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01:01 redblade7 hey does anyone here by any chance know how the bees mod works?
01:01 redblade7 i cant figure it out
01:02 redblade7 namely, getting a queen bee into the artificial beehive
01:05 VanessaE bas080: *poke*
01:05 VanessaE ^^^
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01:18 redblade7 ok
01:18 redblade7 VanessaE: i'm also looking for a mod, if it exists
01:18 VanessaE ?
01:18 redblade7 is there something similar to the "buy an item from the chest with coins" mod (dontknow the name)
01:18 redblade7 but instead i can have it give away a free item
01:18 redblade7 and can manually as the owner of the chest change that?
01:19 VanessaE currency mod has that feature
01:19 VanessaE or wait
01:19 VanessaE free items too?  hm
01:19 VanessaE not sure
01:20 redblade7 i always wondered how currency mod worked. is it like your mod where you have to fashion a gold coin for the soda machine, but for other coins?
01:23 VanessaE it's for general exchange actually
01:23 VanessaE you can for example accept an iron lump to get give the "buyer" a steel ingot if you wanted
01:23 VanessaE anything for anything.,
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01:25 redblade7 ok
01:25 redblade7 thank you
01:25 redblade7 andit's called "currency"?
01:25 VanessaE yeah
01:25 VanessaE by Dan Duncombe
01:27 XeonSquared Running minetestmapper while the server is running won't cause any issues because it's only reading the world db, right?
01:28 twoelk depends, sqlite doesn't much like it
01:28 redblade7 you could always use cobblestone for "a free item" since it's so easy and  you start out with 99 of them
01:29 XeonSquared welkp
01:29 XeonSquared this'll be interesting then
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01:42 redblade7 looks like unified_inventory_lite with "multi craft free miner" will crash upon loading the inventory screen
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05:23 Hijiri https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=258436#p258436
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06:24 Milan[m]1 Calinou, dunno if you are the right one to mention - the "actionwindow" or whatever the most of us seem to dislike in the forum appears to be called "jumpbox" and appears as well to be configurable. Here is how it should be possible to disable it: https://www.phpbb.com/community/​viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2171587
06:26 Milan[m]1 i am quite sure it is it. https://github.com/phpbb/phpbb/tree/m​aster/phpBB/styles/prosilver/template
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06:46 Milan[m]1 loool wonder why there is no decoration.... typed 213 instead 123
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08:56 IhrFussel How do I access a global table I created inside one mod from another mod? I tried local bla = modname.tablename but it's nil ... I added the mod with the table to the other mod too
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08:57 IhrFussel to the depends.txt of the other mod*
09:01 Krock mod1:  mymod1namespace.mytable = {}     mod2 which depends on mod1:   local specialtable = mymod1namespace.mytable
09:02 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: TOGGLE_CHAT keymap should togglechat not HUD 9f4916a https://git.io/vy5sv (2017-03-18T09:00:04Z)
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09:09 IhrFussel Krock, ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/.minetest/worlds/oldserv​er/worldmods/creative_points/init.lua: 2017-03-18 10:08:49: ERROR[Main]: ...test/worlds/oldserver/worldm​ods/creative_points/init.lua:2: attempt to index global 'creative_points' (a nil value)
09:10 Krock strange. could you please provide the relevant sauce?
09:10 IhrFussel the line is "creative_points.cplist = {}"
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09:12 IhrFussel Krock, http://pastebin.com/7gqfHwe7
09:12 kaeza IhrFussel, you must first creative_points = { }
09:12 Krock creative_points is not a table,t hat's the problem
09:12 An0n3m0us is there an appimage for minetest 0.4.15?
09:13 An0n3m0us or erlier version
09:13 Krock you're trying to index a nil value
09:13 IhrFussel Oh so I need to create 2 tables? And then I can just modify the cplist one for values?
09:13 Krock IhrFussel, creative_points is a table for the whole mod and cplist is the table for the specific data
09:14 Krock you could also use creative_points_llist = {}  to save one table-depth
09:15 kaeza minetest will then complain about undeclared global
09:15 kaeza unless your mod is named creative_points_list(?)
09:16 IhrFussel So can I just do creative_points = {} cplist = {} cplist.test = 1 then in the other mod local bla = creative_points.cplist ?
09:17 kaeza if you're worried about performance, do something like `local list = { }; creative_points = { cplist=list }` then use the local `cplist`
09:17 kaeza er, `list`
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09:28 IhrFussel Krock, I think I'll stick with the creative_points_cplist solution..it's easier and the "undeclared global variable" warning doesn't bother me...or will that be a problem later on?
