because if you installed system-wide (ubuntu package for example) then it must be ~/.minetest/mods
02:15 jas_ for your user, or if you want them to be available for all system users, then /usr/share/minetest/mods, but i don't think i've ever tried that
02:15 jas_ go into mods folder and type `pwd'
02:15 helpless I'm teh only user
02:16 jas_ if you look in world.mt, you'll see a list of available mods that minetest found for your world
02:16 jas_ and if the one you want says "false" just change it to "true"
02:16 w00t-Noob even the realname says it's a bot
02:16 helpless Okay, also i'm having trouble reinstalling minetest. The installer just sits and maybe loads
02:17 jas_ w00t-Noob: no way
02:17 w00t-Noob mama, ooh (any way down
02:17 jas_ i don't show these things
02:17 jas_ nor join/parts
02:17 helpless Thats the other thing, i couldn't locate the worlds folder
02:17 w00t-Noob all the concepts you need, the secret, but for something bad
02:17 * jas_ np https://youtu.be/FbJ63spk48s
02:17 jas_ !title
02:17 MinetestBot jas_: Venetian Snares - Hajnal - YouTube
02:20 jas_ i wonder if there even is an official minetest installer.
02:21 helpless It's just the software center... It takes forever
02:23 jas_ !minetest
02:23 jas_ (oops lol)
02:23 jas_ !server
02:23 MinetestBot jas_: Minemacro Brasil 3.0 | 191.101.9.234 | Clients: 0/8, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.16-dev / minetest | Ping: 148ms
02:23 w00t-Noob jas_: venetian snares - hajnal - youtube
02:24 jas_ !rainbow https://youtu.be/fZsbGJsJAxY
02:24 MinetestBot 4http7s://8yout3u.be/fZs6bGJsJAxY
02:24 jas_ !title
02:26 Megaf Venetian Snares - Gentleman (HD)
02:26 jas_ you heard venetian snares and you said "gennntttleeemannnnnn"
02:26 jas_ (that's a krs-one sample)
02:29 jas_ last one, my fav https://youtu.be/2dz9h9QOJgQ
02:29 jas_ !title
02:29 MinetestBot jas_: 01. KRS One - Bling Blung - YouTube
02:31 lumberJ nice tracks jas_
02:31 w00t-Noob capa`: very nice reply, i'm always impressed when you take the time to seem important
02:32 lumberJ helpless did you get minetest installed? also sometimes those folders (worlds, games) don't appear until you use them or create them
02:33 lumberJ in other words, they might not be in a fresh install
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02:44 ThomasMonroe hey lumberJ
02:45 lumberJ hey ThomasMonroe
02:45 lumberJ how's it going?
02:45 ThomasMonroe good, ive got a new server
02:47 lumberJ what's the theme?
02:50 ThomasMonroe pure survival, no help from creative XD
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03:34 Muyfret and i just discovered a critical flaw in the CSM i made
03:34 bigfoot547 OK
03:35 bigfoot547 Continue.........
03:37 Muyfret well it's not very random
03:37 bigfoot547 Okayyyyyyyyy
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04:10 Muyfret i don't even
04:11 bigfoot547 What's the CSM for?
04:11 Muyfret encryption
04:11 bigfoot547 Ok
04:11 bigfoot547 Encryption of what?
04:12 Muyfret text
04:12 bigfoot547 ok
04:12 Muyfret https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=53&t=18615
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11:32 Fervi Hello. I can't play single player game, because: "Access denied. Reason: Connection timed out." (Minetest 0.4.16) - any solution for that?
11:33 Fixer check your firewall?
11:34 Fervi i don't have any and it is single player, so it should works also
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12:20 Calinou Fervi: what operating system are you using?
12:21 Fervi Well, dunno :D Devuan Ascii (Debian Stretch without systemd) with some packages (minetest also) from Ceres (Debian Sid)
12:21 Fervi multiplayer works great
12:21 Calinou try compiling Minetest from source, and see if the problem persists
12:21 Fervi ok
12:21 Calinou it might also be faulty network configuration (missing `localhost` alias?)
12:22 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest
12:22 Calinou use the stable-0.4 branch to compile 0.4.16 (it is named 0.4.17, but it's actually 0.4.16)
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12:22 Calinou the `master` branch (upcoming 0.5.0) cannot be used to play on 0.4.16 servers (most servers are currently using this version)
12:31 Fervi still doesn't work, but maybe the problem is with configuration?
