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00:52 MinetestBot [git] Thomas--S -> minetest/minetest_game: Doors: Fix wood/glass doors not opening or closing 6a55e15 https://git.io/vy5p9 (2017-03-19T00:43:12Z)
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02:11 kaeza greetings
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02:42 Arthur_D Just FYI, we had someone come over to our channel and spam us about joining #minetest, the way it was done is really not appreciated and this person/bot has been banned
02:45 VanessaE that's not something we advocate here.
02:46 VanessaE out of curiosity, what channel was it?
02:47 Arthur_D #supertuxkart
02:49 Arthur_D We like other projects too, but coming in and pinging people by name to join a channel, immediately disconnect, rinse and repeat several times... I'm not blaming you guys, but thought you might like to know if you have an overzealous fan doing it
02:50 Arthur_D Oh and they changed nick between reconnects, so it seemed like they knew they shouldn't do that
02:54 VanessaE whow as doing it?
02:55 Arthur_D By IP it was 190.38.95.237
02:58 Arthur_D Nicks used were MetroGoldwinMaye, Mcg9 and Dargod
03:00 VanessaE None of those show up in my log
03:00 VanessaE (neither does the IP)
03:00 Arthur_D http://irc.wxm.be/logs/%23supertuxkart.2017.03.log just search for MetroGoldwinMaye
03:01 Arthur_D Ok
03:01 VanessaE probably just some random troll. :-/
03:01 Arthur_D Probably
03:01 Arthur_D Just thought you might like to know since it kinda drags you down
03:02 Arthur_D Not much you can do of course
03:03 VanessaE we certainly appreciate the head's up
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03:06 Arthur_D I just hope they don't do it many places
03:07 Arthur_D Would be a shame for you to be associated with that
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05:37 sofar Arthur_D: would you like to have our spammer? Some fun new Quran quote every day!
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07:45 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Update server min protocol version to v24 (#5411) f8ad01a https://git.io/vydtw (2017-03-19T07:44:29Z)
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10:46 Milan[m] i like modding with vim. https://social.tchncs.de/users/milan/updates/3935 xD
10:49 Krock ack.
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11:35 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Block access to the `io` library 2e3778e https://git.io/vydZM (2017-03-19T11:34:33Z)
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12:19 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Refactor Game class (part 2) (#5422) 3c4ac70 https://git.io/vydc4 (2017-03-19T12:18:52Z)
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13:27 red-001 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=17052
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13:32 Fixer red-001: wait... you can run client-side mods even if server dissalows it?
13:32 red-001 yes
13:33 red-001 why?
13:33 Jordach but can the server run stuff client side
13:33 Jordach :thinking:
13:33 red-001 not yet
13:33 red-001 we devs are a bit paranoid
13:34 Jordach the server needs to be able to do something client side
13:34 Jordach read: os.exec disabled entirely
13:34 Fixer format c:
13:34 red-001 that has been done long ago
13:34 Jordach well, 1 or 2 things, like displaying the item above the hotbar in situations
13:34 Fixer red-001: does it adds timestamps?
13:34 Jordach doing it on the server per server step is laggy
13:34 red-001 we got rid off all known attack vectors
13:35 red-001 we are left with the unknown ones now
13:35 nerzhul server cannot toggle CSM nor execute random code
13:35 red-001 no my mod is pretty basic right now
13:35 nerzhul red-001, interesting usecase heh :)
13:36 red-001 it just creates a peusdo-table using mod storage
13:37 nerzhul red-001, you can retrieve a message ?
13:37 red-001 yes
13:37 red-001 use display
13:37 nerzhul interesting
13:37 nerzhul last message of "user1" ?
13:37 nerzhul :)
13:38 red-001 I don't feel like writing a parser
13:38 Fixer red-001: does it save logged messages to file?
13:38 red-001 yes
13:38 Fixer red-001: what file?
13:38 red-001 it uses modstorage
13:38 Fixer ah ok
13:38 red-001 it's a json file
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13:39 red-001 not raw text
13:39 Fixer ah
13:39 red-001 iirc client/modstorage
13:39 Fixer red-001: will be useful to have ability to export to raw text in file
13:39 red-001 I can't do that
13:39 nerzhul Fixer, we don't permit raw files client side to prevent bad usage
13:40 Fixer oh...
13:40 nerzhul the only way to have persistent storage is to use modstorage api
13:40 red-001 I could create an external program
13:40 Fixer no need
13:40 nerzhul this perits mt to prevent modders to do bad things with files on the user disk :)
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13:40 nerzhul we do a strong sandbox client side
13:40 Fixer red-001: there is limit of text stored?
