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00:01 GreenDimond They are?
00:01 GreenDimond I don't see any mods on...
00:01 GreenDimond Except you...
00:02 GreenDimond And now not you.
00:03 GreenDimond I dont think anyone is on it.
00:04 rdococ hi GreenDimond!
00:04 rdococ yay!
00:04 GreenDimond Hi rdococ.
00:05 GreenDimond No one is doing anything to these spammers >:o
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00:06 GreenDimond VanessaE?
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00:07 GreenDimond Do you see this? Children browse the forum and some person is putting links to a dating/sex site >:(
00:09 GreenDimond And no one is doing a thing. Wow. ._.
00:10 red-002 no one is online?
00:12 GreenDimond No mods.
00:12 GreenDimond Well, VE is but isn't doing anything.
00:18 VanessaE GreenDimond: I am busy right now, someone else will have to do it.
00:19 GreenDimond But no one is on D:
00:19 GreenDimond and you were on the forum a bit ago!
00:19 GreenDimond Fine.
00:20 GreenDimond sfan5 Calinou ShadowNinja one of you that is available atm there are 2 spammers on the forum.
00:21 Calinou I think it's gone now
00:22 GreenDimond Both are now gone :D
00:22 GreenDimond Thanks whoever did that I think it was Calinou! :D
00:22 Calinou now I can finish playing E1M4 recreation by Romero :P
00:22 Calinou (this: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Phobos_Mission_Control)
00:22 Calinou I can't find sleep, so I'm trying random PWADs, and I decided to try those first because "they're made by a cool guy"™
00:23 GreenDimond xD lol
00:23 VanessaE there, dealt with the spammer
00:23 Calinou VanessaE: you may have ninja'd me
00:23 GreenDimond oh that was you?
00:23 VanessaE and I find no reference to "alicemulk"
00:23 VanessaE (or aliceemulk"
00:23 VanessaE )
00:23 GreenDimond Calinou got to her first.
00:23 VanessaE ok
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00:24 GreenDimond Thanks guys! :)
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01:33 VanessaE oh, and I reiterate from earlier..  IRC on a phone sucks.
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01:42 ThomasMonroe hey VanessaE how do i set up a repository in git?
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01:42 VanessaE go to github and read :)
01:42 ThomasMonroe haha
01:43 ThomasMonroe :)
01:43 VanessaE create an account first, then click the "+" icon, upper right next to your picture
01:43 VanessaE select "new repository" then give it a name and description, and from there github will tell you how to begin pushing to it
01:43 ThomasMonroe ok thanks
01:44 VanessaE yw.  good luck :)
01:45 ThomasMonroe i'll send you the link once i get it up
01:49 ThomasMonroe VanessaE : https://github.com/ThomasMonroe314/ExoticOres
01:55 VanessaE 404
01:59 VanessaE bbl
02:00 benrob0329 BBL?
02:02 ircSparky Be back later
02:04 Tre hmm
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03:47 epoch nyan cat armor?
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04:18 benrob0329 sofar: should I tavel back a million years and try to find everyone's bagels?
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04:37 benrob0329 Gnight all
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07:08 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix fips_cipher_abort warning and other duplicate macros 1399678 https://git.io/vSMkp (2017-04-12T07:06:26Z)
07:17 rdococ hm.
07:17 rdococ what is reflowscan.cpp's role in the water physics system?
07:17 rdococ and its corresponding .h file ofc
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08:47 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Grilled Cheese Sandwich Day! 😃
08:50 redblade7 hi
08:52 Krock hello
08:52 Krock JamesTait, well, they're also tasty when not grilled
08:53 JamesTait Agreed - but I only currently have white bread in the house, and I'm really not fond of that unless it's grilled (and even then, not so much).
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08:53 JamesTait I could bake a loaf, but it wouldn't be ready by lunch time.
