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00:06 Natechip anyone compiled minetest with cmake on windows?
00:09 ThomasMonroe Xd having problems?
00:12 Natechip ThomasMonroe... X
00:12 Natechip XD
00:12 ThomasMonroe did you follow the instructions to the tee like i told you?
00:13 ThomasMonroe i actually havent need to compile on Windows.....yet
00:13 ThomasMonroe so i wouldnt know whether or not those actually work XD
00:14 Natechip mehhh... they dont
00:16 Natechip ThomasMonroe: "This section is outdated. In addition to what is described here"
00:18 ThomasMonroe :/ sorry
00:18 ThomasMonroe try asking on -dev or -hub
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00:55 Taose or get a linux?
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03:33 swift110 hey
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11:24 emperormicah hey
11:25 emperormicah does anyone know where i can find the lua source for the /grant /grantme /revoke commands
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11:35 sfan5 emperormicah:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/​master/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L106
11:35 emperormicah thanks man :)
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11:40 emperormicah @sfan5 how do I access the 'core' from a mod?
11:41 sfan5 core is just another name for "minetest"
11:42 emperormicah oh so i can access it from the normal environment in a mod
11:42 sfan5 yes
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11:46 emperormicah I'm getting an error indexing core.settings, it is appearing as a nil value
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11:48 Krock update your minetest version then
11:48 jordan4ibanez I'm getting "Bus error (core dumped)" when trying to start the game
11:48 jordan4ibanez "Couldn't find a locale directory"
11:48 sfan5 self-compiled or distro package?
11:49 jordan4ibanez Arch linux from the repos
11:49 sfan5 also that isn't a fatal error, gdb would help
11:49 jordan4ibanez sfan5, how would I go about gdb? "gdb minetest" I'm guessing?
11:50 sfan5 ye
11:50 sfan5 then "r" and when it crashes "bt
11:50 sfan5 "
11:53 jordan4ibanez https://pastebin.com/raw/NME2Tkq6
11:53 jordan4ibanez Science stuff right there
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11:55 jordan4ibanez Running nvidia 384.90 on a gt730
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11:59 sfan5 your graphics driver might be broken
11:59 sfan5 have you tried turning it off and on again
11:59 jordan4ibanez It's running fine, I just got done playing sauerbraten and serious sam so it's working in 64 and 32 bit, I'm stumped
12:00 sfan5 nvidia 384.69-2 with a gtx950 here and everything works fine
12:00 sfan5 try compiling mt from source perhaps
12:01 deltasquared jordan4ibanez: arch linux huh? I'm usually hiding on #archlinux, let's see now
12:02 jordan4ibanez I will do that now, and deltasquared, I tried turning it off and on again hahaha
12:02 deltasquared "Bus error" usually means that a program has incorrectly accessed memory relating to a mapping that has changed size.
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12:02 deltasquared it's distinct from a segfault in that it can occur with mmap'd stuff, like for example graphics buffers
12:03 deltasquared so, the fact that your stack trace points out libnvidia-glcore would suggest you've hit a driver bug
12:03 deltasquared jordan4ibanez: so all that said, I would think that the "bus error" is not related ;)
12:04 jordan4ibanez deltasquared, yeah I'm still trying to get everything worked out, now I have pamac giving me invalid packages etc etc etc
12:06 deltasquared jordan4ibanez: just out of interest, did #archlinux direct you here?
12:06 deltasquared ...
12:06 deltasquared sfan5: they never stick around *facepalm*
12:07 deltasquared welcome to my life on #archlinux
12:07 sfan5 j4i should know better
12:07 sfan5 probably just rebooting
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12:09 Taose >.>
12:09 Taose Damned archlinux
12:09 Taose why can't everyone just use Debian
12:09 sfan5 outdated software
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12:10 Taose yet allegedly, it doesn't actually break down that often
12:10 deltasquared Taose: my arch install hasn't blown up in 3 years.
12:10 sfan5 it doesn't actually
12:10 sfan5 however just yesterday the update to linux 4.13 broke usb3.0 on my machine
12:11 Taose o.O
12:11 deltasquared wat
12:11 * deltasquared tests
12:11 sfan5 and then when downgrading linux i forgot to downgrade the lib32 package for nvidia which made me wonder for hours why steam wouldn't start up
12:11 sfan5 ;_;
12:11 Taose ah yes Nvidia
12:11 deltasquared steam, nvidia... you're got quite the handful there
12:11 Taose the worst graphic card to use for linux
12:11 sfan5 best*
12:11 Taose pfft
12:11 deltasquared if you can get it working, sure...
12:11 sfan5 apparently fcitx has a clipboard manager on ctrl+shift+, 🤔
12:12 Taose I've always found Radeon to to be the more stable
12:12 Taose (stability for me is more valuable)
12:12 deltasquared intel GPU is pretty good for stability, though for actual gaming use it's a bit anemic.
