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00:17 OldCoder dragon_, you will need to register a nick
00:17 OldCoder That one is likely to be taken
00:17 OldCoder Register a nick and PM me please after
00:17 OldCoder Oops, sorry
00:17 OldCoder Wrong channel, never mind!
00:17 OldCoder
00:18 OldCoder ^ As dear Emily Litella used to say
00:18 dragon_ can i talk to u
00:18 dragon_ in private
00:18 OldCoder Moment
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00:20 OldCoder halt_, wb
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01:13 GreenDimond So I have a peculiar modding problem
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01:15 OldCoder GreenDimond, speak
01:15 OldCoder queek
01:15 OldCoder Let the issue leak
01:15 OldCoder We will take a peek
01:16 OldCoder Hm
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01:16 GreenDimond I have an item I want to remove from the player on_use. It is 'removed', but it is still in my hand, but it does not function any more. i can put an item over it in the inven, but make the slot empty again and it is in my hand again.
01:16 GreenDimond code: https://gist.github.com/GreenXenit​h/69679abeeb0d3b3cf4762f701d3dc8c5
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01:59 ircSparky does "minetest.clear_registered_biomes()" keep things from growning
01:59 ircSparky ?
01:59 ircSparky growing
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02:32 ThomasMonroe_ i think so sparky
02:32 ThomasMonroe_ but im not sure
02:32 ThomasMonroe_ i would assume so
02:33 ThomasMonroe_ or maybe it falls back on some default biome
02:33 ThomasMonroe_ ircSparky ^
02:56 ircSparky ok
02:57 ircSparky WELL
02:57 ircSparky op
02:57 ircSparky i wanted the biomes to be mostly stone
02:57 ircSparky so i did that
02:57 ircSparky but saplings arent growing, and dirt isnt growing grass with sunlight
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03:20 paramat saplings need dirt or similar under them to grow
03:20 paramat clearing biomes does not stop things growing
03:21 paramat dirt only grows grass if grass spreads from a neighbouring node
03:22 paramat tree saplings take at least a standard MT day to grow
03:22 paramat saplings need to be under open sky, or next to a meselamp
03:23 paramat and on a node with group 'soil = 1'
03:27 paramat ^ ircSparky
03:32 cheapie Well, this was "fun" to clean up: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/im​ages/screenshot_20170425_214559.png
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03:37 garywhite What happened there?
03:40 ircSparky Ok, thanks, gnight all
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05:25 MinetestBot [git] BluebirdGreycoat -> minetest/minetest: Tiny documentation fix. (#5659) 70ceeb8 https://git.io/v9YlS (2017-04-26T05:24:15Z)
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06:46 HowdyHey <VanessaE> and therein lies your failure.
06:46 HowdyHey <OldCoder> Failure smailure. Aren't you Jewish? If so, how do you feel about the smug Anti-Semites who are pleased by the burning of the Jews? You defend them. I'll not do so. They belong to me.
06:46 HowdyHey <OldCoder> If you'll not stand up for those who are born or perceived as different, that is your failure. Do not presume to lecture *me* on the subject.
06:47 HowdyHey <OldCoder> But I carry enough determination for both of us.
06:47 HowdyHey <OldCoder> That is the point. You should be asleep.
06:47 HowdyHey <VanessaE> and as for the "burning Jews" argument, non-sequitur aside, you clearly fail in your assumption that I would defend anti-semites
06:47 HowdyHey <VanessaE> and you should not lecture ME on the concept of people born different.
06:47 HowdyHey <OldCoder> I should not need to lecture you on this issue. Yet you insist on it. That is also the point How can you do this?
06:47 HowdyHey <OldCoder> I fought against fear and exhaustion to attempt to help. But even you revile the difference. I can't type as others do. When I am confused or stressed. If this is considered a failing, such as being unable to walk...
07:26 Fritigern Why the hell is this asshole "HeyHo" sending me a query pasting some kind of argument between oldcoder and vanessa?
07:26 red-002 so why are we dumping logs now?
07:27 red-002 use pastebin if you have to
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07:28 VanessaE Fritigern: ask him yourself.
07:28 red-002 Fritigern, pretty sure it's oldcoder
07:28 VanessaE it IS oldcoder.
07:28 red-002 it's his style
07:28 red-002 just /ignore him
07:29 Fritigern I couldn;t care less who he is. He is trying to drag me into something which has nothing to do with me. This shit is NOT welcome and I would like for his IP to get blocked are banned
07:30 Fritigern *or
07:30 red-002 Fritigern, ignore all the ip's recently banned on -dev
07:30 red-002 and anyone with the ident of "root"
07:31 red-002 that should cover most of his ip's
07:36 Fritigern I am being harassed for NO reason at all, dragged into some argument which I was no part of nor wanted any part of. If this is not bannable behaviour, then what is?
