Time Nick Message 00:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Thomas--S -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Doors: Fix wood/glass doors not opening or closing 136a55e15 https://git.io/vy5p9 (152017-03-19T00:43:12Z) 00:54 riff-IRC -_- 00:54 riff-IRC exited the wrong channel 02:11 kaeza greetings 02:42 Arthur_D Just FYI, we had someone come over to our channel and spam us about joining #minetest, the way it was done is really not appreciated and this person/bot has been banned 02:45 VanessaE that's not something we advocate here. 02:46 VanessaE out of curiosity, what channel was it? 02:47 Arthur_D #supertuxkart 02:49 Arthur_D We like other projects too, but coming in and pinging people by name to join a channel, immediately disconnect, rinse and repeat several times... I'm not blaming you guys, but thought you might like to know if you have an overzealous fan doing it 02:50 Arthur_D Oh and they changed nick between reconnects, so it seemed like they knew they shouldn't do that 02:54 VanessaE whow as doing it? 02:55 Arthur_D By IP it was 190.38.95.237 02:58 Arthur_D Nicks used were MetroGoldwinMaye, Mcg9 and Dargod 03:00 VanessaE None of those show up in my log 03:00 VanessaE (neither does the IP) 03:00 Arthur_D http://irc.wxm.be/logs/%23supertuxkart.2017.03.log just search for MetroGoldwinMaye 03:01 Arthur_D Ok 03:01 VanessaE probably just some random troll. :-/ 03:01 Arthur_D Probably 03:01 Arthur_D Just thought you might like to know since it kinda drags you down 03:02 Arthur_D Not much you can do of course 03:03 VanessaE we certainly appreciate the head's up 03:06 Arthur_D I just hope they don't do it many places 03:07 Arthur_D Would be a shame for you to be associated with that 05:37 sofar Arthur_D: would you like to have our spammer? Some fun new Quran quote every day! 07:45 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Update server min protocol version to v24 (#5411) 13f8ad01a https://git.io/vydtw (152017-03-19T07:44:29Z) 10:46 Milan[m] i like modding with vim. https://social.tchncs.de/users/milan/updates/3935 xD 10:49 Krock ack. 11:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04red-001 -> 03minetest/minetest: Block access to the `io` library 132e3778e https://git.io/vydZM (152017-03-19T11:34:33Z) 12:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Refactor Game class (part 2) (#5422) 133c4ac70 https://git.io/vydc4 (152017-03-19T12:18:52Z) 13:27 red-001 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17052 13:32 Fixer red-001: wait... you can run client-side mods even if server dissalows it? 13:32 red-001 yes 13:33 red-001 why? 13:33 Jordach but can the server run stuff client side 13:33 Jordach :thinking: 13:33 red-001 not yet 13:33 red-001 we devs are a bit paranoid 13:34 Jordach the server needs to be able to do something client side 13:34 Jordach read: os.exec disabled entirely 13:34 Fixer format c: 13:34 red-001 that has been done long ago 13:34 Jordach well, 1 or 2 things, like displaying the item above the hotbar in situations 13:34 Fixer red-001: does it adds timestamps? 13:34 Jordach doing it on the server per server step is laggy 13:34 red-001 we got rid off all known attack vectors 13:35 red-001 we are left with the unknown ones now 13:35 nerzhul server cannot toggle CSM nor execute random code 13:35 red-001 no my mod is pretty basic right now 13:35 nerzhul red-001, interesting usecase heh :) 13:36 red-001 it just creates a peusdo-table using mod storage 13:37 nerzhul red-001, you can retrieve a message ? 13:37 red-001 yes 13:37 red-001 use display 13:37 nerzhul interesting 13:37 nerzhul last message of "user1" ? 13:37 nerzhul :) 13:38 red-001 I don't feel like writing a parser 13:38 Fixer red-001: does it save logged messages to file? 13:38 red-001 yes 13:38 Fixer red-001: what file? 13:38 red-001 it uses modstorage 13:38 Fixer ah ok 13:38 red-001 it's a json file 13:39 red-001 not raw text 13:39 Fixer ah 13:39 red-001 iirc client/modstorage 13:39 Fixer red-001: will be useful to have ability to export to raw text in file 13:39 red-001 I can't do that 13:39 nerzhul Fixer, we don't permit raw files client side to prevent bad usage 13:40 Fixer oh... 13:40 nerzhul the only way to have persistent storage is to use modstorage api 13:40 red-001 I could create an external program 13:40 Fixer no need 13:40 nerzhul this perits mt to prevent modders to do bad things with files on the user disk :) 13:40 nerzhul we do a strong sandbox client side 13:40 Fixer red-001: there is limit of text stored? 