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00:01 octacian heh, lost internet for a while
00:02 octacian red-001: People being bad at updating software is no excuse for all this worry about backwards compatibility
00:03 octacian If it weren't for the backwards compatibility issues, I think we could progress much faster
00:03 AntumDeluge soupfly, I've tried removing "flammable" from groups. It doesn't work.
00:04 AntumDeluge I think "flammable" just means that it can catch on fire & burn away like other nodes, not sure though.
00:04 octacian Terasology is becoming so tempting...
00:14 soupfly AntumDeluge, I'm still new to lua and no expert at all. I hope a solution to your problem comes
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00:15 AntumDeluge Thank you soupfly, I appreciate your effort to help. I am not experienced in Lua either.
00:19 soupfly Is the forums down?
00:21 AntumDeluge Are you having trouble accessing them soupfly?
00:23 bigfoot547 Well, I tried pinging it: 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7008ms
00:23 AntumDeluge It seems I can't access them either.
00:23 AntumDeluge I got a "504 Gateway Time-out".
00:24 soupfly same here
00:25 bigfoot547 Me too
00:25 octacian What's the problem BTW?
00:26 bigfoot547 Go to forum.minetest.net
00:26 soupfly the forum is giving me a 504 gateway error
00:26 bigfoot547 Gateway timeout to be exact
00:27 octacian I thought there was some lua problem that I missed?
00:27 * octacian guesses DDoS attack
00:28 bigfoot547 Why would someone ddos minetest forums???
00:28 octacian It's not the first time it's happened.
00:29 soupfly i've been having to view the google cache
00:29 octacian Wasn't someone having a Lua problem though?
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00:30 AntumDeluge I asked about disabling damage from torches, but I don't know if that is what you are talking about.
00:30 soupfly oh AntumDeluge says there was an issue with torches causing damage
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00:32 ratmix looks like the forum is down
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00:34 ratmix it shows 504 nginx timeout
00:36 kaeza known
00:37 kaeza rdococ!
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00:41 Devy Are the forums down for anyone else?
00:41 AntumDeluge Yep.
00:42 Devy Ok. Thanks.
00:42 AntumDeluge They are for me & a few others at least anyway.
00:42 soupfly it is still down
00:42 Devy Anyone know what happened? Is it scheduled to be down?
00:43 AntumDeluge I haven't heard anything about it being scheduled. But I haven't been paying too much attention on here.
00:51 ratmix wiki.minetest.net is down too but servers.minetest.net and minetest.net work
00:52 bigfoot547 minetest.net is hosted by Github, not Perttu.
00:52 AntumDeluge I was just able to connect to forums.
00:52 ratmix me too. just fixed i guess
00:53 AntumDeluge Yep, it's working for me now.
00:56 ratmix very slow though
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02:03 GreenDimond So...um... why is the forum down?
02:03 bigfoot547 GreenDimond: Again?
02:04 GreenDimond Must be.
02:04 GreenDimond 504 Gateway Time-out
02:04 GreenDimond Occasionaly I can connect VERY slowly...
02:05 bigfoot547 I pinged it: 15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0% packet loss, time 14020ms
02:05 bigfoot547 It is up, apparently.
02:05 GreenDimond same///
02:05 GreenDimond *...
02:05 GreenDimond but
02:06 GreenDimond it wont load any of the sections for me
02:06 GreenDimond *restarts Firefox*
02:07 bigfoot547 Ah... I can get in, just slowly
02:07 GreenDimond still doesnt work
02:07 GreenDimond eyyy got into servers
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02:07 GreenDimond It seems to work smoothly now...
02:07 GreenDimond maybe the host is in the middle of a storm so the connection is flaky i dunno :P
02:08 bigfoot547 Maybe, ask celeron.
02:08 GreenDimond Does he host it?
02:09 bigfoot547 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=18&t=12611&p=269780
02:09 GreenDimond I wont bother :/
02:09 bigfoot547 *https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=18&t=12611
02:09 GreenDimond seems to work OK now
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11:23 Wuzzy Minetest will be soon released, please help translating Minetest! https://hosted.weblate.org/​projects/minetest/minetest/
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13:04 Calinou Wuzzy: looking at French right now
13:04 Calinou so many setting names/descriptions to translate :|
13:05 Raven262 I tried translating mt to Serbian once.
13:05 Raven262 I think i got 45 percent translated at once.
13:05 Raven262 And also got bored
13:05 Jordach Raven262, but does it remove kebab
13:05 Calinou French is 92% right now
13:05 Raven262 Not until it is fully translated! xD
13:07 Raven262 Also, there are some things that can not be translated to other languages, mostly technical names.
13:07 Raven262 So i left them as they are.
13:08 Calinou wise decision
13:08 Raven262 I'm still waiting for someone to start translating to Croatian, cause they have the annoying tendency to "translate" those things.
