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01:05 Megaf !server Megaf
01:05 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/6, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
01:05 bigfoot547 !server bigfoot
01:05 MinetestBot bigfoot547: No results
01:06 bigfoot547 :(
01:07 Megaf !server foot
01:07 MinetestBot Megaf: No results
01:07 Megaf Do you even have a server?
01:07 Megaf bigfoot547:
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01:08 Megaf I'll take that as a no.
01:08 Megaf ūüėź
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01:20 bigfoot547 Megaf: What is your server about?
01:22 Megaf bigfoot547: hi there. Normal surviva
01:22 Megaf With mesecons and pipeworks
01:23 bigfoot547 Oh.
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01:45 bigfoot547 !HELP
01:45 bigfoot547 Nope, that doesn't work.
01:46 bigfoot547 !rainbow Pretty colors!
01:46 MinetestBot 4Pre7tty8 co3lors!
01:51 KaadmY !helpimstuck
01:53 bigfoot547 The reason was, I wanted a list of bot commands, and left caps lock on from playing happy wheels. (The caps lock key is close to the tab key on my keyboard.)
01:56 bigfoot547 Do you have a list of bot commands KaadmY?
01:57 KaadmY bigfoot547: nope
01:57 KaadmY !commands
01:57 KaadmY !help
01:57 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb‚Äčot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
01:57 KaadmY ...
02:00 bigfoot547 I don't see !rainbow
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02:37 wilkgr ICAS literally made my day - they used screenshots of MT for one question
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04:54 wilkgr Hi LazyJ :)
04:54 LazyJ Howdy wilkgr ;)
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07:04 Milan[m] no way to hack a background  color in a textarea? :/
07:06 Milan[m] oh wait i guess i somehow modified it by accident ... also good
07:11 Milan[m] hm i guess it just lost transparency thats all :/
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08:34 Wuzzy hahahaha lol
08:34 Wuzzy get_sky() got broken in current dev
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08:47 VanessaE ^^^ and that's why Matrix is A Bad Idea‚ĄĘ ¬†:P
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10:36 srifqi Hey!
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11:22 jomat VanessaE: so irc is a bad idea, too? because netsplits can happen?
11:22 sfan5 that wasn't a netsplit though
11:24 jomat but comparable with a netsplit. the matrix-irc-bridge was restarted so we lost a bunch of users connected to that thing. same effect as a netsplit when one or more irc servers and their connected users go away :-D
11:26 jomat there are better reasons to call infrastructure run by matrix.org a bad idea :-)
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11:34 yusf[m] bigfoot547: Found your tanks mod, looks good! :)
11:36 Elench How plausible is it to run a small private MT server on a Pi3?
11:36 Elench I'll find out for myself when it finishes updating, but I'm impatient :√ĺ
11:44 IhrFussel Elench, the engine itself is pretty lightweight..it depends entirely on the mods you want to add
11:45 Elench Yeah, I'll avoid mesecons and stuff unfortunately
11:46 IhrFussel I ran a public server on my home PC (Intel Celeron singlecore) with 15 players and a few heavy mods...the max_lag sometimes reached 5 secs but it wasn't too bad
11:46 Elench Maybe I'll get a few people on and keep adding mods until it's horrific
11:52 XeonSquared A Pi3 is a pretty powerful box
11:52 srifqi Anybody knows when did Minetest changes it's mainmenu tabs to be "Local Game" and "Play Online"?
11:53 XeonSquared I run a fairly modded server on a dual-core Atom box and it's never been overly bad even with 10 players, and I think the Pi3 has more RAM and a better CPU than that box
11:59 Elench Maybe I will try the mods I really want then :3
11:59 Elench I can always remove them if they're problematic
12:01 XeonSquared Aye
12:02 Elench Having my own server running all the time will make it easier to work on my mods too
12:07 Elench Ah, need to compile from git
12:10 srifqi When will Minetest enter feature freeze?
12:13 rubenwardy srifqi, already has
12:13 srifqi Just now?
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12:14 rubenwardy Sunday 23:59 UTC
12:15 srifqi Oh, I see.
12:15 srifqi Just compiled few hours ago.
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13:55 BBmine Hello, what is the On-topic forum for?
14:04 yusf[m] Anyone knowing if progress is made on nice-looking, air-free underwater plantlikes?
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14:09 omarh how to be an irc
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14:18 sfan5 that's a good question
14:19 ^7heo depends how you define irc
14:20 ^7heo if it's "irrational repulsive cretin"
14:20 ^7heo then you can just was well take the president of the USA.
