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00:57 Calinou thePalindrome: yay for pony avatar on GitHub :P
00:59 Calinou just as a note, I once heard pitch shifting on compressed sounds (Minetest only supports .ogg sounds, not .wav sounds) can be fairly CPU-intensive
00:59 Calinou although, it probably doesn't matter on desktops
00:59 Calinou (this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/2727#issuecomment-294319387)
00:59 thePalindrome Aye
01:00 Calinou this is just hearsay though, I know many games which do it successfully
01:00 thePalindrome Even a java based game :P
01:01 Calinou I forgot if Minecraft uses .wav or .ogg sounds for samples, it looks like the latest versions no longer include the files directly, not even in a .jar
01:01 Calinou or they're renamed randomly (I found my player skin that way)
01:01 Calinou seems to be .ogg, yeah
01:02 thePalindrome Just figured it'd be a nice feature to help break up the monotony
01:02 OldCoder Monotony?
01:02 Calinou yes, even classic Doom had random sound pitching, in 1993, but they broke it in later releases
01:03 Calinou (it was on .wav sounds though)
01:03 Calinou (well, .wav-like, uncompressed)
01:03 benrob0329 hello all
01:03 Calinou hi benrob0329
01:03 OldCoder benrob0329
01:03 thePalindrome herro
01:03 benrob0329 hi Calinou, OldCoder, thePalindrome
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01:51 waldo99 how do you adjust the distance that nametags are visible?
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01:54 waldo99 how do you adjust the distance that nametags are visible?
01:58 waldo99 how do you adjust the distance that nametags are visible for a server?
01:58 VanessaE stop repeating yourself, waldo99
02:09 kaeza waldo99, apparently there's `player_transfer_distance` in `minetest.conf`
02:09 waldo99 ok sorry
02:09 waldo99 ok thanks kaeza
02:10 kaeza grep is your friend
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02:20 waldo99 what is grep?
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02:25 kaeza baby don't hurt me
02:26 * VanessaE tosses some rolls at kaeza
02:26 Calinou waldo99: grep is a tool (usually found by default on UNIX-like systems, though it is available on Windows in various forms as well) that lets you search for text in files
02:27 waldo99 oh. Sorry I'm not a linux guru yet!
02:29 kaeza VanessaE, which kind of roll?
02:30 VanessaE well they sure as hell ain't egg rolls :)
02:30 kaeza heh
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02:35 fireglow troll rolls?
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02:54 OldCoder waldo99, type my nick if you return
02:56 ThomasMonroe hi OldCoder, Chem asked me if i knew you
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03:00 OldCoder ThomasMonroe, I don't recall; do you?
03:01 ThomasMonroe from here
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:17:02]  <Tre>30 i just set it up about an hour ago
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:17:07]  <Tre>30 :P
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:17:15]  <Tre>30 im using git-cola
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:18:11]  <OldCoder> git-cola ??
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:18:14]  <OldCoder> Hmm
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:18:21]  <OldCoder> cola git is a hit
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:18:26]  <OldCoder> you'll love it quite a bit
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:18:31]  <OldCoder> fizz here and fizz there
03:01 ThomasMonroe [18:18:47]  <OldCoder> git hit is full of... Hm
03:02 ThomasMonroe i gtg to bed
03:02 Mator_ o/
03:02 OldCoder o/
03:03 ThomasMonroe do you know CHem?
03:03 ThomasMonroe goodnight
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05:24 benrob0329 "You are a danger to society" really sofar, really?
05:25 benrob0329 How do you expect to get anywhere with such words?
05:26 OldCoder benrob0329, ?
05:26 OldCoder benrob0329, I don't know the context, but I assure you most people don't take responsibility for their words
05:26 benrob0329 Oh, there's a Creation vs Evolution argument in offtopic on the forums
05:27 OldCoder The remark should probably be made there, then
05:27 OldCoder Not that it's any skin off of my nose
05:27 * OldCoder suspects the offtopic section will just be shut down
05:27 OldCoder benrob0329, sofar is making Easter Baskets ATM FWIW
05:28 OldCoder For, presumably, children to play with tomorrow
05:28 OldCoder Regardless of their descent from created beings or pre-algae
05:28 sofar easter, you know, religious holiday?
05:28 OldCoder sofar, most people are familiar with it
05:29 OldCoder And didn't you say you were AFK ?