12:12 Taose Which is why I prefer Minetest over Terasology
12:13 deltasquared Terasology... I distinctly remember a *lot* of shader effects
12:13 Taose Graphically it was very nice, but it's built on Java
12:13 deltasquared eww
12:13 Taose exactly
12:14 deltasquared GC pauses do not belong in a game thanks :P
12:14 deltasquared that said, I wonder how often MT has to lua GC internally
12:14 deltasquared I haven't seen anything in the profiler to track it
12:14 Taose Mod idea...
12:14 Taose Sitting benches
12:14 Taose or do we have those?
12:14 * Taose checks
12:15 deltasquared I seem to remember having seating of some description
12:15 deltasquared *shrug*
12:15 deltasquared my brain is unable to process how that would work right now
12:15 sfan5 !mod bench
12:15 MinetestBot sfan5: Workbench - 3x3 4x4 5x5 [workbench] by cornernote - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3275
12:15 sfan5 !mod benches
12:15 MinetestBot sfan5: Could not find anything.
12:15 sfan5 hmm no
12:15 deltasquared workbench? that looks cool anyway
12:16 deltasquared man, I love just being able to git clone something when I want a litle thing here and there
12:16 Taose I'm sure there's something, it's probably tied into another mod
12:16 Taose Me too!
12:16 deltasquared hah, apparently you can use minetest.register_craft just fine with 4x4 recipes or beyond, you'll just need a bigger grid
12:17 Taose yep
12:17 deltasquared I'm pleasantly suprised that just works
12:17 Taose Though I wouldn't advise much over a 6x6
12:18 deltasquared raw.githubusercontent.com appears to still be borked by my ISP
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12:19 deltasquared jordan4ibanez: any luck yet?
12:20 jordan4ibanez deltasquared, Right now I'm trying to learn to regenerate my fstab to auto mount my usb as swap, I did it, but now I have a whole bunch of duplication warnings on boot
12:20 jordan4ibanez Also minetest starts
12:21 sfan5 sound like you're having fun ;)
12:22 Taose Or at least he will be after he installs all the appropriate mods
12:23 jordan4ibanez sfan5, https://i.imgur.com/6MjfKgu.jpg I got it looking pretty but I just gotta get the hang of it after being on debian for 2 years bleh
12:24 jordan4ibanez I could release it as a distro and then get sd'd by apple hahaha
12:24 sfan5 is that xfce?
12:24 deltasquared jordan4ibanez: "auto mount as swap" that's a bit mangled, I'd refer to #archlinux with help if you need it
12:24 jordan4ibanez Lxde
12:25 sfan5 do you need it to be *that* light on resources? :P
12:25 Taose O.o a dabber in the Darch Arts?
12:25 deltasquared well personally I always say that if I'm not looking at it I don't expect it to take any resources if possible
12:25 jordan4ibanez Yes, amd 3 core, 4gb ddr2, gt730, it's poop
12:25 sfan5 xfce should run fine on anything that's not from 2009
12:26 jordan4ibanez I need MOAR resources yo
12:26 * deltasquared sits here with a tiling WM and no visible UI elements at all
12:27 deltasquared 3 xorg sessions, minetest running idle in one, few terminals, hexchat... 900MB RAM. I think I'm good :P
12:27 deltasquared though, I suspect this is starting to become a "I raise you X MB" contest
12:28 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: https://i.imgur.com/xl3npLm.png ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:28 jordan4ibanez I'm gonna take out the ram and wire in 15mb of dram
12:28 sfan5 1.7GiB ram use at present
12:28 jordan4ibanez Yay boobs
12:29 sfan5 :P
12:29 deltasquared do I see... HERESY!
12:29 sfan5 art
12:29 jordan4ibanez 1.43gb with 7 tabs in google chrome and compiling peazip yo
12:29 deltasquared sfan5: the other block game, how dare you :P
12:30 sfan5 deltasquared: i barely play it
12:30 sfan5 haven't touched it in months
12:30 deltasquared always cool to, uh, "borrow" ideas from though maybe?
12:30 deltasquared hmm.
12:30 deltasquared speaking of ideas, implementing multipart blocks using entities... hmm
12:31 deltasquared sfan5: I'm thinking of forge multipart in particular. I suspect that putting such a thing in the engine would be *waaaay* to complex
12:31 sfan5 idk how that works never heard of it
12:32 deltasquared sfan5: multiple "things" can be occupy a block space, say multiple torches. or project:red wires, for instance
12:32 sfan5 sounds fancy
12:32 deltasquared if MT had such a thing, for example, the moreblocks panels etc. could share a space
12:32 deltasquared no idea how one would give it node sounds though, among many other caveats.
12:33 jordan4ibanez sfan5, is mesecons outdated af?
12:33 sfan5 not it still works
12:33 sfan5 development has been slow but it's not like there's anything to replace it
12:33 jordan4ibanez Well still works and being optimized hmmmmmm
12:34 jordan4ibanez I'mma give it a try and probably fail woooo
12:34 deltasquared sfan5: I've looked into mesecons and my head hurted. I don't think it's going to be replaced by some upstart anytime soon :P
12:34 deltasquared ActionQueue... oh dear
12:35 deltasquared I'll say one thing though, if I ever had to do something like that, I'd be bringing along a certain red-coloured ore from the other game ;)
12:37 Taose Who even plays minecraft nowadays
12:38 Taose They must have not have heard of minetest
12:39 deltasquared I've been trying to encourage my brother to play MT. he was rebuilding an old house from memory, he wasn't really doing anything that required MC in particular (bar perhaps textures)
12:39 Taose :)
12:39 deltasquared younger relatives too, but alas MC is the "cool thing" the kids want to play it seems
12:40 Taose XD
12:40 deltasquared it's not a case of they want to play a block game, they want to play *minecraft* with all it's context so they can talk/waste time over it etc.