13:40 red-001 don't think so 13:41 red-001 no one added that yet 13:41 Fixer red-001: in your mod I mean 13:41 Megaf I really hate Linux man 13:41 nerzhul at this moment there is no mod storage limit but it will be added client side, for example 50Mo per mod maximum 13:41 red-001 It would be a bit hard to add that 13:42 Megaf I hate how lots of software just max out the volume here, destroying my hearing 13:42 Megaf when Im using headphones 13:42 Fixer nerzhul: configurable I hope? it should depend on mod I guess 13:42 red-001 nerzhul, is it possible to remove a modstorage index? 13:43 nerzhul red-001, i don't remember we have this 13:43 nerzhul you can empty your value 13:44 red-001 does that remove it from the storage file or does it just set it to an empty string? 13:48 nerzhul no it just empty it, it's already registered 13:57 Fixer red-001: add some readme to it 13:59 red-001 well I could just copy the in-mod help text 13:59 Fixer red-001: please do 13:59 Megaf guys, can you please open /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and tell me what's your default for flat-volumes 14:01 red-001 flat-volumes = no 14:01 red-001 ; flat-volumes = yes 14:01 Fixer red-001: ok, it records the messages, and it is kinda readable from modstorage by eyes, which is good 14:02 red-001 you can display the messages in-game btw 14:02 nerzhul testing now my current optimisations 14:03 red-001 just do /chatlog display to see all the messages 14:04 Fixer red-001: only says finished reading log but displays nothing 14:04 red-001 werid 14:04 nerzhul callgrind doesn't permit to render many images lawl, dratime > 2sec 14:05 red-001 and there is stuff in the chatlog? 14:05 Fixer red-001: yep 14:05 red-001 wait let me test it again with an empty log 14:06 red-001 it works for me 14:07 Fixer red-001: ok, works for me too, number was too large and gave wrong impression 14:08 Fixer since if you type 100 it will repeat everything the same way 14:08 red-001 I can't cause that 14:08 red-001 /chatlog display 100000000000000000000000000000 14:09 red-001 it still works correctly 14:09 Fixer it works fine, nevermind 14:09 red-001 btw clear doesn't remove the data 14:09 sfan5 Megaf: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#daemon.conf see the thing about flat-volumes 14:10 red-001 it just resets the index and lets the data get overwriten 14:30 Wapanese Hello. I found some Nyan Cats. Why are they rare and useless? 14:30 XeonSquared is there a MT mod that does elevators in the form of jump to go up, sneak to go down? 14:34 Fixer kek 14:34 Fixer XeonSquared: using newest mtg? 14:34 XeonSquared yeah, 0.4.15, newest stable 14:34 Fixer XeonSquared: don't know any yet, there were some brainstorming about this 14:34 Fixer XeonSquared: ah, you was asking something different 14:35 Fixer no idea then 14:35 red-001 nyancats might have to be removed 14:35 Fixer XeonSquared: ropes? 14:35 red-001 trademark reasons 14:35 red-001 turns out someone trademarked a meme 14:35 XeonSquared Fixer: no like 14:35 XeonSquared in a MC mod 14:36 XeonSquared there are elevator blocks 14:36 Fixer XeonSquared: can you post a link to MC mod? 14:36 XeonSquared you stand on them and jump to teleport to the one above and sneak to teleport to the one below 14:36 Fixer ahh 14:36 red-001 also does hexchat not save the ignore list when you restart it? 14:36 XeonSquared they need LOS and work only vertically 14:36 Fixer XeonSquared: there are mods for that in MT 14:37 Fixer XeonSquared: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4877 14:37 red-001 I though Wapanese and Co. where on my ignore list 14:37 Fixer XeonSquared: you can try searching on forum or here: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=teleport 14:38 XeonSquared Oh right mod search exists 14:38 XeonSquared I should bookmark it and never check my bookmarks 14:39 Wapanese ^_^ 14:39 XeonSquared Sorry for the idiot questions on occasion 14:39 XeonSquared Though I s'pose they're still better than some others 14:40 Fixer XeonSquared: at first I though you asked about sneak elevators alternatives since it was fixed few days ago %) 14:40 Fixer thought* 16:51 kaeza greetings 16:57 Krock o/ kaeza 16:59 red-001 hi kaeza 16:59 kaeza hi Krock, red-001 17:16 Milan[m] lol i confused my client a bit during servershutdown... 