13:40 red-001 don't think so
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13:41 red-001 no one added that yet
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13:41 Fixer red-001: in your mod I mean
13:41 Megaf I really hate Linux man
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13:41 nerzhul at this moment there is no mod storage limit but it will be added client side, for example 50Mo per mod maximum
13:41 red-001 It would be a bit hard to add that
13:42 Megaf I hate how lots of software just max out the volume here, destroying my hearing
13:42 Megaf when Im using headphones
13:42 Fixer nerzhul: configurable I hope? it should depend on mod I guess
13:42 red-001 nerzhul, is it possible to remove a modstorage index?
13:43 nerzhul red-001, i don't remember we have this
13:43 nerzhul you can empty your value
13:44 red-001 does that remove it from the storage file or does it just set it to an empty string?
13:48 nerzhul no it just empty it, it's already registered
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13:57 Fixer red-001: add some readme to it
13:59 red-001 well I could just copy the in-mod help text
13:59 Fixer red-001: please do
13:59 Megaf guys, can you please open /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and tell me what's your default for flat-volumes
14:01 red-001 flat-volumes = no
14:01 red-001 ; flat-volumes = yes
14:01 Fixer red-001: ok, it records the messages, and it is kinda readable from modstorage by eyes, which is good
14:02 red-001 you can display the messages in-game btw
14:02 nerzhul testing now my current optimisations
14:03 red-001 just do /chatlog display <really_large_number> to see all the messages
14:04 Fixer red-001: only says finished reading log but displays nothing
14:04 red-001 werid
14:04 nerzhul callgrind doesn't permit to render many images lawl, dratime > 2sec
14:05 red-001 and there is stuff in the chatlog?
14:05 Fixer red-001: yep
14:05 red-001 wait let me test it again with an empty log
14:06 red-001 it works for me
14:07 Fixer red-001: ok, works for me too, number was too large and gave wrong impression
14:08 Fixer since if you type 100 it will repeat everything the same way
14:08 red-001 I can't cause that
14:08 red-001 /chatlog display 100000000000000000000000000000
14:09 red-001 it still works correctly
14:09 Fixer it works fine, nevermind
14:09 red-001 btw clear doesn't remove the data
14:09 sfan5 Megaf: https://wiki.archlinux.org/​index.php/PulseAudio#daemon.conf see the thing about flat-volumes
14:10 red-001 it just resets the index and lets the data get overwriten
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14:30 Wapanese Hello. I found some Nyan Cats. Why are they rare and useless?
14:30 XeonSquared is there a MT mod that does elevators in the form of jump to go up, sneak to go down?
14:34 Fixer kek
14:34 Fixer XeonSquared: using newest mtg?
14:34 XeonSquared yeah, 0.4.15, newest stable
14:34 Fixer XeonSquared: don't know any yet, there were some brainstorming about this
14:34 Fixer XeonSquared: ah, you was asking something different
14:35 Fixer no idea then
14:35 red-001 nyancats might have to be removed
14:35 Fixer XeonSquared: ropes?
14:35 red-001 trademark reasons
14:35 red-001 turns out someone trademarked a meme
14:35 XeonSquared Fixer: no like
14:35 XeonSquared in a MC mod
14:36 XeonSquared there are elevator blocks
14:36 Fixer XeonSquared: can you post a link to MC mod?
14:36 XeonSquared you stand on them and jump to teleport to the one above and sneak to teleport to the one below
14:36 Fixer ahh
14:36 red-001 also does hexchat not save the ignore list when you restart it?
14:36 XeonSquared they need LOS and work only vertically
14:36 Fixer XeonSquared: there are mods for that in MT
14:37 Fixer XeonSquared: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4877
14:37 red-001 I though Wapanese  and Co. where on my ignore list
14:37 Fixer XeonSquared: you can try searching on forum or here: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/mod​Search.php?st=0&amp;at=0&amp;q=teleport
14:38 XeonSquared Oh right mod search exists
14:38 XeonSquared I should bookmark it and never check my bookmarks
14:39 Wapanese ^_^
14:39 XeonSquared Sorry for the idiot questions on occasion
14:39 XeonSquared Though I s'pose they're still better than some others
14:40 Fixer XeonSquared: at first I though you asked about sneak elevators alternatives since it was fixed few days ago %)
14:40 Fixer thought*
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16:51 kaeza greetings
16:57 Krock o/ kaeza
16:59 red-001 hi kaeza
16:59 kaeza hi Krock, red-001
17:16 Milan[m] lol i confused my client a bit during servershutdown...
17:16 * Milan[m] uploaded an image: 2017-03-19-181029_1920x1200_scrot.png (45KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/tchncs.de/JQiBeieqkosPtvRvOoTDkJIb
17:16 Milan[m] (worked again after some seconds)
17:18 Megaf so this matrix thing is like a decentralizated internet?