12:43 Taose ah
12:43 Taose I think half of it is more to do with their friends not being there
12:43 deltasquared that too, the network effect etc.
12:45 Taose Do we have an NPC mod that allows NPCs to be programmed in game? I.e place a "person" crafted from Feathers and Honey then being able to select options in an ingame menu?
12:45 Taose (Nothing to complex just a few inbuilt scripts)
12:46 deltasquared Taose: I dunno about programmability, though I did consider writing a lib to produce a fake player object that would try to "look" as convincing as possible
12:47 deltasquared that said, it would be a table, not a userdata, so if you looked closely enough, it'd fall down
12:47 Taose keke
12:47 Taose I'm just thinking about easy routes to make interact-able stuff
12:48 Taose I'm building a village and have almost gotten to the stage where I want to start populating it.
12:48 deltasquared do me a favour, don't make them squidwards
12:49 deltasquared for the love of god
12:49 deltasquared no more "hmm"s
12:49 Taose ?
12:50 deltasquared Taose: I'm referring to the MC villagers
12:50 deltasquared *shudders*
12:50 Taose >.<
12:50 deltasquared now he gets it :P
12:50 Taose I haven't ever played MC
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12:51 deltasquared Taose: good thing then. let's just say that the MC villagers have a habit of driving people insane
12:51 Taose Mine probably won't be saying much
12:52 Taose Just inhabiting their houses
12:52 Taose they might go and bash the same tree without actually cutting it down day after day...
12:52 Taose or they might work in the mine
12:52 Taose day after day not actually mining anything
12:53 deltasquared AI systems would be intriguing, but beyond my capacity right now
12:53 Taose Yeah I've got no desire for actual AI at the moment
12:54 Taose (I refer to AI as being code that makes decisions based on input)
12:54 deltasquared "game AI" then, people get what you mean there
12:54 Taose ah okay
12:57 deltasquared Taose: hmm, this kinda puts it into context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIImfiokOU
12:58 Taose >.>
12:58 Taose lmfao
12:58 deltasquared it gets REALLY ANNOYING over time
12:58 deltasquared it was bad enough that they resemble squidward with those noses
12:58 Taose XD
12:59 Taose I was thinking text tbf
12:59 deltasquared there was an old mod that replaced villager's with steve's model (the default player skin), and made iron golems (guard type things that walk around villages) look like skyrim guards
12:59 deltasquared in a blocky way, of course
12:59 Taose XD
13:01 Taose I can imagine how that'd get very annoying very quickly
13:01 Taose I wonder if I could get away with Dragon Naturally Speaking voices...
13:17 deltasquared Taose: perhaps https://lyrebird.ai ?
13:17 deltasquared I'm actually wanting to try that on myself now
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13:18 Calinou "double-facepalm" :-)
13:18 deltasquared Calinou: huh?
13:18 Calinou (some custom Xonotic player models use espeak voices, one of the taunts is "double facepalm" said using espeak)
13:18 Raven262 lol
13:19 deltasquared indeed
13:22 Taose Lyrebird or mockingjay...hmmm
13:22 deltasquared Taose: actually IIRC the actually talking ones were called jabberjays
13:23 Taose that is true
13:24 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/minetest.png
13:24 Calinou about adding NPCs to Minetest :P
13:24 sfan5 you forgot the last one
13:25 sfan5 "implementing mobile players as NPCs"
13:25 Calinou oh, yes
13:25 Calinou we could acheve very high levels of realism for that one, it'd be Turing-complete
13:25 Taose XD
13:25 Taose Nah I'm only interested in something very basic
13:30 rubenwardy a turing machine from actual mobile players would be hilarious
13:30 rubenwardy EVE-level beginner extortion
13:30 rubenwardy doubt it's possible
13:31 Krock I hope you've all seen the Turing machine in PowerPoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNjxe8ShM-8
13:31 rubenwardy yes :D
13:32 Taose O.o
13:32 Taose must be that time of day
13:32 * Taose puts the kettle on
13:32 sfan5 !title
13:32 MinetestBot sfan5: On The Turing Completeness of PowerPoint (SIGBOVIK) - YouTube
13:33 deltasquared rubenwardy: "EVE-level", so it was a common thing on that game to exploit new users?
13:34 rubenwardy yeah, big players would exploit new users to make loads of money for them at low cost
13:35 Taose That's damned impressive...
13:40 deltasquared turing machine in powerpoint... I'm fscking done
13:44 Taose /dev/sda1 fsck failed. Disk failure.