08:54 Krock :/
08:55 Krock Distance("shop", "JamesTrait") > 100m, I suppose
08:55 red-002 hi JamesTait
08:56 red-002 btw today is the day the polio vaccine was declared safe to use
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09:06 DS-minetest hi MinetestBot
09:06 MinetestBot Hey DS-minetest
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10:09 red-002 looks like matrix broke
10:09 sfan5 it likes to do that
10:10 PureTryOut[m] it didn't break, they restarted the bridges
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10:30 Megaf !server Megaf
10:30 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
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10:38 red-002 neat north korea has it's own linux distro
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10:48 PureTryOut[m] yup, RedStarOS
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10:58 Krock why not KimJongOS ?
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12:50 Blaxono Hey rubenwardy  :)
12:51 rubenwardy hi
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12:53 benrob0329 !ping
12:54 fireglow !server Enclave
12:54 MinetestBot fireglow: Free mining, Master Builders Enclave [DE/EN] | games.firc.de | Clients: 4/15, 2/7 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
12:55 Blaxono !ping
12:55 cx384 pong
12:55 sfan5 !server players:most
12:55 MinetestBot sfan5: Cash's World | 67.212.45.191 | Clients: 33/50, 35/49 | Version: 0.4.14-MT_Rocks! / Cashs_World | Ping: 118ms
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12:59 fireglow can you filter by age?
12:59 fireglow !server age:oldest
12:59 MinetestBot fireglow: No results
13:06 Wuzzy Who besides celeron55 has admin rights on forum.minetest.net?
13:07 Thomas-S https://forum.minetest.net/memb​erlist.php?mode=group&g=10
13:10 celeron55 https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbo​t-modules/blob/master/server.py#L87
13:11 celeron55 !server ping:most
13:11 MinetestBot celeron55: Lawless(Testing) | 133.242.187.31:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / minetest | Ping: 289ms
13:11 celeron55 lol
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13:13 fireglow aah
13:14 sfan5 i guess sorting by age would be kinda useful
13:15 sfan5 the code could use a rewrite anyway
13:20 AndDT Calinou: iirc you had an experience with building AppImages?
13:21 Calinou AndDT: yes
13:21 Calinou some slightly old AppImages are available here, https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/
13:21 Calinou should work on anything newer than Ubuntu 14.04
13:21 AndDT Did you use the binreloc?
13:22 Calinou binreloc?
13:22 Calinou no, I didn't edit the binary
13:22 Calinou so it gives warnings when starting it
13:22 Calinou but you can ignore them
13:23 AndDT ok
13:24 AndDT I just don't have spare disk space for my games, so I decided to build AppImages of them
13:26 AndDT So I tell configure to use /shar as datadir, then I sed -e "s:/shar/bzflag:share/bzflag:" -i usr/bin/bzflag (for example)
13:26 AndDT configure didn't allow me to set non-absolute paths
13:27 AndDT I patched it so now it allows, but when building process came to an end and it started to link binaries, libtool said that "I can't link binaries with non-absolute paths"
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14:02 fireglow DS-minetest: fridolin has asked when you will return ;)
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14:31 DS-minetest fireglow: i returned just now
14:39 Tre hi DS
14:40 DS-minetest hi Tre
14:40 Tre thanks for the feedback on my mod
14:40 DS-minetest oh an
14:40 DS-minetest d
14:40 DS-minetest hi MinetestBot
14:40 MinetestBot sup DS-minetest!
14:41 DS-minetest Tre: (use the [img]link[/img] thing in bbcode to post image (or quote my comment and look))
14:42 Tre ok thanks
14:43 fireglow DS-minetest: I think he meant to the server
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14:44 rdococ I would like a node to keep its metadata when obtained...
14:45 DS-minetest rdococ: since you can set itemstack meta, it's not that difficult
14:45 rdococ true
14:45 DS-minetest add a on_dig function and co.
14:45 rdococ will I have to create my own itemstack entity?
14:45 DS-minetest no
14:46 rdococ I mean LuaEntitySAO, not register_entity
14:46 DS-minetest i mean item
14:46 rdococ ah...
14:46 rdococ okay...
14:46 DS-minetest why add an extra entity?!
14:46 DS-minetest ¿
14:47 rdococ I didn't mean adding an extra entity to the game, I meant that... nevemrin
14:47 rdococ nevermind
14:47 DS-minetest ok
14:47 rdococ should I use minetest.node_dig?