05:29 * sofar done hiding eggs
05:29 OldCoder Constructing aforementioned baskets?
05:29 OldCoder Ah
05:29 OldCoder Then comment on pixel issue you mentioned
05:29 OldCoder Are retro game things bad?
05:34 benrob0329 OldCoder: offtopic gets more and more loaded with crap as time goes on
05:34 benrob0329 Its really unfortunate
05:36 OldCoder benrob0329, people are insane enough about relevant things
05:37 OldCoder They do not understand
05:37 OldCoder the key rules of discussion, the basics
05:37 OldCoder There is therefore little point to an off-topic section
05:37 OldCoder As any entry to a subject involving feelings
05:37 OldCoder Is a black hole that sucks in all logic
05:37 OldCoder
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06:07 cx384 Happy Easter
06:11 benrob0329 Happy Unleavened Bread
06:11 benrob0329 /late Passover
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07:49 MinetestBot [git] Ekdohibs -> minetest/minetest: Disable android leveldb by default (#5596) d176364 https://git.io/vS5zt (2017-04-16T07:48:48Z)
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11:22 DS-minetest hi MinetestBot
11:22 MinetestBot Hey DS-minetest
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11:26 ^7heo moin
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12:44 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Android progressbar fix (#5601) 73de17a https://git.io/vS56O (2017-04-16T12:44:15Z)
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13:59 calculon hi there
13:59 calculon stupid question : i see many mods which distribute their code and textures under different licences
14:00 calculon code is generally gpl or wtfpl and textures under cc-by-sa
14:00 calculon is there a good reason to that ?
14:05 asie yes, source licenses don't tend to apply well to textures and vice versa
14:06 asie also CC really is the standard for open creative works
14:06 calculon ok, i see
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14:14 Salvakiya I need help
14:14 Salvakiya I am trying to get a mod working and it is not
14:15 Salvakiya specifically this mod
14:15 Salvakiya https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7427
14:16 asie first, i would very much argue if using Faithful constitutes as "legal distribution"
14:16 asie Faithful is very obviously a derivative of Mojang's own textures even if it has an open license
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14:26 Salvakiya I just cant seem to get it to work
14:26 Salvakiya whenever I generate a world... its all stone
14:26 Salvakiya =(
14:28 riff-IRC could you make a texturepack?
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14:32 riff-IRC Hey Fixer
14:32 riff-IRC Hey Wuzzy
14:32 Fixer hi
14:32 riff-IRC How are you?
14:34 Fixer as usual
14:34 Wuzzy yes
14:38 Salvakiya sigh
14:38 Salvakiya I am getting OOM errors
14:38 Salvakiya when LUA is only using 97mb
14:38 Salvakiya wtf?
14:40 riff-IRC lolwut?
14:41 Fixer Salvakiya: post exact error on pastebin
14:43 Salvakiya Fixer, is there an easy way to copy paste the error?
14:43 Fixer Salvakiya: debug.txt usually has it, just post it to http://pastebin.com/
14:45 Salvakiya Fixer, https://pastebin.com/P4reDf3C
14:45 Salvakiya funny thing is... I have minecraft and my wife does too.. but her computer cant run it well so we wanted to play minetest
14:45 Salvakiya but I want more content
14:45 Salvakiya =P
14:45 Fixer OOM error from mod 'mg_villages' in callback environment_OnGenerated()
14:45 Fixer kek
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14:46 Salvakiya yea...
14:46 Salvakiya no idea
14:46 Fixer Salvakiya: i had similar problems with lua, only really good method is using simple lua, from here if you are on windows, 0.4.15 stable https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/min​etest-0.4.15-noluajit-win64.7z
14:47 Fixer luajit has only 1gb mem available iirc
14:47 Salvakiya ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
14:48 Salvakiya how to install?
14:48 Salvakiya Fixer?
14:48 Salvakiya just copy and paste
14:48 Fixer Salvakiya: if on windows, just extract it into some folder, 7z is open source archiver can be found here http://www.7-zip.org/ (that is not my minetest build btw)
14:55 Salvakiya hmm
14:55 Salvakiya well it works now
14:55 Salvakiya I think the other mod is still broken
14:55 Salvakiya will test though
14:56 Salvakiya Fixer yea clonecraft and origins both generate landscapes without anything other than ores water and stone
14:56 Salvakiya =\
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15:11 kaeza saludos
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15:16 Salvakiya are there a set of mods to add content simmilar to terraria actually?
