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01:29 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix owner not being checked on write to book 2917562 https://git.io/v93pR (2017-04-27T01:28:23Z)
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02:05 BBmine I feel like this guy is a spammer.
02:05 BBmine https://forum.minetest.net/memberli‚Äčst.php?mode=viewprofile&u=21081
02:06 BBmine He joined this evening, and all his boxes (signature, occupation, etc) go to the same webpage.
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03:29 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Remove dye craft recipe conflict. ae7206c https://git.io/v9sJa (2017-04-27T03:19:59Z)
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05:32 player1015 I just found out about minetest and I'm really fascinated with it. Does minetest have standard modpacks or a management system for them? I think that it would really increase its popularity if it had modpacks similar to minecraft's feed the beast that you could just install and play with friends
05:36 sofar there's "Subgames" that effectively do this
05:37 sofar some modpacks exist that come really close to that as well
05:37 sofar player1015: best place to look is the various forum sections
05:37 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=38
05:38 sofar player1015: and yes, there is a *ton* of content out there, all ready to install and use
05:42 player1015 sofar: I see lots of interesting subgames on the forum. Are the subgame servers usually active with lots of players?
05:42 sofar they feel pretty busy at the moment
05:43 sofar sfan5: do we have stats like 'currently playing: xxx players' somewhere?
05:43 sofar sfan5: maybe convince minetestbot to query/show it
05:43 sofar MinetestBot: !playing
05:43 sofar MinetestBot: !players
05:44 sofar !playing
05:44 sofar !players
05:44 sofar ergh w/e
05:44 sofar player1015: http://i.imgur.com/vwkNdzn.png
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05:45 sofar that's just one page with ~200 players?
05:46 sofar of course, it's the top servers
05:46 player1015 Nice. Are there any mods that implement something like Factions for minecraft? Land claiming for pvp servers that you can overclaim with enough power
05:47 sofar player1015: please note that "subgames" do not need special downloads if you're playing on a server that runs a subgame
05:47 player1015 Really? How does it work then?
05:47 sofar minetest downloads all the needed parts at first connect
05:47 sofar including 3d models, animations, sounds, textures
05:47 sofar most of the servers in the list are heavily modded already
05:48 sofar e.g. skyblock server is a completely different world with custom craft recipes
05:48 player1015 Is the downloaded code sandboxed?
05:48 sofar dreambuilder has thousands of nodes
05:48 sofar code isn't downloaded at all
05:48 sofar (*)
05:48 sofar in the future it may be, but it will be sandboxed heavily
05:49 sofar minetest currently does not have client side mods, all the mod code runs on the server only
05:51 player1015 So rendering a menu for a machine for example would be done by standard code that gets some type of markup from the server?
05:51 sofar correct (called a formspec in minetest lingo)
05:52 sofar mods all run entirely on the server only, and are written in lua
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05:52 sofar mods provide extra assets as they need
05:53 sofar the server finds all the assets when it starts, and then sends them out to each client that connects
05:53 player1015 Does singleplayer also run a server on your machine?
05:58 sofar effectively
05:58 sofar otherwise code is just duplicated for no reason
05:58 sofar but in singleplayer mode, nobody else can connect
05:58 sofar it's the same efficiency, though
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06:41 sfan5 sofar: theres a thing at the top of servers.minetest.net
06:43 sofar sfan5: ahh neat
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08:25 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Thank You Thursday! ūüėÉ ¬†‚̧
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09:51 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Allow scripts to get the client protocol version in non-debug builds.… 1ef9eee https://git.io/v9s0f (2017-04-27T09:49:44Z)
09:51 MinetestBot [git] BluebirdGreycoat -> minetest/minetest: Fix incorrect formspec-tooltip doc, add detail in 'floodable' & 'on_f… d130e1f https://git.io/v9s0J (2017-04-27T09:49:07Z)
10:14 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Don't permit to copy Scripting classes (Client,Server,Mainmenu) b82e5ec https://git.io/v9szJ (2017-04-27T09:52:44Z)
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11:34 MinetestBot [git] desttinghim -> minetest/minetest: Search user path for sounds (#5657) 04ba2d2 https://git.io/v9s6k (2017-04-27T11:33:59Z)
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14:16 DS-minetest hi MinetestBot
14:16 MinetestBot Hello DS-minetest!
14:21 ThomasMonroe_ hi DS
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14:22 DS-minetest hi Tre
14:23 Paul27 Hello. There's someone on the community that can host a server even for a short period of time?