14:48 DS-minetest i think so
14:48 rdococ it doesn't seem to show the itemstack
14:49 rdococ do I need access to the itemstack?
14:49 DS-minetest on_dig = func(pos, node, digger)
14:50 DS-minetest you have to add an item to the inventory
14:50 rdococ ah
14:50 DS-minetest https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3994
14:51 rdococ the thing is what about mods that change node_dig? or is that a bad idea to do in general?
14:51 Tre rdodoc i finished my mod!
14:51 rdococ yay!
14:51 MinetestBot [git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Fix inability to change metadata using stack:to_table() (#5547) 8350827 https://git.io/vSDU0 (2017-04-12T14:51:07Z)
14:51 Tre sort of
14:52 rdococ er
14:52 rdococ again, what I said earlier
14:52 DS-minetest rdococ: just do the default thing with the addition that you set the meta of the itemstack
14:53 rdococ wait, do I need to call node_dig, or create my own version of the code?
14:53 DS-minetest you could use node_dig but then you have to take away an item
14:53 DS-minetest but that would be not good since not always an item is addad
14:53 DS-minetest added*
14:54 DS-minetest i would say, make it on your own
14:55 rdococ It would help if I knew how, but okay
14:55 DS-minetest check for portection, remove the node, add an item to inventory
14:55 DS-minetest and wear tool
14:58 rdococ should I use inv:add_item?
14:58 DS-minetest i think yes
14:59 rdococ do I need inv:set_stack?
14:59 DS-minetest idk, i never did that
15:00 DS-minetest rdococ: just try around
15:00 rdococ k
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15:02 rdococ to get a stack, do I just use ItemStack()? wiki... seems to say so but I'm probably just dumb for misinterpreting it
15:02 DS-minetest yep
15:06 rdococ now to place it with metadata from the itemstack, do I have to create my own on_place callback?
15:07 rdococ also, does it prefer .above or .under?
15:07 rdococ ah
15:07 rdococ above
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15:11 benrob0329 So they've announced Star Wars: Battlefield 2
15:11 benrob0329 I just hope it runs on Linux, though it probably wont
15:17 rdococ does from_table(nil or {}) include fields and inventory
15:18 rdococ nvm
15:18 rdococ probabl
15:18 rdococ y
15:25 rdococ Good to know that digging a computer gives you 5 computers instead of 1.
15:25 rdococ ah
15:25 rdococ wait
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15:33 rdococ what does itemstack:get_metadata() return if there is no metadata?
15:33 DS-minetest idk
15:33 rdococ probably "" or nil
15:33 DS-minetest do't use metadata
15:33 rdococ but it doesn't seem to work
15:33 DS-minetest use meta
15:33 DS-minetest don't*
15:33 rdococ I'm talking about itemstacks
15:33 rdococ not nodes
15:34 rdococ it says get_metadata() in the wiki
15:34 DS-minetest wiki is out of date
15:34 DS-minetest also itemstack meta is rather new
15:34 rdococ either way, the bug persists
15:35 DS-minetest past 0.4.15
15:36 rdococ does a node of the form {name="bla", param1=2} store metadata in it?
15:36 rdococ as in, can I do this: minetest.set_node(pos, {name="bla", metadata={fields={bla="bla"}}})
15:36 rdococ probably should try it but meh
15:37 DS-minetest minetest.get_meta(pos)
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15:37 rdococ nvm...
15:37 DS-minetest local meta = minetest.get_meta(pos) meta:set_string("bla", "bli")
15:38 rdococ ik ik ik
15:38 rdococ okay
15:39 rdococ so the itemstack's metadata is set to (where meta is node meta) minetest.serialize(meta:to_table()), and when placed the node meta is set to minetest.deserialize(itemstack:get_meta())
15:39 rdococ but there's still a bug somewhere
15:40 DS-minetest u can use to_table but also from_table
15:40 DS-minetest and don't use metadata, it's deprecated
15:41 rdococ I'm still getting the same issue
15:42 rdococ attempt to call a nil value
15:42 rdococ it has a programs table it reads from
15:42 rdococ with functions in it
15:42 rdococ so that means that the node meta has no set "running"
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15:43 DS-minetest set the node meta after placing
15:43 rdococ I do.
