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IRC log for #minetest, 2017-09-19

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00:07 dogetest I need to prevent players from digging/placing, but cant find a way to it
00:08 red-001 interact privilege
00:12 dogetest actually, I need to charge a fee from player, if player can pay, he may interact, but if not, he shouldnt interact
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00:31 dogetest Inside register_on_dignode Im trying: local inv = digger:get_inventory() local drop = minetest.get_node_drops(oldnode.name, nil)[1] if inv:remove_item(drop,1) then minetest.set_node(pos,oldnode) end . while set_node get executed, drop isnt removed from inventory
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00:32 BBmine What's the best way to report users on the forums?
00:33 sfan5 click the report button
00:33 BBmine I don't see a report button on his profile. (He has no posts, but his profile is just an advertizement for porn)
00:39 VanessaE BBmine: link?
00:39 VanessaE (I believe it's a /!\ button by the way)
00:39 BBmine Here it is: https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&u=21003
00:40 VanessaE sorted.
00:40 BBmine Thanks :)
00:40 VanessaE yw.
00:41 BBmine I don't see a /!\ button on profiles.
00:41 VanessaE oh right, derp.  I mean on his posts, which he has none.
00:41 VanessaE no worries, you did right.
00:41 BBmine Profiles should really have one, IMO
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00:53 Lone-Star ok, gonna ask again, I have a mod that keeps disabling itself on world or game exit. handle_schematics is the mod in question, what's up with that?
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01:20 Niebieski Calinou: Hey, I just connected to your server my machine uploads data instead of downloading media why is that?
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02:45 CalebDavis ok i am adding an entity and then attaching it to the player but is dissapears when i attach it but it reapears when i leave and re-join but it isnt attached anymore why is it dissapearing
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07:45 Calinou Niebieski: uh…
07:45 Calinou how do you know?
07:45 Calinou to play a networked game, your machine needs to download *and* upload data
07:45 Calinou however it's not going to upload it to the web server :)
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08:09 rdococ is Windows designed to get laggier over time, so you have to restart, causing windows updates?
08:10 sy yes
08:10 sy how else would they convince you updates make a difference
08:10 rdococ heh
08:11 rdococ of course, I could just disable windows update. then again, I did that on my mother's laptop (set it to "don't even download updates"), and by the looks of it, it was still doing something related to updates as I restarted it
08:13 sy heh
08:13 sy can't escape the botnet
08:13 rdococ in actuality, though, all it's doing is tempting me to switch to linux faster than I already planned on doing
08:13 rdococ or, rather, back to linux
08:19 rdococ so maybe windows should stop slowing down in an attempt to trick me
08:19 rdococ it might just make me use it a little longer before I decide it's time to stop playing around
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08:39 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Rooted plantlike drawtype: Add remaining documentation a016b64 https://git.io/v5AUV (2017-09-19T08:35:28Z)
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10:05 IhrFussel rdococ, Windows OS slows down over time because it uses the registry system which is utterly stupid and I'm glad Linux doesn't
10:06 IhrFussel Maybe the registry doesn't slow it down in a matter of days, but as you install and uninstall lots of software the registry will be full of crap you don't need
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10:54 Calinou Windows slowdowns over time were greatly reduced as of Windows 8/10
10:54 Calinou it's barely noticeable now, especially on a SSD
10:54 Calinou so, you don't quite need to reinstall every 6 months :)
10:54 Calinou IhrFussel: also, there's software for cleaning the registry, if you really need to
10:55 Calinou but on modern hardware, you don't need to
10:57 IhrFussel Calinou, AFAIK Windows still uses the crappy registry system...as long as it does it will never be as good as Linux in that regard
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10:58 IhrFussel To install 3rd party software to clean up a stupid system part is no solution IMO
11:01 Calinou IhrFussel: it uses the registry still
11:01 Calinou also, the registry system isn't bad per se, though it might be slow
11:01 Calinou Linux has many flaws in the management of configuration and settings, too
11:03 IhrFussel Calinou, Linux does not EVER slow down...if it does you did something wrong
11:03 Calinou I think it can
11:04 IhrFussel Ubuntu doesn't I use it since 3 years
11:05 IhrFussel Like I said..if it does, you changed something in the system you shouldn't change
11:06 IhrFussel Or you probably forget to purge software you don't need anymore...some people only use "remove" which doesn't touch config files
11:06 Calinou anyway, on modern hardware and software, the Windows slowdown isn't noticeable
11:06 Calinou (it doesn't have to be high-end – as long as you have a SSD and a non-crappy CPU, it's good)
11:08 IhrFussel Calinou, if you say so^^ ... what about RAM management? Does Windows not claim ~ 50% of your RAM for the OS anymore?
11:10 IhrFussel I've got 8 GB RAM now and Linux let's me use ~ 7 of them ... back when I had Win 7 I had 1 GB RAM and could only use ~ 400 MB for myself
11:12 IhrFussel On my older PC with 768 MB RAM I had Xubuntu 16.04 and the OS only claimed 30% ... that's what I call efficient
11:12 Calinou IhrFussel: unused RAM is wasted RAM :)
11:13 Calinou http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
11:13 Calinou is also for Windows
11:13 Calinou available memory ≠ free memory
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11:14 IhrFussel Calinou, No what I mean is I didn't have more than 50% RAM for my personal use..Windows "stole" 50%
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11:15 IhrFussel And as soon as I tried to load a program that used than my 50% the OS completely slowed down
11:15 IhrFussel used more*
11:17 IhrFussel Even MS accepts that some parts of Linux are just better designed, so they added the Bash shell for example
11:18 IhrFussel Windows still looks better, looks more modern, gets more support and is overall more popular...but the Linux OS does many things better under the hood and that's a fact
11:18 Calinou IhrFussel: how much RAM did you have?
