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00:13 Megaf[m] nah, Darwin instead of Hurd
00:13 Megaf[m] maybe one day we can have true portability between OSes
00:14 Megaf[m] This is a step towards this goal. https://dev.opera.com/blog/installable-web-apps/
00:15 Megaf[m] https://dev.opera.com/articles/pwa-desktop/
00:15 Megaf[m] https://github.com/vladikoff/PWAify
00:16 Megaf[m] web app examples -> https://pwa.rocks/
00:20 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Flora spread: Allow spread on rainforest litter. Other improvements 86fd616 https://git.io/vydNw (2017-03-20T00:14:56Z)
00:20 MinetestBot [git] octacian -> minetest/minetest_game: Books: Fix backwards compatibility issues 2a74032 https://git.io/vydNr (2017-03-20T00:13:31Z)
00:20 MinetestBot [git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Screwdriver: simplify logic, allow wallmounted rotation. ecf160d https://git.io/vydNo (2017-03-20T00:12:16Z)
00:21 Megaf[m] Thanks paramat
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01:00 Megaf[m] I just installed Riot on my phone. So far so good.
01:25 Jordach https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/10139​2479374282752/293193280311656449/unknown.png
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07:11 Milan[m] lol
07:11 Milan[m] duplicate evil - discord included
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08:16 PureTryOut[m] Discord--
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08:33 Snark hi
08:33 VanessaE hi
08:33 agaran lo
08:33 Snark one of my kids wants vehicles in minetest... I saw several mods, some of them having had no input since years... any recommendation?
08:34 VanessaE there's one I think called vehicle mash, that's useful
08:34 VanessaE not good for servers since managing users' vehicles after they leave them scattered about is a problem
08:34 VanessaE (none of those vehicle mods are, really)
08:42 Snark hmmm... seems abandoned and laggy :-/
08:43 VanessaE all mods that use entities of some kind can have a lag problem
08:43 VanessaE depends on the network between server and client and how fast the server is
08:43 VanessaE (since it's what actually runs the code that controls the entity)
08:48 Megaf[m] Good morning
08:48 VanessaE hi.
08:48 VanessaE oh G*d now that matrix thing is spreading
08:49 Megaf[m] I don't think I will use this for long tho
08:49 VanessaE hexchat or gtfo. :)
08:49 Megaf[m] Only if I find a client that I really like, so far that's not the case
08:49 Megaf[m] so far I rather use Hexchat indeed
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08:54 agaran VanessaE: irssi :)
08:54 VanessaE no way
08:54 agaran well I use irssi for years and can't see reason to change..
08:54 VanessaE for years I used bitchx
08:55 VanessaE eventually got tired of being stuck in a terminal :P
08:55 agaran that was before irssi for me..
08:55 agaran but I consider terminal as feature not disadvantage..
08:55 agaran I can ssh home and get my home irc even at work..
08:55 VanessaE indeed.
08:55 VanessaE terminals/shells have their uses, but sometimes you just want a little eye candy. :)
08:55 agaran eerm? noo?;)
08:56 agaran I was happy to grab old vt100..
08:56 VanessaE (though there's not a whole lot of difference between hexchat as I have it set up, and irssi really)
08:56 agaran okay okay I'll hide under my rock
08:56 VanessaE https://xkcd.com/1782/
08:57 VanessaE HAH!  check the tooltip on the comic :D
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09:05 Megaf[m] VanessaE: that's people like us
09:05 VanessaE yep.
09:09 Megaf[m] Back in the day when I had my XMPP server I even had an IRC gateway on it
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09:18 Megaf[m] well, lecture time. cya
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09:26 idaho__ hi all ! A question, Does anyone provide a daily build for windows? (I know sfan5'builds but is there any better?) I know I'm an impatient boy ;-)
09:28 Milan[m] but i prefer matrix now
09:28 Milan[m] i still have my xmpp server :3
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09:29 PureTryOut[m] Matrix++
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09:43 Megaf idaho__: there's some daily builds yes
09:44 Snark (irssi in tmux is good)
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09:58 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy World Storytelling Day! 😃
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10:35 Nyarg hey folks how I may register my nick on #minetest ?
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10:39 fireglow[m] type /msg nickserv help register
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10:49 PureTryOut[m] (you can't, you can however register it on Freenode (on which #minetest lives))
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10:56 Milan[m] odd... no mob spawns in my singleplayer game somehow... (mobs_redo) - all the mods are in place and loaded...