15:43 rdococ okyay, it kinda works now
15:43 rdococ except node placement is a bit wonky
15:44 rdococ doesn't seem to like snow layers
15:46 rdococ fixed that
15:46 rdococ ty
15:47 rdococ !next
15:47 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:47 rdococ :P
15:52 DS-minetest seems like technic wrench still uses metadata, i'll change that
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16:11 DS-minetest that mean daily ppa
16:11 DS-minetest i shouldn't have updated
16:11 DS-minetest now the game so often shuts down -.-
16:11 DS-minetest MinetestBot!
16:11 MinetestBot DS-minetest!
16:11 DS-minetest bye
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16:21 Tre hey swift110
16:21 Tre ive made a mod
16:24 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Bushes: Add saplings a57d2db https://git.io/vSDBG (2017-04-12T16:18:50Z)
16:24 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: PB&J Pup: Remove mod d68d2c0 https://git.io/vSDBn (2017-04-12T16:18:35Z)
16:24 swift110 hey Tre thats cool
16:25 Tre its called exotice ores if you want to search it on the forums
16:26 swift110 ok
16:26 Tre its still a WIP
16:26 Tre i just wanted to see what ppl thought about it
16:30 rdococ hm
16:30 swift110 ok
16:30 rdococ what do you think: should a computer (big bulky monitor version) retain RAM when being moved, or just disk?
16:30 rdococ being moved here includes being picked up, and then placed
16:30 Tre just disk
16:30 rdococ k
16:31 Tre becasue when you pick it up you assume it loses power
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16:33 rdococ (well, you do :P)
16:34 rdococ ooh, imagine if it required constant mesecon power
16:34 rdococ you'd have to have a mesecon signal or otherwise it won't work :P
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16:36 rdococ hellowhite
16:41 rdococ Tre: what should be in the infotext?
16:41 rdococ should it just display the computer's owner, like "rdococ's computer" or "Tre's computer", or should it display "rdococ's computer running Textedit" (a program)?
16:42 Tre "<name>'s computer"
16:42 Tre or whatever you call the computer(it has to have a name)
16:44 rdococ . o O ( why do computers need names all of a sudden irl? )
16:44 Tre like "rdoblazer3000"
16:44 Tre or something like that
16:48 rdococ . o O ( again, why do computers need names :P )
16:56 sfan5 !server tps sky
16:56 MinetestBot sfan5: ░ TPS ░ Skylands PVP Survival | servers.minetest.tv:30006 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / tps_skyblock | Ping: 117ms
17:00 Tre idk
17:00 Tre !server TM
17:00 MinetestBot Tre: Tmanyo-Survival(Vault-81) | tmanyo.mine.nu | Clients: 0/25, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.15 / minetest | Ping: 110ms
17:00 Tre !server TM-Digi
17:00 MinetestBot Tre: TM-Digiworld | xerox.us.to:30002 | Clients: 1/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.15-digi / minetest_game | Ping: 14ms
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17:35 AlexYst rdococ: Computers need names so they can be identified. People can identify them by name, but I think more often, they identify each other by name.
17:36 AlexYst For example, Debian uses a computer's name for mDNS. My computer's name is "newdawn", so it responds to requests to //newdawn.local. .
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17:38 AlexYst Also, the need for names isn't really that sudden. It's been set up this way for as long as I've known computers, probably longer than I've been alive. (And I'm coming up on three decades of age.)
17:45 rdococ those kinds of names are called IPs
17:47 rdococ also, what is a minetest mod doing in synaptic?
17:48 sfan5 ask the debian packagers
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17:55 mikadago hi people!
17:56 Tre hi person
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18:03 benrob0329 MinetestBot, make me a sandwich!
18:03 Tre and send over the internet?