13:08 Calinou if you don't know how to translate it in an understandable manner, don't translate it
13:08 Calinou nonsense translations suck :(
13:09 Raven262 Yes, that is what i'm saying
13:09 Calinou Raven262: yeah, some people will try translating them regardless
13:09 Calinou all your technical setting are belong to us...
13:09 Raven262 Croatians do that to all of their translations.
13:09 Raven262 We laugh at their translations sometimes
13:10 Calinou French is usually not too bad (after all, it is, AFAIK, the most translated-to language)
13:10 Calinou but sometimes it can be, I saw a few "funny" translations in KDE here and there
13:10 Calinou I've not seen translation griefings in a big while though
13:10 Calinou (Minecraft used to have these on a regular basis, back when translations were open)
13:10 Raven262 Somebody is "translation griefing?"
13:10 Calinou yeah
13:10 Calinou putting offensive/nonsense things
13:11 Raven262 Well, that is just evil.
13:11 Calinou Mojang had to pull a snapshot due to that
13:11 Calinou (I downloaded that particular one, back in the day :P)
13:11 Raven262 I wonder how many people are actually translating minetest.
13:12 Raven262 Since Serbian is only translated to by me and lisac
13:13 Raven262 Well, my progress on serbian seems to be 29 percent.
13:13 Raven262 huh i remmeber getting to 45
13:13 Raven262 *remember
13:13 Raven262 odd
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13:15 CalebDavis ok i need to know how to get a craft to output multiple items
13:15 CalebDavis minetest.register_craft({
13:15 CalebDavis output = 'exoticores:lonsdaleite_dust 9',
13:15 CalebDavis recipe = {
13:15 CalebDavis 'exoticores:lonsdaleite_compressed_dust'
13:15 CalebDavis }
13:15 CalebDavis })
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13:16 CalebDavis tthat is the cod i have but it produces and error
13:16 CalebDavis code^
13:16 Raven262 error being?
13:17 calcul0n maybe it lacks type = "shapeless" ?
13:17 calcul0n i think it's shaped by defaut
13:17 CalebDavis ok ill try that
13:18 CalebDavis the error is invalid crafting recipe
13:19 Calinou I think the recipe should be an array of arrays?
13:19 Calinou it should be a simple array only if it's shapeless
13:19 Calinou but a recipe with only 1 ingredient doesn't need to be set to shapeless
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13:21 CalebDavis i just found that i forgot the brackets around the recipe ingredient
13:21 CalebDavis thx
13:21 CalebDavis it works :)
13:28 Wuzzy @Raven262: what do you mean with “technical names”?
13:28 Raven262 example: anisotropic filtering
13:29 Raven262 or antialising
13:29 Raven262 can't translate those
13:29 Wuzzy well it really just depends on the language
13:29 Raven262 I can forge a new word for it.
13:29 Wuzzy check your dictionary or wikipedia
13:29 Raven262 It is quite simple in serbian
13:29 Raven262 But i avoid that since no one would understand what it means
13:29 Wuzzy if you find nothing in either, just use the standard loan word practise in your language
13:30 Wuzzy however it may work...
13:30 Raven262 Ah, wikipedia will just leave it in english
13:30 Raven262 I'll leave those things in english
13:30 Wuzzy its your language :D
13:30 Raven262 Since it will be easier to understand
13:30 Raven262 :D
13:31 Wuzzy well, technically it is still a translation
13:31 * Raven262 hopes people understand this translation.
13:31 Raven262 *will understand
13:31 Raven262 Also
13:31 Raven262 I see that some of these words are out of context sometimes
13:31 Wuzzy Oh right...
13:31 Raven262 And that makes a bit of a problem
13:31 Wuzzy I have to totally open an issue for this
13:32 Wuzzy Gettext supports comments for translators
13:32 Wuzzy but not a single string has comments >_>
13:32 Raven262 xD
13:32 red-001 and suddenly we had over 9000 open issues
13:32 Wuzzy Raven262: please list the bad strings
13:32 Raven262 bad strings?
13:32 red-001 well you do have some context
13:33 Wuzzy or leave a comment in Weblate (don't forget to set to "comment for original string"
13:33 red-001 it tells you where the string is from
13:33 Wuzzy red-001: Minetest does not use any of this arcane wizardry
13:33 Wuzzy context is for chumps
13:34 Raven262 I will try to translate this as good as i can, but some things might yet sound silly.
