Time Nick Message 01:05 Megaf !server Megaf 01:05 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/6, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms 01:05 bigfoot547 !server bigfoot 01:05 MinetestBot bigfoot547: No results 01:06 bigfoot547 :( 01:07 Megaf !server foot 01:07 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 01:07 Megaf Do you even have a server? 01:07 Megaf bigfoot547: 01:08 Megaf I'll take that as a no. 01:08 Megaf 😐 01:20 bigfoot547 Megaf: What is your server about? 01:22 Megaf bigfoot547: hi there. Normal surviva 01:22 Megaf With mesecons and pipeworks 01:23 bigfoot547 Oh. 01:45 bigfoot547 !HELP 01:45 bigfoot547 Nope, that doesn't work. 01:46 bigfoot547 !rainbow Pretty colors! 01:46 MinetestBot 4Pre7tty8 co3lor12s! 01:51 KaadmY !helpimstuck 01:53 bigfoot547 The reason was, I wanted a list of bot commands, and left caps lock on from playing happy wheels. (The caps lock key is close to the tab key on my keyboard.) 01:56 bigfoot547 Do you have a list of bot commands KaadmY? 01:57 KaadmY bigfoot547: nope 01:57 KaadmY !commands 01:57 KaadmY !help 01:57 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 01:57 KaadmY ... 02:00 bigfoot547 I don't see !rainbow 02:37 wilkgr ICAS literally made my day - they used screenshots of MT for one question 04:54 wilkgr Hi LazyJ :) 04:54 LazyJ Howdy wilkgr ;) 07:04 Milan[m] no way to hack a background color in a textarea? :/ 07:06 Milan[m] oh wait i guess i somehow modified it by accident ... also good 07:11 Milan[m] hm i guess it just lost transparency thats all :/ 08:34 Wuzzy hahahaha lol 08:34 Wuzzy get_sky() got broken in current dev 08:47 VanessaE ^^^ and that's why Matrix is A Bad Idea™ :P 10:36 srifqi Hey! 11:22 jomat VanessaE: so irc is a bad idea, too? because netsplits can happen? 11:22 sfan5 that wasn't a netsplit though 11:24 jomat but comparable with a netsplit. the matrix-irc-bridge was restarted so we lost a bunch of users connected to that thing. same effect as a netsplit when one or more irc servers and their connected users go away :-D 11:26 jomat there are better reasons to call infrastructure run by matrix.org a bad idea :-) 11:34 yusf[m] bigfoot547: Found your tanks mod, looks good! :) 11:36 Elench How plausible is it to run a small private MT server on a Pi3? 11:36 Elench I'll find out for myself when it finishes updating, but I'm impatient :þ 11:44 IhrFussel Elench, the engine itself is pretty lightweight..it depends entirely on the mods you want to add 11:45 Elench Yeah, I'll avoid mesecons and stuff unfortunately 11:46 IhrFussel I ran a public server on my home PC (Intel Celeron singlecore) with 15 players and a few heavy mods...the max_lag sometimes reached 5 secs but it wasn't too bad 11:46 Elench Maybe I'll get a few people on and keep adding mods until it's horrific 11:52 XeonSquared A Pi3 is a pretty powerful box 11:52 srifqi Anybody knows when did Minetest changes it's mainmenu tabs to be "Local Game" and "Play Online"? 11:53 XeonSquared I run a fairly modded server on a dual-core Atom box and it's never been overly bad even with 10 players, and I think the Pi3 has more RAM and a better CPU than that box 11:59 Elench Maybe I will try the mods I really want then :3 11:59 Elench I can always remove them if they're problematic 12:01 XeonSquared Aye 12:02 Elench Having my own server running all the time will make it easier to work on my mods too 12:07 Elench Ah, need to compile from git 12:10 srifqi When will Minetest enter feature freeze? 12:13 rubenwardy srifqi, already has 12:13 srifqi Just now? 12:14 rubenwardy Sunday 23:59 UTC 12:15 srifqi Oh, I see. 12:15 srifqi Just compiled few hours ago. 13:55 BBmine Hello, what is the On-topic forum for? 14:04 yusf[m] Anyone knowing if progress is made on nice-looking, air-free underwater plantlikes? 14:09 omarh how to be an irc 14:18 sfan5 that's a good question 14:19 ^7heo depends how you define irc 14:20 ^7heo if it's "irrational repulsive cretin" 14:20 ^7heo then you can just was well take the president of the USA. 14:21 VanessaE heh 14:22 ^7heo s/was well/as well/ 16:57 GreenDimond Why was the offtopic section deleted???????????? 16:57 Fixer where? 16:57 GreenDimond On the forum 16:59 Krock finally 16:59 GreenDimond :-1: 16:59 Fixer GreenDimond: cancer ate it 16:59 Fixer *engulfed* 17:00 GreenDimond I predict the forum is going to be spammed by all the raging users. 