14:24 ThomasMonroe_ Paul27 try minetesthosting/com
14:24 ThomasMonroe_ .com*
14:27 Paul27 I know but the free hosting service there is much limited. The point is that i would like to "launch" a server, but only in a test state.
14:28 Paul27 I mean, to see how it would develop
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14:31 CalebDavis i am wondering is there a way to hide the "<player> is connecting" messages in a server
14:32 DS-minetest hm, if an object A collides with another object B, both have the same velocity direction, A is in front of B, B i faster, what's the new velocity of B, the velocity of A or 0?
14:33 CalebDavis i think A and B would trade velocities
14:34 Paul27 Well, if A and B are two solids like stone or wood, and if B is enough fast, they'll stick togheter
14:34 DS-minetest (i mean objects in minetest)
14:34 Paul27 Ops
14:35 CalebDavis yea they should end up with a velocity that is the average of them both
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14:59 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix Travis builds c761717 https://git.io/v9GIe (2017-04-27T14:57:46Z)
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15:08 CalebDavis is there a way to hide the "<player> is connecting" messages in a server
15:08 red-002 player is connecting?
15:08 red-002 you mean ** Player joined right?
15:09 CalebDavis no the *** PLayer is connecting
15:10 CalebDavis it appears om mms and not much else cause so many people are trying to connect but not getting through
15:11 CalebDavis so it says that they are connection but doesnt say that they join
15:11 CalebDavis connecting*
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15:56 Paul27 Hello. There's someone on the community that can host a server even for a short period of time?
15:59 red-002 define short period of time
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15:59 red-002 minutes? hours? days?
15:59 Paul27 like a month?
16:00 red-002 well you can try can convince existing server hosts
16:00 red-002 you need a good argument through
16:00 Paul27 That's what i'm asking for?
16:01 Shara Maybe try explaining why you need it and what you'll do with it.
16:01 Shara Server owners get multiple requests for things like this practically every day.
16:02 red-002 why can't you host it yourself anyway?
16:03 red-002 you just need a pc and be willing to pay the power bill for leaving it running overnight
16:03 Paul27 Shara: I want to see how a low-modded server with simple name and rules would gain popularity
16:03 red-002 that's what I did before I got bored of hosting a server
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16:03 Shara A simple server isn't really anything new.
16:04 Paul27 red-002: This can be dumb, but i'm afraid of.. hacker attacks
16:04 red-002 or if you don't mind investing a bit you can get a vps
16:04 Shara You can get a pretty cheap VPS for a server like that.
16:04 red-002 Paul27 don't worry about hackers too much
16:05 Paul27 The point is that i don't want to give "away" personal infos and/or money for a project that has a big chance of failure
16:06 Paul27 red-002: um why not?
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16:06 red-002 you are unlikely to be attacked just for hosting a minetest server
16:06 Shara Paul27: Considering how cheap a VPS for a month is, the time I'd need to set you up would be worth more to me than you'd have to pay.
16:07 Shara If you are not willing to invest in your experiment, it might be difficult to find someone else to.
16:07 red-002 btw I think the people running http://minetest.tv/ are willing to host a few servers
16:08 rubenwardy there hasn't been any reported incidents of a server being hacked
16:08 CalebDavis you could even host on a 10 dolar rasberry pi
16:08 rubenwardy DDOS, yes, but no hacking
16:08 red-002 but few rules and mods is hardly a new idea
16:08 Shara red-002: minetest.tv are NOT willing to host for others.
16:09 Paul27 Shara: "the time I'd need to set you up would be worth more to me than you'd have to pay" Can you please rephrase?
16:09 Shara I am the only person other than the owner who has ever been allowed to have a server there.
16:09 red-002 the time you will have to invest in seting up a server is greater then the monetary cost
16:09 Shara Paul27: My time is worth more to me then the amount of money you would need to pay to do this yourself.
16:10 Shara And I don't see why I'd be willing to make that investment of my time, if you aren't willing to invest in your own idea.
16:10 Paul27 Well can't you just say "No, sorry"?
16:11 sofar he's explaining why everyone is saying "No, sorry"
16:11 Shara she*
16:11 Shara And hi sofar :)
16:11 sofar dem personies
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16:11 sofar dis humanooyd
16:12 Shara :D
16:13 sofar You know, when you see IRC nicks around long enough you tend to make your own mind up about certain people being either male or female or "whatever"
16:14 sofar it's pretty darn hard to correct that perception after a while
16:14 sofar I want to say photos would help, but that'd be too risky :)
16:15 Shara Just a little :)
16:15 sofar some things can't be left unseen
16:18 rubenwardy I got the impression that Shara was female
16:19 rubenwardy something about the name :P
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17:32 Fixer Shara is not female?