17:19 Megaf Milan[m]: ^
17:19 Calinou it is federated, so yes
17:20 Milan[m] y
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17:23 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix /shutdown or ^C no longer causing server exit 525d2a0 https://git.io/vydah (2017-03-19T17:21:18Z)
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17:24 Megaf[m] Hm
17:24 Megaf[m] This is VERY weird
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17:25 Megaf[m] Riot is one of the craziest things I have ever seen
17:25 Milan[m] welcome to matrix, Megaf
17:25 Milan[m] 🎉
17:26 Milan[m] well riot is not attepting to be just another im app - it is oriented in slack.
17:26 Megaf[m] Calinou: You should use Riot too, So I can see when you are typing, lol
17:27 Megaf[m] Milan: I'm not in the Matrix yet, just created a Riot account
17:28 Megaf[m] not sure if this is my Matrix account to or not
17:28 Milan[m] you joined the matrix.org flagship server, yes+
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17:29 Megaf[m] How do I host a website in the Matrix?
17:29 Megaf[m] can I?
17:30 Milan[m] a website? in theory yes
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17:32 Calinou Megaf[m]: sorry, I like my IRC bouncer
17:32 Calinou and Quassel feels snappier than Riot
17:33 Calinou (which needs a lot of work in the performance area)
17:33 Megaf[m] I gave up of Quassel
17:33 Megaf[m] I'm too heavy for it
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17:36 * twoelk likes his portable KVIrc
17:36 Megaf[m] heh, I used to use kvirc way back
17:37 Megaf[m] back in 2002
17:37 numzero does anyone use Konversation?
17:37 Megaf[m] It was amazing, profile images, audio and video chat, file transfers, IM, it had it all
17:37 Megaf[m] before it was cool
17:37 Calinou numzero: I used to, a long time ago
17:37 Megaf[m] all based on the good old IRC
17:37 numzero do you know how to make it connect to Freenode via Tor?
17:38 Calinou nope
17:38 Megaf[m] just enable the socksv5 in tor and make it use it
17:38 numzero uh, that works for other servers
17:38 numzero but freenode requires SASL
17:38 Megaf[m] yep
17:39 numzero which Konversation must support, but it seems it doesn’t work
17:39 Megaf[m] hm
17:40 sfan5 numzero: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
17:41 Megaf[m] PureTryOut: who are you?
17:41 Megaf[m] ok, I have a matrix server, now what?
17:41 Megaf[m] :S
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17:42 numzero I had read that
17:43 numzero well, it seems I need to try different IRC client
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17:44 Megaf[m] I have my matrix server running but I have no idea what to do with it
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17:48 Milan[m] riot is snappy for me on each device including phone...
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17:49 M6 Hello Hy not using discord
17:49 M6 IRC is old now
17:50 M6 We nées to go fast ans start usong thé futur
17:50 Megaf[m] dat ortografy
17:50 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: who am I? what kind of question is that?
17:50 Megaf[m] PureTryOut: I mean, names on Matrix and nicks on IRC often differ
17:51 M6 Sorry i m on Android ans thé keyboard change thé word by himself
17:52 Megaf[m] so you should use gboard, that's the Google's keyboard for Android, and choose the proper language for it
17:52 Megaf[m] it will detect the language you want to type automatically
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17:56 M6 Il i have it now
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18:00 Megaf[m] sorry Milan , I don't like this Matrix thing
18:00 Megaf[m] totally unnecessary
18:00 Megaf[m] I don't see the point on it
18:00 Megaf[m] what's it's objective?
18:02 twoelk skynet backdoor?
18:02 johnnyjoy Anyone know how to get node information in lua using only the node name, such as default:dirt?
18:02 twoelk what info?
18:03 johnnyjoy The node information that was used to create the node, like it's description, image, etc.
18:03 behalebabo the minetest.registered_nodes table, example: minetest.registered_nodes["​default:dirt"].description
18:03 Milan[m] Megaf: what ever
18:04 johnnyjoy As a person who was just too lazy to look at the source, I thank you behalebabo. :)
18:07 red-001_ M6, I tried to create a minetest discord server
18:07 red-001_ no one used it
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18:11 Megaf[m] discord is closed source
18:12 red-001_ I don't really mind
18:12 red-001_ but I understand that some people here care about stuff like that
18:13 Megaf[m] better use Mumble
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18:19 fireglow lovely Mumble
18:20 fireglow but you can't really compare Discord to Mumble
18:20 fireglow Discord has got everything
18:21 Megaf[m] agaran: by the way, I'm running a mumble server on mt.megaf.info
18:21 Megaf[m] and I'm joining the server right now
18:21 Megaf[m] !up mt.megaf.info
18:21 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (8ms)
18:22 Megaf[m] !server Megaf
18:22 MinetestBot Megaf[m]: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
18:22 Megaf[m] dat one
18:22 fireglow !server games.firc.de
18:22 MinetestBot fireglow: No results
18:22 Megaf[m] the one on port 3000 is a secret
18:22 fireglow !server firc
18:22 MinetestBot fireglow: No results
18:22 sfan5 !server Enclave
18:22 MinetestBot sfan5: Free mining, Master Builders Enclave [EU/DE] | games.firc.de | Clients: 6/25, 6/13 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
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18:22 fireglow sfan5 knows my server name, but I don't
18:22 fireglow sfan5 the top lad
18:25 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: well in my case it's the same, although my IRC nick has `[m]` behind it (showing that I'm a Matrix user)
18:25 Megaf[m] oh, ok
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18:25 PureTryOut[m] you asked what the point of Matrix is?