07:37 red-002 well he got banned from -dev
07:37 VanessaE Fritigern: PM'ing you or something?
07:37 Fritigern And he just queried me again, telling me to be polite.
07:37 red-002 we should lose op here imo
07:37 red-002 Fritigern, yeah that's what he does
07:37 Fritigern So yes, he sent me those logs without any reason whatsoever
07:38 Fritigern Just ban him and be done with his BS forever, just keep him out of here and keep this place the peaceful one that it once was
07:39 red-002 ^
07:40 sfan5 Fritigern: you do realize we can't ban people from sending you pms
07:40 Fritigern And yes, I blocked him, so who will he PM next? And after that? And after that one?
07:40 sfan5 if more people are bothered freenode staff can be talked to about a kline
07:40 Fritigern You can ban him from this channel, and thus keep the user list from him
07:43 * VanessaE sighs
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08:10 Kray why the fuck someone is flooding me with log from apparently this channel
08:12 VanessaE well he's finally gone to bed
08:12 VanessaE guess I wore him out :P
08:12 Kray no he did it right now
08:12 Kray 4 minutes ago
08:15 * VanessaE shrugs
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08:34 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Hug An Australian Day! 😃  🐨
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14:00 muhdnurhidayat can I know if there's any specific forum for Minetest Wiki? or where should I ask about it?
14:01 muhdnurhidayat I think I need a page to explain on the Malay translations as so any future translators would be consistent with what's being translated in weblate and in wiki now...
14:01 muhdnurhidayat I'll also add english explanation if needed in that page...
14:03 muhdnurhidayat things like how certain words being used (eg. "intan" instead of "berlian" for diamond), and how certain words should not be use (the uncommon polite-form "anda" instead of more-common sometime offensive "kamu" for "you")
14:04 Elench ikuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt​tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttik bbggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg​ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg​ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
14:04 red-002 well we got spam
14:04 Elench Whoops, sorry, cat
14:04 red-002 lol
14:05 muhdnurhidayat I'm talking about Malay though, not Indonesian... I know what Elench is writing
14:05 Elench She hit enter when fighting me to pick her off the keyboard
14:06 muhdnurhidayat Indonesian is using "berlian" as translation for all "diamond"-related stuffs... but in Malay "berlian" is specifically for the diamond itself, the ore and tools need to use "intan" instead... so it needs to be mentioned somewhere as reference...
14:07 muhdnurhidayat and many other language notes...
14:08 muhdnurhidayat I know German also have this kind of notes, but it's in dev's wiki... if it's in the main wiki then I would already duplicate that and change contents to put the language notes...
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14:15 twoelk you could translate http://wiki.minetest.net/Wiki_guidelines and add a link to a special page if needed and no similar page exists in the english wiki
14:17 muhdnurhidayat lol, red... -- @twoelk you mean create pages that start with Special: or just making subpages from the translation page ?? like Wiki_guidelines/ms/Translation notes ??
14:18 twoelk btw, what part of Malaysia do you come from? I lived in Sarawak for some years as a kid. I have forgotten most Malay or Iban I  knew as child though
14:18 twoelk I wouldn't make a special page but opinions may differ
14:18 muhdnurhidayat I'm from Kedah... but I know standard Malay enough to translate without being influenced by Kedah Malay...
14:20 muhdnurhidayat Kedah Malay has more words that different from standard Malay, like "hang" for "you" instead of polite "anda", casual "kamu" or intimate "awak"...
14:20 twoelk I would suggest you put it in the wiki_guidelines page in an extra section for a start and maybe move it to an own page later
14:21 twoelk I once started the Longhouse article in wikipedia in Malay, seems my malay was antique as most spelling got corrected
14:23 twoelk I had copied it from an old text I had done for school in the seventies, may have been full of mistakes then allready
14:24 muhdnurhidayat oh... yes. the ch has changed to c... old "cherita" is now spelled "cerita" and many more changes... but even singapore, brunei and cocos uses the newer Malay spellings...
14:24 twoelk I cant remember using "hang", but remember anda or maybe andu? so long ago
14:25 muhdnurhidayat "hang" is in Kedah Malay... it's not existed in standard Malay that people learn in school... xD "anda" is used on textbooks...
14:27 muhdnurhidayat Kedah Malay is a dialect of Malay, though there's been issue that it might be separate language... it has it's own ISO code "meo"... standard Malay uses the ISO code "ms" and "msa"...