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17:33 Shara At this rate, I'll be doubting it myself!
17:33 Fixer still playing debug minetest, 15 fps, want to puke soon
17:33 Fixer still no crash I want
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17:44 twoelk Fixer: have you tested other particle emmiting mods yet to compare to the TNT blast issue?
17:45 Fixer twoelk: nope, I'm dealing with other stuff right now
17:45 twoelk :-)
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17:47 twoelk cool, I'm sort of riding a bat on JT2!
17:47 twoelk oops, it went poof :-(
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19:23 yusf[m] Hello! I'm trying to differ between mt_g farming and farming_redo in a third mod. How to do it?
19:24 yusf[m] ^ in code, that is :D
19:24 red-001 check for diffrences in api?
19:25 yusf[m] How? I also figured I'll look for the file corn.lua in farming and if present I know it's farming_redo. But I don't know how?
19:25 yusf[m] I'm new to modding and I only know minetest.get_modpath
19:26 red-001 what are you trying to do anyway?
19:27 red-001 https://github.com/minetest/minet‚Äčest_game/blob/master/game_api.txt
19:27 yusf[m] Make a third mod use the "right" farming mod.
19:28 yusf[m] It seems like there's the global called farming.mod = "redo" in farming_redo. I'll just check for that! :)
19:28 red-001 https://github.com/tenplus1/fa‚Äčrming/blob/master/init.lua#L9
19:29 yusf[m] That is awesome, thanks guys
19:31 red-001 np
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19:57 yusf[m] Oh, I meany "guy". Looked too fast and thought tenplus1 chimed in.
19:57 yusf[m] Thanks red-001
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20:27 TommyTreasure i had a player ask me about the 'bookshelf with doors', but he doesn't know which mod it goes with.  any ideas?
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20:28 TommyTreasure nvm, i think i just found it
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21:30 pandaro Is it normal that 'get_player_control()' does not work when a player is shown a formpec?
21:31 pandaro *hello at all
21:31 sfan5 yes
21:31 pandaro thanks
21:32 ThomasMonroe hi sfan5
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22:00 red-001 well that's fun I'm being insulted by coconut in a pm
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22:41 GreenDimond sfan5, why no? https://forum.minetest.net/viewt‚Äčopic.php?f=3&amp;t=17459#p266019
22:42 GreenDimond Rui asked for posts to be deleted there...
22:42 GreenDimond Oh. You're away.
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22:43 rubenwardy GreenDimond: that's not what that topic's for
22:43 Fixer GreenDimond: https://i.imgur.com/bzXBXY0.png guess my level of triggered
22:44 GreenDimond Ah. Then what is the topic to do it? sfan could have at least answered the poor guys question.
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22:44 rubenwardy Just tell them to email c55, not sure if he checks his pms
22:44 GreenDimond On a scale of one to 10 Fixer? 20. Ill get on and ask him to move.
22:44 GreenDimond rubenwardy: allrighty, will do.
22:45 Fixer when i /home and seen that i was fuuu+E666
22:46 Fixer GreenDimond: i guess if that gets moved I need to protect that damn lake to have no such surprise builds
22:46 GreenDimond That would be smart.
22:47 Fixer GreenDimond: https://i.imgur.com/lfmxyYB.png
22:47 GreenDimond I saw the original?
22:48 GreenDimond Getting on
22:49 Fixer GreenDimond: be polite
22:50 GreenDimond I am?
22:50 Fixer you are polite right now, yes
22:51 Fixer GreenDimond: or maybe leave her alone for some time until she forgets about it and then move it away
22:52 GreenDimond I  might try it if she resists.
22:54 GreenDimond So akward to call someone "love" xD
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22:56 Fixer lol, yes
22:56 Fixer creepy
22:56 Fixer like it is your wife
23:02 GreenDimond Fixer: crisis averted. Better protect it fast :)
23:05 Fixer GreenDimond: thank you very much
23:05 GreenDimond No prob. That is probably the most helpful thing I have done all month :P
23:05 Fixer GreenDimond: her building still standing here though
23:06 GreenDimond It is? I moved it...
23:06 Fixer oh
23:06 Fixer GreenDimond: looks like my client have not updated the blocks
23:06 GreenDimond You might try relogging?
23:07 Fixer it is fixed after I reentered the area
23:07 GreenDimond Oh good
23:08 Fixer will protect middle of the lake
23:08 GreenDimond Good.
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