18:26 PureTryOut[m] http://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#wha​t-is-the-difference-between-matrix-and-irc
18:26 Megaf[m] we are talking about it on the Matrix channel
18:27 PureTryOut[m] why did you leave #linux:matrix.org?
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18:29 fireglow PureTryOut[m]: what client are you using?
18:29 red-001_ matrix?
18:30 PureTryOut[m] Riot, although I sometimes use Weechat and Quaternion as well (if you're asking about a Matrix client)
18:31 fireglow yes I am
18:31 fireglow hmm, weechat plugin, nice
18:31 red-001_ !tell bigfoot547 maybe you could put your mod on the forum?
18:31 MinetestBot red-001_: I'll pass that on when bigfoot547 is around
18:31 fireglow Megaf[m]: yes
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18:33 fireglow ownage
18:35 Jordach Matrix: Discord for Linux neckbeards
18:35 fireglow[m] hehe
18:35 fireglow[m] true
18:36 Jordach and yet Discord is wiping the floor with both TS, Vent, TS3, Mumble, and Matrix
18:36 Jordach (this also includes skype since the addition of 1:1 peer calling)
18:36 red-001_ still a better choice then using bsd
18:36 fireglow[m] omg how dare you
18:37 Jordach at least BSD doesn't have systemd
18:37 red-001_ https://xkcd.com/349/
18:39 PureTryOut[m] > Discord wiping the floor with Mumble and Matrix
18:39 PureTryOut[m] lol
18:39 Jordach because it has a working phone and tablet app that is official
18:39 Jordach the problem with open source is fragmentation
18:39 Jordach or do we have to talk about android
18:40 PureTryOut[m] you do know Riot is also available for phones right?
18:40 fireglow[m] yeah, truly out of the box discord is easy as heck to set up
18:40 Jordach fireglow[m], and for extra cosmetic features it's $5 a month
18:40 red-001_ lol at least half of the minix 3 wikipedia page is a list of all the reliability measures
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18:48 fireglow is there a tunable on either the server or client that entity display distance is increased?
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18:54 sfan5 fireglow: active_object_send_range_blocks
18:54 fireglow sfan5: cheers!
18:54 fireglow twice you are my saviour tonight
18:58 swift110 hey all
18:59 PureTryOut[m] hey swift110
19:02 fireglow hi swift110
19:03 Megaf[m] Hi swift110
19:04 Megaf[m] gnome redshift is pretty neat, works well
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19:05 Megaf[m] (It changes the colour temperature of your display according to the time of day/sun position)
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19:11 Milan[m] it is hard to follow the context in this channel...
19:12 PureTryOut[m] not really. there is enough time between the subjects :p
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19:24 red-001_ so modstorage:from_table save a table?
19:25 red-001_ and modstorage:to_table loads one?
19:26 red-001_ nvm
19:26 red-001_ I was wrong
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19:49 fireglow[m] What happens in IRC when I upload a file to the matrix channel?
19:49 fireglow[m] only one way to find out!
19:50 * fireglow[m] uploaded an image: 99ea1b8d69873979.jpg (1259KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/YmkkHGTiwYPTRKigSFOhBHqF
19:50 fireglow ooh ok, cool
19:50 Krock lovely
19:53 fireglow[m] ;)
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20:01 Fixer i still don't get this matrix thing
20:03 fireglow[m] ask me about matrix
20:03 red-001_ https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=17060
20:05 behalebabo what effect does server_side_occlusion_culling have on CPU usage? is it lighter to enable or disable it?
20:05 Milan[m] Fixer, https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html
20:05 red-001_ you might want to ask IhrFussel
20:06 red-001_ iirc he devloped it and uses it on his server
20:08 behalebabo ok, thanks, I read the PR and it seems that enabling is very slightly more costly
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20:20 klmmlk hi everyone
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20:21 red-001_ hi
20:23 klmmlk I'm having a compilation problem. I try for the first time to compile minetst, I'm on ubuntu 15.10, x64, all dependancies installed, http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest read twice, etc...