10:56 Milan[m] oh wait - a sheep!
10:57 Milan[m] this took long this time xD
10:59 Milan[m] awww poor sheep cannot jump two blocks ... need to help, building stairs
10:59 Milan[m] now it has stairs but lost interest
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11:02 fireglow[m] nice blog
11:02 * PureTryOut[m] is waiting for a proper mob API without needing other mods :(
11:02 Milan[m] what's wrong with mobs_redo?
11:03 * Milan[m] waits for a nyancat to spawn on candy :o
11:10 Nyarg oops java and mingw don't download for me
11:11 Nyarg anybody have same effect ?
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11:19 Calinou nyuszika7h: from which sources?
11:19 Calinou :/
11:19 Calinou nevermind
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11:25 Milan[m] i wonder if https://github.com/MinetestForFun/mysql_auth is a real enhancement - and i wonder why it is not part of the core yet... roundhouse wonder...
11:26 Milan[m] oh and i wonder why not postgres :P
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12:50 sfan5 Idaho__: you can ask me about making a new daily build if you want one
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12:56 Megaf Idaho__: Found them?
12:56 Megaf Snark: Agreed, or weechat :)
12:57 Megaf wheres the BitchX fans?
13:04 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: did you know there is a Weechat plugin that adds Matrix support?
13:07 Megaf[m] Ysp
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13:10 Idaho__ Thanks Sfan5 ... i looking for recent windows daily build with the sneak update, apparently it's break the "sneak elevator" :'( https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5327
13:12 Milan[m] no opinions about mysql_auth here?
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14:06 Nyarg something wrong I don't see particle sprite rotation property
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14:34 Nyarg blend and glow too
14:47 An0n3m0us !seen test
14:47 MinetestBot An0n3m0us: test was last seen at 2017-03-16 04:10:45 UTC on #minetest
14:47 An0n3m0us cool it works
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15:07 sfan5 Idaho__: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=42&t=1523&p=259095#p259095
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15:38 Idaho__ thank you for your kindness Sfan5 !
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15:51 fireglow sfan5: is very helpful
16:02 ronsor hey
16:02 ronsor i have a question
16:02 ronsor in minetest's default:* what is the hardest block to break?
16:03 agaran probably diamond block
16:03 ronsor ok
16:03 ronsor good
16:04 ronsor i'm trying to make an kind of anarchy server where griefing is possible
16:04 ronsor but i still want to try and protect my stuff
16:05 agaran well make block that is indestructable if you want..
16:05 ronsor i want it to still be possible to attack my stuff
16:05 ronsor but not so easy
16:05 ronsor I know! I should build a wall of diamond block
16:05 calculon isn't obsidian harder than diamond ?
16:06 ronsor obsidian is harder
16:06 ronsor oh hey i'll just look at the game files
16:06 calculon ore blocks are very hard too, but i'm not sure they are in the default game
16:06 ronsor they are
16:06 ronsor they have to be
16:07 calculon ok
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16:21 Nyarg Is fog configurable now ?
16:23 Nyarg I found something on git but stil misunderstand
16:23 Nyarg http://i3.imageban.ru/out/2017/03/20/​808d7b1eec61a87d3c734dde0fac853a.jpg
16:23 Nyarg http://i1.imageban.ru/out/2017/03/20/​925650be20f7d920b44d37421ae85643.jpg
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16:29 sofar there's something coming, not sure how/when it'll make it in
16:29 sofar tbh CSM could take over most of it
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16:48 Nyarg thank you <sofar> )
16:48 Nyarg A tiny question again: I mean I found a way register entity after loadTime minetest.register_on_punchnode( ...   minetest.register_entity( ) end) )
16:48 Nyarg What do problem it may cause in future ?
16:48 sofar you shouldn't really do that though, just make a new entity and change the properties
16:49 Nyarg thank again )
16:49 sofar entities are more dynamic, but you'll end up flooding the entity table and spawns will be slower
16:49 sofar with `make` I mean spawn
16:49 sofar why do you want to create new entities anyway?
16:58 Blaxono come in my Channel #Dextop.net
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17:02 fireglow wat
17:02 fireglow that guy used to play on my server...