09:29 Krock as long the table is defined when you'll need it it won't be a problem
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09:39 IhrFussel Huh? Why is the file empty when I try to write the cp to it? I did minetest.log() and it says 4 but the file it is supposed to write it to is empty..created but empty
09:40 kaeza IhrFussel, did you close the file?
09:41 kaeza also, code please
09:41 IhrFussel kaeza, oh so that's what happens when you forget the file:close() line?
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09:41 agaran it may never get flushed
09:41 kaeza ^
09:41 agaran usually file io is buffered..
09:43 IhrFussel Ok then that was likely my problem
09:43 kaeza files are closed when their handle is GC'd
09:43 kaeza but that may take an unspecified amount of time
09:44 kaeza it's always better to explicitly flush/close as needed
09:45 IhrFussel Yep it works now, forgot to close()
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11:55 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Server list cleanup b8484ef https://git.io/vy5Wl (2017-03-18T11:37:57Z)
11:55 MinetestBot [git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Show itemstring as tooltip if no item description 2cc518d https://git.io/vy5W8 (2017-03-18T11:36:28Z)
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12:25 Repenter13 Hi there, can this game be used in a classroom?
12:25 Repenter13 Is it difficult to build/set up a server?
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12:26 Krock sure. In fact it also works fine while writing exams - it's just not good for the resulting mark ;)
12:26 Krock also no, it's quite easy to set up a server. If the command line is too difficult it's still possible to start a server like a singleplayer world
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12:28 Krock !next
12:28 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
12:28 Krock ^ can't confirm if satisfied but next customer may come now
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12:53 Milan[m] there are already people doing this and a client can open a simple server with few clicks.
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13:06 rdococ hm
13:06 rdococ is there a way to spin the player's view?
13:06 Krock do you mean F7?
13:07 rdococ no...
13:07 rdococ I'm basically asking for set_camera_roll
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13:23 rdococ no?
13:23 rdococ :c
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13:34 rdococ Do ores work in the air?
13:46 Krock yes sure, if you set wherein = "air"
13:50 rdococ I never seem to get ores to work :/
13:50 rdococ on a different subject: Say I pointed straight up, what would pointed_thing.under be?
13:51 Krock the node that's behind the pointed one
13:51 Krock -> the node on top of the other
13:52 rdococ what if there is no pointed node? e.g. I point straight up
13:52 Krock then you won't have a pointed_thing unless there's an object
13:52 rdococ hm
13:52 rdococ k
13:52 Krock or something else to point
13:53 Krock for the example you're pointing past a torch on the wall, "under" would be the wall and "above" the torch
13:55 rdococ so would pointed_thing be an empty table? because if pointed_thing is nil when not pointing at anything, this code would error
13:56 rdococ aha
13:56 rdococ type="nothing"
13:57 rdococ hm. is there a function to get the position of the moon in the default skybox?
14:04 Krock doubt it
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14:13 rdococ aw
14:14 rdococ minetest loves to just crash sometimes when I exit a world
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15:18 fireglow !mod moreglass
15:18 MinetestBot fireglow: Could not find anything.
15:18 fireglow !mod moreglas
15:18 MinetestBot fireglow: Could not find anything.
15:21 Milan[m] sfan5? the "actionwindow" or whatever the most of us seem to dislike in the forum appears to be called "jumpbox" and appears as well to be configurable. Here is how it should be possible to disable it: https://www.phpbb.com/community/​viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2171587
15:22 fireglow !mod morewood
15:22 MinetestBot fireglow: Could not find anything.
15:22 fireglow !mod moretrees
15:22 MinetestBot fireglow: More Trees! [moretrees] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4394
15:23 fireglow !mod more*
15:23 MinetestBot fireglow: Could not find anything.
15:23 fireglow where is the db?
15:23 Krock fireglow, http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/mod​Search.php?st=0&at=0&q=%5Bmore
15:23 fireglow Krock: thanks!
15:23 fireglow you own
15:24 Krock np, yes, it's running on "my" website
15:24 fireglow =)
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16:46 rdococ "your" website
17:02 Milan[m] wonder if someone of the team even read my message :/
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17:41 sfan5 Milan[m]: you need to tell celeron55, i'm only a forum moderator
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17:47 Milan[m] oh i see, thanks!
17:50 An0n3m0us are there any appimages for minetest?
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19:28 Megaf o/
19:29 agaran hi Megaf
19:29 Megaf anyone here using Ring? My ring is ring:Megaf
19:30 Milan[m] ew...too busy with migrating to matrix...
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19:32 PureTryOut[m] Matrix++
19:32 Megaf Ring for Windows 10 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us​/store/p/gnu-ring/9nblggh43d70
19:32 Megaf or in your GNOME App Store
19:32 Megaf "Ring allows for secure and distributed communication using DHT. It also supports the SIP protocol."
