Time  Nick          Message
01:14 jas_          where'd he go
01:14 jas_          !tell Fixer github.com/facedeer/minetest-caverealms
01:14 MinetestBot   jas_: yeah, sure, whatever
01:15 jas_          ^that bug was fixed
03:34 redblade7     i did a /clearobjects instead of a //clearobjects, 30 minutes later i'm still waiting to clean the griefer's missing pedestals
04:19 MinetestBot   02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Generate biomes: Recalculate biome at biome lower limit 13a1389c3 https://git.io/v55iO (152017-09-16T04:14:04Z)
04:32 paramat       ~tell deltasquared "a wish list thing in the engine would be to move the player's base camera position relative to their model" i'm about to work on that, 'eye offset' will become a settable player object property instead of hardcoded
04:32 ShadowBot     paramat: O.K.
04:46 thePalindrome Would I still be correct in assuming that biomes "don't exist" after mapgen?
04:50 thePalindrome Heh, not sure if I should just examine nearby nodes to determine the player's current biome, or if I should start mucking in the engine again XD
09:43 MinetestBot   Fixer: Sep-16 01:14 UTC <jas_> github.com/facedeer/minetest-caverealms
10:03 hisforever    Hi , I'd like to know o there is a mod for Colored Glass block? Like Lpanes.
10:08 Raven262      This? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4904
10:10 hisforever    thanks Eaven
10:47 deltasquared  oh cool, map saves are smaller than I expected... though it's not like I explored much on it.
14:12 Megaf         !server Megaf
14:12 MinetestBot   Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
14:12 Megaf         still alive :S
14:42 jas_          !tell hisforever more colored glass/panes here, if you want: https://gist.github.com/jastevenson303/22b0db01aa4d00c018cfe77b0a54be14
14:42 MinetestBot   jas_: yeah, yeah
14:42 jas_          lol
16:42 MinetestBot   02[git] 04DTA7 -> 03minetest/minetest: Correct tooltip_append_itemstring terminology (#6421) 1345e9f80 https://git.io/v5dsu (152017-09-16T16:42:17Z)
16:42 MinetestBot   02[git] 04hashcacher -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix addModsFormConfig typo (#6420) 1345a7dd1 https://git.io/v5dsz (152017-09-16T16:40:19Z)
17:15 deltasquared  is there a way to dynamically set the groups of a tool item at runtime?
17:15 deltasquared  it would not have to be saved, just kept in memory - maybe it could be set from metadata or something when the item stack is created.
17:15 deltasquared  the context for this is... hold on, looking it up
17:16 deltasquared  http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1287648-tinkers-construct (ad warning, because the other block game)
17:17 deltasquared  the point is that tools could potentially be arbitarily constructed from so many components that trying to register them all would be waaaay too impractical
17:19 deltasquared  hence, I'm wondering if when either a tool "comes into existence", either when an inventory is opened or the item is created, that the particular instance of the item could have groups overrides assigned to it
17:35 sfan5         deltasquared, nope not possible
17:37 deltasquared  sfan5: so there's nothing in the engine to tag individual item stacks with per-instance group data instead of looking it up from the item def
17:37 deltasquared  hmm.
17:38 sfan5         nope there isn't
17:39 sfan5         this would be a very good features so it has been requested repeatedly in several variations
17:40 thePalindrome That and the MetaNodeDef functions are pretty much what I'm really waiting for
17:41 deltasquared  sfan5: I don't really know how to phrase this succintly, so got any feature request links
17:42 thePalindrome That'd be the minetest github ;)
17:42 deltasquared  thePalindrome: yeah but searching can be a bitch and I don't know the right words to find related requests
17:42 thePalindrome You can search for the Feature Request label
17:43 thePalindrome https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Feature+request%22
17:43 sfan5         meta set_nodedef is a variation of this
17:43 sfan5         tho it's for nodes not items
17:45 deltasquared  as far as I could think, the easiest way to implement this would be to alter the structure which represents a given unique item stack in the core engine - have it have extra fields to handle the group data, populate these fields from the item def unless such a hook was used, and change code which looks up groups to do so directly from the item stack's unique group data
17:45 deltasquared  so something like a struct tool_groups in the item stack instance itself
17:46 deltasquared  I'm reluctant to go diving into the C++ of the core engine right now... university is due to start again in a week's time, so I'd rather not get caught up in such a thing.
17:47 thePalindrome Yeah, even adding on_secondary_use took a bit of digging, and tbh that was rather simple
17:47 deltasquared  sfan5: that said, if I knew I had time to spare I would certainly look into implementing this myself - there are sure to be caveats but it seems relatively simple to implement the extra data. it's just all the call sites using the existing item groups mechanism
17:48 deltasquared  thePalindrome: refactoring is almost certainly going to be required. I would probably do so by implementing helpers of sorts, something like "get the groups for this item stack", and changing callers to use that while preserving the existing semantics
17:49 deltasquared  hopefully, something inlineable so it doesn't hurt perf too bad.
17:49 deltasquared  and there will likely be *so many callers*... ugh, that will be a fun changeset
17:50 deltasquared  needless to say, that's a project for when I have more spare time available.