17:16 * Milan[m] uploaded an image: 2017-03-19-181029_1920x1200_scrot.png (45KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/JQiBeieqkosPtvRvOoTDkJIb 17:16 Milan[m] (worked again after some seconds) 17:18 Megaf so this matrix thing is like a decentralizated internet? 17:19 Megaf Milan[m]: ^ 17:19 Calinou it is federated, so yes 17:20 Milan[m] y 17:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix /shutdown or ^C no longer causing server exit 13525d2a0 https://git.io/vydah (152017-03-19T17:21:18Z) 17:24 Megaf[m] Hm 17:24 Megaf[m] This is VERY weird 17:25 Megaf[m] Riot is one of the craziest things I have ever seen 17:25 Milan[m] welcome to matrix, Megaf 17:25 Milan[m] 🎉 17:26 Milan[m] well riot is not attepting to be just another im app - it is oriented in slack. 17:26 Megaf[m] Calinou: You should use Riot too, So I can see when you are typing, lol 17:27 Megaf[m] Milan: I'm not in the Matrix yet, just created a Riot account 17:28 Megaf[m] not sure if this is my Matrix account to or not 17:28 Milan[m] you joined the matrix.org flagship server, yes+ 17:29 Megaf[m] How do I host a website in the Matrix? 17:29 Megaf[m] can I? 17:30 Milan[m] a website? in theory yes 17:32 Calinou Megaf[m]: sorry, I like my IRC bouncer 17:32 Calinou and Quassel feels snappier than Riot 17:33 Calinou (which needs a lot of work in the performance area) 17:33 Megaf[m] I gave up of Quassel 17:33 Megaf[m] I'm too heavy for it 17:36 * twoelk likes his portable KVIrc 17:36 Megaf[m] heh, I used to use kvirc way back 17:37 Megaf[m] back in 2002 17:37 numzero does anyone use Konversation? 17:37 Megaf[m] It was amazing, profile images, audio and video chat, file transfers, IM, it had it all 17:37 Megaf[m] before it was cool 17:37 Calinou numzero: I used to, a long time ago 17:37 Megaf[m] all based on the good old IRC 17:37 numzero do you know how to make it connect to Freenode via Tor? 17:38 Calinou nope 17:38 Megaf[m] just enable the socksv5 in tor and make it use it 17:38 numzero uh, that works for other servers 17:38 numzero but freenode requires SASL 17:38 Megaf[m] yep 17:39 numzero which Konversation must support, but it seems it doesn’t work 17:39 Megaf[m] hm 17:40 sfan5 numzero: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online 17:41 Megaf[m] PureTryOut: who are you? 17:41 Megaf[m] ok, I have a matrix server, now what? 17:41 Megaf[m] :S 17:42 numzero I had read that 17:43 numzero well, it seems I need to try different IRC client 17:44 Megaf[m] I have my matrix server running but I have no idea what to do with it 17:48 Milan[m] riot is snappy for me on each device including phone... 17:49 M6 Hello Hy not using discord 17:49 M6 IRC is old now 17:50 M6 We nées to go fast ans start usong thé futur 17:50 Megaf[m] dat ortografy 17:50 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: who am I? what kind of question is that? 17:50 Megaf[m] PureTryOut: I mean, names on Matrix and nicks on IRC often differ 17:51 M6 Sorry i m on Android ans thé keyboard change thé word by himself 17:52 Megaf[m] so you should use gboard, that's the Google's keyboard for Android, and choose the proper language for it 17:52 Megaf[m] it will detect the language you want to type automatically 17:56 M6 Il i have it now 18:00 Megaf[m] sorry Milan , I don't like this Matrix thing 18:00 Megaf[m] totally unnecessary 18:00 Megaf[m] I don't see the point on it 18:00 Megaf[m] what's it's objective? 18:02 twoelk skynet backdoor? 18:02 johnnyjoy Anyone know how to get node information in lua using only the node name, such as default:dirt? 18:02 twoelk what info? 18:03 johnnyjoy The node information that was used to create the node, like it's description, image, etc. 18:03 behalebabo the minetest.registered_nodes table, example: minetest.registered_nodes["default:dirt"].description 18:03 Milan[m] Megaf: what ever 18:04 johnnyjoy As a person who was just too lazy to look at the source, I thank you behalebabo. :) 18:07 red-001_ M6, I tried to create a minetest discord server 18:07 red-001_ no one used it 18:11 Megaf[m] discord is closed source 18:12 red-001_ I don't really mind 18:12 red-001_ but I understand that some people here care about stuff like that 18:13 Megaf[m] better use Mumble 18:19 fireglow lovely Mumble 18:20 fireglow but you can't really compare Discord to Mumble 18:20 fireglow Discord has got everything 18:21 Megaf[m] agaran: by the way, I'm running a mumble server on mt.megaf.info 18:21 Megaf[m] and I'm