17:00 Krock to whoever deleted forum ID 17 - the post quality will hopefully increase now :) 17:02 Fixer GreenDimond: i don't remember much useful in that part of forum since 2011 17:14 Hijiri might be nice to have subforums for specific non-Minetest topics 17:22 Calinou Fixer: offtopic was made in late 2012-early 2013 I think 17:23 Krock Hijiri, soon: "Pancake discussions" "Nitendo debates" "Pokémon" and "Diet tips subforum" 17:23 Hijiri lol 17:25 Calinou "Vim vs Emacs subforum" 17:26 Fixer vs ATOM 17:26 Krock vs NP++ 17:26 Krock vs mspaint's text writing functions 17:50 yusf[m] Is cme/creatures lighter than mobs_redo? 17:51 Hijiri gacha mod when 17:51 Elench What mob mod do I want? 17:52 Elench I'll just find one with kitties 17:55 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Client crashfix: load meta after digging (#5801) 139ff5302 https://git.io/vHtd6 (152017-05-23T17:54:37Z) 18:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix wrong return value in get_sky Lua call since ad9fcf859ec234732583… 13c445a3d https://git.io/vHtbC (152017-05-23T17:59:47Z) 18:02 yumbox im trying to run a minetest server, but it cant seem to find the correct directory. 18:02 yumbox how do i specify the directory? 18:04 Calinou yumbox: directory for what? 18:04 Calinou what OS are you running the server on? 18:04 yumbox openbsd 18:04 yumbox directory for all the files 18:04 Calinou did you install a package or compile Minetest yourself? 18:04 yumbox neither 18:04 Calinou if the latter, use "sudo make install" to install it system-wide 18:04 Calinou ah 18:04 yumbox i downloaded the binary 18:04 yumbox i dont have root. 18:04 Calinou …eh, we don't provide official binaries 18:04 Calinou even less for OpenBSD 18:04 Calinou (we have official Windows binaries and that's about it) 18:04 yumbox there's a ports binary. 18:05 Calinou using BSD as a non-root is going to be a pain 18:05 Calinou with Linux you could use AppImages at least, but these are Linux-specific 18:05 yumbox i have the builtin/ client/ fonts/ games/ locale/ textures/ directories 18:05 yumbox but when i run the binary, it can't find the 18:05 yumbox them* 18:06 Calinou run the binary either from the bin/ folder or the root Minetest folder 18:06 Calinou it won't work if you run it from outside of these, unless Minetest is installed system-wide 18:06 Calinou all games work like this really… they can't magically find their data if you run it from a weird folder 18:06 yumbox running from bin/ doesnt work 18:06 yumbox neither does running from the root minetest folder 18:07 yumbox it gives `WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory!` and `ERROR[Main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid.` 18:08 yumbox minetest --gameid list prints nothing 18:08 Krock then install subgames. 18:08 Krock it seems to work if you get this error 18:08 Krock just no subgames were found 18:09 yumbox but it still says it cant find the locale directory 18:09 IhrFussel yumbox, that is a standard error, even I get it and my server is 100% available and runs 18:10 Krock well but this means you'll only have a english GUI (if a GUI is desired) 18:10 yumbox yeah, i dont really need locales 18:10 yumbox but it indicates that it cant find anything 18:11 IhrFussel Are you trying to run the server with GUI? 18:11 yumbox my subgame is in `share/minetest/games/minetest_game/` 18:12 IhrFussel yumbox, you have to run it as minetest --gameid minetest AFAIK 18:12 yumbox like i said before, `minetest --gameid list` prints nothing 18:13 IhrFussel Check the minetest_game folder then 18:13 IhrFussel Maybe it's empty?? 18:13 yumbox no, it's got everything there 18:15 yumbox my minetest directory contains bin/ builtin/ client/ fonts/ games/ locale/ textures/ 18:17 IhrFussel And the minetest_game folder? 18:17 yumbox it's in games/ 18:17 yumbox anyway, using `MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH=games/` I get a step further 18:17 yumbox now it complains it can't find `builtin/init.lua` 18:18 IhrFussel add minetest_game "games/minetest_game/ 18:18 yumbox ? 