Time Nick Message 00:17 OldCoder dragon_, you will need to register a nick 00:17 OldCoder That one is likely to be taken 00:17 OldCoder Register a nick and PM me please after 00:17 OldCoder Oops, sorry 00:17 OldCoder Wrong channel, never mind! 00:17 OldCoder 00:18 OldCoder ^ As dear Emily Litella used to say 00:18 dragon_ can i talk to u 00:18 dragon_ in private 00:18 OldCoder Moment 00:20 OldCoder halt_, wb 01:13 GreenDimond So I have a peculiar modding problem 01:15 OldCoder GreenDimond, speak 01:15 OldCoder queek 01:15 OldCoder Let the issue leak 01:15 OldCoder We will take a peek 01:16 OldCoder Hm 01:16 GreenDimond I have an item I want to remove from the player on_use. It is 'removed', but it is still in my hand, but it does not function any more. i can put an item over it in the inven, but make the slot empty again and it is in my hand again. 01:16 GreenDimond code: https://gist.github.com/GreenXenith/69679abeeb0d3b3cf4762f701d3dc8c5 01:23 GreenDimond afk 01:59 ircSparky does "minetest.clear_registered_biomes()" keep things from growning 01:59 ircSparky ? 01:59 ircSparky growing 02:32 ThomasMonroe_ i think so sparky 02:32 ThomasMonroe_ but im not sure 02:32 ThomasMonroe_ i would assume so 02:33 ThomasMonroe_ or maybe it falls back on some default biome 02:33 ThomasMonroe_ ircSparky ^ 02:56 ircSparky ok 02:57 ircSparky WELL 02:57 ircSparky op 02:57 ircSparky i wanted the biomes to be mostly stone 02:57 ircSparky so i did that 02:57 ircSparky but saplings arent growing, and dirt isnt growing grass with sunlight 03:20 paramat saplings need dirt or similar under them to grow 03:20 paramat clearing biomes does not stop things growing 03:21 paramat dirt only grows grass if grass spreads from a neighbouring node 03:22 paramat tree saplings take at least a standard MT day to grow 03:22 paramat saplings need to be under open sky, or next to a meselamp 03:23 paramat and on a node with group 'soil = 1' 03:27 paramat ^ ircSparky 03:32 cheapie Well, this was "fun" to clean up: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170425_214559.png 03:37 garywhite What happened there? 03:40 ircSparky Ok, thanks, gnight all 05:25 MinetestBot 02[git] 04BluebirdGreycoat -> 03minetest/minetest: Tiny documentation fix. (#5659) 1370ceeb8 https://git.io/v9YlS (152017-04-26T05:24:15Z) 06:46 HowdyHey and therein lies your failure. 06:46 HowdyHey Failure smailure. Aren't you Jewish? If so, how do you feel about the smug Anti-Semites who are pleased by the burning of the Jews? You defend them. I'll not do so. They belong to me. 06:46 HowdyHey If you'll not stand up for those who are born or perceived as different, that is your failure. Do not presume to lecture *me* on the subject. 06:47 HowdyHey But I carry enough determination for both of us. 06:47 HowdyHey That is the point. You should be asleep. 06:47 HowdyHey and as for the "burning Jews" argument, non-sequitur aside, you clearly fail in your assumption that I would defend anti-semites 06:47 HowdyHey and you should not lecture ME on the concept of people born different. 06:47 HowdyHey I should not need to lecture you on this issue. Yet you insist on it. That is also the point How can you do this? 06:47 HowdyHey I fought against fear and exhaustion to attempt to help. But even you revile the difference. I can't type as others do. When I am confused or stressed. If this is considered a failing, such as being unable to walk... 07:26 Fritigern Why the hell is this asshole "HeyHo" sending me a query pasting some kind of argument between oldcoder and vanessa? 07:26 red-002 so why are we dumping logs now? 07:27 red-002 use pastebin if you have to 07:28 VanessaE Fritigern: ask him yourself. 07:28 red-002 Fritigern, pretty sure it's oldcoder 07:28 VanessaE it IS oldcoder. 07:28 red-002 it's his style 07:28 red-002 just /ignore him 07:29 Fritigern I couldn;t care less who he is. He is trying to drag me into something which has nothing to do with me. This shit is NOT welcome and I would like for his IP to get blocked are banned 07:30 Fritigern *or 07:30 red-002 Fritigern, ignore all the ip's recently banned on -dev 07:30 red-002 and anyone with the ident of "root" 07:31 red-002 that should cover most of his ip's 07:36 Fritigern I am being harassed for NO reason at all, dragged into some argument which I was no part of nor wanted any part of. If this is not bannable behaviour, then what is? 07:37 red-002 well he got banned from -dev 07:37 VanessaE Fritigern: PM'ing you or something? 