joining the server right now 18:21 Megaf[m] !up mt.megaf.info 18:21 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (8ms) 18:22 Megaf[m] !server Megaf 18:22 MinetestBot Megaf[m]: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms 18:22 Megaf[m] dat one 18:22 fireglow !server games.firc.de 18:22 MinetestBot fireglow: No results 18:22 Megaf[m] the one on port 3000 is a secret 18:22 fireglow !server firc 18:22 MinetestBot fireglow: No results 18:22 sfan5 !server Enclave 18:22 MinetestBot sfan5: Free mining, Master Builders Enclave [EU/DE] | games.firc.de | Clients: 6/25, 6/13 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms 18:22 fireglow sfan5 knows my server name, but I don't 18:22 fireglow sfan5 the top lad 18:25 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: well in my case it's the same, although my IRC nick has `[m]` behind it (showing that I'm a Matrix user) 18:25 Megaf[m] oh, ok 18:25 PureTryOut[m] you asked what the point of Matrix is? 18:26 PureTryOut[m] http://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#what-is-the-difference-between-matrix-and-irc 18:26 Megaf[m] we are talking about it on the Matrix channel 18:27 PureTryOut[m] why did you leave #linux:matrix.org? 18:29 fireglow PureTryOut[m]: what client are you using? 18:29 red-001_ matrix? 18:30 PureTryOut[m] Riot, although I sometimes use Weechat and Quaternion as well (if you're asking about a Matrix client) 18:31 fireglow yes I am 18:31 fireglow hmm, weechat plugin, nice 18:31 red-001_ !tell bigfoot547 maybe you could put your mod on the forum? 18:31 MinetestBot red-001_: I'll pass that on when bigfoot547 is around 18:31 fireglow Megaf[m]: yes 18:33 fireglow ownage 18:35 Jordach Matrix: Discord for Linux neckbeards 18:35 fireglow[m] hehe 18:35 fireglow[m] true 18:36 Jordach and yet Discord is wiping the floor with both TS, Vent, TS3, Mumble, and Matrix 18:36 Jordach (this also includes skype since the addition of 1:1 peer calling) 18:36 red-001_ still a better choice then using bsd 18:36 fireglow[m] omg how dare you 18:37 Jordach at least BSD doesn't have systemd 18:37 red-001_ https://xkcd.com/349/ 18:39 PureTryOut[m] > Discord wiping the floor with Mumble and Matrix 18:39 PureTryOut[m] lol 18:39 Jordach because it has a working phone and tablet app that is official 18:39 Jordach the problem with open source is fragmentation 18:39 Jordach or do we have to talk about android 18:40 PureTryOut[m] you do know Riot is also available for phones right? 18:40 fireglow[m] yeah, truly out of the box discord is easy as heck to set up 18:40 Jordach fireglow[m], and for extra cosmetic features it's $5 a month 18:40 red-001_ lol at least half of the minix 3 wikipedia page is a list of all the reliability measures 18:48 fireglow is there a tunable on either the server or client that entity display distance is increased? 18:54 sfan5 fireglow: active_object_send_range_blocks 18:54 fireglow sfan5: cheers! 18:54 fireglow twice you are my saviour tonight 18:58 swift110 hey all 18:59 PureTryOut[m] hey swift110 19:02 fireglow hi swift110 19:03 Megaf[m] Hi swift110 19:04 Megaf[m] gnome redshift is pretty neat, works well 19:05 Megaf[m] (It changes the colour temperature of your display according to the time of day/sun position) 19:11 Milan[m] it is hard to follow the context in this channel... 19:12 PureTryOut[m] not really. there is enough time between the subjects :p 19:24 red-001_ so modstorage:from_table save a table? 19:25 red-001_ and modstorage:to_table loads one? 19:26 red-001_ nvm 19:26 red-001_ I was wrong 19:49 fireglow[m] What happens in IRC when I upload a file to the matrix channel? 19:49 fireglow[m] only one way to find out! 19:50 * fireglow[m] uploaded an image: 99ea1b8d69873979.jpg (1259KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/YmkkHGTiwYPTRKigSFOhBHqF 19:50 fireglow ooh ok, cool 19:50 Krock lovely 19:53 fireglow[m] ;) 20:01 Fixer i still don't get this matrix thing 20:03 fireglow[m] ask me about matrix 20:03 red-001_ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17060 20:05 behalebabo what effect does server_side_occlusion_culling have on CPU usage? is it lighter to enable or disable it? 20:05 Milan[m] Fixer, https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html 20:05 red-001_ you might want to ask IhrFussel 20:06 red-001_ iirc he devloped it and uses it on his server 20:08 behalebabo ok, thanks, I read the PR and it seems that enabling is