13:35 red-001 anyway you would need someone to write a better script for generating weblate files
13:35 red-001 maybe include nearby comments as gettext comments
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13:40 Raven262 Can someone tell me what is "Base terrain height"
13:41 Raven262 I have trouble translating this, since it is out of context
13:41 Raven262 Could be both height of the terrain, and some variable used in map generation
13:43 Calinou we have our share of newly-made words for computing things in French
13:43 Calinou like "infonuagique" for "cloud computing"
13:43 red-001 oh lol gettext didn't support unicode for a time because it didn't work well in Emacs
13:43 Calinou French admnistrations are supposed to use them, too
13:43 Calinou (they rarely do, though)
13:44 red-001 don't you have like a centrally authority for making up new words?
13:44 Raven262 I'm forging new words here
13:45 Raven262 Thios is not even allowed in our grammar
13:45 Raven262 *this
13:45 Raven262 Well some of it
13:45 Raven262 We do have high amount of assimilated words
13:45 Raven262 So it is not that hard for some of these to be "Serbified"
13:45 Calinou red-001: we do
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13:46 Raven262 Still, i think we Serbs have the best curses in the region, considering the high potential to make them
13:47 Raven262 Our language is so good for curses
13:47 Raven262 I could make a curse out of anything, guess thats useful
13:47 red-001 well thats useful
13:48 Calinou did your country invent ncurses then? ;)
13:48 Raven262 xD
13:48 IhrFussel German is actually *the* best language for making up words since you can combine any X nouns into a new noun
13:48 Raven262 Yes, and then you get those long words
13:48 red-001 so newcursecompondcursewords
13:48 Raven262 Does Germany hold the world record for longest word?
13:48 red-001 and minetestbugtesting
13:50 Raven262 Bumpmapping? Well, i guess we don't have a word for that yet.
13:50 red-001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweebuf​felsmeteenskootmorsdoodgeskietfontein
13:51 Raven262 well, they could invent anything, right?
13:51 Raven262 Omg i translated this
13:51 IhrFussel The longest German word was an actual law name "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwac​hungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz"
13:52 IhrFussel But it's been removed in 2013
13:52 ThomasMonroe wow
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13:52 Raven262 Yea, guess other people had problems reading it
13:52 ThomasMonroe more than likely were mispelling it
13:53 red-001 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKn9kShqatc
13:58 MinetestBot [git] juhdanad -> minetest/minetest: Document hardware coloring and soft node overlays (#5876) 30c51a1 https://git.io/vHzCO (2017-06-02T13:57:59Z)
13:58 CWz what is this Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwac​hungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz?
13:59 Raven262 Someone really had to make a difference between a "cave" and a "cavern"?
13:59 ThomasMonroe or a problem about the way you sneezed
14:00 DS-minetest cowmeatlabelstalkmissiontransvernet
14:00 ThomasMonroe lol
14:00 DS-minetest (very bad translated)
14:00 Raven262 Ok, guys stop hitting your keyboards with your head
14:00 ThomasMonroe the longest word in the English language is the other word for Tritan
14:01 DS-minetest lol
14:01 ThomasMonroe a whoppin 136000 letters long
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14:01 ThomasMonroe Titan, not Tritan
14:01 Raven262 Well now, that maybe makes more sense
14:02 Raven262 And that word is?
14:02 ThomasMonroe Titan is oe of the largest protiens that our body makes
14:02 ThomasMonroe one*
14:02 ThomasMonroe thus the long chemical name
14:02 Raven262 Any protein's name can be read that way.
14:03 Raven262 And i doubt it is longer than specific DNA's chemical name
14:03 ThomasMonroe touche
14:03 Raven262 Any DNA's name
14:03 ThomasMonroe but all DNA is different
14:03 Raven262 Indeed.
14:03 ThomasMonroe so they cant be considered true words
14:03 ThomasMonroe Titan stays the same
14:04 Raven262 heh
14:04 Raven262 How about polymer names?
14:04 ThomasMonroe shorter
14:04 Raven262 Any polymer would have long name since it is repeating
14:04 ThomasMonroe by about 30000 letters
14:04 Raven262 Nah
14:04 Raven262 Polymers could get longer
14:05 ThomasMonroe true
14:05 ThomasMonroe but again are they a set length?
14:05 Raven262 Nope
14:05 Raven262 :P
14:06 Raven262 I guess that longest protein will then get the longest word.
14:06 ThomasMonroe :P
14:06 Raven262 But what is a protein if not also a polymer?
14:06 Raven262 It is a chain of amino acids
14:06 ThomasMonroe that is set in length
14:07 ThomasMonroe change one amino acid and you destroy the cell
14:07 ThomasMonroe er protien
14:07 ThomasMonroe not cell
14:07 Raven262 I doubt one couldn't make a polymer protein that has the stability to be infinitely long
14:08 Raven262 or to make an infinitely long chain that is
14:08 Raven262 *A protein, as it is considered a polymer already
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14:09 ThomasMonroe true
14:16 red-001 well it's not really english
14:17 DS-minetest +
14:17 ThomasMonroe touche
14:18 DS-minetest afait iupac is international and mostly consists of greek words and co.