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14:27 twoelk interesting, and now I struggle with the new reformed german spelling :-D
14:28 twoelk where I live we have "Plattdeutsch" as own language, though you seldom hear it on the streets anymore
14:30 twoelk I guess the few words of malay I still remember are mostly related to geography and naming of places
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14:30 muhdnurhidayat something like "sungai" (river) ? xD
14:31 twoelk yep I lived in a Jalan Sungai
14:31 muhdnurhidayat many places name came from geography anyway, even "kuala lumpur" which literally means "muddy confluence"...
14:33 twoelk I remember. That Jalan Sungai was in Kuala Baleit in Brunei
14:34 muhdnurhidayat anyway, I need to get off to eat my dinner... I'll get to making the wiki translation later... thanks for that page creation suggestion... xD
14:34 twoelk in Miri I lived on Tanjong Lobang, nicely on the cliff overlooking the sea
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17:09 Telesight Hello all: How do I stop leafdecay of one certain leaftype?
17:13 Krock ugly fix: set their param(1) to 0
17:14 Telesight @Krock Ok let me see
17:16 Krock if it's a node in default, you'd have to use minetest.override_item to remove the timers
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17:19 Telesight It is this one: minetest.register_node("default:acacia_leaves", {
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17:21 Telesight And if I remove from the leafdecay group in this line?: groups = {snappy = 3, leafdecay = 3, flammable = 2, leaves = 1},
17:23 Krock as of 0.4.15-dev (HEAD) there are node timers that replaced the ABMs in MTG
17:24 Krock I'm not sure what version you've got. Check against "leafdecay_on_timer" in default/functions.lua
17:24 ThomasMonroe hi Krock
17:24 Krock hi Tre
17:25 Telesight 0.4.15
17:25 sofar you could override the on_timers for leaves to an empty function
17:25 sofar with 0.4.15 release you'd need to remove the abm
17:25 sofar which you can't
17:26 Krock why so complicated?
17:26 Krock override the groups
17:26 Krock or as you said, remove the leafdecay = 3 value from it
17:26 Krock but that's not a good solution as it results in conflicts when you pull the latest changes from git
17:27 Krock doing it over a seperate mod to "patch" your MTG is a better idea, as we've already got the functions to make this possible
17:28 Telesight @Krock I will remove it from the decaygroup, I keep it in mind when I update ...;-)
17:29 Krock !next
17:29 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
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17:38 Paul27 There's someone on the community that can host a server (ever for a short period of time)?
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17:56 Paul27 Bye
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19:11 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix #5655 (#5658) ff1ef67 https://git.io/v93TD (2017-04-26T19:10:13Z)
19:14 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix Android build since 2818d3f2244d2146a5cdb61cd41f6561c514f97c 1670bc7 https://git.io/v93k3 (2017-04-26T19:11:46Z)
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19:31 GreenDimond So I have a strange modding problem.
19:31 GreenDimond I have an item I want to remove from the player on_use. It is 'removed', but it is still in my hand, but it does not function any more. i can put an item over it in the inven, but make the slot empty again and it is in my hand again.
19:31 GreenDimond code: https://gist.github.com/GreenXenit​h/69679abeeb0d3b3cf4762f701d3dc8c5
19:35 sfan5 GreenDimond: you are supposed to change the "itemstack" that is passed to on_use
19:35 GreenDimond meaning?
19:35 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3834
19:36 GreenDimond oh player:get_wield_index should be waffles:toaster_waffle_pack_2?
19:36 GreenDimond or...
19:36 sfan5 what
19:36 GreenDimond in the remove_empty_pack
19:36 GreenDimond if you read the code
19:36 sfan5 throw remove_empty_pack(player) away
19:36 sfan5 it's broken
19:36 GreenDimond ...
19:37 GreenDimond it is?
19:37 GreenDimond works for other things tho...
19:37 sfan5 replace  itemstack, was_success = remove_empty_pack(user)  with  itemstack:take_item()
19:37 sfan5 also  return itemstack
19:37 sfan5 GreenDimond: but it's broken in this particular case because you are supposed to do it differently
19:37 GreenDimond which one? in the function def?
19:38 sfan5 itemstack, was_success = remove_empty_pack(user) occurrs a single time in your paste
19:38 GreenDimond yeah nvm what I said
19:38 GreenDimond "works for other things"
19:38 GreenDimond ^forget that
19:39 sfan5 it will definitely work for other things but no in this case
19:39 GreenDimond K updated did I do it right?
19:39 sfan5 no
19:39 GreenDimond wrong spot?