13:45 sfan5 should've used btrfs, it has no fsck so nothing can fail
13:45 sfan5 :P
13:45 Taose XD
13:46 Taose Turns out Ubuntu doesn't like the suspend feature
13:46 Taose Tends to lead to corruption on the hdd...
13:47 XeonSquared even more fun is a brainf--k interpreter in excel
13:47 Taose O.o
13:47 XeonSquared got bored one day at work and did that
13:48 XeonSquared excel does not like loops
13:48 deltasquared sfan5: I was just lucking at the facedir axis values... is there a particular reason that they're the values that they are?
13:48 deltasquared is there a special trick to say flip it to face exactly the opposite way
13:48 sfan5 deltasquared: prob no
13:49 Krock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQqGzPXUwAAVUOd.jpg
13:50 deltasquared right, so I'm still going to need some kind of flip function. darn.
13:50 Krock (if the "feature" answer isn't enough)
13:50 Calinou Taose: suspend on Linux is still pretty unreliable today
13:50 Calinou on the proprietary NVIDIA driver, it's pretty much unusable
13:51 sfan5 you mean suspend to disk surely?
13:51 Calinou on open source drivers, it's mostly okay… at best
13:51 Calinou no, to RAM
13:51 Calinou to disk is probably even worse
13:51 sfan5 works perfectly on my laptop
13:51 Calinou on my laptop, suspending worked, but Bluetooth sometimes didn't restore
13:51 Calinou (only a reboot could solve it)
13:53 Krock I tried to suspend to RAM too, that was two days ago. But each attempt to do so failed, as it kept starting up again, getting back to the login screen. This even when trying to shut down from the login screen itself :/
13:53 Krock hard exit solved it
13:54 Krock i.e. 5s death-knob pressing or cable out
13:57 Taose Yeah that's pretty much what I've found
13:57 Taose I usually find it makes my main disk read only on restore
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14:12 Taose Paramat, does your weather mod water the ground?
14:13 paramat for farming?
14:14 paramat no
14:14 paramat good idea though
14:15 paramat some have forked the mod and made changes to do with how it acts when the player is undercover
14:16 paramat as that behaviour is obviously controversial
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14:17 Taose Hm
14:18 Taose In that case I have two issues
14:18 Taose one the crops aren't growing beyond stage 1
14:18 Taose 2 the water can isn't watering
14:18 Taose 3 the soil isn't drying out?
14:18 Taose Was the water's range increased?
14:19 Taose As for how it acts when undercover, I'm okay with how it is ^-^
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14:29 paramat i don't know what is causing your issues
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14:43 Taose Yeah neither do I >.>
14:43 Taose I had it before I believe.
14:50 Taose I think I've figured it out
14:50 Taose Sofar, your watering can doesn't work
14:55 Taose and now the crops are growing again
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15:21 swift110 hey all
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16:11 habeangur Minetest is Freenode sponser?how?
16:17 Taose With what money?
16:18 Taose Or is Celeron being overly generous again?
16:19 rubenwardy habeangur, exhibitor
16:19 rubenwardy "sponsors and exhibitors" the title is called, I believe
16:19 rubenwardy context: freenode.live
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17:39 Taose Paramat, apparently being under glass doesn't count
17:40 paramat because sunlight propagates, so light level is still 15 under glass
17:41 Taose Ah I see so it's using the same system as sunlight?
17:44 paramat snowdrift mod determines 'being under open sky' by detecting the maximum light level which is 15
17:52 Taose Well not a huge issue at any rate
18:09 rdococ Want to know my favorite planet?
18:12 Raven262 Yes, rdococ, tell us.
18:13 rdococ Uranus :P
18:13 Raven262 Ah
18:13 Raven262 That wasn't even a fun joke
18:13 rdococ This computer, the one I'm using right now, has a web filter.
18:13 rdococ I've set it not to bother me, but every while or so it fails somehow and has to redownload the settings.
18:14 rdococ For some reason, I can access every website, but I can't enter a Roblox game.
18:14 Raven262 Awww, even better than my magically disappearing ublock origin.
18:14 rdococ Ugh, god damn it.
18:15 rdococ I'm tempted to restart.
18:17 rdococ Right, that's it, I'm restarting. Can't take this any longer.
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18:21 rdococ Well, I'm back.
18:21 rdococ The web filter is still initializing.
18:21 deltasquared as am I. *waves*
18:21 rdococ Whatever the heck that means.
18:22 rdococ I sincerely wish I would know more about what it's actually doing during this time.
18:22 deltasquared "we're just setting things up for you"
18:22 rdococ Because, last time I checked, downloading a few files from the internet didn't take more than 15 minutes.
18:23 rdococ Seriously, is it just wasting my time?
18:23 deltasquared no idea
18:23 deltasquared I don't know the product/software in question
18:23 rdococ I managed to get on a website. It hasn't fully loaded, though.
18:24 rdococ The product is Netintelligence, and it's a pain in the ass on what is meant to be a home computer.
18:24 rdococ Intelligent my ass.
18:24 deltasquared doesn't work quite right? sounds like an "antivirus" if you know what I mean
18:24 rdococ It shipped with the computer, and attempts to remove it failed.