very slightly more costly 20:20 klmmlk hi everyone 20:21 red-001_ hi 20:23 klmmlk I'm having a compilation problem. I try for the first time to compile minetst, I'm on ubuntu 15.10, x64, all dependancies installed, http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest read twice, etc... 20:23 klmmlk and I have this nice lovely error message: 20:24 klmmlk usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libcurl.a(libcurl_la-ssluse.o): référence au symbole non défini «SSL_get_verify_result@@OPENSSL_1.0.0» 20:25 klmmlk lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line 20:25 klmmlk collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status 20:26 klmmlk I have tryed the OpenSSL and the Gnutls flavors of libcurl4 20:27 Megaf[m] klmmlk: http://termbin.com/d5vo 20:28 Megaf[m] libcurl4-gnutls-dev 20:28 Megaf[m] and this is the package you need 20:28 Jordach >-- LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua. 20:28 Jordach Megaf[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1DEFfQ8oc 20:29 klmmlk libcurl4-gnutls-dev is installed 20:31 klmmlk Megaf, why depth=1 ? 20:31 Megaf makes the download much smaller and shorter and quicker 20:31 klmmlk ok 20:32 Megaf it only downloads the latest "snapshot" of the git 20:32 Megaf Jordach: I don't get it, normies? 20:38 Jordach Megaf, normies refer to people who don't visit the chan imageboards 20:38 Megaf I'm a normie then 20:38 Aceton Hello 20:38 Jordach in short: wheres the LuaJIT 20:38 swift110 lol 20:42 J03 Is An0n3m0us here? 20:42 Megaf can't see him 20:42 J03 here before? 20:43 fireglow !seen An0n3m0us 20:43 MinetestBot fireglow: an0n3m0us was last seen at 2017-03-18 21:26:36 UTC on #minetest 20:43 Megaf coulnd't see him 20:43 fireglow yesterday 20:43 klmmlk Megaf[m], http://pastebin.com/A5z07s7a 20:44 J03 @fireglow thx 20:44 J03 I'll see later 20:44 J03 we are creating a movie in Blender together 20:44 J03 I expected him to be here 20:44 fireglow who will write the first minetest<->matrix bridge? 20:44 fireglow (not me) 20:45 klmmlk what is matrix ? 20:45 Megaf klmmlk: what version of Ubuntu you have? 20:45 klmmlk (not the film i supose) 20:45 klmmlk Megaf, 15.10 20:45 klmmlk wily 20:45 Megaf klmmlk: is a chat thing, Megaf[m] is on the matrix 20:45 fireglow klmmlk: ttps://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html 20:45 fireglow klmmlk: https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html 20:46 klmmlk thx fireglow 20:46 Megaf klmmlk: Baffy[m] fireglow[m] Megaf[m] Milan[m] passant[m] PureTryOut[m] and yusf[m] we are all in the Matrix 20:47 Milan[m] we're all here \o/ 20:47 Emperor_Genshin http://imgur.com/UHpXJkK made a model, need feedback 20:47 klmmlk which pill is the good one ? the blue or the red ? 20:47 Megaf red I think 20:47 klmmlk What happens if I take the tow ones ? is the blue one a placebo ? 20:48 Milan[m] i have to confess, passant[m] is my old matrix.org account - running an own server at tchncs.de now. :) 20:48 Megaf[m] http://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/redpill.html 20:49 klmmlk Megaf, any idea ? 20:50 klmmlk perhaps my curl lib path ? 20:51 Megaf I have no idea, you use Ubuntu, there's so many things that could be wrong. 20:51 klmmlk I use an operating system... there's so many things that could be wrong... 20:52 klmmlk ;D 20:52 klmmlk Anyway, thank you for your help. 20:53 fireglow the NSA loves all operating systems equally 20:53 Megaf klmmlk: remove the ssl libs you installed 20:53 Megaf with the --purge option 20:53 Megaf and install the curl one again 20:53 Megaf your ssl lib is broken 20:53 klmmlk good idea... 20:56 Megaf /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.la and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.so 20:56 Megaf examples of the lib it could find 20:56 Megaf not the thing it found 20:57 PureTryOut[m] Milan: it'd be nice to clean that account up. log in on it, leave all the rooms, etc 20:57 * PureTryOut[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-03-19_21-58-10.png (5KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bhczvqckfqEEpkmHRAVszDLq 20:57 PureTryOut[m] or that ^ 20:57 Milan[m] but it was an important backup account already 20:58 PureTryOut[m] lol 20:58 Milan[m] i even have a vivaldi.net email adress in case there is a problem with my server/hoster. 20:58 PureTryOut[m] ugh vivaldi... 20:59 Milan[m] u're right... i should use googlemail instead 20:59 PureTryOut[m] ugh google... 