17:02 fireglow used to ;)
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17:06 red-001 46-115-130-212.c3-0.nwt-ubr​1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com I think thats the longest hostname I ever saw
17:07 An0n3m0us yep
17:07 An0n3m0us I noticed that too
17:07 agaran well if you control your own DNS you can get sickly long ones.
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17:54 klmmlk hélow éveuri boudi!
17:55 klmmlk I hav no luck with compiling minetest in ubuntu 15.10
17:55 klmmlk here the log of my try:
17:56 Calinou Ubuntu 15.10 is end-of-life, btw
17:56 klmmlk http://pastebin.com/fwYAqvUq
17:57 klmmlk yes, sure, but it is the OS that I'm using...
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17:59 Calinou klmmlk: try installing libcurl4-opessl-dev
18:00 klmmlk This is the state after some SSL-stuff install/deinstall/reinstall, after some Megaf[m] suggestions. The initial problem was that:  /usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libcurl.a(libcurl_la-ssluse.o): référence au symbole non défini «SSL_get_verify_result@@OPENSSL_1.0.0»
18:01 klmmlk Calinou, libcurl4-openssl-dev is installed, it's the same.
18:03 klmmlk I have tested libcurl4-gnutls-dev and it is the same.
18:04 benrob0329 is there a simple nodetimer example somewhere?
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18:12 klmmlk perhaps a path to libs problem ?
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18:20 An0n3m0us Try getting it from ftp.debian.org (if your desperate. THIS IS NOT THE BEST WAY, AND ITS VERRY MESSY)
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18:39 sfan5 klmmlk: you have a local install of libcurl that is compiled for an outdated openssl version
18:39 sfan5 remove the curl installation in /usr/local
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18:44 MinetestBot [git] bendeutsch -> minetest/minetest: Refactored client event if-else cascade to switch statement e7246d3 https://git.io/vybby (2017-03-20T18:35:33Z)
18:44 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Map generation limit: Rewrite d3131ae https://git.io/vybbS (2017-03-20T18:34:18Z)
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18:56 klmmlk thank you sfan5. I'll try.
18:56 fireglow klmmlk: what have you been doing to that poor system, lol
18:57 klmmlk fireglow, so many things...
18:57 fireglow ;(
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19:08 klmmlk Another victorious build against the machine ! Thank you sooooo much sfan5 to point me to the /usr/local problem !
19:09 sfan5 small tip: never install software you compile from source when it exists in the package repos
19:09 sfan5 it will cause only problems
19:11 klmmlk it was probably a dependency from a bigger source tree.
19:18 klmmlk I have a question. What mapgen algorythm is the nearest from the minecraft one ? And is the minecraft one is known ? Is there some interesting mapgen work hidden somewhere ?
19:18 sfan5 there is none that tries to imitate minecraft
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19:18 sfan5 we just have our own
19:19 Krock check out valleys, it's the most exciting mapgen so far IMO
19:22 klmmlk what about "Watershed" ?
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19:23 klmmlk How to enable it ?
19:24 klmmlk what to do with the sources ? Where did I need to put and compile it ? Any need to compile or is it any lua mods ?
19:25 klmmlk seems to be only lua
19:26 Krock watershed is a lua mod
19:26 Krock thus, throw it into your mods directory, enable and start the world
19:27 Krock lua will compile it for you automatically
19:27 klmmlk ok. in the mods directory.
19:27 klmmlk that was the tips I need.
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19:40 klmmlk don't find any watershed relative entry... put folder into mods subdir, watershed-master renamed into watershed, chmod -R 755 watershed, but nothing about watershed in mods main menu, or in the "configure" per-world-button What am i doing wrong ?
19:41 klmmlk need to be in the sub-game mods dir perhaps...
19:42 klmmlk sorry for the noise.