18:03 benrob0329 I don't see why not
18:04 benrob0329 Oh wait, this is the 21st century, my bad
18:04 benrob0329 *tardis sounds*
18:05 Tre heh
18:05 Tre i dont watch Dr. Who, but i get the joke anyways
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18:10 benrob0329 *tardis crashes due to serialization.h error*
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18:34 AlexYst rdococ: IP addresses aren't names, and they change. Typically, the name won't change unless you reinstall the system.
18:35 AlexYst Also, IP is Internet Protocol. IP *addresses* are the numbers you refer to.
18:36 AlexYst If I take my laptop to a foreign network, it'll have a different IP address.
18:36 AlexYst If I use my laptop on my home network on another day, it might have a different IP address.
18:36 AlexYst Having a constant name makes finding the laptop on the network much easier.
18:38 rdococ 1. ik
18:38 rdococ 2. ik
18:38 rdococ 3. ik
18:38 rdococ 4. ik
18:38 rdococ 5. ik
18:48 Krock pls
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19:08 GreenDimond Can some forum mod or maybe dev approve (or disapprove) this? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=17211
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19:10 Krock since when do forums need tutorials of how to use them?
19:10 Krock and the FAQ explains the most things anyway
19:11 Krock but I agree that attachments may be a bit ticky
19:12 GreenDimond Since n00bz don't know how to do things and can't read an FAQ and also the FAQ has no pictures.
19:13 Tre true, screenshots can help the ppl who need visual confirmation
19:13 GreenDimond One guy I know (not saying any names) has zippo idea how to post pictures and did this: [img]This%20is%20an%20image.png[/img]
19:13 Krock or record a youtube video, using nodepad to communicate to show how to use it /s
19:14 Krock minetest.register_alias("zippo", "zero")
19:14 GreenDimond ^yep.
19:15 Krock yeah, also seen such things [img]C:\Users\foobar\oooooh.gif[/img]
19:15 GreenDimond lol
19:15 GreenDimond The FAQ has 2-line explanations and for some things that just isn't enough :/
19:15 Krock "but the image is there, why can't you see it" <.<
19:16 GreenDimond >-<
19:17 GreenDimond Images help a lot though. I made a quick tutorial here for that guy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=17&amp;t=15099&amp;start=125#p262943
19:18 GreenDimond (for downloading an image)
19:18 GreenDimond Downloading a frikin image!
19:18 GreenDimond Is it really *that* hard people?!
19:18 Tre nope, but some ppl dont know how to research and do it themselves
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19:31 mogeid Greetings
19:36 Krock hello
19:38 GreenDimond ohai kaeza!
19:38 kaeza_ hai GreenDimond, Krock
19:38 GreenDimond maybe you can approve (or disapprove) this? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=17211
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19:39 Krock o/ kaeza_
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19:42 kaeza_ GreenDimond: so, a faq for a faq?
19:42 GreenDimond ehm...no?
19:42 GreenDimond a more detailed FAQ for main things that the other FAQ does not explain well or explain at all
19:49 kaeza_ GreenDimond: i dont disapprove of the idea, but really, do you think these users will even read the topic?
19:50 GreenDimond If it is put somewhere in fontsize100 and in there face yes :) but really if it is just somewhere like linked on the front page or stickyed in the top of General Disc. then maybe
19:51 kaeza_ most of these users need to watch a video to know how to touch a wall with an apple
19:51 GreenDimond Aren't images enough? I *really* don't want to make a video :/
19:53 kaeza_ well, in any case im not on my usual device and dont have access to my account so ask VanessaE or sfan5
19:54 GreenDimond ask them for what? approval?
19:54 * kaeza_ is at iguaçu falls :D
19:54 GreenDimond (/disapproval)
19:54 GreenDimond ooo those are some nice falls
19:54 kaeza_ to stick it or something. You dont need approval to post
19:55 GreenDimond Well I haven't even made it yet xD
19:55 GreenDimond But I will start on it soon :D
19:57 GreenDimond Hope you have fun at the falls :)
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19:58 benrob0329 I could make a forum tutorial
19:59 GreenDimond I already volunteered.
19:59 benrob0329 (Video form)
19:59 GreenDimond We could do both :D
19:59 GreenDimond And I could post a link to the video on the page
20:00 GreenDimond benrob0329: How about this: I make the tutorial, you check what I put in it, and make a video tutorial on it.