12:31 Fervi http://meshnet-users.tk/paste/p/homk/k.txt
12:31 Fervi Maybe old files doesn't like new version of MT?
12:31 Fervi or maybe i need to upgrade all system to unstable :D
12:32 Fixer Fervi: just curious, can you start singleplayer via server (there is option for that on sp screen)?
12:33 Fervi host server? Yep
12:33 Fervi but also doesn't work
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12:35 Fervi ok, i just try to do upgrade to unstable, maybe thats the problem (minetest in stretch is in 0.4.15; on sid 0.4.16 - maybe some libraries newest are needed)
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13:25 helpless Hello BBmine
13:25 BBmine Hey helpless! :D
13:25 BBmine Long time no se
13:25 BBmine see*
13:26 helpless I need some help with installing mods, i can't write to the folder
13:26 BBmine Linux or Windows?
13:26 helpless Linux of the Ubuntu persuasion
13:27 BBmine Ok. In .minetest, open a terminal and do ls.
13:27 BBmine ls -l actually
13:28 helpless ok
13:29 BBmine What is the output of ls -l?
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13:38 helpless @BBmine okay, I got minetest in my home folder, what do i do now?
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13:41 fridolin Hello, can someone help me ? i want to have boots to walk on water or leaves , and i dont understand how i can do this.
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13:41 helpless I'm not quite sure either. How much lua do you know?
13:43 fridolin not so much nodes and other small things i can
13:43 helpless Okay... For water you could look at the boat's coding, but leaves i'm not sure
13:44 deltasquared fridolin: I'm just thinking about it, you'd have to change how the engine handles certain node types for a given player *somehow* (in this case set by wearing some boots)
13:44 helpless I need to go, bye
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13:45 deltasquared as water doesn't prevent you from falling through it. I guess you *could* hack it by continuously adjusting their Y value if they're in water, but that doesn't stop the player slow-down effect either
13:45 deltasquared also boats wouldn't help here as they mostly just work by ignoring normal gravity IIRC
13:45 fridolin i want this for my mod  and i can walk trough leaves but i want also walk on it when i have special boots on
13:47 deltasquared fridolin: it doesn't really matter what it's for, you gotta figure out how to do it first
13:47 deltasquared you couldn't exactly get them to hover over water either, pretty sure gravity would still accumulate and you'd have problems trying to counteract it
13:48 fridolin yeah i know
13:48 deltasquared maybe you *could* use something akin to a boat. spawn an entity when over water that you can walk on, have it track the player's X/Z on the water's surface
13:48 deltasquared it would be invisible so at least you wouldn't have to muck with meshes and such
13:50 deltasquared quite frankly, I suspect minecraft's ice walker enchantment behaviour would be easier to implement (if more destructive)
13:52 fridolin ok i must learn how to code for so much work for this :) can some one  help me with this ?
13:52 fridolin sorry i cant speak so much good english :)
13:53 deltasquared fridolin: I would say you can start with dev.minetest.net (it's a wiki of sorts, it shows you various things related to modding), but beware that site isn't complete or 100% up to date. there's a file called lua_api.txt in the doc folder of the minetest installation which is considered the authorative reference
13:53 deltasquared I'm afraid to say it can be a little confusing at times, it's more of a reference than a guide in my experience
13:54 fridolin thank you ! :)
13:55 deltasquared fridolin: in general, the advice I would give is, at least try to find out for yourself how to do these things, but if you are genuinely stuck and know the right questions to ask (in other words, you sound like you mostly know what you're talking about), do not be afraid to do so.
13:56 fridolin ok im out bye
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14:15 blaise anyone care to check out my minetest server?
14:15 blaise midnightsystems.net
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14:20 ThomasMonroe i'll be there in 1 min blaise
14:20 blaise cool
14:21 ThomasMonroe is it on the public server list?
14:23 ThomasMonroe blaise, it said my client wasnt supported
14:23 red-001 is it a 0.5-dev or 0.4.16 server?
14:24 ThomasMonroe .17-dev
14:24 ThomasMonroe client
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14:27 blaise eh,
14:27 blaise 0.5.0
14:27 blaise :D
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14:28 ThomasMonroe ugh, i'd have to compile a new vesion to get on sry
14:28 blaise no problem
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14:33 blaise I have the regular stable release instgalled but the gentoo ebuild seems to have a strange layout as far as configuration goes
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14:34 blaise haven't quite figured out where to put the stuff....