11:18 Calinou you want 8 GB of RAM on Windows 10, really
11:18 Calinou 4 GB isn't great today, like it or not
11:19 Calinou (even on Linux, if you use GNOME or KDE)
11:19 IhrFussel I had 1 GB with Win 7 and 768 MB with Xubuntu 16.04 ... the latter worked better
11:20 IhrFussel Xubuntu works very fast with 768 MB..trust me
11:20 asl97 Off topic much?  anyway, you can't really compare linux (kernel) and windows as a whole,  linux with other software as a whole aren't perfect, there a numbers parts which does slow down overtime until something is done every now and then.
11:20 asl97 The linux intergration is just a stupid pr stuff to try to pull linux users to windows, I doubt most windows user would even know about it, let alone uses it.
11:20 IhrFussel Maybe you wait 1 or 2 secs before the browser opens, but it's faster than any Windows
11:22 IhrFussel asl97, I know that "Linux" isn't one defined OS... the performance depends on DE, software installed, kernel features enabled/disabled...and much more
11:22 IhrFussel But Linux is more open and offers more options...Windows doesn't even let you touch their "kernel"
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11:30 Calinou I'll just leave this here: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.​is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
11:30 Calinou some of the points of the article are right, some are wrong.
11:30 Calinou still, it's interesting if you're having an overly good day :)
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11:47 CalebDavis ok i am adding an entity and then attaching it to the player but is dissapears when i attach it but it reapears when i leave and re-join but it isnt attached anymore why is it dissapearing?
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13:13 Niebieski Calinou: The machine keeps on uploading without downloading media and it couldn't connect after all.
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15:14 MinetestBot [git] DS-Minetest -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Prevent wires from being rotated (#365) 1963d8b https://git.io/v5AA9 (2017-09-19T15:12:00Z)
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15:32 rdococ WOOF QUACK IM A CAT SWAN
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17:02 jas_ i'm just kidding about the tooltips having images
17:02 jas_ (i think)
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17:03 jas_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6442
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17:48 Calinou Niebieski: check your firewall status, I don't have issues here
17:49 Calinou if I delete my cache and join, it works
18:01 Niebieski Calinou: Why do you think that the firewall is causing a problem?
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18:01 Calinou Niebieski: Windows? :P
18:01 Niebieski No, Linux.
18:01 Calinou and even on Linux, some distros such as Fedora like enabling it by default
18:02 Niebieski but why would a firewall cause the machine to upload data.
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18:06 Calinou Niebieski: are you using a distribution-provided Minetest package? if so, try compiling 0.4.16 from source and see
18:06 Calinou (https://github.com/minetest/minetest, use the branch "stable-0.4")
18:06 Niebieski I use this branch.
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18:08 Niebieski Maybe it uploads the hash of my media to validate it? I don't know.
18:17 Calinou Niebieski: I don't think so
18:17 Calinou it's really strange, it doesn't happen on both my desktop and laptop (both run Windows, though)
18:17 Calinou but I'm pretty sure I've had Linux clients joining without issues
18:19 Niebieski I'll try again and maybe I'll send you some screenshots.
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18:56 Niebieski Calinou: Oddly enough it worked now.
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21:24 Wuzzy Announcing #minetest-mod-dev! A new channel dedicated only to Minetest mod development!
21:28 sy heh finally
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21:30 rubenwardy Wuzzy, nah
21:30 rubenwardy we had #minetest-mods
21:30 Wuzzy HAD
21:31 Wuzzy hey, give me a chance :)
21:31 sfan5 it's quiet enough here to use it for mod dev
21:31 rubenwardy sorry, didn't mean to be so dismissive
21:31 Wuzzy sometimes #minetest can get really busy
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22:01 sofar -hub is fine for mod dev stuff, too
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22:16 sofar Wuzzy: can you send me those typo screenshots?
22:16 Wuzzy I will post info in thread. Currently collecting info
22:16 sofar I'm a little bit peeved that you suggest that I underestimate good writing skills
22:17 sofar hint: that's an understatement
22:17 sofar so, you can make me forget about it by showing me ones that you have found
22:18 sofar I'll look at box 8 and the torch/gravel issue tonight, I'm still at work
22:19 sofar from what I remember, neither you nor me are native english speakers who take some pride in creating proper written english sentences...
22:19 sofar it pains me to see that that feeling isn't at least a bit mutual
22:20 sofar anyway, back to work
22:28 rdococ hi
22:40 sofar Wuzzy: I am envious of the amount of time you are capable of putting into MCl2
22:47 * sofar is trying to remember box 101, but can't
22:52 Wuzzy Yet Another Box.
22:53 Wuzzy how much time do you have for all things Minetest, sofar?
22:54 Wuzzy or is this question too private? :D
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23:11 sofar heh, sometimes 20 minutes a day
23:11 sofar I can lurk irc or browse the forums most of the day
23:11 sofar but, actual work, not so much
23:27 sofar if you "dig" with a "shovel" and "chop" with an "axe", then what do you do with a pickaxe?
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