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00:10 Fixer greeter: i remember someone asked just that, there was pretty simple solution somewhere on forum or this irc, try googling it
00:11 Fixer have fun
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05:22 Muyfret any servers have engineering mods and a real mob threat
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05:49 bigfoot547 Muyfret: Xanadu maybe?
05:50 bigfoot547 Never been on, may have some mobs or smth
05:50 bigfoot547 At least, that's what it advertizes :P
05:57 Muyfret trying survival X. at night it had monsters pretty decently spread
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06:06 Muyfret no logic gates :(
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09:17 hisforever Hi this may be a stupid Question but here it comes hehe. I'm not omline to conect to a server. so CanI still use the host server to log in to my build or do I still have to be in singleplayer mod?
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09:20 sfan5 the "host server" functionality does not require an internet connection
09:22 hisforever Thanks sfan5 that helped
09:25 hisforever I downloaded a map caled Flatlands How do I installt it.Do I just pit the downloaded folder in worlds, and make a world named flatlands?
09:28 sfan5 you probably need to extract your download so that you have a folder called "flatlands" in worlds
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09:29 hisforever I did extract it
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09:35 hisforever Thannks sfn5 you were a great help bye
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10:28 MinetestBot _god_: Sep-22 09:08 UTC <w_laenger> hello‮
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10:30 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Thread: fix a crash on Windows due to data race condition on Thread::… 32ae492 https://git.io/vdVmA (2017-10-10T10:27:08Z)
10:32 deltasquared that commit wrt threads on windows reminds me of my own fun adventures with threading under VS2013
10:32 deltasquared like the M$ std::thread implementation trying to copy move-only arguments to the thread function >_>
10:33 deltasquared RIP std::unique_ptr
10:35 deltasquared not sure if that commit falls under this category, but I tend to find M$ only bothers to fix bugs if enough of their bigger customers complain about it
10:38 Krock but they include >amazing< libraries like telemetry automatically! isn't that great?
10:39 deltasquared sure, if your telemetry provider of choice is M$... I don't even get to choose my corporate overlords! 0/10
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11:45 Fixer telemetry all the things
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12:22 qwerfvbgtzhnmju rainbow test
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12:24 guumienteh !test
12:25 guumienteh !help
12:25 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
12:25 habeangur guumienteh: Commands: !help !ping
12:25 Krock !ping
12:25 habeangur Krock: ping pong
12:25 Krock habeangur, very helpful.. add more commands
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12:31 whoLovesMyPOOP hi
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13:23 luizsab everyone got sucess with Streets 2.0 mod in local network game? When I enables the mod, the game gets a very slow loading
13:23 luizsab I already posted it in forum
13:23 luizsab is there any mod alternative?
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13:42 Krock !tell luizsab streets mod alternative: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13904
13:42 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when luizsab is around
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13:45 agagaga !tell luizsab HI
13:45 MinetestBot agagaga: I'll pass that on when luizsab is around
13:46 agagaga !tell whoLovesMyPOOP http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules
13:46 MinetestBot agagaga: I'll pass that on when whoLovesMyPOOP is around
13:47 whoLovesMyPOOP !tell whoLovesMyPOOP http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules
13:47 MinetestBot You can tell that to yourself
13:47 MinetestBot whoLovesMyPOOP: Oct-10 13:46 UTC <agagaga> http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules
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14:06 Krock wtf is going on with that dude
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14:11 Krock ^ sfan5, interested?
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14:26 Krock !tell humanSpamBot just connect the chat output with /dev/urandom
14:26 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when humanSpamBot is around
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17:31 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix warnings introduced by 9b8fa99fe30728c1fcfa73cdf74211841bdae9fb 1ff5c20 https://git.io/vdwLo (2017-10-10T17:30:18Z)
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20:21 lumberJ bigfoot547 are you the docs team Bigfoot?
20:23 Calinou lumberJ: /join #minetest-doc :)
20:23 lumberJ thanks, Calinou
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22:05 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Decorations: Add kelp to cool and temperate shallow ocean eb5a5b5 https://git.io/vdwyL (2017-10-10T21:57:10Z)
22:05 MinetestBot [git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: TNT: Add tnt.boom defaults 3ff2969 https://git.io/vdwyt (2017-10-10T21:55:49Z)
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22:17 Muyfret can you upgrade lua to newest or atleast to one where binary xor is implemented
22:17 sfan5 no
22:17 Muyfret why
22:17 Muyfret not even for version 5?
22:17 sfan5 minetest only supports lua 5.1
22:17 sfan5 because of luajit mainly
22:18 Muyfret then can you make a minetest function that does xor for us
22:18 Muyfret also hash would be nice
22:18 Muyfret sha256 hash of a string to be exact
22:19 sfan5 should have somewhat realistic chances of inclusion as we have sha256 anyway
22:20 sfan5 including the "bit" library would also be a possibility
22:21 sfan5 depending on your usecase using a native library may be better anyway
22:21 Muyfret i want this exposed for csm
22:21 sfan5 ow
22:21 sfan5 why tho
22:23 Muyfret i have a plugin that lets me encrypt text.
22:23 o11c "encrypt"
22:23 Muyfret for the xor i want it because doing it in lua i'm guessing is slower
22:23 Muyfret yes it's boutique crypto for now.
22:23 o11c if it's not based on libsodium, it's probably exploitable
22:23 o11c and libsodium is easy, so ...