20:23 klmmlk and I have this nice lovely error message:
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20:24 klmmlk usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libcurl.a(libcurl_la-ssluse.o): référence au symbole non défini «SSL_get_verify_result@@OPENSSL_1.0.0»
20:25 klmmlk lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
20:25 klmmlk collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
20:26 klmmlk I have tryed the OpenSSL and the Gnutls flavors of libcurl4
20:27 Megaf[m] klmmlk: http://termbin.com/d5vo
20:28 Megaf[m] libcurl4-gnutls-dev
20:28 Megaf[m] and this is the package you need
20:28 Jordach >-- LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua.
20:28 Jordach Megaf[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1DEFfQ8oc
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20:29 klmmlk libcurl4-gnutls-dev is installed
20:31 klmmlk Megaf, why depth=1 ?
20:31 Megaf makes the download much smaller and shorter and quicker
20:31 klmmlk ok
20:32 Megaf it only downloads the latest "snapshot" of the git
20:32 Megaf Jordach: I don't get it, normies?
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20:38 Jordach Megaf, normies refer to people who don't visit the chan imageboards
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20:38 Megaf I'm a normie then
20:38 Aceton Hello
20:38 Jordach in short: wheres the LuaJIT
20:38 swift110 lol
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20:42 J03 Is An0n3m0us here?
20:42 Megaf can't see him
20:42 J03 here before?
20:43 fireglow !seen An0n3m0us
20:43 MinetestBot fireglow: an0n3m0us was last seen at 2017-03-18 21:26:36 UTC on #minetest
20:43 Megaf coulnd't see him
20:43 fireglow yesterday
20:43 klmmlk Megaf[m], http://pastebin.com/A5z07s7a
20:44 J03 @fireglow thx
20:44 J03 I'll see later
20:44 J03 we are creating a movie in Blender together
20:44 J03 I expected him to be here
20:44 fireglow who will write the first minetest<->matrix bridge?
20:44 fireglow (not me)
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20:45 klmmlk what is matrix ?
20:45 Megaf klmmlk: what version of Ubuntu you have?
20:45 klmmlk (not the film i supose)
20:45 klmmlk Megaf, 15.10
20:45 klmmlk wily
20:45 Megaf klmmlk: is a chat thing, Megaf[m] is on the matrix
20:45 fireglow klmmlk: ttps://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html
20:45 fireglow klmmlk: https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html
20:46 klmmlk thx fireglow
20:46 Megaf klmmlk: Baffy[m] fireglow[m] Megaf[m] Milan[m] passant[m] PureTryOut[m] and yusf[m] we are all in the Matrix
20:47 Milan[m] we're all here \o/
20:47 Emperor_Genshin http://imgur.com/UHpXJkK made a model, need feedback
20:47 klmmlk which pill is the good one ? the blue or the red ?
20:47 Megaf red I think
20:47 klmmlk What happens if I take the tow ones ? is the blue one a placebo ?
20:48 Milan[m] i have to confess, passant[m] is my old matrix.org account - running an own server at tchncs.de now. :)
20:48 Megaf[m] http://matrix.org/docs/pro​jects/client/redpill.html
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20:49 klmmlk Megaf, any idea ?
20:50 klmmlk perhaps my curl lib path ?
20:51 Megaf I have no idea, you use Ubuntu, there's so many things that could be wrong.
20:51 klmmlk I use an operating system... there's so many things that could be wrong...
20:52 klmmlk ;D
20:52 klmmlk Anyway, thank you for your help.
20:53 fireglow the NSA loves all operating systems equally
20:53 Megaf klmmlk: remove the ssl libs you installed
20:53 Megaf with the --purge option
20:53 Megaf and install the curl one again
20:53 Megaf your ssl lib is broken
20:53 klmmlk good idea...
20:56 Megaf /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.la and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.so
20:56 Megaf examples of the lib it could find
20:56 Megaf not the thing it found
20:57 PureTryOut[m] Milan: it'd be nice to clean that account up. log in on it, leave all the rooms, etc
20:57 * PureTryOut[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-03-19_21-58-10.png (5KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/bhczvqckfqEEpkmHRAVszDLq
20:57 PureTryOut[m] or that ^
20:57 Milan[m] but it was an important backup account already
20:58 PureTryOut[m] lol
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20:58 Milan[m] i even have a vivaldi.net email adress in case there is a problem with my server/hoster.
20:58 PureTryOut[m] ugh vivaldi...
20:59 Milan[m] u're right... i should use googlemail instead
20:59 PureTryOut[m] ugh google...
20:59 PureTryOut[m] :p
21:00 fireglow Milan[m]: why not posteo :D
21:00 Milan[m] i wonder what problem u have with vivaldi
21:00 Milan[m] ugh posteo
21:00 PureTryOut[m] proprietary obviously
21:00 Milan[m] oh right so let's use the gnome browser everybody
21:01 PureTryOut[m] huh? just get Firefox or Chromium :p
21:01 PureTryOut[m] does GNOME even have a browser?
21:01 PureTryOut[m] *it's own browser?