14:21 VanessaE heh
14:22 ^7heo s/was well/as well/
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16:57 GreenDimond Why was the offtopic section deleted????????????
16:57 Fixer where?
16:57 GreenDimond On the forum
16:59 Krock finally
16:59 GreenDimond :-1:
16:59 Fixer GreenDimond: cancer ate it
16:59 Fixer *engulfed*
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17:00 GreenDimond I predict the forum is going to be spammed by all the raging users.
17:00 Krock to whoever deleted forum ID 17 - the post quality will hopefully increase now :)
17:02 Fixer GreenDimond: i don't remember much useful in that part of forum since 2011
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17:14 Hijiri might be nice to have subforums for specific non-Minetest topics
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17:22 Calinou Fixer: offtopic was made in late 2012-early 2013 I think
17:23 Krock Hijiri, soon: "Pancake discussions" "Nitendo debates" "Pokémon" and "Diet tips subforum"
17:23 Hijiri lol
17:25 Calinou "Vim vs Emacs subforum"
17:26 Fixer vs ATOM
17:26 Krock vs NP++
17:26 Krock vs mspaint's text writing functions
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17:50 yusf[m] Is cme/creatures lighter than mobs_redo?
17:51 Hijiri gacha mod when
17:51 Elench What mob mod do I want?
17:52 Elench I'll just find one with kitties
17:55 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Client crashfix: load meta after digging (#5801) 9ff5302 https://git.io/vHtd6 (2017-05-23T17:54:37Z)
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18:02 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix wrong return value in get_sky Lua call since ad9fcf859ec234732583… c445a3d https://git.io/vHtbC (2017-05-23T17:59:47Z)
18:02 yumbox im trying to run a minetest server, but it cant seem to find the correct directory.
18:02 yumbox how do i specify the directory?
18:04 Calinou yumbox: directory for what?
18:04 Calinou what OS are you running the server on?
18:04 yumbox openbsd
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18:04 yumbox directory for all the files
18:04 Calinou did you install a package or compile Minetest yourself?
18:04 yumbox neither
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18:04 Calinou if the latter, use "sudo make install" to install it system-wide
18:04 Calinou ah
18:04 yumbox i downloaded the binary
18:04 yumbox i dont have root.
18:04 Calinou …eh, we don't provide official binaries
18:04 Calinou even less for OpenBSD
18:04 Calinou (we have official Windows binaries and that's about it)
18:04 yumbox there's a ports binary.
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18:05 Calinou using BSD as a non-root is going to be a pain
18:05 Calinou with Linux you could use AppImages at least, but these are Linux-specific
18:05 yumbox i have the builtin/ client/ fonts/ games/ locale/ textures/ directories
18:05 yumbox but when i run the binary, it can't find the
18:05 yumbox them*
18:06 Calinou run the binary either from the bin/ folder or the root Minetest folder
18:06 Calinou it won't work if you run it from outside of these, unless Minetest is installed system-wide
18:06 Calinou all games work like this really… they can't magically find their data if you run it from a weird folder
18:06 yumbox running from bin/ doesnt work
18:06 yumbox neither does running from the root minetest folder
18:07 yumbox it gives `WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory!` and `ERROR[Main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid.`
18:08 yumbox minetest --gameid list prints nothing
18:08 Krock then install subgames.
18:08 Krock it seems to work if you get this error
18:08 Krock just no subgames were found
18:09 yumbox but it still says it cant find the locale directory
18:09 IhrFussel yumbox, that is a standard error, even I get it and my server is 100% available and runs
18:10 Krock well but this means you'll only have a english GUI (if a GUI is desired)
18:10 yumbox yeah, i dont really need locales
18:10 yumbox but it indicates that it cant find anything
18:11 IhrFussel Are you trying to run the server with GUI?
18:11 yumbox my subgame is in `share/minetest/games/minetest_game/`
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18:12 IhrFussel yumbox, you have to run it as minetest --gameid minetest AFAIK
18:12 yumbox like i said before, `minetest --gameid list` prints nothing
18:13 IhrFussel Check the minetest_game folder then
18:13 IhrFussel Maybe it's empty??
18:13 yumbox no, it's got everything there
18:15 yumbox my minetest directory contains bin/ builtin/ client/ fonts/ games/ locale/ textures/
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18:17 IhrFussel And the minetest_game folder?
18:17 yumbox it's in games/
18:17 yumbox anyway, using `MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH=games/` I get a step further
18:17 yumbox now it complains it can't find `builtin/init.lua`
18:18 IhrFussel add minetest_game "games/minetest_game/
18:18 yumbox ?