14:21 rom1504 do you even
14:22 ^7heo depends.
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14:34 DS-minetest hm
14:34 * DS-minetest is stupid
14:34 * DS-minetest is making a mod client- and server-side but where will he put it on forums?! >_<
14:35 red-001 ?
14:35 DS-minetest to wip mods or csm
14:35 red-001 both!
14:35 red-001 well I suppose it depends
14:36 red-001 tell us more!
14:36 DS-minetest it's a mod that adds events for when the pressed keys of player change
14:37 DS-minetest i think, posting it to both is no bad idea
14:37 red-001 huh and you got the same code to work both client and server-side?
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14:37 DS-minetest eh, i check if minetest.set_node is nil
14:38 DS-minetest so, i change the code a little bit
14:38 red-001 you could check INIT
14:38 red-001 it's "client" on the client iirc
14:38 red-001 and "game" on the server
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14:39 DS-minetest ah, ok
14:40 red-001 it's a gobal that builtin uses but all mods can access it
14:40 red-001 global*
14:41 DS-minetest thank
14:41 DS-minetest +s*
14:42 rom1504 you could do a mod forum and post it there !
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15:01 stormchaser3000 did anyone notice the "F*** Minetest" (without any censoring) server? because i noticed a server with that name on the server list a few minutes ago
15:02 Raven262 well there is nothing to do about it.
15:03 Raven262 Except
15:03 Raven262 *Evil laugh starts*
15:03 Raven262 DDOS!
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15:03 Raven262 *Evil laugh ends*
15:03 stormchaser3000 O_o
15:03 Raven262 Not that anyone here would do it
15:04 Raven262 Not me anyway
15:04 kaeza greetings
15:04 Raven262 Hello kaeza
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15:13 dusko hi there
15:13 dusko i need help
15:13 dusko anyone help me pls?
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15:16 sfan5 just ask and someone might be there to answer
15:17 dusko i have newest minetest in linux mint rosa and i have installed modes from software manager but when i try to add new modes then it fails to run
15:17 MinetestBot [git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Remove “inf” argument from shutdown command help (#5880) 80fe516 https://git.io/vHzVG (2017-06-02T15:16:30Z)
15:19 kaeza dusko, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
15:20 calcul0n it's better to install the latest mods versions manually i think
15:20 calcul0n same for minetest itself, as packaged games are rarely up to date
15:22 * DS-minetest created the repo: https://github.com/DS-Minetest/keyevent
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15:27 kaeza DS-minetest, emojis in commit messages? :sad:
15:28 DS-minetest kaeza: is it problematic?
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15:28 kaeza no, just ugly
15:28 * DS-minetest dosn't think so
15:29 DS-minetest it brings more colour in
15:29 kaeza a puppy dies everytime an emoji appears in a commit message
15:29 kaeza stop killing puppies
15:29 DS-minetest lol
15:29 kaeza well, except for that candy dog sort of thing
15:30 kaeza he can go straight to hell
15:30 DS-minetest yeah, i dont use it always, just on initial ones and in PR commits, that arent visible later
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15:34 Wuzzy hi
15:34 Wuzzy does anyone in here know a 16×16 Minecraft texture pack which also happens to be under a libre license?
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15:42 red-001 Wuzzy, maybe ask in #minecraft ?
15:43 Wuzzy oh, i didnt know they have a channel in freenode
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16:06 IhrFussel @ MT devs: Why did you code the day-night transition so ugly? It would look wayy better if you included a few more colors in between...right now it just suddenly jumps to another sky color...is it resource heavy to have more colors for the sky?
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16:09 red-001 I guess someone would have to code it
16:10 IhrFussel red-001, wouldn't it be just a few more lines for color definitions?
16:10 IhrFussel And maybe a few more to define what color happens at which time
16:11 red-001 I honestly don't know
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16:25 IhrFussel I'll check it
16:27 Calinou day-night transition looks fine to me
16:27 Calinou (testing with time_speed 500)
16:27 Calinou it is a tad abrupt in the beginning of sunset, though
16:27 IhrFussel IMO the colors are too different
16:27 IhrFussel They should change more smoothly
16:28 Calinou ah, the problem also occurs at the beginning of sunrise
16:30 Raven262 Maybe you should consider a different approach.
16:30 Raven262 Talking about skyboxes/skydomes here
16:33 Calinou we already use a skybox, it's just procedural
16:33 Calinou it's not a texture, that 'sall
16:33 Calinou textured skyboxes rarely look good for day-night cycles
16:33 Calinou Minecraft also uses a procedural skybox
16:34 Raven262 So the sky is already a skybox? i didn't know that
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16:40 IhrFussel The c++ sky code looks EXTREMELY complicated...it seems to only contain a few base colors and then changes based on "color_change_fraction" ?