14:34 blaise I've tried in both /home/minetest/.minetest/ and /usr/share/minetest with no luck
14:37 sfan5 minetest --version says RUN_IN_PLACE=1 right?
14:38 blaise it's minetestserver
14:39 blaise i didnt compile the client on that machine
14:39 blaise let me log in and check
14:42 blaise Build info: VER=0.4.16 BUILD_TYPE=Gentoo RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=0 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=0 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR="/usr/share/minetest"
14:43 blaise trippy
14:43 blaise so it's definitly supposed to have the stuffs in /usr/share/minetest/
14:43 blaise :/
14:43 twoelk maybe minetest should add a report in the bin folder where it put stuff or expects stuff to be on whatever system it happens to unfold
14:43 sfan5 that does look correct
14:43 sfan5 well except
14:43 sfan5 Gentoo is not a build type
14:44 blaise lmao
14:45 blaise i didn't make the ebuild, I just used it
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14:56 blaise here is the gentoo ebuild https://paste.pound-python.or​g/show/EBVdfdtGoJbERI6eP4wJ/
14:59 sfan5 i'm sure whatever code calls cmake with that arg knows what it's doing
15:01 blaise elog "Configure your server via /etc/conf.d/minetest-server"
15:01 blaise interesting
15:02 blaise guess I need to mv /usr/share/minetest/minetest.conf /etc/conf.d/
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15:15 blaise okay, it's up
15:15 blaise and it's in the server listing
15:15 blaise lmao
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15:17 blaise damnit
15:17 blaise it's saying it's read only
15:17 blaise poop
15:19 blaise okay, I think I fixed it
15:20 blaise world was still owned by root
15:20 * blaise chuckles
15:21 blaise yep
15:21 blaise it's golden now
15:21 blaise :D
15:22 blaise would everyone please that cares to try my minetest server check out midnightsystems.net
15:22 blaise ;D
15:22 blaise woot!
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15:23 Fervi upgrade didn't fix the problem :/
15:23 Calinou Billy136, Fanny899 and Rosie420 will sure love checking your server out :P
15:24 blaise lol
15:24 blaise are they uber greifers?
15:28 blaise wow, so like
15:28 blaise one dude came, and left
15:28 blaise oh well
15:28 blaise I'll keep building my welcome area I guess
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15:38 blaise zomfg
15:38 blaise i totally need a chest mod
15:38 * blaise slaps himself
15:39 sfan5 !up midnightsystems.net
15:39 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (149ms)
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15:53 blaise ahh, interesting...
15:53 blaise something isn't right with technic
15:54 Krock !mod infinite chest
15:54 MinetestBot Krock: Infinite Chest [infinite_chest] Never-ending chest slots. by cornernote - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3053
15:54 Krock ^ blaise, that should be enough for the moment
15:55 blaise yeah, but none of my technic mod stuff is showing at alll
15:55 blaise ;G
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15:59 blaise the weird part is there is no complaints about technic
16:00 blaise in the log that is
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16:02 blaise ok, brass and granite is there, but that's it
16:02 blaise :P
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16:03 Krock you didn't enable technic itself - only the mapgen
16:03 * blaise facepalms
16:03 blaise sheba
16:03 blaise I could have swarn I did
16:03 * blaise digs
16:04 Krock don't dig too fast. there's a cheat prevention
16:04 Krock and that's logged
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16:07 blaise do what?
16:12 blaise can i set time_speed in minetest.conf ? or does that need to be set in world.mt
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16:16 orbea are there any well maintained mod packs/subgames that offer a more complete survival based minetest without changing the style too much?
16:16 Krock blaise, in minetest.conf
16:16 orbea the lists I am finding are full of potentially poorly maintained and out of date choices so its making it hard to find a few worth trying
16:16 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4738
16:16 Krock ^ orbea
16:17 orbea thanks
16:17 Krock or https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13573
16:17 Krock but the best solution is to check out the mods that exist and look whether they fit to your world
16:18 Krock If you need a random button, here's it: http://krock-works.16mb.com​/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=2
16:19 orbea yea, i plan to fine tune it over time, but im pretty new to using minetest :)
16:19 orbea cool thanks
16:20 Krock !next
16:20 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:21 orbea first one seems to have not been touched since 2015?
16:23 Krock ouch yes. code is already 2.5 years old
16:24 orbea second one looks like a good starting place though :)
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