20:59 PureTryOut[m] :p 21:00 fireglow Milan[m]: why not posteo :D 21:00 Milan[m] i wonder what problem u have with vivaldi 21:00 Milan[m] ugh posteo 21:00 PureTryOut[m] proprietary obviously 21:00 Milan[m] oh right so let's use the gnome browser everybody 21:01 PureTryOut[m] huh? just get Firefox or Chromium :p 21:01 PureTryOut[m] does GNOME even have a browser? 21:01 PureTryOut[m] *it's own browser? 21:01 Milan[m] so firefox is 100% opensource that's new to me 21:01 fireglow I only use w3m 21:01 PureTryOut[m] not sure it is, probably. still tons better than Vivaldi 21:01 fireglow use Brave 21:01 Milan[m] lol brave... 21:02 fireglow less laughing, more using 21:02 klmmlk I've tried Brave... 21:02 klmmlk lol 21:02 klmmlk I've tried... 21:02 Milan[m] can someone login here? somewhat seems to be wrong but it could be my internet as well... https://m.tchncs.de/ 21:02 fireglow lol techncs.de 21:03 fireglow virus confirmed 21:03 Milan[m] only people smart enough will be able to remember the correct domain - it's always funny 21:03 Milan[m] >:] 21:04 Milan[m] i guess i need to tell my webserver about websocket 21:04 Milan[m] or not... hmmm 21:04 Megaf[m] klmmlk: any luck? 21:04 Megaf[m] with minetest 21:10 fireglow lolol 21:11 klmmlk Megaf, Am tryin'... 21:12 Megaf[m] Jordach_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PYCV2Uj6SA 21:12 klmmlk pirgin, reinstallin, reinstalling dependancies killed by ssl stuff removal... 21:12 Megaf[m] This thing sounds good even listening from the camera's microphone 21:16 klmmlk Hum... Megaf, basically, it seems to be an sort of ancient relic just like an old 4G streaming sounds device ;D 21:30 dzho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcFFM2k9TYU lutherans vs charismatics 21:30 dzho http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000048/quotes C-3p0 against my programming to impersonate a deity 21:31 dzho https://missing-license.csh.rit.edu/ AWOL 21:36 dzho https://outagemap.rge.com/ 21:36 dzho http://hoopycat.com/rgeoutages/ 21:36 dzho http://www.rge.com/outages/outageinformation.html 21:36 fireglow is dzho a bot? 21:37 benrob0329 id say a bot or a spammer 21:37 dzho oooh 21:37 dzho sorry 21:37 dzho wrong channel! 21:40 dzho (well, wrong window *and* wrong channel) 21:58 Megaf[m] dzho: that video is actually not bad 21:58 Megaf[m] im wathcing it, the guy is good 21:58 * Megaf[m] is Lutheran 22:02 klmmlk Megaf[m], I have some news about compiling... it's... worst ? --> http://pastebin.com/fwYAqvUq 22:04 Megaf[m] Calinou_: ^ 22:04 Megaf[m] S'il vous plaît 22:04 klmmlk Donc tu parles français ? 22:05 Megaf[m] je ne parle pas français 22:05 klmmlk ceci n'est pas une pipe. 22:05 Megaf[m] Pourquoi? 22:06 klmmlk Pourquoi quoi ? Pourquoi ce n'est pas une pipe ou bien pourquoi tu parles français ? 22:06 klmmlk ce n'est pas une pipe --> je ne parles pas français. 22:07 klmmlk Tu parles français, parce que c'est mieux pour moi si je peux m'expriemr en français. 22:07 twoelk that is indeed a nice matisse 22:07 Megaf[m] No man, I don't speak French 22:07 Megaf[m] I understand a bit of it 22:07 twoelk argh magritte? 22:08 Megaf[m] twoelk: I don't even know what you are talking about 22:08 dzho Megaf[m]: I came across by happenstance, it was a hit when I was looking up the bit from C-3P0 in the following (imdb) link 22:09 dzho though the thing I had in mind to start was actually a ghostbuster's quote: "when someone asks you if you are a god, you say 'yes'" 22:09 twoelk the pipe referance to the picture of wich it is not because it is just canvas and not the pictured object 22:11 Megaf[m] well, all I know is that I'm installing a frankstein here, BSD kernel with Linux userland. 22:11 fireglow how dare you 22:11 fireglow BSD all the way 22:11 Megaf[m] But I've done worse in the past, Solaris kernel with GNU userland. 22:11 Megaf[m] more precisely, Ubuntu userland on top of Solaris Kernel 22:12 Megaf[m] now I'm doing Debian userland on top of FreeBSD Kernel 22:12 Megaf[m] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/NexentaOS_desktop.png 22:12 Megaf[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexenta_OS 22:12 fireglow sodomy 22:13 Megaf[m] It was a cool OS man 22:13 Megaf[m] several years ago 22:13 Megaf[m] this is what I'm installing right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD 22:13 klmmlk Megaf[m], are u using this kind of OS in real-life use cases ? if yes, which ones ? 