07:37 Fritigern And he just queried me again, telling me to be polite. 07:37 red-002 we should lose op here imo 07:37 red-002 Fritigern, yeah that's what he does 07:37 Fritigern So yes, he sent me those logs without any reason whatsoever 07:38 Fritigern Just ban him and be done with his BS forever, just keep him out of here and keep this place the peaceful one that it once was 07:39 red-002 ^ 07:40 sfan5 Fritigern: you do realize we can't ban people from sending you pms 07:40 Fritigern And yes, I blocked him, so who will he PM next? And after that? And after that one? 07:40 sfan5 if more people are bothered freenode staff can be talked to about a kline 07:40 Fritigern You can ban him from this channel, and thus keep the user list from him 07:43 * VanessaE sighs 08:10 Kray why the fuck someone is flooding me with log from apparently this channel 08:12 VanessaE well he's finally gone to bed 08:12 VanessaE guess I wore him out :P 08:12 Kray no he did it right now 08:12 Kray 4 minutes ago 08:15 * VanessaE shrugs 08:34 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Hug An Australian Day! 😃 🐨 14:00 muhdnurhidayat can I know if there's any specific forum for Minetest Wiki? or where should I ask about it? 14:01 muhdnurhidayat I think I need a page to explain on the Malay translations as so any future translators would be consistent with what's being translated in weblate and in wiki now... 14:01 muhdnurhidayat I'll also add english explanation if needed in that page... 14:03 muhdnurhidayat things like how certain words being used (eg. "intan" instead of "berlian" for diamond), and how certain words should not be use (the uncommon polite-form "anda" instead of more-common sometime offensive "kamu" for "you") 14:04 Elench ikuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttik bbggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg 14:04 red-002 well we got spam 14:04 Elench Whoops, sorry, cat 14:04 red-002 lol 14:05 muhdnurhidayat I'm talking about Malay though, not Indonesian... I know what Elench is writing 14:05 Elench She hit enter when fighting me to pick her off the keyboard 14:06 muhdnurhidayat Indonesian is using "berlian" as translation for all "diamond"-related stuffs... but in Malay "berlian" is specifically for the diamond itself, the ore and tools need to use "intan" instead... so it needs to be mentioned somewhere as reference... 14:07 muhdnurhidayat and many other language notes... 14:08 muhdnurhidayat I know German also have this kind of notes, but it's in dev's wiki... if it's in the main wiki then I would already duplicate that and change contents to put the language notes... 14:15 twoelk you could translate http://wiki.minetest.net/Wiki_guidelines and add a link to a special page if needed and no similar page exists in the english wiki 14:17 muhdnurhidayat lol, red... -- @twoelk you mean create pages that start with Special: or just making subpages from the translation page ?? like Wiki_guidelines/ms/Translation notes ?? 14:18 twoelk btw, what part of Malaysia do you come from? I lived in Sarawak for some years as a kid. I have forgotten most Malay or Iban I knew as child though 14:18 twoelk I wouldn't make a special page but opinions may differ 14:18 muhdnurhidayat I'm from Kedah... but I know standard Malay enough to translate without being influenced by Kedah Malay... 14:20 muhdnurhidayat Kedah Malay has more words that different from standard Malay, like "hang" for "you" instead of polite "anda", casual "kamu" or intimate "awak"... 14:20 twoelk I would suggest you put it in the wiki_guidelines page in an extra section for a start and maybe move it to an own page later 14:21 twoelk I once started the Longhouse article in wikipedia in Malay, seems my malay was antique as most spelling got corrected 14:23 twoelk I had copied it from an old text I had done for school in the seventies, may have been full of mistakes then allready 14:24 muhdnurhidayat oh... yes. the ch has changed to c... old "cherita" is now spelled "cerita" and many more changes... but even singapore, brunei and cocos uses the newer Malay spellings... 14:24 twoelk I cant remember using "hang", but remember anda or maybe andu? so long ago 14:25 muhdnurhidayat "hang" is in Kedah Malay... it's not existed in standard Malay that people learn in school... xD "anda" is used on textbooks... 14:27 muhdnurhidayat Kedah Malay is a dialect of Malay, though there's been issue that it might be separate language... it has it's own ISO code "meo"... standard Malay uses the ISO code "ms" and "msa"... 