15:16 Salvakiya that would be ideal
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15:44 FritzPT Hello
15:45 DS-minetest hello FritzPT
15:45 DS-minetest hello MinetestBot
15:45 MinetestBot sup DS-minetest!
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15:45 kaeza Salvakiya, what kind of content, exactly?
16:00 Salvakiya kaeza what do you mean?
16:00 Salvakiya I wish minetest had more content
16:00 Salvakiya like mobs... farming and the like
16:01 Salvakiya minecraft has quite a bit of content but terraria has far more despite being 2d
16:01 kaeza Salvakiya, there's an app^Wmod for that
16:01 Salvakiya ?
16:02 kaeza Salvakiya, install some mods. most mechanics from terraria are already available in various forms
16:03 Salvakiya idk what mods are good though?
16:03 kaeza for mobs I suggest NSSM. contains lots of different kinds of monsters including flying and swimming ones
16:04 kaeza even a few "bosses"
16:04 kaeza !mod nssm
16:04 MinetestBot kaeza: Not So Simple Mobs [nssm] by npx - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11813
16:05 kaeza the one feature that's probably missing is the evil biome thing
16:14 benrob0329 Gooood mornin all!
16:15 benrob0329 MinetestBot!
16:15 MinetestBot benrob0329!
16:15 benrob0329 hello MinetestBot
16:15 MinetestBot Hey benrob0329!
16:15 benrob0329 Hello
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16:33 Salvakiya kaeza ill have a look
16:33 Salvakiya what about sheep and stuff?
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17:46 kaeza yey, phone now at least works
17:47 kaeza still no sim card, though
17:48 kaeza I'm now wondering if it's the actual sim card that is fried or something
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18:03 kaeza nope, that didn't work :/
18:19 Out`Of`Control try other sim
18:19 Out`Of`Control hi
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18:43 FritzPT hello MinetestBot
18:43 MinetestBot Hello FritzPT.
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19:11 FritzPT Hello
19:11 juhdanad Hello.
19:12 FritzPT I've made a small "howto" guide for minetest using a w3.css template. There are any license restrictions?
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19:15 juhdanad I'm not good in licenses, but I suppose that it is clearly your intellectual property and you can do anything with it.
19:15 juhdanad You should contact with sofar.
19:16 FritzPT Ok, thanks.
19:18 OldCoder Link to original w3.css ? FritzPT
19:18 FritzPT I'm  looking for it
19:19 FritzPT https://www.w3schools.com/​w3css/w3css_templates.asp (The "Interior Design Template")
19:32 OldCoder FritzPT, minute
19:32 OldCoder "You are free to modify, save, share, and use them in all your projects."
19:32 OldCoder Reviewing
19:33 FritzPT This means that those templates are public domain, right?
19:33 benrob0329 Why not just say CC0, or CC-BY ?
19:33 OldCoder FritzPT, sample file... wait
19:33 OldCoder FritzPT, sample file includes no license. No, they are not public domain. W3 holds copyright but grants you an implied WTFPL license.
19:34 OldCoder Use them as you wish. They do not even require attribution.
19:34 OldCoder You should probably document, in the code, where they came from.
19:34 OldCoder You might wish to document this part:
19:34 OldCoder "You are free to modify, save, share, and use them in all your projects."
19:34 OldCoder
19:34 FritzPT Alright, thanks.
19:34 OldCoder np
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19:35 OldCoder FritzPT, I answer questions, usually in #minetest-project. Join there when you like.
19:35 FritzPT Alright
19:35 OldCoder
19:35 OldCoder benrob0329, yes, it would be better if they stated an explicit license *or* said, public domain.
19:36 OldCoder But in the highly unlikely event of a dispute, Respondent in this case could say, "it's WTFPL".
19:47 Jordach >startup >Stop wasting valuable time with projects that just isn't you.
19:47 Jordach lmao
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20:03 juhdanad May I ask how do you celebrate Easter in your country? (I'm just curious of the traditions in other places)
20:03 benrob0329 I dont, I celebrate Passover
20:10 * VanessaE throws some matzah at benrob0329
20:11 * benrob0329 throws some matzah ball soup at VanessaE
20:11 VanessaE not kosher for passover :)
20:11 VanessaE (but we're reform.  we'll eat pizza during passover :P )
20:13 benrob0329 How is matza ball soup not kosher for passover?