19:40 sfan5 yes completely wrong spot
19:40 GreenDimond ah methinks i c
19:40 sfan5 please take a look at your file and tell me on which like you find this: itemstack, was_success = remove_empty_pack(user)
19:40 sfan5 line*
19:41 GreenDimond yep L30 I see it now
19:41 GreenDimond better?
19:41 sfan5 kinda
19:42 GreenDimond return is in the wrong spot isnt it
19:42 sfan5 what about the "if was_success [...] end" ?
19:42 sfan5 indeed
19:42 GreenDimond what about it?
19:42 GreenDimond k fixed the return (i hope)
19:43 sfan5 the return is in the correct place now
19:43 sfan5 but where is "was_success" defined?
19:43 GreenDimond at the top area
19:43 GreenDimond local was_success = ret:get_count() == 1
19:43 sfan5 no that function is not called
19:43 GreenDimond it isnt?
19:43 GreenDimond but it is called at L31..
19:44 sfan5 no
19:44 GreenDimond "if was_success then"?
19:44 sfan5 that's not a function call
19:44 GreenDimond oh..
19:44 sfan5 besides it would need to say "remove_empty_pack" if it was one
19:45 sfan5 here's the solution: you can remove the if clause because take_item() is always successful
19:45 GreenDimond wait what?
19:45 GreenDimond remove the if was_success?
19:45 sfan5 friendly advice: learn to program before writing mods that do more than just defining decorative nodes
19:45 sfan5 yes
19:46 GreenDimond HAH. I do more than just decorative nodes -_-
19:46 sfan5 yes and that's why you should learn to program properly
19:46 GreenDimond And I do know how to program. Just not as well as I want to.
19:47 GreenDimond when defining the remove function I can remove the was_success on the local and return too right?
19:47 sfan5 remove_empty_pack() is unused entirely and you can remove the whole function
19:48 GreenDimond ah.
19:48 GreenDimond thankyou.
19:48 GreenDimond it should look correct now?
19:50 GreenDimond Well, it works. So I would assume it is right :D
19:50 sfan5 yes
19:51 GreenDimond Now I suppose any other function that did the same thing would need to be changed accordingly?
19:51 sfan5 indeed
19:52 GreenDimond wtf I defined a function and never used it? lol.
19:55 GreenDimond heyyy that fixed another problem I was having :D
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21:25 red-002 wow building minetest on arch is really easy
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21:44 Calinou well, the AUR makes it easier for sure
21:44 Calinou `yaourt -S minetest-git`
21:44 Calinou [insert obligatory "yaourt is evil, you should use pacaur like a BADASS GUY!!!" rant from someone here]
21:45 sfan5 i think you want minetest-leveldb-git instead
21:45 red-002 ^
21:47 Calinou what if you don't use LevelDB? :P
21:47 Calinou (like, most people who play mostly or only multiplayer)
21:48 sfan5 then you're likely fine with the stable ver
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22:13 Calinou sfan5: stable releases aren't very frequent in Minetest, so having Git for a regular player is definitely worthwile
22:13 Calinou worthwhile*
22:13 Calinou there's like… one release every 6 months at best
22:14 sfan5 still more up-to-date than debian
22:14 sfan5 or ubuntu
22:17 Fixer debian stable has minetest 0.4.10, CARL
22:17 Fixer 0.4.10 is like 2 billion years ago
22:18 ircSparky The dinosaurs played it
22:18 Fixer exactly
22:18 Calinou that's why we should distribute officiall AppImages :P
22:19 Calinou we need someone to script its creation, though
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22:20 calculon debian sid has 0.4.15
22:20 Calinou yes, but casual users basically never use Debian sid :P
22:21 calculon yes, that's true
22:21 calculon the debian problem is that people are afraid of this "unstable" thing :)
22:22 Calinou we can make an AppImage that targets Ubuntu 14.04 and later, and we can support all more recent distros at the same time
22:22 Calinou while getting optional compression, signing, delta updates, desktop integration…
22:22 Calinou users won't need to install any additional libraries, and they can run it without root access
22:22 Calinou this also works for servers
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23:29 swift110 hey all
23:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Hey, swift110!
23:37 swift110 hey JohnnyComeL8ly
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23:39 JohnnyComeL8ly I've been banned from Freenode by my IP... (on a neighbor's connection right now).  I have no idea what I did to get that.
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23:55 calculon JohnnyComeL8ly, a bad connection maybe ?
23:55 calculon but i'm not sure you can be banned from the whole server
23:56 JohnnyComeL8ly It happened.... lol
23:57 calculon wow, then you should ask on #freenode i guess

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