22:23 Muyfret i want the hash function to check the encrypted text i got back is what i sent
22:24 o11c the low-level crypto library should be in charge of that
22:24 Muyfret i'm using it to store text in books
22:25 sfan5 o11c: there's no hope of importing any library into CSM which is why you need to reinvent the wheel
22:25 sfan5 which proves difficult as lua does not even have bitwise ops
22:26 Muyfret i got code from the net. but it means slowdown
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22:27 o11c not "no hope", just "no code"
22:27 Muyfret what's preferred license csm modders should use?
22:38 bigfoot547 lumberJ: Yes
22:38 bigfoot547 in response to <lumberJ> [15:21:47] bigfoot547 are you the docs team Bigfoot?
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23:05 lumberJ bigfoot547, thanks Calinou helped me :)
23:05 bigfoot547 Welcome :)
23:08 Muyfret http://codepad.org/hWjg0RcD  here's my csm
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23:15 Muyfret would be nice if users could PM each other secure messages
23:15 Muyfret i think csm could accomplish that without server admin knowing what two users say, right?
23:16 rubenwardy ideally it should use public/private keys
23:16 rubenwardy over mod channels
23:17 sofar launch mumble, problem solved
23:17 o11c Muyfret: without carefully-written assembly code it is *impossible* to accomplish it
23:17 Muyfret sofar what if they don't have mumble
23:18 sofar it's free, open source
23:18 Muyfret o11c because of how slow?
23:18 o11c Muyfret: because there are *lots* of side-channel attacks on high-level languages, which includes C
23:18 o11c so it's relatively easy to snoop someone's private key
23:18 w00t-Noob eliza, do you know if it's a crime
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23:18 Muyfret 011c from MITM perspective?
23:18 w00t-Noob no escape from a poor family,
23:19 o11c even asm ones have had exploits
23:19 Muyfret you're thinking the implementation itself would be compiled/interpreted into something more easily breakable
23:19 o11c Muyfret: look into patching the C client to support and expose libsodium
23:20 o11c that will be far easier *and* more secure
23:20 sofar csm isn't meant for chat msgs, if you want secure messaging get signal
23:20 w00t-Noob or are you gathering meta for me.
23:20 Calinou <Muyfret> what's preferred license csm modders should use?
23:20 sofar MIT/LGPL-2.1 would be best
23:20 Calinou I'd say, a simple permissive license like MIT
23:20 Calinou LGPLv2.1-or-later works too
23:20 Calinou (anything more strict cannot be included in Minetest)
23:20 o11c MIT is too scary for me
23:20 Muyfret i copied minetest source license
23:21 rubenwardy if your computer is compromised you're f**ked anyway
23:21 rubenwardy so no need for asm
23:21 o11c people *love* to abuse open-source code, and at least with GPL you have legal recourse
23:21 o11c rubenwardy: ?
23:21 o11c side-channel attacks don't require compromising any host
23:22 rubenwardy especially as your asm code is more likely to have bugs
23:22 Muyfret this is just minetest too. i'm mostly thinking the only threat is the server and the players on that server
23:22 o11c well, side-channel attacks are *easier* for other players than for MITM
23:22 o11c rubenwardy: I don't recommend writing your *own*
23:22 w00t-Noob side-channel attacks don't give me that do goody good bullshit
23:22 Muyfret i would delight in an actually good public-priv crypto for PMing
23:22 o11c Muyfret: libsodium, it's that simple
23:22 w00t-Noob megaf: do you wish that they're giving none away
23:23 Calinou <o11c> people *love* to abuse open-source code, and at least with GPL you have legal recourse
23:23 Calinou that's provided you have the time and willingness to enforce it
23:23 w00t-Noob i'm always impressed when you take the time has come,
23:23 Calinou (requires copyright information with your real name, etc)
23:23 o11c (if you care about PFS, be sure to take a few lines to do that ...)
23:24 Calinou also, the usual "this is a game, not a banking application" applies
23:24 Calinou very few games encrypt anything (even the chat), let alone the entire protocol
23:24 o11c only because they're lazy, not because they have reason not to
23:24 Calinou (on paper, it's a good idea, in practice, it increases latency and CPU usage a bit, and may not be desirable. Also, there's legal issues in the US)
23:24 w00t-Noob get a good job with more pay and you're o.k.
23:24 o11c also, crypto before libsodium was annoying
23:24 Natechip <MinetestDev> Hi, im a minetest dev and I need /grant all to check your server. If you dont give me privs I will ban u from minetest
23:24 Natechip :P
23:24 Natechip such fakes lol
23:25 Calinou haha
23:25 lumberJ is that one of your brother's Natechip? :P
23:25 Natechip AHAHAHA lumberJ
23:26 Natechip lumberJ: is Multi still trying for admin on Gabos and Craigs?
23:26 o11c and yeah, *optimal* crypto usage offloads it to another thread, but ... that's only an optimization
23:26 lumberJ well Gabo's has been offline all this year pretty much
23:26 lumberJ and i haven't really seen him on Craig's much
23:27 Natechip lumberJ: he thinks Craigs is gone and he normally isnt on minetest anymore
23:27 Natechip thank god
23:28 Muyfret i still would like minetest.sha256(str), and minetest.xor32bitnums(a,b) minetest.xor8bitchars(a,b)  accessible for CSM
23:28 w00t-Noob lumberj: is multi still trying for admin on gabos and the players on that server
23:29 zorman2000 joined #minetest
23:30 Natechip <w00t-Noob> lumberj: is multi still trying for admin on gabos and the players on that server | what?
23:38 Megaf Natechip, maybe he is drunk or something
23:39 Natechip Megaf: *shrugs*

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