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20:30 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.15 (2016-12-22) | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/
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20:35 MinetestBot [git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Content_mapblock.cpp: Refactor d4e0c0f https://git.io/vyN3F (2017-03-20T20:28:22Z)
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21:13 ronsor so
21:13 ronsor i just found out carts are in default minetest
21:23 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Firelike drawtype: Add missing docs for visual_scale in lua_api.txt (… c4b98de https://git.io/vyN8o (2017-03-20T21:22:16Z)
21:23 sofar ronsor: right
21:27 ronsor which is cool
21:27 ronsor cuz i don't need to add a mod for that
21:33 redblade7 i prefer boost_cart
21:33 ronsor IT IS BOOST_CART
21:33 rubenwardy ^
21:33 redblade7 it has mesecons support and i find boost_cart easier to control
21:33 ronsor that's what the default carts are
21:33 ronsor except the default carts lacks mesecons support
21:33 redblade7 no it isnt, it has a different color
21:33 rubenwardy it is boost carts, but with mesecons support
21:33 redblade7 i always move carts out of the directory and move boost_cart it
21:33 ronsor *without
21:34 rubenwardy and obviously graphics modifications
21:34 rubenwardy *without
21:34 redblade7 i remember having a tough time punching the cart to change directions, or something like that
21:34 ronsor http://wiki.minetest.net/Rail
21:34 redblade7 in default carts
21:34 rubenwardy and bug fixes
21:34 ronsor please read the bottom of that page
21:35 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1318
21:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Merge boost_cart as "carts" mod. by sofar · Pull Request #1318 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
21:35 redblade7 so boost_cart won't get any more updates?
21:35 rubenwardy no, probably not
21:35 sofar just the mesecons bits
21:36 sofar ask krock :)
21:36 sofar he's a dev now as well
21:36 redblade7 ok
21:36 redblade7 so for non-mesecons servers/games, it's best to use the built-in carts, while using boost_cart is better for the other one?
21:36 ronsor yeah
21:37 redblade7 i remember having a tough time with changing direction of carts. will try and give it a chance again
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21:37 ronsor assuming you want the powered rail to require mesecons
21:37 redblade7 this was when it first came out
21:37 ronsor I have mesecons on my server; but I want the rail to be standalone
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21:40 redblade7 yep still impossible to punch to change directions while you are riding
21:40 redblade7 boost_cart lets you do that
21:40 redblade7 mesecons or not
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21:50 Trixarian er *oldcoder
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22:17 fireglow u wot
22:18 An0n3m0us lo
22:18 An0n3m0us l
22:18 ronsor ok so I've revived my server now
22:18 ronsor new: No rules
22:18 ronsor (griefing allowed)
22:18 ronsor this is an anarchy server
22:18 ronsor if you want to protect your stuff, make traps or get an army
22:19 sfan5 !server ronsor
22:19 MinetestBot sfan5: Ronsor's Server | irc.openstar.pw | Clients: 2/200, 2/2 | Version: 0.4.15 / minetest | Ping: 147ms
22:19 sfan5 huh
22:19 sfan5 ronsor: setting max clients = 200 is not a good idea as it will negatively affect your serverlist ranking
22:19 sfan5 pick a sane value
22:19 ronsor ok
22:19 ronsor i'll put it at 50
22:19 ronsor i don't think 20 is enough
22:20 ronsor restarted
22:20 fireglow what kind of stuff will benefit my ranking?
22:20 sfan5 basically having people on your server
22:21 ronsor yeah
22:21 ronsor i usually have ~1-3 clients at a time
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22:39 Ronsor so
22:39 Ronsor my dad restarted the modem
22:41 Ronsor my server is back
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22:46 fireglow sfan5: that should be easy enough ;)
22:46 fireglow no, wait, it isn't :(
22:48 Ronsor !server ronsor
22:48 MinetestBot Ronsor: No results
22:48 Ronsor !server ronsor
22:48 MinetestBot Ronsor: Ronsor's Server | irc.openstar.pw | Clients: 0/50, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.15 / minetest | Ping: 138ms
22:48 Ronsor fixed
22:53 fireglow !server enclave
22:53 MinetestBot fireglow: Free mining, Master Builders Enclave [EU/DE] | games.firc.de | Clients: 3/25, 2/5 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / minetest | Ping: 11ms
22:53 fireglow yay =)
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23:06 swift110 hey all
23:08 fireglow hey swift110
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23:46 fireglow can I somehow detect if a tool is being moved into a container?
23:46 fireglow kinda like on_drop, but for chests
23:49 fireglow I'll try on_place
23:52 fireglow nope :D
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23:53 swift110 hey fireglow how are you?
23:54 fireglow hey swift110 I'm good thanks, how are you?
23:55 swift110 im great fireglow what ya up to
23:56 fireglow[m] Im trying to stop my players giving out admontools for free, lol
23:56 fireglow[m] admintools
23:57 swift110 what is that\
23:58 fireglow[m] Very powerful tools intended for longtime players
23:58 fireglow[m] But they keep on handing them out, lol
23:59 swift110 oh I see

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