18:25 rdococ I don't think it's rogue, though.
18:27 Taose Web filter?
18:27 deltasquared any idea how it works? DNS? connection intercept
18:27 deltasquared *shudder* local SSL MiTM?
18:28 Taose Just format the damn thing and run linux :)
18:28 deltasquared sky's "broadband shield" is a mere DNS redirector, so it's fairly easy to skip over
18:28 rdococ I don't know how Netintelligence works.
18:29 deltasquared I'm just wondering if "not-so-netintelligence" applies to how it supposedly does it's filtering
18:29 rdococ I really don't think it's rogue, though.
18:30 Taose https://kb.stonegroup.co.uk/inde​x.php?View=entry&amp;EntryID=299
18:30 Taose I suggest you remove it
18:30 deltasquared eh, it'll probably be one of those things you'll want to throw out the window eventually if it interferes with stuff
18:30 Taose and by that I mean... a nice hard format
18:30 rdococ Taose, I can't connect to that page.
18:30 deltasquared phahaha
18:30 Taose -_-
18:30 rdococ Can you send a screenshot?
18:30 Taose Which image sites can you access?
18:31 rdococ ...Wait, that won't work either. Crap.
18:31 Taose XD
18:31 rdococ Taose, what's odd is that I was able to go on every website just before I had to restart.
18:31 rdococ Is it actually rogue?!
18:31 Taose No
18:31 rdococ Okay, it loads now.
18:31 Taose Netintelligence is a parental net lock thingy
18:31 Taose Netintelligence is an internet parental control designed to help parents monitor and if required, restrict their children's Internet activity. It allows you to:
18:31 Taose Determine which types of web sites you doand do notwant your family to visit.
18:31 Taose Keep an eye on the length of time spent on the computer by your family and what they are doing.
18:31 Taose The following list shows the type of websites that are blocked by default. The categories can be added or removed for each user account. Gaming websites can also be added to the blocked list, but is not enabled as default.
18:31 Taose In then goes on to list...
18:32 rdococ I also don't know the username or password.
18:32 Taose Adult, Gambling, Threats, Drugs, Hate, Gaming
18:32 Taose so...
18:32 Taose everything
18:32 Taose Do you have a usb stick?
18:32 deltasquared "anonymous file sharing" in sky broadband shield's case blocks web.archive.org. fuck you.
18:32 deltasquared ...
18:32 deltasquared err, fsck? damn
18:32 * deltasquared hides
18:32 Taose ?
18:33 rdococ I did, however, while I knew the login details, configure the settings not to block anything.
18:33 deltasquared Taose: I got advised not to use profanity to liberally on here is all
18:33 deltasquared *too
18:33 Taose Probably a good idea.
18:33 Taose However using fsck instead of the more vulgar term, is actually still profanity.
18:34 rdococ My mother likes forgetting things like manuals that come with stuff.
18:34 rdococ It's really annoying.
18:34 deltasquared Taose: huh, I always thought using the term for filesystem check would go under the radar
18:35 Taose It's never the word that matters, it's the intent ^-^
18:35 deltasquared intent my foot
18:35 Taose See, profanity right there ;)
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18:35 * deltasquared strangles Taose
18:35 rdococ Intent my banana.
18:35 Taose As for getting rid of netintelligence
18:35 rdococ Remember, kids! Profanity is when you feel a negative emotion!
18:36 rdococ How would I get rid of it without trying to log in?
18:36 Taose Pretty much the only way you can do it now is a format, you'll otherwise need the details.
18:36 rdococ God damn it.
18:36 Taose and don't install it when you boot re-load.
18:36 Taose In the mean time, grab a usb-stick and run linux through it
18:36 deltasquared best way I have of copying files between two devices still: netcat or tarpipes
18:40 Taose >.>
18:40 Taose To be fair I just snail mail anything over 5gb
18:41 Taose O.o
18:41 Taose Netintelligence warning:
18:41 Taose Please Note: You will not be able to 'surf' the Internet using Google Chrome as it is not compatible with Netintelligence. Google Chrome should not be installed on your PC / notebook.
18:42 rdococ Netintelligence is honestly crap.
18:43 rdococ I'm considering installing Tor browser.
18:44 rdococ I can go on every website, but I can't enter a Roblox game.
18:44 rdococ Why the hell is it being so selective?
18:44 Taose >.>
18:44 rdococ Sometimes I begin to think that everything is actually put into place by an evil god to torture me.
18:44 Taose have you tried Minetest, I hear it's awesome
18:44 deltasquared I guess it blocks everything it doesn't have a backdoor to
18:45 rdococ It doesn't block IRC at all, deltasquared. Even when it's busy "downloading settings" for 20 flipping minutes.
18:45 rdococ And it better not start, either.
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18:45 rdococ I'm considering contacting support, but it doesn't even say.
18:48 rdococ Okay, great, now even LESS is working.
18:49 rdococ I swear to flipping God
18:49 rdococ I fucking swear to God.
18:50 Taose Get a usb stick...
18:50 Taose Download manjaro...