14:27 juli 14:27 twoelk interesting, and now I struggle with the new reformed german spelling :-D 14:28 twoelk where I live we have "Plattdeutsch" as own language, though you seldom hear it on the streets anymore 14:30 twoelk I guess the few words of malay I still remember are mostly related to geography and naming of places 14:30 muhdnurhidayat something like "sungai" (river) ? xD 14:31 twoelk yep I lived in a Jalan Sungai 14:31 muhdnurhidayat many places name came from geography anyway, even "kuala lumpur" which literally means "muddy confluence"... 14:33 twoelk I remember. That Jalan Sungai was in Kuala Baleit in Brunei 14:34 muhdnurhidayat anyway, I need to get off to eat my dinner... I'll get to making the wiki translation later... thanks for that page creation suggestion... xD 14:34 twoelk in Miri I lived on Tanjong Lobang, nicely on the cliff overlooking the sea 17:09 Telesight Hello all: How do I stop leafdecay of one certain leaftype? 17:13 Krock ugly fix: set their param(1) to 0 17:14 Telesight @Krock Ok let me see 17:16 Krock if it's a node in default, you'd have to use minetest.override_item to remove the timers 17:19 Telesight It is this one: minetest.register_node("default:acacia_leaves", { 17:21 Telesight And if I remove from the leafdecay group in this line?: groups = {snappy = 3, leafdecay = 3, flammable = 2, leaves = 1}, 17:23 Krock as of 0.4.15-dev (HEAD) there are node timers that replaced the ABMs in MTG 17:24 Krock I'm not sure what version you've got. Check against "leafdecay_on_timer" in default/functions.lua 17:24 ThomasMonroe hi Krock 17:24 Krock hi Tre 17:25 Telesight 0.4.15 17:25 sofar you could override the on_timers for leaves to an empty function 17:25 sofar with 0.4.15 release you'd need to remove the abm 17:25 sofar which you can't 17:26 Krock why so complicated? 17:26 Krock override the groups 17:26 Krock or as you said, remove the leafdecay = 3 value from it 17:26 Krock but that's not a good solution as it results in conflicts when you pull the latest changes from git 17:27 Krock doing it over a seperate mod to "patch" your MTG is a better idea, as we've already got the functions to make this possible 17:28 Telesight @Krock I will remove it from the decaygroup, I keep it in mind when I update ...;-) 17:29 Krock !next 17:29 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 17:38 Paul27 There's someone on the community that can host a server (ever for a short period of time)? 17:56 Paul27 Bye 19:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04red-001 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix #5655 (#5658) 13ff1ef67 https://git.io/v93TD (152017-04-26T19:10:13Z) 19:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix Android build since 2818d3f2244d2146a5cdb61cd41f6561c514f97c 131670bc7 https://git.io/v93k3 (152017-04-26T19:11:46Z) 19:31 GreenDimond So I have a strange modding problem. 19:31 GreenDimond I have an item I want to remove from the player on_use. It is 'removed', but it is still in my hand, but it does not function any more. i can put an item over it in the inven, but make the slot empty again and it is in my hand again. 19:31 GreenDimond code: https://gist.github.com/GreenXenith/69679abeeb0d3b3cf4762f701d3dc8c5 19:35 sfan5 GreenDimond: you are supposed to change the "itemstack" that is passed to on_use 19:35 GreenDimond meaning? 19:35 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3834 19:36 GreenDimond oh player:get_wield_index should be waffles:toaster_waffle_pack_2? 19:36 GreenDimond or... 19:36 sfan5 what 19:36 GreenDimond in the remove_empty_pack 19:36 GreenDimond if you read the code 19:36 sfan5 throw remove_empty_pack(player) away 19:36 sfan5 it's broken 19:36 GreenDimond ... 19:37 GreenDimond it is? 19:37 GreenDimond works for other things tho... 19:37 sfan5 replace itemstack, was_success = remove_empty_pack(user) with itemstack:take_item() 19:37 sfan5 also return itemstack 19:37 sfan5 GreenDimond: but it's broken in this particular case because you are supposed to do it differently 19:37 GreenDimond which one? in the function def? 19:38 sfan5 itemstack, was_success = remove_empty_pack(user) occurrs a single time in your paste 19:38 GreenDimond yeah nvm what I said 19:38 GreenDimond "works for other things" 19:38 GreenDimond ^forget that 19:39 sfan5 it will definitely work for other things but no in this case 19:39 GreenDimond K updated did I do it right? 