21:01 Milan[m] so firefox is 100% opensource that's new to me
21:01 fireglow I only use w3m
21:01 PureTryOut[m] not sure it is, probably. still tons better than Vivaldi
21:01 fireglow use Brave
21:01 Milan[m] lol brave...
21:02 fireglow less laughing, more using
21:02 klmmlk I've tried Brave...
21:02 klmmlk lol
21:02 klmmlk I've tried...
21:02 Milan[m] can someone login here? somewhat seems to be wrong but it could be my internet as well... https://m.tchncs.de/
21:02 fireglow lol techncs.de
21:03 fireglow virus confirmed
21:03 Milan[m] only people smart enough will be able to remember the correct domain - it's always funny
21:03 Milan[m] >:]
21:04 Milan[m] i guess i need to tell my webserver about websocket
21:04 Milan[m] or not... hmmm
21:04 Megaf[m] klmmlk: any luck?
21:04 Megaf[m] with minetest
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21:10 fireglow lolol
21:11 klmmlk Megaf, Am tryin'...
21:12 Megaf[m] Jordach_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PYCV2Uj6SA
21:12 klmmlk pirgin, reinstallin, reinstalling dependancies killed by ssl stuff removal...
21:12 Megaf[m] This thing sounds good even listening from the camera's microphone
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21:16 klmmlk Hum... Megaf, basically, it seems to be an sort of ancient relic just like an old 4G streaming sounds device ;D
21:30 dzho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcFFM2k9TYU lutherans vs charismatics
21:30 dzho http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000048/quotes C-3p0 against my programming to impersonate a deity
21:31 dzho https://missing-license.csh.rit.edu/ AWOL
21:36 dzho https://outagemap.rge.com/
21:36 dzho http://hoopycat.com/rgeoutages/
21:36 dzho http://www.rge.com/outages/outageinformation.html
21:36 fireglow is dzho a bot?
21:37 benrob0329 id say a bot or a spammer
21:37 dzho oooh
21:37 dzho sorry
21:37 dzho wrong channel!
21:40 dzho (well, wrong window *and* wrong channel)
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21:58 Megaf[m] dzho: that video is actually not bad
21:58 Megaf[m] im wathcing it, the guy is good
21:58 * Megaf[m] is Lutheran
22:02 klmmlk Megaf[m], I have some news about compiling... it's... worst ? --> http://pastebin.com/fwYAqvUq
22:04 Megaf[m] Calinou_: ^
22:04 Megaf[m] S'il vous plaît
22:04 klmmlk Donc tu parles français ?
22:05 Megaf[m] je ne parle pas français
22:05 klmmlk ceci n'est pas une pipe.
22:05 Megaf[m] Pourquoi?
22:06 klmmlk Pourquoi quoi ? Pourquoi ce n'est pas une pipe ou bien pourquoi tu parles français ?
22:06 klmmlk ce n'est pas une pipe --> je ne parles pas français.
22:07 klmmlk Tu parles français, parce que c'est mieux pour moi si je peux m'expriemr en français.
22:07 twoelk that is indeed a nice matisse
22:07 Megaf[m] No man, I don't speak French
22:07 Megaf[m] I understand a bit of it
22:07 twoelk argh magritte?
22:08 Megaf[m] twoelk: I don't even know what you are talking about
22:08 dzho Megaf[m]: I came across by happenstance, it was a hit when I was looking up the bit from C-3P0 in the following (imdb) link
22:09 dzho though the thing I had in mind to start was actually a ghostbuster's quote: "when someone asks you if you are a god, you say 'yes'"
22:09 twoelk the pipe referance to the picture of wich it is not because it is just canvas and not the pictured object
22:11 Megaf[m] well, all I know is that I'm installing a frankstein here, BSD kernel with Linux userland.
22:11 fireglow how dare you
22:11 fireglow BSD all the way
22:11 Megaf[m] But I've done worse in the past, Solaris kernel with GNU userland.
22:11 Megaf[m] more precisely, Ubuntu userland on top of Solaris Kernel
22:12 Megaf[m] now I'm doing Debian userland on top of FreeBSD Kernel
22:12 Megaf[m] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi​a/commons/4/4f/NexentaOS_desktop.png
22:12 Megaf[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexenta_OS
22:12 fireglow sodomy
22:13 Megaf[m] It was a cool OS man
22:13 Megaf[m] several years ago
22:13 Megaf[m] this is what I'm installing right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD
22:13 klmmlk Megaf[m], are u using this kind of OS in real-life use cases ? if yes, which ones ?