18:18 IhrFussel `MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH=games/minetest_game`
18:19 yumbox yeah, but it now complains it can't find `builtin/init.lua`
18:21 IhrFussel You need to specify the whole path I think MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH=PATH/TO/‚ÄčMINETEST/games/minetest_game/
18:21 yumbox dude...
18:21 yumbox the subgame_path works fine
18:21 yumbox `minetest --gameid list` lists the subgames now
18:21 yumbox it just can't find the `builtin` folder
18:21 twoelk is it there?
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18:22 yumbox yeah
18:22 yumbox well, not on the place it expects
18:22 yumbox it expects it in /usr/local/share/minetest/builtin/
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18:22 yumbox but it is in ~/minetest/builtin./
18:23 sfan5 without having read the previous conversation, you might be missing -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
18:23 twoelk duplicate it and lets see what happens ;-P
18:23 yumbox sfan5: i assume that's a compile parameter
18:24 yumbox twoelk: i cant. i dont have root.
18:24 sfan5 yumbox: indeed it is
18:24 yumbox then it's useless, because im running the binary.
18:25 yumbox im gonna try chroot'ing
18:26 yumbox and that doesnt work either :(
18:26 twoelk wiki.minetest.net/Help:Getting_Started yumbox, you might be interested in the table on this page (might be slightly outdated though)
18:27 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Help:Getting_Started
18:27 Calinou (fixed link for clickability)
18:27 twoelk oops
18:27 yumbox those are all compile options
18:28 twoelk it shows what is put where by which options
18:29 yumbox im using the binary
18:29 yumbox so that's all worthless to me
18:31 twoelk well then it seems the only thing you can do is get another binary that suits your setup :-(
18:32 yumbox that doesnt exist :(
18:32 twoelk maybe run it in an emulater/container of some sort. don't know if that exists for your setup though
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18:45 GreenDimond Is there a limit on how many slots you can define in a formspec?
18:45 GreenDimond It wont let me go past 93..
18:46 twoelk how big is the screen minimum for that?  :-O
18:46 GreenDimond what?
18:47 GreenDimond I need 99 slots but I can only get 93 |:I
18:48 yumbox i got 99 problems, but a slot aint one
18:48 GreenDimond lol
18:48 bigfoot547 You have a stack of problems yumbox
18:49 GreenDimond There are 10 rows of 9 and one row of 3 >:I
18:49 yumbox bigfoot547: eh, ill just pirate minecraft instead.
18:49 red-001 yumbox, can't you build minetest yourself?
18:50 red-001 just compile it with -DRUN_IN_PLACE if you can't use make install
18:50 yumbox red-001: no thanks, id rather not spend several days tracking down compilation bugs.
18:50 red-001 you using some obscure system or something?
18:50 yumbox openbsd
18:51 red-001 oh
18:51 bigfoot547 I never use make install, and I don't compile with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1.
18:51 GreenDimond It helps if I set the chest size to 9*6 not 8*6 ):I
18:53 yumbox red-001: to be honest, compiling stuff is horrible on any system.
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18:58 Calinou works well on Linux
18:59 Calinou and some software makes it easier on Windows now, like Godot, where all the required libraries are present in the Git repository
18:59 Calinou should be easy on macOS too, with Homebres
18:59 Calinou Homebrew*
18:59 Out`Of`Control always compile with run in place, works great
19:00 ratmix does anyone know why minetest.register_on_placenode does not detect the placement of trees?
19:00 ratmix https://forum.minetest.net/v‚Äčiewtopic.php?f=6&t=17666
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19:38 Hijiri ratmix: register_on_placenode is for players placing things, not placement in general
19:39 Hijiri placing generally refers to players putting things down
19:39 Hijiri or things that behave like it
19:39 Hijiri trees are generated as decorations I think?
19:39 Hijiri oh
19:39 Hijiri you mean players placing tree nodes
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19:40 Hijiri ratmix: does your callback get called on stairs?
19:42 ratmix yes
19:42 ratmix stairs work
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19:43 Hijiri I think it's a problem in minetest.rotate_node, it doesn't call the register_on_placenode callbacks
19:43 Hijiri I asked about stairs because I thought they used rotate_node, but they don't apparently
19:43 ratmix i thought it might have to do with rotation because placenode does not pass parameter2
19:44 ratmix let me double check...