17:50 thePalindrome I do know that adding the set metanodedef will cause a lot more memory usage, unless you had CoW on them
17:50 thePalindrome CoW is magic, trust me ;)
17:51 habeangur     mooo
17:52 Fixer         jas_: i've created an issue here about caverealms plants in air, post additional details if you have https://github.com/HeroOfTheWinds/minetest-caverealms/issues/14
17:52 deltasquared  I wanted to make a joke about turning you into beef then but that's a tad dark :P
17:52 jas_          he already fixed it?
17:52 deltasquared  thePalindrome: about this metanodedef thing... got anything discussing it more?
17:52 jas_          Fixer: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=293386#p293386
17:53 rubenwardy    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/36
17:53 rubenwardy    deltasquared ^
17:53 Fixer         jas_: i don't see any fixes here https://github.com/HeroOfTheWinds/minetest-caverealms/commits/master
17:53 jas_          actually, i did find some new caverealms, and their decorations were correctly on the ground.
17:53 rubenwardy    oh, deltasquared, there's a PR: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5612
17:53 Fixer         jas_: you are using a fork, this report is for original
17:53 rubenwardy    !title
17:53 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: Allow overriding tool capabilities through itemstack metadata by raymoo · Pull Request #5612 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
17:53 jas_          the original does v7?
17:53 Fixer         jas_: no idea
17:53 jas_          no i think not
17:54 thePalindrome https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5919
17:54 Fixer         hmmhm
17:55 deltasquared  rubenwardy: ooh this does look interesting
17:56 Fixer         jas_: i need to check this
17:56 deltasquared  "until a core dev shows interest" ok, guess we'll have to wait. dev time is valuable etc.
17:57 deltasquared  I shall certainly keep an eye on it though.
17:58 Fixer         jas_: it does work in v7
18:02 Fixer         jas_: it should work on any mapgen it seems
18:03 Fixer         jas_: also, i'm checking it right now on v7 and plants seem fine
18:03 deltasquared  ooh eck, partition resizing. wish me luck
18:04 Fixer         do backup first
18:21 numzero       anyone wanna test #6412?
18:22 numzero       !title
18:22 MinetestBot   numzero: [WIP] Meta-set nodedef: Part 4 by Thomas--S · Pull Request #5919 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
18:22 numzero       er...
18:22 numzero       #6412 Load textures from the subfolders in texturepacks
18:23 thePalindrome iirc MinetestBot needs the full url for that to work
18:23 jordan4ibanez Is there documentation for client side modding?
18:23 thePalindrome https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/client_lua_api.md
18:28 rubenwardy    jordan4ibanez, client_lua_api.txt
18:28 rubenwardy    oh
18:28 rubenwardy    too slow
18:28 rubenwardy    by 5 minutes
18:28 rubenwardy    :/
18:29 jordan4ibanez Hmm, I could make some crazy mods with this!
18:39 jordan4ibanez It seems that minetest.settings("test.conf") or Settings("test.conf") does not work?
18:42 Krock         jordan4ibanez, specify the absolute path
18:42 Krock         i.e. use get_modpath
18:43 Krock         Settings(blabla) works
19:02 jordan4ibanez Thanks
19:10 jordan4ibanez Is it not yet possible to load textures?
19:20 sfan5         not possible indeed
20:41 jordan4ibanez Also also, can I put text on the gui without having to open a formspec?
20:41 MinetestBot   02[git] 04tenplus1 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix Rotate Node Placement (#6424) 135b6d448 https://git.io/v5d08 (152017-09-16T20:39:38Z)
20:43 Krock         uhmm.. hud elements, for example?
20:45 jordan4ibanez Yeah, say I wanted it to say "Hi" on the top right corner all the time
20:45 Krock         then are hud elements what you're looking for
20:46 Krock         because chat messages can't be fixed/sticked
20:46 Krock         and formspecs block your movement keys
20:49 jordan4ibanez Damn
20:50 jordan4ibanez Well I'll figure it out eventually
20:50 jordan4ibanez Can it be done client side?
20:53 Krock         yes, but that'll require a recent in-development client
20:54 sfan5         he left
20:55 Krock         there are logs for some reason
20:57 sfan5         i guess
21:30 Errante       Hello guys. I would like to keep players informed about their balances. But Im in doubt between HUD and, maybe, modifying inventory formspec?
21:33 Krock         CLI. Add chat commands.
21:37 Errante       truth
21:43 Errante       somehow players are being granted all privs after rebooting the server
21:49 Errante       Its only granted for the first player who logs after reboot
21:50 paramat       thePalindrome you can only access the biomemap in an 'on generated' function running immediately after mapchunk generation, but i will be adding a 'get biome at pos' soon that can be used anytime
21:52 Niebieski     Hello, I'm experiencing 'unsmooth' rendering while moving in MT. After I updated Mesa, I'm on Archlinux.
21:52 thePalindrome paramat: as soon as that's done, I can finish my ambience mod, since most of the tracks are meant to be used with biomes
21:53 paramat       ok i'll plan to do it soon then, many need it
21:53 thePalindrome My friend's been bugging me to finish it, he's super proud of the tracks he wrote
21:57 sfan5         Niebieski, press f5 twice and look at the graphs
21:57 sfan5         any irregularities?
22:01 Niebieski     I don't know but it's working fine now.
22:01 Niebieski     but it wasn't an FPS issue.
22:01 sfan5         good i guess
22:02 sfan5         jittery fps?
22:02 Niebieski     Yes.
22:02 Niebieski     Specially while moving.
22:06 Niebieski     Someone is spying on me? xD