22:14 Megaf[m] klmmlk: for real work I use normal Debian
22:15 twoelk https://upload.wikimedia.org/wik​ipedia/en/b/b9/MagrittePipe.jpg
22:15 klmmlk lol twoelk
22:16 twoelk https://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/The_Treachery_of_Images
22:18 ronsor BSD is best
22:18 fireglow ronsor knows what's up
22:19 klmmlk MenuetOS is best
22:19 Megaf[m] ok, cinnamon doesnt start on kFreeBSD, for some reason
22:19 Megaf[m] MenuetOS is cool
22:19 fireglow I bet the error message was "lol get real"
22:20 Megaf[m] installing LXDE
22:23 ronsor I'm gonna write my own OS
22:23 ronsor and then write a minetest version for it
22:23 ronsor i'm actually serious about that
22:23 ronsor i need to finish my OS
22:23 Hawk777 Nah. OSs are boring. Port Minetest to VHDL and run it on raw hardware :D
22:24 ronsor i dont have an fpga
22:24 ronsor nor do i know vhdl
22:24 ronsor so OS it is
22:24 ronsor Estimated time remaining: 6 months
22:24 Hawk777 That might be a problem.
22:24 ronsor and probably atleast 2 years until i get my minetest clone up to speed
22:24 ronsor because my OS only runs Lua(R) scripts
22:25 klmmlk ronsor, what is the git repos for your os ?
22:25 ronsor it's not open source
22:25 ronsor not the old version
22:25 ronsor the new version will be
22:25 red-001 port mt to ASIC
22:25 ronsor https://os.openstar.pw/shot1.png
22:25 ronsor https://os.openstar.pw/openstar-iso.zip
22:26 ronsor also ignore the end user license agreement
22:26 red-001 you made a lua os?
22:26 ronsor yes
22:26 ronsor it's mostly written in Lua
22:26 ronsor the task scheduler is too
22:26 ronsor all the apps
22:26 klmmlk ronsor: connexion error.
22:26 red-001 so does it run on real hardware?
22:26 ronsor it should
22:27 Megaf[m] Minetest on bare metal, that would be cool
22:27 ronsor http://os.openstar.pw/openstar-iso.zip
22:27 ronsor http://os.openstar.pw/shot1.png
22:27 ronsor fixed
22:27 Megaf[m] quite doable for the server
22:27 ronsor no https
22:27 ronsor also my internet is terrible
22:27 ronsor prepare to wait for any download
22:27 ronsor since i run it at home
22:27 red-001 what sort of kernal does it have?
22:28 red-001 are you using an existing kernal or is it a new one?
22:28 klmmlk I have looked to your source code, and I have something to say to you: You msut change that blue color a bit for another blue tone.
22:28 ronsor no i wrote it from scratch
22:28 ronsor in C
22:28 klmmlk lol
22:28 ronsor also don't worry about the blue
22:28 ronsor theming is supported
22:28 ronsor i just never wrote a panel for it
22:29 ronsor i stopped development on that version
22:29 ronsor because it's 32-bit
22:29 ronsor i'm moving to 64-bit
22:29 ronsor you have to edit arcane config files in /etc
22:29 red-001 you site doesn't seem to be very stable
22:29 ronsor it isn't
22:29 ronsor it's hosted at home
22:29 ronsor and the uptime is terrible (my internet not the box itself)
22:29 ronsor and the speed too (thanks comcast)
22:29 ronsor just keep trying(R)
22:30 red-001 get some sort of free online host
22:30 ronsor i hate free hosting
22:30 ronsor i should get a cdn
22:30 Megaf[m] It's alive!!
22:30 klmmlk why not opensourced the first version, but the second ?
22:30 ronsor but currently the original site isn't even up
22:30 * Megaf[m] @ kFreeBSD
22:30 red-001 also I don't have comcast but f**k comcast
22:31 Megaf[m] Debian userland on FreeBSD
22:31 Megaf[m] it works :D
22:31 Megaf[m] with LXDE
22:31 ronsor klmmlk because the code is terrible
22:31 ronsor i wrote code that looks terrible
22:31 klmmlk lol
22:31 ronsor i don't want people to know that
22:31 ronsor also it's kind of hard to build
22:31 ronsor the build system uses tons of weird absolute paths and stuff
22:32 ronsor it even has it's own archive format
22:32 ronsor the FAR archive
22:32 ronsor FARchive
22:32 Megaf[m] how do I screenshot on LXDE?
22:32 red-001 so how does it compare to other archive formats?
22:32 ronsor well it's really simple
22:32 klmmlk "print screen" key on your keyboard ?
22:32 ronsor iirc the format is <file> <size> <data>
22:33 ronsor i wrote unpacker and packers for bash and lua
22:33 red-001 I meant the compression algormith it uses
22:33 ronsor oh
22:33 ronsor it doesn't use one hehehe
22:33 PureTryOut[m] Megaf: you do realize LXDE is purely the interface? it can not take screenshots on itself. I'm assuming you're running Lubuntu. Just install any screenshot tool. I just use Xfce's screenshot program (`xfce4-screenshooter`), works quite nicely
22:33 ronsor it was planned but i abandoned that version
22:34 ronsor thus it's unfinished
22:34 fireglow ronsor: ERR_TUNNEL_CONNECTION_FAILED
22:34 ronsor fireglow: just try again(R)
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22:34 Megaf[m] PureTryOut: most DEs include screenshoter
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22:34 red-001 have you heard of templeOS?