19:39 sfan5 no 19:39 GreenDimond wrong spot? 19:40 sfan5 yes completely wrong spot 19:40 GreenDimond ah methinks i c 19:40 sfan5 please take a look at your file and tell me on which like you find this: itemstack, was_success = remove_empty_pack(user) 19:40 sfan5 line* 19:41 GreenDimond yep L30 I see it now 19:41 GreenDimond better? 19:41 sfan5 kinda 19:42 GreenDimond return is in the wrong spot isnt it 19:42 sfan5 what about the "if was_success [...] end" ? 19:42 sfan5 indeed 19:42 GreenDimond what about it? 19:42 GreenDimond k fixed the return (i hope) 19:43 sfan5 the return is in the correct place now 19:43 sfan5 but where is "was_success" defined? 19:43 GreenDimond at the top area 19:43 GreenDimond local was_success = ret:get_count() == 1 19:43 sfan5 no that function is not called 19:43 GreenDimond it isnt? 19:43 GreenDimond but it is called at L31.. 19:44 sfan5 no 19:44 GreenDimond "if was_success then"? 19:44 sfan5 that's not a function call 19:44 GreenDimond oh.. 19:44 sfan5 besides it would need to say "remove_empty_pack" if it was one 19:45 sfan5 here's the solution: you can remove the if clause because take_item() is always successful 19:45 GreenDimond wait what? 19:45 GreenDimond remove the if was_success? 19:45 sfan5 friendly advice: learn to program before writing mods that do more than just defining decorative nodes 19:45 sfan5 yes 19:46 GreenDimond HAH. I do more than just decorative nodes -_- 19:46 sfan5 yes and that's why you should learn to program properly 19:46 GreenDimond And I do know how to program. Just not as well as I want to. 19:47 GreenDimond when defining the remove function I can remove the was_success on the local and return too right? 19:47 sfan5 remove_empty_pack() is unused entirely and you can remove the whole function 19:48 GreenDimond ah. 19:48 GreenDimond thankyou. 19:48 GreenDimond it should look correct now? 19:50 GreenDimond Well, it works. So I would assume it is right :D 19:50 sfan5 yes 19:51 GreenDimond Now I suppose any other function that did the same thing would need to be changed accordingly? 19:51 sfan5 indeed 19:52 GreenDimond wtf I defined a function and never used it? lol. 19:55 GreenDimond heyyy that fixed another problem I was having :D 21:25 red-002 wow building minetest on arch is really easy 21:44 Calinou well, the AUR makes it easier for sure 21:44 Calinou `yaourt -S minetest-git` 21:44 Calinou [insert obligatory "yaourt is evil, you should use pacaur like a BADASS GUY!!!" rant from someone here] 21:45 sfan5 i think you want minetest-leveldb-git instead 21:45 red-002 ^ 21:47 Calinou what if you don't use LevelDB? :P 21:47 Calinou (like, most people who play mostly or only multiplayer) 21:48 sfan5 then you're likely fine with the stable ver 22:13 Calinou sfan5: stable releases aren't very frequent in Minetest, so having Git for a regular player is definitely worthwile 22:13 Calinou worthwhile* 22:13 Calinou there's like… one release every 6 months at best 22:14 sfan5 still more up-to-date than debian 22:14 sfan5 or ubuntu 22:17 Fixer debian stable has minetest 0.4.10, CARL 22:17 Fixer 0.4.10 is like 2 billion years ago 22:18 ircSparky The dinosaurs played it 22:18 Fixer exactly 22:18 Calinou that's why we should distribute officiall AppImages :P 22:19 Calinou we need someone to script its creation, though 22:20 calculon debian sid has 0.4.15 22:20 Calinou yes, but casual users basically never use Debian sid :P 22:21 calculon yes, that's true 22:21 calculon the debian problem is that people are afraid of this "unstable" thing :) 22:22 Calinou we can make an AppImage that targets Ubuntu 14.04 and later, and we can support all more recent distros at the same time 22:22 Calinou while getting optional compression, signing, delta updates, desktop integration… 22:22 Calinou users won't need to install any additional libraries, and they can run it without root access 22:22 Calinou this also works for servers 23:29 swift110 hey all 23:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Hey, swift110! 23:37 swift110 hey JohnnyComeL8ly 23:39 JohnnyComeL8ly I've been banned from Freenode by my IP... (on a neighbor's connection right now). I have no idea what I did to get that. 23:55 calculon JohnnyComeL8ly, a bad connection maybe ? 23:55 calculon but i'm not sure you can be banned from the whole server 23:56 JohnnyComeL8ly It happened.... lol 23:57 calculon wow, then you should ask on #freenode i guess