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17:04 MinetestBot [git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Various edits and Markdown syntax improvements 1b83b0a https://git.io/vHz7t (2017-06-02T17:01:12Z)
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17:07 Inocudom Eiion_ceo talked about Minetest today: https://youtu.be/QlrG6hq-jLg
17:08 Inocudom Please, discuss. Speak of where you agree and disagree with him.
17:10 red-001 who is this?
17:11 red-001 a doom modder?
17:11 Inocudom I made a topic about him in the Minetest forums: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=56&amp;t=17749
17:13 Inocudom He is modding GZDoom in an attempt to make it truly multi core. However, he now has in interest in Minetest, because I told him about it.
17:14 CalebDavis i am trying to make a small mod that lets you make infinite lava sources but it just doesnt do anything so here's the code can someone let me know where i went wrong https://pastebin.com/VY3wFW17
17:15 Inocudom Since he might be able to assist Minetest in the future, I now have an actual, real reason to talk about his activities here.
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17:20 Alcyone2 Hi everyone !
17:21 Alcyone2 Trying to set up an educational minetest server on a Debian, I have some issue. I explain
17:21 CWz already did renewable lava
17:21 Alcyone2 Everything installed, the server works. I can be connected on local network
17:21 red-001 Inocudom, I think access to the hard drive is a known bottlenet
17:22 Alcyone2 but outside, connection time out. The port is open, netstat -laputn seems to confirm it
17:22 Inocudom Very true, red-001. HHD drives are slower than SSD drives.
17:22 Alcyone2 but I'm still unable to reach the server from outside the local network
17:23 Alcyone2 I did the same with a server on a RPI and it works perfectly
17:23 Alcyone2 I wonder if something is missing
17:23 Alcyone2 does anyone has an idea ?
17:23 red-001 no sorry
17:24 red-001 if you are correctly forwarding UDP traffic then this shouldn't happen
17:24 Inocudom You are using Minetest in your school, Alcyone2? I find that to be good news, because it shows that Minetest is still going strong, even after all these years.
17:25 Alcyone2 Thank you anyway red-001
17:26 red-001 maybe ask on a channel about computer networking
17:26 Alcyone2 Inocudom, not exactly, I'm a member of an hackerspace :) but some member are working with kids and already using Mintest
17:27 Inocudom Well, just don't use that knowledge for any nefarious purposes, because there are those that do.
17:27 Alcyone2 It was my idea to create an educational server to improve Minetest notoriety on one hand and trying to create a good base of educational project on the other hand
17:28 Alcyone2 hum, Inocudom you may confuse hacker and cracker
17:29 Alcyone2 only cracker use their knowledge on nefarious purposes
17:29 red-001 ##networking maybe?
17:29 Alcyone2 So, here the goal is mainly educational (and having fun)
17:29 Alcyone2 I will try red-001 thanks :)
17:30 Inocudom The Minetest community should be happy to know that users such as yourself are using Minetest for constructive purposes.
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17:31 Alcyone2 I didn't set up the Debian, I will first find who did it
17:31 Inocudom And yes, cracker is a good term for computer users that are causing chaos, as is seen these days.
17:31 red-001 Out`Of`Control, have you managed to solve the issue with the cheater that had a VPN?
17:32 Alcyone2 There are some, check on the forum, I think several teachers (mainly in USA) tells us what they do and share everything they do Inocudom  :)
17:32 Alcyone2 I'm french by the way
17:32 Alcyone2 there are some idea and try
17:33 Alcyone2 the most famous is principaly through an association called Framasoft (you can find there server in the server list). They try to make Minetest discovered by teacher as an educational game
17:33 Inocudom Well, welcome to Minetest's community. You know, Redcrab was from France as well, but he is not in this community anymore.
17:35 Alcyone2 Thanks Inocudom :) I'm already here for few months. I also discussed with Calinou, french too (or french speaking, dunno) who help me first with my RPI to test a server for this project
17:35 Alcyone2 helped*
17:36 Inocudom He had a good server too, but it has not been updated for quite some time, though OldCoder made a more updated server to host its map.
17:37 red-001 is redcarbs server still active?
17:37 Inocudom Minetest does have a fork known as Freeminer, but that fork's development is on shaky ground these days, it seems.
17:38 red-001 read- mostly dead
17:38 Alcyone2 Does redcarbs works on Freeminer in fact ?
17:38 CalebDavis CWz sry i wasnt looking how did you do renewable lava?
17:38 red-001 well there are a bunch of forks
17:38 Inocudom Redcrabs server probably still exists, but modern clients can't connect to it. Instead, they would do well to try to go to OldCoder's version of it.