18:50 rdococ Manjaro?
18:50 rdococ What the heck is that?
18:50 Taose Linux distro
18:50 rdococ I can't even do that right now.
18:50 Taose it's actually pretty good at running from a usb
18:50 Taose >.> someone email him a copy
18:50 rdococ I don't have another computer to download it.
18:50 Taose -_-
18:51 rdococ I probably can't even access email.
18:51 Taose Okay
18:51 rdococ This software is plain fucking cruel to me.
18:51 Taose your only option is to reformat the machine
18:51 rdococ (that being Netintelligence)
18:51 rdococ My only option at the moment is to get a fucking hammer.
18:52 Taose We'll see you when you get a new computer?
18:52 rdococ Maybe.
18:53 rdococ It's literally impossible to vent your anger out in a world like this. One small thing will hurt you even more.
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18:54 rdococ Fuck it, I'm getting the Tor browser.
18:55 rdococ I hope it will help to bypass this crappy filtering software I don't even want.
18:56 rdococ LOL - it broke Windows's crappy SmartScreen thing.
18:56 rdococ I'm going to show Netintellistupid - that stupid piece of fucking shit - who's boss.
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18:57 assadf minetest needs a pubg style subgame
18:57 rdococ pubg?
18:57 assadf playerunknown's battlegrounds
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18:58 assadf hey wouldn't it make really good sense for a minetest server to make use of ipfs
19:00 rubenwardy !g ipfs
19:01 sfan5 >ipfs meme
19:01 rubenwardy ~g ipfs
19:01 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Home | IPFS Corporation - To ensure ipfs.com is always performing to the highest standards, we regularly perform system maintenance from Saturday 9:00 PM Central Time to Sunday 8:00 AM Central ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ipfs.com%2F>, GitHub - ipfs/ipfs: IPFS - The Permanent Web - IPFS (the InterPlanetary File System) is a new hypermedia distribution protocol, (5 more messages)
19:01 sfan5 rubenwardy: tl;dr the "web" but it's a distributed filesystem
19:01 rubenwardy MinetestBot!
19:01 MinetestBot rubenwardy!
19:01 rdococ Had to get a bridge.
19:01 rdococ But I think it's up and running now.
19:01 sfan5 assadf: how exactly would ipfs help minetest?
19:03 assadf instead of loading data from a central server players in the same geographical location could pull data from each other's machines thereby shaving precious ms in latency
19:03 assadf if i understand it correctly
19:03 assadf say what you will about the ipfs meme but their irc is several times more active than yours js
19:04 sfan5 okay cool
19:04 sfan5 assadf: i only see this working out for media files or (with several complications) world data
19:04 * Krock has flashbacks of an issue about distributed game content, which slowly died in inactivity
19:04 sfan5 however both of those are not latency-relevant
19:05 sfan5 latency matters when interacting with other players or the environment, not during data download
19:05 sfan5 besides ~60% of minetest players are on mobile platforms which will guaranteedly not run ipfs
19:05 rdococ Couldn't a machine send incorrect data, though?
19:06 assadf so you are telling me that when I walk to an area cached on my buddy sitting next to me's machine that the latency wouldn't matter between getting it from his comp and getting it from the server
19:06 rdococ (Though that could easily be prevented using SHA checksums.)
19:06 assadf actually android has an ipfs alpha client already available
19:06 Krock rdococ, that's another issue. never trust clients.
19:06 assadf everything is hashed and signed on ipfs
19:07 rdococ Krock: A machine could send incorrect data, sure. However, if the server and machine only exchange checksums to ensure that the data is correct, then I don't see the problem.
19:07 sfan5 assadf: correct
19:07 rdococ It wouldn't cause too much latency - I hope, anyway.
19:07 sfan5 it does not matter if you get a 16KiB block of data from your mate @ 2ms or from the server which is at worst 300ms away
19:08 sfan5 the android thing i mention wasn't about support, it was about whether people would actually use it
19:08 assadf i beg to differ
19:08 assadf try it and see
19:09 sfan5 why would i go out of my way just to prove what you said?
19:09 assadf no im saying the difference would be noticeable
19:10 sfan5 certainly, but i'm saying the difference does not matter
19:11 assadf im thinking that it might enable people in china to play with people in america on the same server and actually enjoy the experience
19:11 sfan5 even if latency did matter, map data is way too dynamic to be stored distributed in an useful manner
19:12 assadf surely you must be joking
19:12 sfan5 no
19:12 sfan5 can ipfs distribute map updates several times a second faster than directly sending data to each client?
19:14 assadf what exactly do you mean
19:14 rdococ Ugh, I am seriously annoyed by this web filter. It still manages to be a pain even though I've configured it not to filter anything.
19:14 rdococ I had to restart the computer earlier, and now I can't access any website normally.
19:15 rdococ I had to install Tor browser, and even use a bridge or two.
19:16 sfan5 assadf: map data can change several times a second, can ipfs handle that and provide the newest "version" to clients in a timely manner?