18:18 IhrFussel `MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH=games/minetest_game` 18:19 yumbox yeah, but it now complains it can't find `builtin/init.lua` 18:21 IhrFussel You need to specify the whole path I think MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH=PATH/TO/MINETEST/games/minetest_game/ 18:21 yumbox dude... 18:21 yumbox the subgame_path works fine 18:21 yumbox `minetest --gameid list` lists the subgames now 18:21 yumbox it just can't find the `builtin` folder 18:21 twoelk is it there? 18:22 yumbox yeah 18:22 yumbox well, not on the place it expects 18:22 yumbox it expects it in /usr/local/share/minetest/builtin/ 18:22 yumbox but it is in ~/minetest/builtin./ 18:23 sfan5 without having read the previous conversation, you might be missing -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 18:23 twoelk duplicate it and lets see what happens ;-P 18:23 yumbox sfan5: i assume that's a compile parameter 18:24 yumbox twoelk: i cant. i dont have root. 18:24 sfan5 yumbox: indeed it is 18:24 yumbox then it's useless, because im running the binary. 18:25 yumbox im gonna try chroot'ing 18:26 yumbox and that doesnt work either :( 18:26 twoelk wiki.minetest.net/Help:Getting_Started yumbox, you might be interested in the table on this page (might be slightly outdated though) 18:27 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Help:Getting_Started 18:27 Calinou (fixed link for clickability) 18:27 twoelk oops 18:27 yumbox those are all compile options 18:28 twoelk it shows what is put where by which options 18:29 yumbox im using the binary 18:29 yumbox so that's all worthless to me 18:31 twoelk well then it seems the only thing you can do is get another binary that suits your setup :-( 18:32 yumbox that doesnt exist :( 18:32 twoelk maybe run it in an emulater/container of some sort. don't know if that exists for your setup though 18:45 GreenDimond Is there a limit on how many slots you can define in a formspec? 18:45 GreenDimond It wont let me go past 93.. 18:46 twoelk how big is the screen minimum for that? :-O 18:46 GreenDimond what? 18:47 GreenDimond I need 99 slots but I can only get 93 |:I 18:48 yumbox i got 99 problems, but a slot aint one 18:48 GreenDimond lol 18:48 bigfoot547 You have a stack of problems yumbox 18:49 GreenDimond There are 10 rows of 9 and one row of 3 >:I 18:49 yumbox bigfoot547: eh, ill just pirate minecraft instead. 18:49 red-001 yumbox, can't you build minetest yourself? 18:50 red-001 just compile it with -DRUN_IN_PLACE if you can't use make install 18:50 yumbox red-001: no thanks, id rather not spend several days tracking down compilation bugs. 18:50 red-001 you using some obscure system or something? 18:50 yumbox openbsd 18:51 red-001 oh 18:51 bigfoot547 I never use make install, and I don't compile with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1. 18:51 GreenDimond It helps if I set the chest size to 9*6 not 8*6 ):I 18:53 yumbox red-001: to be honest, compiling stuff is horrible on any system. 18:58 Calinou works well on Linux 18:59 Calinou and some software makes it easier on Windows now, like Godot, where all the required libraries are present in the Git repository 18:59 Calinou should be easy on macOS too, with Homebres 18:59 Calinou Homebrew* 18:59 Out`Of`Control always compile with run in place, works great 19:00 ratmix does anyone know why minetest.register_on_placenode does not detect the placement of trees? 19:00 ratmix https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17666 19:38 Hijiri ratmix: register_on_placenode is for players placing things, not placement in general 19:39 Hijiri placing generally refers to players putting things down 19:39 Hijiri or things that behave like it 19:39 Hijiri trees are generated as decorations I think? 19:39 Hijiri oh 19:39 Hijiri you mean players placing tree nodes 19:40 Hijiri ratmix: does your callback get called on stairs? 19:42 ratmix yes 19:42 ratmix stairs work 19:43 Hijiri I think it's a problem in minetest.rotate_node, it doesn't call the register_on_placenode callbacks 19:43 Hijiri I asked about stairs because I thought they used rotate_node, but they don't apparently 19:43 ratmix i thought it might have to do with rotation because placenode does not pass parameter2 19:44 ratmix let me double check... 