20:13 benrob0329 its not leavened
20:17 juhdanad We in Hungary visit our female relatives, tell a poem to them and sprout perfume onto their head (like watering plants) so they won't wither.
20:18 VanessaE benrob0329: oh there's some BS claim about the matzah being in water for too long
20:18 VanessaE keep it wet, it leavens or some such (even though there's no baking soda or yeast)
20:19 juhdanad In the old times boys went from house to house with buckets full of water, and girls prepared a lot of dry clothes for this day.
20:22 VanessaE benrob0329: besides, the way I've always understood it, if you strip away all the rabbinical stuff, not only is it supposed to be *bread* e.g. more like tortillas or pita than a cracker, you were only supposed to add that to your diet for the week and choose it over leavened stuff where practical (and where time wouldn't be a factor - as it is the "bread of haste"), not utterly eliminate the leavened stuff/
20:23 VanessaE s/wouldn\'t/would/
20:23 benrob0329 VanessaE: indeed
20:23 juhdanad another sed command...
20:24 OldCoder juhdanad, you are Hungary
20:24 OldCoder ?
20:24 juhdanad Yes, why?
20:24 * OldCoder is half Austria-Hungary
20:25 * OldCoder was supposed to visit Hungary about 25 years ago but did not
20:26 juhdanad Good for you. You don't have to learn German. I'm struggling with it.
20:28 OldCoder juhdanad, I only know a little German. I was referring to ancestry.
20:28 OldCoder Great-grandparents on that side came over circa World War I.
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21:17 Markow juhdanad: You in Hungary? I'm in Poland, greetings to you neighbor. ;)
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21:17 Markow ...and Happy Easter / Happy Passover to all!
21:18 riff-IRC :)
21:20 benrob0329 Markow: happy week of dry cracker things :-)
21:20 Markow Tomorrow is a funny holiday here in Poland: Dyngus Śmygus, or "Wet  Monday". Boys douse girls with water and even throw them in streams, and old tradition.
21:21 Markow Also, many pranks are played.
21:21 benrob0329 Interesting
21:22 juhdanad Markow: hi! We have the same tradition.
21:23 Markow juhdanad: Yes, it's quite common all over Central Europe actually, including Czech and Slovakia
21:23 juhdanad But here we also tell a poem.
21:23 Markow Oh, there are many other things done which I have not mentioned
21:24 Markow It's also a huge day of "courting" a bride, etc, and much more.
21:24 * Markow is a native Manhattan, New York City guy living in Europe since 2002 ;)
21:25 juhdanad Why did you move (if I may ask)?
21:26 Markow juhdanad: Several reasons actually, they vary. I had always dreamed of living in Europe one day, to own property here, typcially American fantasy which became a reality for me.
21:27 juhdanad I didn't know Americans wish to live elsewhere.
21:27 Markow Many Americans also do the same by purchasing farmhouses in rural Italy or France
21:27 Markow Then they renovate the properties
21:27 Markow juhdanad: Lot's of American expats here in Europe, especially near me in Kraków
21:28 Markow I'll tell you one thing I learned from living here: Life is nicer, more pleasant, much less stressful than it was living in New York City
21:28 swift110 hey all
21:28 swift110 Markow: oh goodness I couldnt live somewhere with that many people
21:29 Markow swift110: Manhattan (East Village to be exact) was too hectic, too crowded, etc
21:29 juhdanad Well, most educated Hungarian people want to live in Western Europe or America.
21:30 Markow I think the America people see on television leads to a false impression of prosperity
21:30 juhdanad They believe that they will be better treated and get better payments than there.
21:31 juhdanad But not me. I like my country.
21:31 Markow juhdanad: The higher salary comes at a much higher price in the USA, in the form of high rents, high housing prices, and very high insurance and property taxes.
21:31 Markow In the end, it all evens out
21:31 juhdanad It's good to know.
21:32 Markow juhdanad: In NYC, I rented an expensive flat which was boring. Here in Poland for example, I own over 40 hectares of my own land and pay a fraction of what property owners in the USA would pay
21:33 Markow I really should publish a book on life of an American Expat in Europe ;)
21:34 juhdanad In my country a bread's cost (1 kg) is only about 0.85 USD. I don't know how expensive it is in America.