22:14 Megaf[m] klmmlk: for real work I use normal Debian 22:15 twoelk https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/MagrittePipe.jpg 22:15 klmmlk lol twoelk 22:16 twoelk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images 22:18 ronsor BSD is best 22:18 fireglow ronsor knows what's up 22:19 klmmlk MenuetOS is best 22:19 Megaf[m] ok, cinnamon doesnt start on kFreeBSD, for some reason 22:19 Megaf[m] MenuetOS is cool 22:19 fireglow I bet the error message was "lol get real" 22:20 Megaf[m] installing LXDE 22:23 ronsor I'm gonna write my own OS 22:23 ronsor and then write a minetest version for it 22:23 ronsor i'm actually serious about that 22:23 ronsor i need to finish my OS 22:23 Hawk777 Nah. OSs are boring. Port Minetest to VHDL and run it on raw hardware :D 22:24 ronsor i dont have an fpga 22:24 ronsor nor do i know vhdl 22:24 ronsor so OS it is 22:24 ronsor Estimated time remaining: 6 months 22:24 Hawk777 That might be a problem. 22:24 ronsor and probably atleast 2 years until i get my minetest clone up to speed 22:24 ronsor because my OS only runs Lua(R) scripts 22:25 klmmlk ronsor, what is the git repos for your os ? 22:25 ronsor it's not open source 22:25 ronsor not the old version 22:25 ronsor the new version will be 22:25 red-001 port mt to ASIC 22:25 ronsor https://os.openstar.pw/shot1.png 22:25 ronsor https://os.openstar.pw/openstar-iso.zip 22:26 ronsor also ignore the end user license agreement 22:26 red-001 you made a lua os? 22:26 ronsor yes 22:26 ronsor it's mostly written in Lua 22:26 ronsor the task scheduler is too 22:26 ronsor all the apps 22:26 klmmlk ronsor: connexion error. 22:26 red-001 so does it run on real hardware? 22:26 ronsor it should 22:27 Megaf[m] Minetest on bare metal, that would be cool 22:27 ronsor http://os.openstar.pw/openstar-iso.zip 22:27 ronsor http://os.openstar.pw/shot1.png 22:27 ronsor fixed 22:27 Megaf[m] quite doable for the server 22:27 ronsor no https 22:27 ronsor also my internet is terrible 22:27 ronsor prepare to wait for any download 22:27 ronsor since i run it at home 22:27 red-001 what sort of kernal does it have? 22:28 red-001 are you using an existing kernal or is it a new one? 22:28 klmmlk I have looked to your source code, and I have something to say to you: You msut change that blue color a bit for another blue tone. 22:28 ronsor no i wrote it from scratch 22:28 ronsor in C 22:28 klmmlk lol 22:28 ronsor also don't worry about the blue 22:28 ronsor theming is supported 22:28 ronsor i just never wrote a panel for it 22:29 ronsor i stopped development on that version 22:29 ronsor because it's 32-bit 22:29 ronsor i'm moving to 64-bit 22:29 ronsor you have to edit arcane config files in /etc 22:29 red-001 you site doesn't seem to be very stable 22:29 ronsor it isn't 22:29 ronsor it's hosted at home 22:29 ronsor and the uptime is terrible (my internet not the box itself) 22:29 ronsor and the speed too (thanks comcast) 22:29 ronsor just keep trying(R) 22:30 red-001 get some sort of free online host 22:30 ronsor i hate free hosting 22:30 ronsor i should get a cdn 22:30 Megaf[m] It's alive!! 22:30 klmmlk why not opensourced the first version, but the second ? 22:30 ronsor but currently the original site isn't even up 22:30 * Megaf[m] @ kFreeBSD 22:30 red-001 also I don't have comcast but f**k comcast 22:31 Megaf[m] Debian userland on FreeBSD 22:31 Megaf[m] it works :D 22:31 Megaf[m] with LXDE 22:31 ronsor klmmlk because the code is terrible 22:31 ronsor i wrote code that looks terrible 22:31 klmmlk lol 22:31 ronsor i don't want people to know that 22:31 ronsor also it's kind of hard to build 22:31 ronsor the build system uses tons of weird absolute paths and stuff 22:32 ronsor it even has it's own archive format 22:32 ronsor the FAR archive 22:32 ronsor FARchive 22:32 Megaf[m] how do I screenshot on LXDE? 22:32 red-001 so how does it compare to other archive formats? 22:32 ronsor well it's really simple 22:32 klmmlk "print screen" key on your keyboard ? 22:32 ronsor iirc the format is 22:33 ronsor i wrote unpacker and packers for bash and lua 22:33 red-001 I meant the compression algormith it uses 22:33 ronsor oh 22:33 ronsor it doesn't use one hehehe 22:33 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: you do realize LXDE is purely the interface? it can not take screenshots on itself. I'm assuming you're running Lubuntu. Just install any screenshot tool. I just use Xfce's screenshot program (`xfce4-screenshooter`), works quite nicely 22:33 ronsor it was planned but i abandoned that version 22:34 ronsor thus it's unfinished 22:34 fireglow ronsor: ERR_TUNNEL_CONNECTION_FAILED 22:34 ronsor fireglow: just try again(R) 22:34 Megaf[m] PureTryOut: most DEs include screenshoter 22:34 red-001 have you heard of templeOS? 