19:45 Hijiri ratmix: it could pass param2 in newnode 19:45 Hijiri there's no reason they couldn't just pass without it it though if they wanted to 19:46 ratmix yep, works with stairs 19:47 Hijiri It's just rotate_and_place doesn't call the placenode callbacks or use any helpers that do 19:47 ratmix para2 works with setnode too, but i can't trigger anything with register_on_placenode 19:49 ratmix correction, i can't trigger any function when a user places a tree. i think i've tried everything 19:51 Hijiri ratmix: have you tried wrapping the tree's on_place 19:51 ratmix not sure how 20:00 ratmix how could i do that? 20:00 Hijiri I not sure it could be done nicely either anymore 20:00 Hijiri ratmix: do you need to just detect it or be able to stop it etc.? 20:01 ratmix detect and remove 20:02 Hijiri is this for the protection thing? 20:03 Hijiri ratmix: I'll post in thread 20:03 ratmix yes, a custom protection mod for pvp arenas, where building is necessary but with only one type of block 20:03 ratmix ok 20:08 Hijiri ratmix: edited my post 20:09 ratmix Hijiri: Thanks so much! I'll givr it a try 20:14 yumbox how many memory is normal for minetest to use? 20:18 yumbox it uses 8GB for me at the moment 20:25 red-001 thats not normal 20:25 red-001 client? 20:25 yumbox yea 20:26 red-001 do you have an insane block unload time or something.... 20:26 yumbox what option is that? 20:26 red-001 minetest has a good few memory leaks but it's not that bad 20:27 red-001 client_unload_unused_data_timeout 20:28 yumbox should i set that to 100? 20:28 yumbox anything wrong here? https://a.uguu.se/IMHhH4oAolSo.png 20:29 red-001 doesn't seem so 20:29 red-001 it's possible that this is a bug thats somehow related to your OS 20:29 yumbox im using linux 20:30 red-001 oh I though you where on openbsd? 20:30 yumbox my server is 20:30 red-001 ahh 20:30 yumbox i wanted to get minetest server on openbsd, but i gave up on that 20:30 red-001 I though you where one of those people that run openbsd on thier desktop 20:32 Voltz anyone know how to set up a VPN on linux? 20:33 red-001 so you start the game and straigth away it uses 8gb of memory? 20:34 red-001 I don't usually see minetest use more then 1gb-1.5gb 20:35 yumbox it starts with more than 8gb 20:35 yumbox it uses up almost all my 12gb 20:36 yumbox then in-game it uses 8gb 20:36 red-001 wait so even the main menu ueses up 8gb???? 20:38 yumbox no 20:38 yumbox when i join a game it starts to use almost 12gb 20:38 yumbox main menu uses 80mb 20:38 red-001 oh good 20:39 red-001 which server/subgame? 20:39 yumbox standard 20:39 yumbox also initializing nodes takes like 10 seconds 20:39 red-001 you should consider creating an issue on github since this isn't normal 20:40 * red-001 wonder is this linked to people timeing out while loading nodes/media 20:40 yumbox maybe it's because im on intel gpu 20:41 red-001 oh that could be it 20:41 red-001 still it seems extreme 20:41 yumbox i'll just buy some more ram 20:43 Fixer freshly started minetest server uses very few ram, on order of 200-300 mb 20:44 yumbox 200+MB is "very few memory" nowadays? damn 20:44 Fixer yep 20:46 VanessaE feh. I remember when 64k was considered a lot. :) 20:46 yumbox nah, i use sxiv, not feh. 20:48 red-001 Fixer, aren't you think of singleplayer? I though the server only used about 50mb when first started 20:48 Fixer red-001: yeah, it may be even less for server 20:49 yumbox server should use a few MB of memory, if it was properly written 20:53 red-001 yeah a fresh server uses 10mb of memory 20:54 Fixer yumbox: in ponyland 20:54 red-001 I was thinking of an older server that used to have players connected 20:54 yumbox ? 20:54 Fixer yumbox: today's software is so fat, skype - 150mb, firefox - 300mb easily, or 700mb with 1 tab, etc etc etc 20:54 yumbox i wasnt talking about other software 20:55 sfan5 what are you using skype for 20:55 yumbox firefox is expected to use a lot of memory. 20:55 yumbox web browsers are basically operating systems nowadays. 20:55 Fixer for conversations with people, it is not my choice, i dislike skype very much 20:56 Fixer sfan5: ads blocked on it, don't worry, no profit goes to them from me :} 20:57 yumbox just your private data :} 20:58 Fixer voice if only 21:01 ratmix Hijiri: I added a comment to the forum thread 21:57 Calinou I just built AppImages of Minetest client and server, if anyone wants them for testing, tell me 21:57 Calinou (tomorrow, I'm going to sleep now)