19:17 assadf a core philosophy of its design is to introduce zero adoption friction. I would assume, though I am not intimately familiar with its inner workings, that it could in fact handle the task you describe
19:19 sfan5 even if it could, i seriously doubt that would be faster (latency-wise) than just sending map updates to each client individually
19:21 assadf so you think it is faster for one machine to continually update several machines on map data rather than several machines working together to keep each other updated. I think it is the other way around. It seems we have reached an impasse in our discussion and further scientific inquiry is required to ascertain the truth
19:21 sfan5 possibly
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19:22 sfan5 if ipfs does turn out to be magically faster than what we have been using for years you would still need to find a developer to implement it
19:22 ClockGen is it possible to give player custom velocity in lua?
19:22 sfan5 and i can guarantee you that adoption rate would be very low
19:22 sfan5 ClockGen: no
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19:23 sfan5 ClockGen: this feature has been requiested for some time but it's not implemented yet
19:23 sfan5 maybe you can find the relevant issue if you search on github
19:25 paramat map data changes very many times a second
19:26 rdococ That's it, I refuse to believe that Netintelligence isn't malware.
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19:37 Angry hey
19:38 Angry anyone alive
19:38 deltasquared maybe?
19:38 rdococ https://www.xkcd.com/231/
19:38 rubenwardy not sure
19:39 Angry well you people arent dead rubenwardy deltasquared
19:39 rubenwardy how'd you know?
19:39 rubenwardy I feel like it
19:39 rdococ I think I might be alive, but I don't know for sure :/
19:39 rdococ I'm battling with a broken web filter
19:39 Angry sounds hard rdococ
19:40 rdococ I'm considering booting into safe mode to boot the web filter out.
19:40 deltasquared might work, hopefully that'll disable whatever it's using to protect itself
19:41 rdococ I wonder how it even does that, though.
19:41 rdococ I've found at least one source which actually claims the filter to be malware, but the source doesn't seem too trustworthy itself.
19:41 deltasquared I dunno re self-protection, but antiviruses do it too
19:42 deltasquared that said, software which I can't remove on a system I should control, and acts against my interest, qualifies as malware in my book ;)
19:42 rdococ I had to install Tor browser, because it wouldn't allow me to access very many websites for whatever reason.
19:43 rdococ Once I emailed the bridges email bot with 'get bridges', I was able to connect to Tor and access the internet, unrestricted, through that.
19:44 rdococ Though I'm not even sure I can access Safe Mode on this laptop. It's Windows 8.1.
19:44 rdococ Also, I think the vendor has tampered with the boot screen.
19:45 deltasquared sounds like a typical day in the life of a windows user to me :P
19:45 rdococ Heh.
19:46 rdococ When I get my laptop back - hopefully tomorrow - I'd forgo all this shit and install Linux, if not for the fact that I still have a lingering feeling for Roblox.
19:46 rdococ I really don't know what to do.
19:46 rdococ My plan was originally to only use Roblox here on this laptop, but the shitty web filter has broken everything.
19:46 rdococ I'm installing Malwarebytes as we speak to see if it classifies Netintelligence as malware.
19:47 deltasquared Roblox? eh, I can't really judge on that one owing to a lack of exposure to it.
19:48 rdococ Well, it's proprietary and it REALLY likes money, so it's become sort of a guilty pleasure.
19:49 rdococ Yay, Malwarebytes can't download the latest updates and stuff.
19:51 deltasquared I would just gently point out that there might be a point where it's either that software or preserving your sanity
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19:51 rdococ Honestly, I'd have to agree with you.
19:51 rdococ But I'm already insane anyway - and if I wasn't, school would make me go insane.
19:52 rdococ I self-regularly slap my own head at the sides. One time, it was hard enough that I swore I went deaf in my right ear for a few moments, or at least my sense of hearing was diminished there. Note that I was still able to balance and walk fine, though.
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20:01 rdococ I do agree with you though, deltasquared. Netintelligence is software that is acting against my interests, and resisting removal even with Autoruns.exe. That is what both of us call malware.
20:04 rdococ What the...
20:04 rdococ I just disconnected from all three networks.
20:04 rdococ I managed to reconnect to two other than Freenode, and then one of them - Inchra - disconnected again.
20:04 rdococ But it's back to normal now... if with a high ping.
20:05 deltasquared right, must go, because my current X11 session can't seem to undock from my monitor properly. RIP>
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20:14 rdococ I've decided to fuck it; I'm just going to see if Netstupidence is going to block Minetest servers too.
20:14 rdococ Seems not.
20:14 Taose yaaay
20:15 rdococ Yay!
20:16 rdococ Hmm, which server to go on.
20:16 rubenwardy redcat creative
20:16 rubenwardy :)
20:16 rdococ lol, I'm connecting to VE-C atm
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20:16 rubenwardy :'(
20:17 rdococ I got on to VE-Basic fairly easily, though, so I believe the broken web filter doesn't block Minetest servers.
20:17 rdococ I am eternally grateful that Minetest uses different ports.
20:25 rdococ My nutso web filter filters http://192.168.0.1:80/ because it hasn't, and never SEEMS to, get the proper settings.
20:26 Taose Isn't 192.168 a local server?