19:45 Hijiri ratmix: it could pass param2 in newnode
19:45 Hijiri there's no reason they couldn't just pass without it it though if they wanted to
19:46 ratmix yep, works with stairs
19:47 Hijiri It's just rotate_and_place doesn't call the placenode callbacks or use any helpers that do
19:47 ratmix para2 works with setnode too, but i can't trigger anything with register_on_placenode
19:49 ratmix correction, i can't trigger any function when a user places a tree. i think i've tried everything
19:51 Hijiri ratmix: have you tried wrapping the tree's on_place
19:51 ratmix not sure how
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20:00 ratmix how could i do that?
20:00 Hijiri I not sure it could be done nicely either anymore
20:00 Hijiri ratmix: do you need to just detect it or be able to stop it etc.?
20:01 ratmix detect and remove
20:02 Hijiri is this for the protection thing?
20:03 Hijiri ratmix: I'll post in thread
20:03 ratmix yes, a custom protection mod for pvp arenas, where building is necessary but with only one type of block
20:03 ratmix ok
20:08 Hijiri ratmix: edited my post
20:09 ratmix Hijiri: Thanks so much! I'll givr it a try
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20:14 yumbox how many memory is normal for minetest to use?
20:18 yumbox it uses 8GB for me at the moment
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20:25 red-001 thats not normal
20:25 red-001 client?
20:25 yumbox yea
20:26 red-001 do you have an insane block unload time or something....
20:26 yumbox what option is that?
20:26 red-001 minetest has a good few memory leaks but it's not that bad
20:27 red-001 client_unload_unused_data_timeout
20:28 yumbox should i set that to 100?
20:28 yumbox anything wrong here? https://a.uguu.se/IMHhH4oAolSo.png
20:29 red-001 doesn't seem so
20:29 red-001 it's possible that this is a bug thats somehow related to your OS
20:29 yumbox im using linux
20:30 red-001 oh I though you where on openbsd?
20:30 yumbox my server is
20:30 red-001 ahh
20:30 yumbox i wanted to get minetest server on openbsd, but i gave up on that
20:30 red-001 I though you where one of those people that run openbsd on thier desktop
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20:32 Voltz anyone know how to set up a VPN on linux?
20:33 red-001 so you start the game and straigth away it uses 8gb of memory?
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20:34 red-001 I don't usually see minetest use more then 1gb-1.5gb
20:35 yumbox it starts with more than 8gb
20:35 yumbox it uses up almost all my 12gb
20:36 yumbox then in-game it uses 8gb
20:36 red-001 wait so even the main menu ueses up 8gb????
20:38 yumbox no
20:38 yumbox when i join a game it starts to use almost 12gb
20:38 yumbox main menu uses 80mb
20:38 red-001 oh good
20:39 red-001 which server/subgame?
20:39 yumbox standard
20:39 yumbox also initializing nodes takes like 10 seconds
20:39 red-001 you should consider creating an issue on github since this isn't normal
20:40 * red-001 wonder is this linked to people timeing out while loading nodes/media
20:40 yumbox maybe it's because im on intel gpu
20:41 red-001 oh that could be it
20:41 red-001 still it seems extreme
20:41 yumbox i'll just buy some more ram
20:43 Fixer freshly started minetest server uses very few ram, on order of 200-300 mb
20:44 yumbox 200+MB is "very few memory" nowadays? damn
20:44 Fixer yep
20:46 VanessaE feh.  I remember when 64k was considered a lot.  :)
20:46 yumbox nah, i use sxiv, not feh.
20:48 red-001 Fixer, aren't you think of singleplayer? I though the server only used about 50mb when first started
20:48 Fixer red-001: yeah, it may be even less for server
20:49 yumbox server should use a few MB of memory, if it was properly written
20:53 red-001 yeah a fresh server uses 10mb of memory
20:54 Fixer yumbox: in ponyland
20:54 red-001 I was thinking of an older server that used to have players connected
20:54 yumbox ?
20:54 Fixer yumbox: today's software is so fat, skype - 150mb, firefox - 300mb easily, or 700mb with 1 tab, etc etc etc
20:54 yumbox i wasnt talking about other software
20:55 sfan5 what are you using skype for
20:55 yumbox firefox is expected to use a lot of memory.
20:55 yumbox web browsers are basically operating systems nowadays.
20:55 Fixer for conversations with people, it is not my choice, i dislike skype very much
20:56 Fixer sfan5: ads blocked on it, don't worry, no profit goes to them from me :}
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20:57 yumbox just your private data :}
20:58 Fixer voice if only
21:01 ratmix Hijiri: I added a comment to the forum thread
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21:57 Calinou I just built AppImages of Minetest client and server, if anyone wants them for testing, tell me
21:57 Calinou (tomorrow, I'm going to sleep now)
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