17:38 red-001 most of them trival and not worth the time to check out
17:39 red-001 voxeland and freeminer are the majour ones
17:39 red-001 A map isn't much good if it lacks the community
17:40 Inocudom Well, it was the community that was the heart and soul of the map.
17:40 Inocudom And its builders too.
17:41 red-001 does redcrab not have the time to update?
17:41 red-001 or did they move on to another project altogether?
17:42 Inocudom That does seem to be the case, red-001.
17:42 Calinou Alcyone2: I'm French, yes, and also French-speaking :)
17:42 Inocudom After a while, Redcrab just didn't have time to update the server anymore.
17:44 Out`Of`Control red-001: yes, bannem them with xban
17:45 Out`Of`Control banned*
17:45 Out`Of`Control and with help of iptables
17:46 Alcyone2 Calinou, wasn't sure ;) thank you again for your help (even if I didn't succeed yet with systemd deamon)
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17:47 Calinou Alcyone2: I made systemd services for Minetest and other games, it's easy
17:47 Calinou for automatic restart, start-on-boot…
17:47 Calinou and easier management in general
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17:48 Alcyone2 Calinou, I completly failed with that on my RPI
17:48 Alcyone2 but I will try if it works on the Debian of my hackerspace
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17:49 bashboi I know this is not the right place to ask, sorry; but is this bash statment condition right: [$player != "stop"] ?
17:49 bashboi where player is a variable
17:50 IhrFussel bashboi, space between [ and $player also between " and ]
17:50 basxto [ is a command
17:50 IhrFussel Bash cares a lot about spaces
17:51 bashboi oh didn't know that
17:51 bashboi but i still get error
17:51 IhrFussel bashboi, [ ] is a condition a command uses $()
17:51 IhrFussel oops meant basxto
17:52 IhrFussel bashboi, try if [[ $player != "stop ]]; then
17:52 IhrFussel "stop"*
17:54 bashboi thanks
17:54 basxto IhrFussel: if is followed by a program, that have to return 0 or 1 … you could also write “if test 1 -eq 1; then echo 1; else echo 2; fi”
17:54 bashboi now it works
17:55 IhrFussel basxto, people generally refer to it as "condition" since other languages don't have a test command
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17:56 basxto oh, there is also a built-in test command
17:57 IhrFussel "test" just sounds stupid
17:57 IhrFussel "Oh I'm testing this test command"
17:58 bashboi testception
17:58 basxto it’s a good name for a program … but shells also seem to implement it themself
17:58 basxto GNU coreutils contains test and it’s alias [
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17:59 IhrFussel I read on StackOverflow you should rather use [[ ]] instead
17:59 IhrFussel IF your script doesn't need to be portable*
18:05 IhrFussel AFAIK [[ ]] isn't slower and adds many benefits to the statements (if Bash only is required)
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18:10 ThomasMonroe how do you change the gravity on armor?
18:11 CalebDavis physics_gravity=-<diference>
18:12 ThomasMonroe what is a good value to start it out with?
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18:13 CalebDavis unobtanium has it at -0.15
18:14 ThomasMonroe O.O
18:14 CalebDavis and physics_speed=multiplier
18:14 ThomasMonroe ok
18:14 ThomasMonroe ok
18:14 ThomasMonroe oops
18:15 CalebDavis where it will run default_speed+default_speed*multiplier
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18:17 Calinou Alcyone2: I use Ubuntu 16.04 on my VPS here, Debian 8 should be similar enough
18:18 Alcyone2 Calinou, I think so. I use minetestserver backport installation on Debian
18:18 Alcyone2 there is already a deamon in fac
18:18 Alcyone2 fact
18:18 Alcyone2 I found yesterday this : https://framacloud.org/cultiver-so​n-jardin/installation-de-minetest/
18:19 Alcyone2 They advice to disable the one installed and create a new one
18:20 Calinou build from source :P
18:20 Calinou (might not be easy on ARM, though)
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18:20 ThomasMonroe caleb waht does the physics_jump do?
18:21 CalebDavis changes the jump strength the same way speed is changed
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18:22 zorman2000 Hi all
18:23 zorman2000 I'm having issues with entities...
18:23 zorman2000 Currently spawning an entity and trying to save a variable to the Lua Entity as soon as it is spawned
18:24 zorman2000 Something like: ent:get_luaentity().owner_name = user:get_player_name()
18:24 zorman2000 This works at first
18:24 zorman2000 But if I quit the game, and log in back, owner_name variable is gone
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18:26 zorman2000 Any ideas?
18:27 CalebDavis no sry i have never worked with entities
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18:28 ThomasMonroe save the owner_name in the players file?
18:30 zorman2000 But the entities wouldn't know it
18:30 zorman2000 Plus I have worked with entities before and I think they do save variables... hmmm
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18:35 zorman2000 Thanks anyways!