22:34 ronsor yes 22:34 fireglow red-001 xD 22:34 ronsor it's written by a crazy person 22:34 Megaf[m] anyway, I just used my old friend scrot 22:34 Megaf[m] Im subscribed to TempleOS channel 22:34 PureTryOut[m] that's a good screenshooter ;) 22:35 Megaf[m] there. http://i.imgur.com/gYsvbqd.png 22:35 Megaf[m] :D 22:38 PureTryOut[m] that's not a lot of RAM 22:38 PureTryOut[m] your PC only has 1GB? 22:38 PureTryOut[m] ooh wait 22:38 klmmlk TempleOS seems pretty good for making an NSA-free server farm. The killer feature for that: No networking at all ! 22:38 PureTryOut[m] not even that, 1024 would be 1GB 22:39 * PureTryOut[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-03-19_23-39-41.png (10KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mLStudGAvHKmzAGrQlvtwLhd 22:39 PureTryOut[m] how do you use less than that? ^ 22:39 PureTryOut[m] hmm FreeBSD, maybe that matters 22:40 nerzhul FreeBSD powa :) 22:40 Megaf[m] That's just a VM for that 22:40 nerzhul but only for server 22:40 Megaf[m] but my laptop has only 4 GB total anyway 22:40 klmmlk Megaf[m], I can't understand what I see. uname saying kfreebsd, but /proc/version saying Linux... what is my lack of knowledge ? 22:40 Megaf[m] going to upgrade to 16 GB when I got the money 22:40 PureTryOut[m] 4GB > 1GB :p 22:40 klmmlk PureTryOut[m], Are you sure ? 22:41 Megaf[m] klmmlk: is Debian running on FreeBSD 22:41 Megaf[m] Linux is just a kernel 22:41 klmmlk 4 is more than 1 ? realy ? 22:41 PureTryOut[m] I guess `/proc/version` reports the Linux compatibility layer version 22:41 Megaf[m] Debian is a collection of software, 22:41 PureTryOut[m] (FreeBSD can run most Linux programs by using a compatibility layer) 22:42 Megaf[m] however I'm not sure this thing can run Linux apps 22:43 klmmlk Yes Megaf[m], I know that Linux is only kernel, but kfreebsd is kernel. You can't have two kernels running.. so what the hell... 22:43 Megaf[m] heh 22:44 klmmlk If your kernel is kfreebsd, what is the "Linux" on /proc/version ? 22:46 Megaf[m] maybe glibc was compiled on linux 22:47 klmmlk You installed debian first, and changed the kernel after, or installed FreeBSD and the debian packages after ? 22:48 klmmlk or directly the debian freebsd distro ? 22:48 klmmlk https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ 22:49 Megaf[m] the distro, that one 22:50 Megaf[m] downloading the hurd version now 22:50 klmmlk ok 23:06 Megaf[m] kFreeBSD http://i.imgur.com/qq7XJwc.png vs Debian http://i.imgur.com/qaNB9zI.png 23:06 Megaf[m] FreeBSD more efficient in memory use 23:06 Megaf[m] smaller kernel perhaps 23:07 Megaf[m] 86 MB vs 173 MB 23:07 klmmlk without process significantly in use... test with some postgresql and apache/python or django running, with firefox. 23:07 * Megaf[m] remembers running Arch Linux + xterm + XChat + FluxBox using 14 MB of RAM. 23:07 Megaf[m] back in the day 23:08 klmmlk usage for themself as kernels is not the usage for hosted processes. Perhaps a kernel use more resource to handle another process than himself. 23:10 klmmlk to compare, need to have to compare the outputs of top. 23:15 rubenwardy I personally think you should use my kernel, Andrux 23:15 rubenwardy it's like Andrex, but you can flush it down the toilet before you even use it 23:17 klmmlk I personally think you should use no kernel at all, and go outside searching for the verity, the happyness, the love, the acomplishment of yourself, and the sun on your skin. 23:17 klmmlk eventually. 23:17 klmmlk but what to do if the accomplishment of myself is to begin a kernel programmer ? 23:27 Megaf[m] klmmlk: your life is sad 23:28 Megaf[m] thankfully im no programmer 23:28 Megaf[m] im sysadmin... also lifeless 23:31 Megaf[m] first image I have ever uploaded to my account in imgur 23:31 Megaf[m] http://i.imgur.com/sl1P09k.jpg 23:31 Megaf[m] and until today, the only one 23:34 klmmlk I havent an imgur account... 23:35 Megaf[m] I didnt know I had until I tried to create on today xP 23:35 klmmlk lol 23:40 Megaf[m] an interesting OS would be Hurd running GNUStep, with some kind of kernel integrated graphical server