19:32 Megaf Sounds cool
19:33 Milan[m] oh i am so helpless, i have i3wm, not gnome
19:33 Megaf decentralizated, open source, and video calls and chat
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19:33 Megaf Milan[m]: https://ring.cx/
19:33 Milan[m] matrix as well including e2ee
19:34 Milan[m] megaolm here
19:34 Milan[m] argh looks like drop = needs items = as well!
19:36 Milan[m] argh...syntax!
19:36 Milan[m] ....okey not really syntax, linting succeed...
19:38 Milan[m] hmmm ring is not even there i guess... however https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html
19:39 Milan[m] oh wait i need items = on each item again xD
19:41 Milan[m] hahaaaa.... i won
19:47 Megaf Calinou: Why you no on Ring?
19:48 Calinou no need for it
19:48 Calinou also, the UI isn't quite good
19:48 Megaf Since when we do stuff because a need?
19:49 fireglow what's a ring?
19:49 Calinou it's a free/open source IM app
19:49 fireglow ooh right
19:50 Megaf https://ring.cx/
19:50 Milan[m] i think matrix is the better way to do so but i don't wanna spam the minetest chat with this topic again :D
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19:51 Fixer so much hip stuff those days
19:55 fireglow tox sucked too
19:56 fireglow just use whatsapp lel
19:56 agaran yes.. and all that just to get online on old irc..
19:57 Megaf WhatsApp kinda work nicely now a days
19:57 Megaf but I hate it :D
19:59 fireglow use Signal
19:59 Megaf the app sucks
19:59 fireglow even has a chrome app
19:59 Calinou Telegram is what some of my IRL friends use
20:00 Calinou and… Facebook Messenger [horror]
20:00 Calinou 90% of them use that :(
20:00 Megaf I found my dentist on Telegram. That was crazy
20:00 Megaf on my main phone I only have Hangouts tho. And the duo Allo/Duo
20:01 Megaf Hangouts is INHO the best communication software ever
20:01 Megaf multiplatform, opensource protocol, efficient and do everything
20:03 Calinou Hangouts is not really open source friendly, I'd say
20:03 Calinou Godot Engine has an unofficial Discord, it's going well so far
20:04 PureTryOut[m] Discord--
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20:08 Calinou sure, it's proprietary, but it's a decent IM app
20:08 Calinou without any open source alternative :(
20:08 Calinou Rocket.Chat is ok, but feels too serious :P
20:08 Calinou same for Gitter (which will be open sourced in a few months at most)
20:11 fireglow jabber
20:12 Megaf XMPP
20:12 Megaf Hangouts is XMPP, FaceBook used to be, and the crypto thing from WhatsApp can be traced back to XMPP
20:13 fireglow I use Gajim on PC, Conversations on Android for Jabber, works well
20:16 Milan[m] err hangouts was xmpp
20:16 Milan[m] how did you come from opensource and decentralized to hangouts/whatsapp/facebook in general?
20:17 fireglow I made a bad joke
20:17 Milan[m] matrix did all for me what i was hoping to get with xmpp btw
20:17 fireglow that's what I do, I make bad jokes and shit goes to hell.
20:17 fireglow My name is Donald Trump
20:17 Milan[m] just like mastodon is giving me all gnusocial should be
20:17 Milan[m] and something smells odd in my room
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20:18 fireglow it's me, I'm under your bed
20:18 fireglow do you have a spare soda?
20:18 Milan[m] ooh, one problem less, next problem
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20:21 Megaf Whats Matrix?
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20:22 Megaf I think DHT should rule everything
20:22 Megaf no more DNS/IP stuff
20:22 Milan[m] https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html
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20:40 Megaf man, vanilla ice cream with oreo, that is delicious
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20:52 Milan[m] so u try to protect ur privacy but destroy your body with this poison like stuff?
20:52 Milan[m] ;)
20:56 Megaf once a month, it won't kill me
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22:32 Megaf sfan5: why you no Ring?
22:33 sfan5 i'm already on too many different platforms
22:33 Megaf I know the feeling.
22:33 Megaf I dropped almost everything already
22:33 Megaf sticking to IRC and email tho
22:33 Megaf and WhatsApp because mom
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23:11 Milan[m] lol... getting connection timeout after a crash in singleplayer :D
23:11 Milan[m] ...but only in servermode
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23:12 Milan[m] ah, joining in clientmode, back to server, worked
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23:21 Megaf meh, nouveau driver going nuts here
23:21 Megaf [17391.808048] nouveau 0000:04:00.0: gr: 00000010 [ILLEGAL_MTHD] ch 6 [000f6b8000 systemd-logind[527]] subc 2 class 502d mthd 0320 data 0000001c
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