20:26 Taose i.e you
20:26 Krock not directly you but a device in your local network
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20:27 Krock .0.1 and .1.1 are common router IPs
20:31 rdococ yeah, 192.168.0.1 connects to the control panel for my router
20:31 rdococ yet this dumbass web filter blocks it because it "has invalid settings" and must "download settings" (which takes an indefinite amount of time);
20:33 Taose Yeah there's this command called Fdisk
20:33 Taose It'll solve your problem instantly
20:33 Taose I'd back up all your data that you want to keep though
20:34 rdococ Would the operating system be formatted, though?
20:34 rdococ See, I'm kind of confused.
20:35 rdococ 'Formatting' a disk would leave nothing on that disk, right?
20:35 Taose mhm
20:35 rdococ What would happen if I then tried to boot the computer without an external flash drive?
20:35 Taose Not a lot
20:35 rdococ What /would/ happen, though?
20:36 Taose Well assuming that you didn't have an OS to reinstall...very very little
20:36 Taose as in, you wouldn't get past the bios screen
20:37 rdococ Is there a way to wipe everything, but keep the OS itself and essential components such as Internet Explorer, so I can reinstall Firefox?
20:38 Taose Did you get a disk with your computer?
20:38 Taose i.e a windows disk
20:38 rdococ Don't think so.
20:38 rdococ Even if I did, my mother probably would have thrown it away.
20:40 Taose http://mywindowshub.com/reinstall-windows-8/ ?
20:40 Taose ...
20:40 Taose hang on
20:40 Taose Steps to reinstall Windows 8 without the disk
20:40 Taose 1. First of all you need to go to the computer settings, to do so press Windows + C keys to view the start menu startbar, click on Settings.
20:40 Taose 2. Over there you find a “Change PC Settings” option, click it.
20:40 Krock > essential components
20:40 Krock > Internet Explorer
20:40 Taose 3. Now, a PC Settings window opens, over there navigate to General Settings, scroll down and you will find three options
20:41 Taose “1st-Refresh Your PC without affecting your files”
20:41 Taose “2nd-Remove everything and reinstall windows”
20:41 Taose “3rd-Advanced Startup”
20:41 Taose The 1st option is for reinstalling windows 8 without affecting your files the 2nd is to delete all files and reinstall windows 8 and the 3rd option gives you the options for installing windows from USB drive/DVD or other options.
20:41 Taose IE isn't essential anymore, I think that's Edge nowadays
20:41 rdococ Krock: yeah I didn't think that through
20:42 rdococ My mother uses the first option regularly for some reason. It temporarily keeps the broken web filter at bay.
20:42 Taose You need the second
20:42 rdococ ah.
20:43 rdococ should I do it now?
20:43 Taose I recommend backing up your data just in case but sure you can try it
20:43 Taose I'd personally recommend trying to get a small linux distro
20:43 Taose I wonder if you can use ftp?
20:44 Taose (i.e. using something other than the 80 port to get data)
20:44 rdococ My mother has lots of files on here, but I'm not sure about the whole backupping thing.
20:44 Taose If you're using tor, that should enable you to download an ISO
20:45 rdococ well, my mother did say I could do whatever with this
20:45 rdococ so for now I might go for the second option
20:45 Taose Go for it
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20:49 rdococ_ K.
20:50 rdococ_ I sincerely hope this works.
20:51 rdococ_ gonna mess around on this iPad thing.
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20:58 rdococ_ Ugh, I wish this thing had better multitasking.
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21:06 Taose >.>
21:09 rdococ_ <.<
21:10 rdococ_ 'were setting things up for you'
21:10 rdococ_ 'We're'?
21:10 rdococ_ Wow, there must be tiny people in my computer making it work. /s
21:11 rdococ_ "Don't turn off your -- fuck, netintelligence is still there
21:12 rdococ_ the only shit it even deleted was shit I care about
21:12 rdococ_ like Firefox and Hexchat
21:21 sofar !mod warps
21:21 MinetestBot sofar: Warps [0.2][warps] by madchicken13 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2775
21:22 Lone-Star i stopped running windows long time ago, except in a vm for programs that only run in windows
21:23 rdococ_ I would run Linux but I'm using my parents computer rn
21:24 Lone-Star what are you running to require port 80?
21:24 rdococ_ You mean 192.168.0.1?
21:25 rdococ_ thats the routers control panel
21:25 rdococ_ it uses port 80
21:33 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Stratum ore: Allow use with no noise for simple horizontal strata e2afcf8 https://git.io/vdnRd (2017-10-01T21:31:44Z)
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21:39 rdococ hi rdococ_
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22:18 rdococ I love it when my internet breaks. I love it so so much.
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22:31 jordan4ibanez Are animated particles possible yet?
22:32 sfan5 ys
22:32 sfan5 es
22:32 sfan5 yes
22:45 jordan4ibanez sfan5, how??
22:46 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4969 -->> https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4443
22:48 jordan4ibanez sfan5, possible for particle spawners?
22:48 sfan5 yes was just forgotten in the docs
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23:15 jordan4ibanez This opens up worlds of untapped potential :O
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