22:34 ronsor yes
22:34 fireglow red-001 xD
22:34 ronsor it's written by a crazy person
22:34 Megaf[m] anyway, I just used my old friend scrot
22:34 Megaf[m] Im subscribed to TempleOS channel
22:34 PureTryOut[m] that's a good screenshooter ;)
22:35 Megaf[m] there. http://i.imgur.com/gYsvbqd.png
22:35 Megaf[m] :D
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22:38 PureTryOut[m] that's not a lot of RAM
22:38 PureTryOut[m] your PC only has 1GB?
22:38 PureTryOut[m] ooh wait
22:38 klmmlk TempleOS seems pretty good for making an NSA-free server farm. The killer feature for that: No networking at all !
22:38 PureTryOut[m] not even that, 1024 would be 1GB
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22:39 PureTryOut[m] how do you use less than that? ^
22:39 PureTryOut[m] hmm FreeBSD, maybe that matters
22:40 nerzhul FreeBSD powa :)
22:40 Megaf[m] That's just a VM for that
22:40 nerzhul but only for server
22:40 Megaf[m] but my laptop has only 4 GB total anyway
22:40 klmmlk Megaf[m], I can't understand what I see. uname saying kfreebsd, but /proc/version saying Linux... what is my lack of knowledge ?
22:40 Megaf[m] going to upgrade to 16 GB when I got the money
22:40 PureTryOut[m] 4GB > 1GB :p
22:40 klmmlk PureTryOut[m], Are you sure ?
22:41 Megaf[m] klmmlk: is Debian running on FreeBSD
22:41 Megaf[m] Linux is just a kernel
22:41 klmmlk 4 is more than 1 ? realy ?
22:41 PureTryOut[m] I guess `/proc/version` reports the Linux compatibility layer version
22:41 Megaf[m] Debian is a collection of software,
22:41 PureTryOut[m] (FreeBSD can run most Linux programs by using a compatibility layer)
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22:42 Megaf[m] however I'm not sure this thing can run Linux apps
22:43 klmmlk Yes Megaf[m], I know that Linux is only kernel, but kfreebsd is kernel. You can't have two kernels running.. so what the hell...
22:43 Megaf[m] heh
22:44 klmmlk If your kernel is kfreebsd, what is the "Linux" on /proc/version ?
22:46 Megaf[m] maybe glibc was compiled on linux
22:47 klmmlk You installed debian first, and changed the kernel after, or installed FreeBSD and the debian packages after ?
22:48 klmmlk or directly the debian freebsd distro ?
22:48 klmmlk https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
22:49 Megaf[m] the distro, that one
22:50 Megaf[m] downloading the hurd version now
22:50 klmmlk ok
23:06 Megaf[m] kFreeBSD http://i.imgur.com/qq7XJwc.png vs Debian http://i.imgur.com/qaNB9zI.png
23:06 Megaf[m] FreeBSD more efficient in memory use
23:06 Megaf[m] smaller kernel perhaps
23:07 Megaf[m] 86 MB vs 173 MB
23:07 klmmlk without process significantly in use... test with some postgresql and apache/python or django running, with firefox.
23:07 * Megaf[m] remembers running Arch Linux + xterm + XChat + FluxBox using 14 MB of RAM.
23:07 Megaf[m] back in the day
23:08 klmmlk usage for themself as kernels is not the usage for hosted processes. Perhaps a kernel use more resource to handle another process than himself.
23:10 klmmlk to compare, need to have to compare the outputs of top.
23:15 rubenwardy I personally think you should use my kernel, Andrux
23:15 rubenwardy it's like Andrex, but you can flush it down the toilet before you even use it
23:17 klmmlk I personally think you should use no kernel at all, and go outside searching for the verity, the happyness, the love, the acomplishment of yourself, and the sun on your skin.
23:17 klmmlk eventually.
23:17 klmmlk but what to do if the accomplishment of myself is to begin a kernel programmer ?
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23:27 Megaf[m] klmmlk: your life is sad
23:28 Megaf[m] thankfully im no programmer
23:28 Megaf[m] im sysadmin... also lifeless
23:31 Megaf[m] first image I have ever uploaded to my account in imgur
23:31 Megaf[m] http://i.imgur.com/sl1P09k.jpg
23:31 Megaf[m] and until today, the only one
23:34 klmmlk I havent an imgur account...
23:35 Megaf[m] I didnt know I had until I tried to create on today xP
23:35 klmmlk lol
23:40 Megaf[m] an interesting OS would be Hurd running GNUStep, with some kind of kernel integrated graphical server
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