18:35 ThomasMonroe np, sorry we couldnt help
18:35 zorman2000 No worries, I think I have a lead now... thanks
18:35 zorman2000 See you all!
18:36 ThomasMonroe cya
18:46 IhrFussel No wonder owner_name var is empty after RESTART ... Lua doesn't remember vars
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19:06 Inocudom It looks like a few new keybindings are possible in Minetest now. Previously, certain keys could not be used.
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19:36 Inocudom Err... I hope that the Minetest community will be accepting of Eiion_ceo. There is no need for another starblessed incident. I hope people have matured beyond that.
19:37 red-001 starblessed?
19:38 Inocudom A few years ago, he tried to help out Minetest too, but was rejected. A few other people have had similar experiences.
19:38 ThomasMonroe like OC?
19:39 red-001 well did he troll?
19:39 Inocudom I am not familiar with the name OC, unless you mean OldCoder?
19:39 red-001 yes
19:39 red-001 at least I did
19:40 Inocudom As far as I know, starblessed was not trolling.
19:40 red-001 oh ok
19:40 red-001 so what happened?
19:41 Inocudom OldCoder's servers are still up, by the way. It's just that ShadowNinja's old server (which OldCoder maintains now) crashes due to an internal error.
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19:41 red-001 :( he wiped all his posts
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19:42 Inocudom Well, starblessed wanted to host some servers where people could upload stuff for Minetest, apparently.
19:43 red-001 I wish people didn't do that when they quit
19:43 Inocudom Me too. VanessaE addressed that issue recently, as well.
19:44 red-001 it just makes it so much more annoying in the future
19:55 red-001 oh I found it http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2013-07-20
19:58 red-001 oh great it was over nginx vs Apache
19:58 red-001 well that's petty
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20:05 ThomasMonroe hey swift110
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20:15 red-001 wb?
20:16 bigfoot547 Sorry, I wanted to test the auto-join feature in hexchat; :)
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20:24 Inocudom Bye.
20:29 Fixer *,...,*
20:29 bigfoot547 ?
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21:04 pie3 hi
21:04 pie3 what is minetest
21:04 bigfoot547 Minetest is an OpenGL voxel game.
21:04 bigfoot547 Sandbox voxel game.
21:04 Fixer engine* that also contains basic game*
21:04 Fixer moddable
21:05 bigfoot547 What he said.
21:05 bigfoot547 Check out minetest.net
21:06 GNU[BDC] 0.4.16 is out?
21:06 bigfoot547 Nope, not yet.
21:06 pie3 i came to know about minetest since minecraft is not free
21:06 pie3 i asked free equivalent game
21:06 pie3 is this true?
21:07 GNU[BDC] what?
21:07 pie3 minetest is minecraft equivalent?
21:07 bigfoot547 It follows the same idea structure...
21:07 bigfoot547 Same concept...
21:07 pie3 how to install on  linux?
21:07 GNU[BDC] pie3:  minetest is great. Never played minecraft so i can't compare
21:07 bigfoot547 dev.minetest.net/Compiling_minetest
21:07 pie3 which are other games like minetest & minecraft?
21:08 bigfoot547 dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest*
21:08 bigfoot547 dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:08 GNU[BDC] ?
21:08 GNU[BDC] pie3:  did you try minetest?
21:08 bigfoot547 Ah. Yes! I got the URL correct!
21:08 pie3 not yet GNU[BDC]
21:09 GNU[BDC] try it out
21:09 pie3 how to install on linux?
21:09 bigfoot547 dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:09 GNU[BDC] there are many public servers
21:09 GNU[BDC] pie3:  what OS?
21:09 bigfoot547 It tells you how to compile from source
21:09 pie3 mint cinnamon
21:09 pie3 ok
21:09 pie3 how much download is required?
21:09 pie3 i have limited speed of internet
21:09 GNU[BDC] pie3:  did you look in your repo?
21:10 pie3 thanks for tip GNU[BDC] it is available in synaptic
21:10 bigfoot547 Ok, that could be an old version though.
21:11 pie3 will it work ? bigfoot547
21:11 pie3 i started installation from synaptci
21:11 bigfoot547 It should, what version are you installing.
21:11 GNU[BDC] 0.4.15 ?
21:13 pie3 4.13
21:13 pie3 GNU[BDC]:
21:13 bigfoot547 Ok, not super old... We are about to release 0.4.16
21:14 pie3 how to play game
21:14 GNU[BDC] thats very old
21:14 pie3 delete , new, configure, play options are found
21:14 pie3 creative or enable damage?
21:15 bigfoot547 Creative: Infinite blocks...
21:15 bigfoot547 Enable damage: You have 10 hearts...
21:15 pie3 should i uncheck "enable damage"?
21:15 pie3 untick
21:16 bigfoot547 If you want to.