21:35 Markow Here in Poland, an extremely huge loaf of delicious, fresh bread without any preservatives, chemicals, and w/o bleached flour costs only $ 0.50 USD
21:35 Markow juhdanad: In the USA, too much of the food is processed, including the bread
21:36 Markow juhdanad: I haven't visited Hungary yet, but it's in my plans
21:36 Markow I also would like to see Romania
21:37 * Markow apologizes for being off-topic
21:37 benrob0329 Oh come on, now I want to visit Europe
21:38 Markow benrob0329: If you visit Europe, you may not want to leave after that :)
21:38 Markow But in my view and opinion, Central Europe is so much better as far as quality of life than Western Europe is
21:38 juhdanad Well, this is the off-topic channel, isn't it? And I started the whole thing after all, ant I don't regret doing it.
21:39 Markow juhdanad: It's a topic I enjoy very much actually
21:40 juhdanad And I suppose you learned the Polish language and work there too.
21:41 Markow juhdanad: Yes, I learned it after about 8 years, without any formal schooling, I picked it up, surprisingly
21:42 Markow Now I'm working on learning German, a good language to know
21:42 juhdanad Whoa, I wouldn't dare to live in a country which I don't now the language of.
21:43 juhdanad *know
21:43 Markow juhdanad: That's part of what made my entire experience here in Europe so wonderful, that challenge of learning a language I didn't know
21:44 juhdanad And what brought you to the Minetest communtiy?
21:44 Markow juhdanad: I enjoy the game :)
21:45 Markow The creative part of it: Building, constructing, designing
21:46 Markow It's a great form of innovative release into the virtual world
21:46 juhdanad Well, my hobby is game programming. This is what I like most in Minetest - I can improve it and make other people happy.
21:47 Markow Very nice!
21:47 juhdanad If you're interested, this is my current project: #5186
21:48 Markow Thanks for the info
21:48 Markow Are you in Budapest?
21:48 juhdanad No, near Szeged, in Southern Hungary.
21:48 Markow Ah, ok, I know about the city
21:49 juhdanad I like this place because the sun there shines the most.
21:49 Markow I'm 85 km south-east from Kraków, in a rural area
21:49 Markow In the Carpathian Mountains
21:50 Markow Just to let you know, the nearest large city to me, Tarnów, has very strong connections with Hungary
21:51 Markow There was a General Jozef Bem, from Tarnów, who fought for Hungarian Independence a long time ago
21:52 Markow His mausoleum is in an elegant park in Tarnów, also a statue of him in the Old Town district
21:52 juhdanad I know him!
21:52 juhdanad In Hungarian: Bem József
21:52 Markow On ul. Krakowska, Hungary donated a gorgeous all-wooden gate to one of the parks there
21:53 Markow The carvings on the gate are very intricate
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21:57 benrob0329 Hi kaeza
21:57 Markow So much history and culture in Europe, another reason I love it, to be surrounded by so many countries that all have their unique way of doing things.
21:57 kaeza hi benrob0329
21:59 OldCoder Markow, may I purchase a small flat in the country? But Schengen Zone would kick me out
22:00 Markow OldCoder: Yes, you may. Real Estate laws (in Poland) do not forbid non-citizen foreigners from buying flats, which are a bargain here.
22:01 Markow But for a foreignger to purchase land, especially farmland or forest, there are many restrictions. Thankfully, I purchased everything prior to these laws were enacted.
22:01 Markow *foreigner
22:01 OldCoder Markow, but Schengen Zone will not permit me to stay
22:01 OldCoder Regrettably
22:01 Markow OldCoder: There are many ways around it.
22:02 OldCoder Then PM me your email address and in a few years perhaps I will inquire for advice
22:02 Markow For example, if your US passport allows you to stay for only 6 months, you simply cross the border, have it stamped, and re-enter the country
22:02 OldCoder I was supposed to move there in Fall 2012...
22:02 OldCoder Oh, they don't like that :-)
22:02 Markow They don't mind it
22:02 OldCoder Schengen Zone rules no longer allow that
22:02 OldCoder Cross border does not work
22:02 Markow There is an English couple living near me, they don't have citizenship here, and they do that
22:03 Markow They cross into Ukraine, which is very close by
22:03 OldCoder I see
22:03 Markow And they step over (literally) the border
22:03 OldCoder PM me your email address and in a few years perhaps I will inquire for advice.
22:03 OldCoder I must rebuild first
22:03 Markow OldCoder: What city was you supposed to move to?
22:04 OldCoder I don't recall. It was described to me as a nice small town. I have the name somewhere.
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