20:00 benrob0329 Sounds good!
20:00 GreenDimond (and then I put vid link on page)
20:01 benrob0329 Ill do it when I get back from vacation.
20:01 GreenDimond I will start work on it today (I hope). Will get it done by next week at latest (again, I hope).
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20:30 iisu Hi.
20:35 iisu rubenwardy: I forgot to mention that I'm using code from your food mod in get_sp() in my mod, though it's quite modified and serves for a different purpose (the code comes from food.item_eat() in your mod and now I use it to get player's satiation).
20:35 iisu https://github.com/rubenwardy/​food/blob/master/food/init.lua https://github.com/iisu/minetest-​easter-eggs/blob/master/init.lua
20:38 iisu Is it changed enough or should I change my licence to GPL and credit you? (I will give you a credit anyways, I'm just editing README.md.
20:39 iisu Also the code will change some more as I'm going to add support for some more mods but the concept remains unchanged.
20:39 iisu It's a small piece of code though.
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21:07 MinetestBot [git] Dumbeldor -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Fix localplayer documentation (#5557) 8bdf9a4 https://git.io/vSy37 (2017-04-12T21:05:01Z)
21:12 MrIbby Does anyone happen to know why BlockMen's user talk page is the most viewed page on the wiki? http://wiki.minetest.net/Special:Statistics
21:14 Krock F5 F5 F5
21:14 Tre ok Krock i fixed the folder issue
21:15 Krock o/
21:15 Tre now i just need to delete all of the images out of textures :\
21:15 Krock but why?
21:16 Tre how do i delete a folder and all of its contents?
21:16 Krock noo.. what are you even doing there? With a GIT client you'd have this done in one commit and under 40 seconds
21:17 Tre ok, duh *faceslap*
21:17 * Tre can be really stupid sometimes
21:18 Krock github is helpful for quick one-file changes but if you want to do more - look out for a GIT client
21:18 Tre whats the best one you recommend?
21:19 Krock good question
21:20 Krock I'm using tortoise git here (Winblows explorer-embedded). Find one for yourself that you like: https://git-scm.com/downloads/guis
21:21 Krock there are surely more, unlisted ones that can be found by typing some random words into that text box on google or ddg
21:21 Tre ok thanks
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21:22 Krock if you're on arch, you won't need those. Just use the terminal to run the commands ;P
21:24 Tre im using bodhi linux(debian)
21:24 Tre im going to try giggle
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22:13 Tre VannesaE are u on?
22:17 Tre if so i am on github now
22:17 Tre and so is my mod
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22:29 red-004 Tre, nice
22:29 Tre do you want the link?
22:29 red-004 sure
22:29 Tre holdon, i have to get it
22:30 Tre https://github.com/ThomasMonroe314/ExoticOres
22:30 Tre there it is ^
22:35 PureTryOut[m] "Welcome to GitHub Pages"
22:35 PureTryOut[m] you should fix up your README
22:36 Tre ik
22:36 Tre it was generated
22:36 Tre and thanks
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23:15 red-004 Tre, btw if you are not using git already you probaly want to set that up, it's one of the main upsides of using a site like github to host your code
23:17 Tre i just set it up about an hour ago
23:17 Tre :P
23:17 Tre im using git-cola
23:18 OldCoder git-cola ??
23:18 OldCoder Hmm
23:18 OldCoder cola git is a hit
23:18 OldCoder you'll love it quite a bit
23:18 OldCoder fizz here and fizz there
23:18 OldCoder git hit is full of... Hm
23:19 * OldCoder assumes it is low caffeine
23:22 iisu Caffeine isn't healthy; goto sleep;
23:22 * iisu listens to his own advice
23:22 iisu gn
23:31 * red-004 waits for people to complain about goto
23:34 benrob0329 10 IF TRIGGERED == TRUE
23:34 benrob0329 20 PRINT "AAAAAAAAHHHHGGGG!!!"
23:34 benrob0329 30 ELSE
23:35 benrob0329 40 GOTO 10
23:38 red-004 basic?
23:39 benrob0329 something like that
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