21:16 calcul0n if you uncheck it you'll be immortal, that's your choice
21:16 pie3 if i press play button
21:16 pie3 there is an erro
21:16 pie3 r
21:16 pie3 no world created or selected
21:16 bigfoot547 Ok, click "Create" to create a world.
21:17 pie3 there is no "create" option
21:17 bigfoot547 On the main menu?
21:17 pie3 should i press "configure"?
21:17 calcul0n it's the "new" button to create a world
21:17 bigfoot547 Sorry, "new" option
21:18 pie3 ok
21:18 pie3 what shold i enter in entries?
21:18 pie3 seed?
21:19 calcul0n you just have to give it a name
21:19 calcul0n everything else is otpional
21:19 bigfoot547 You can set the name of the world in the top, then seed, then mapgen (leave at "v7)
21:19 pie3 ok
21:19 pie3 next?
21:19 bigfoot547 Click create.
21:19 bigfoot547 Once you are done typing stuff in.
21:20 Fixer 0.4.13 is super old
21:20 Fixer there was huge progress since 0.4.13
21:20 bigfoot547 Yes... we will get there Fixer :)
21:20 pie3 Hmm i see
21:20 Fixer 0.4.16 will be reasiled in few days
21:20 pie3 i will try latest one
21:21 pie3 how to update from 4.13 to 4.16 in linux?
21:21 bigfoot547 Ok, go to https://github.com/minetest/minetest
21:21 red-001 0.4.16 should be released on Sunday
21:21 bigfoot547 and download minetest as a .zip.
21:21 bigfoot547 Or use git as explained here: dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:22 red-001 if you are planning to compile minetest git is recommended
21:22 red-001 it's easier to update
21:23 calcul0n also maybe you should uninstall the package first to avoid conflicts
21:23 calcul0n i don't think it would be a problem, but just in case
21:23 bigfoot547 Or, just don't make install
21:24 red-001 what OS still has 0.4.13?
21:25 pie3 mint cinnamon
21:25 bigfoot547 I know debian has 0.4.10
21:25 red-001 :(
21:25 Fixer O_O
21:25 swift110 hey
21:25 Fixer 0.4.10 is ancient
21:25 Fixer dinosaur era
21:25 calcul0n yep, debian is "stable" :p
21:25 bigfoot547 Or lazy,,,
21:25 calcul0n but sid has the latest version
21:26 bigfoot547 Maybe jessie-backports has something...
21:26 red-001 what's the point of that sort of "stable"?
21:26 kaeza <VanessaE> s/stable/stale/
21:26 calcul0n well, debian stable is not a good choice if you want to play
21:27 kaeza isn't Mint based on Ubuntu? can't you use the PPA?
21:27 red-001 huh
21:27 red-001 good point
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21:27 red-001 the PPA got fixed a while back so it should work now
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21:28 kaeza pie3, see if this works: https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
21:28 red-001 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=3837
21:30 pie3 will check kaeza
21:30 kaeza for some reason shift+l does not work :(
21:30 kaeza like, can't type uppercase L
21:30 kaeza well, I can, but must temporarily switch caps lock on
21:31 red-001 https://launchpad.net/~minetestd​evs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds
21:31 bigfoot547 Me too!
21:31 calcul0n i have a similar problem here, i can't type the 7 key
21:31 bigfoot547 Oh. Now I can, flase alarm...
21:31 bigfoot547 false*
21:31 red-001 L?
21:31 kaeza eh, I mean everywhere, not just MT
21:31 bigfoot547 Try holding backspace.
21:32 calcul0n ho
21:32 bigfoot547 I did it and that seemed to fix it...
21:33 kaeza the weird thing is that lowercase l works ok O.o
21:33 kaeza lllll
21:33 bigfoot547 lLlL
21:33 bigfoot547 7&7&
21:33 kaeza 7/7/
21:33 kaeza (spanish layout)
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21:36 kaeza bigfoot547, Ctrl+W solves all problems in IRC
21:36 bigfoot547 What do you mean?
21:36 kaeza try it
21:36 Edgy1 haha dont
21:37 * Fuchs glares
21:37 Edgy1 bigfoot547, it will disconnect you from the channel
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21:37 bigfoot547 Let's see... Keybinds... Close...Ctrl+Q! Knew I shouldn't do it!
21:37 bigfoot547 Ctrl+W*
21:37 Edgy1 ctrl w just closes the channel
21:37 Edgy1 not the whole client
21:38 Edgy1 like ctrl q or alt f4
21:38 bigfoot547 Speaking of... I should set a message when I quit...
21:40 Edgy1 bigfoot547, my laptop says "this computer has joined the labor union and went on strike"
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22:08 bigfoot547 Does anyone have experience with ncurses's pair_content function?
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