Time Nick Message 00:02 betterthanyou711 hi MuffinKatt 00:02 betterthanyou711 oops 00:02 betterthanyou711 hi MuffinKat 00:06 GreenDimond :D 00:09 MuffinKat Hii 00:36 MuffinKat Mew 00:38 MuffinKat betterthanyou711: hii 00:46 Nyarg sometimes I have message in console like "trying to store ... but block (-3,0,1) already contains 500 objects". Why is only one contain huge count but another only one object per block ? 00:53 VanessaE because one of the numbers given (...) is just an index, like a count of how many entities have ever been processed, while the other (500) is how many actually made it into the mapblock 01:16 Wuzzy hi 01:16 Wuzzy how can i find out whether the player access the player inventory, or the inventory/formspec of a node (by rightclicking it)? 01:25 Nyarg oops I have huge flat builded with ONE SIDED entity but it seems like irrlicht try draw invisible part of side too as FPS says 03:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Get biome list: Downgrade missing biome message to infostream 134627641 https://git.io/vySnw (152017-03-16T02:56:03Z) 03:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix various problems with sneaking 1314aa990 https://git.io/vySnr (152017-03-16T02:52:59Z) 04:59 MuffinKat HELOOOO MORTALS 05:02 kaeza hello my friend! stay a while and listen 06:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Add ModStorageAPI to client side modding (#5396) 13eb88e5d https://git.io/vySuG (152017-03-16T06:53:39Z) 09:10 riff-IRC Hi 09:15 yusf[m] Is there an actively maintained ambience mod around? 09:16 riff-IRC IDK 09:37 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: [CSM] Add minimap API modifiers (#5399) 1340ce538 https://git.io/vySiF (152017-03-16T09:34:54Z) 10:09 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix indentation problem since merge resolution 13b52f300 https://git.io/vySDs (152017-03-16T10:09:06Z) 10:12 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Freedom of Information Day! 😃 10:16 Milan[m]1 'morning 10:50 Milan[m]1 wasn't there a caverealms fork without falling lava? don't see it in the forklist on github 13:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Mar-14 04:15 UTC I submitted a PR to fix a typo in the Itemstacks chapter in your modding book. 13:27 rubenwardy !tell XtremeHacker thanks! 13:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when XtremeHacker is around 14:18 TalkLounge Is celeron55 there? 14:20 An0n3m0us I believe he isn't 14:20 TalkLounge Hmm 14:21 TalkLounge Ok then bye 14:31 MinetestBot XtremeHacker: Mar-16 13:27 UTC thanks! 15:03 gnu_guix Hello. 15:04 gnu_guix Why partially/non-free mods are allowed on Minetest server (official server list). 15:04 gnu_guix *? 15:04 sfan5 why would we not allow them? 15:04 behalebabo perhaps so as not to restrict freedom of what mods to use? 15:04 sfan5 also can you name some examples 15:05 gnu_guix But it's an official server list. 15:05 sfan5 so? 15:05 gnu_guix And Minetest should be free replacement for Minecraft. 15:05 sfan5 it is 15:06 gnu_guix For example, CC-BY-NC-SA skin is non-free. 15:06 sfan5 (apart from the fact that we don't plan to be a drop-in replacement for mc) 15:06 gnu_guix 4[Not Minetest-related] CC-BY-NC manga is non-free. 15:06 sfan5 gnu_guix: minetest & minetest_game are redistributable under FOSS licenses 15:06 sfan5 what people run on their servers is not directly related to this 15:07 gnu_guix Where can I find the server list source code? 15:08 gnu_guix *source code for server list 15:08 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/master-server 15:11 rafalcpp gnu_guix: lulz 15:12 rafalcpp the gnu"nazis" arrived 15:12 rafalcpp gnu_guix: you can open with open browser an image or web page that is copyrighted, right? it's like this 15:12 gnu_guix CC*ND* is non-free 15:13 gnu_guix rafalcpp: We can use whitelist for this. 15:13 rafalcpp gnu_guix: to achieve what? 15:13 gnu_guix rafalcpp: Freedom. 15:14 rafalcpp I like my freedom to join servers that send me data with agreement that I will not re-share freely that data 15:14 gnu_guix rafalcpp: NDA? 15:14 rafalcpp well or just copyrighted data 15:16 rafalcpp I guess someone could make a patch to mark servers that send you only free mods 15:17 rafalcpp gnu_guix: or just run some totally free (bsd licenced / wtfpl / public-domain) mods server, give it a nice name that freflects that, and add that to default server list 15:17 sfan5 ^ you have the freedom to write such a patch :) 15:17 gnu_guix Why not delete some Freenode channels: 15:18 gnu_guix #anime because of non-free "Anime/Manga of the Week". 15:18 gnu_guix ##windows 15:18 gnu_guix #wow 15:18 gnu_guix etc. 15:18 sfan5 can you move your stallman shilling for #freenode 15:18 sfan5 s/for/to/ 15:18 rafalcpp gnu_guix: uhm, what that has to do with minetest? 15:19 gnu_guix rafalcpp: About Minetest: 15:20 gnu_guix Please check the forum and remove partially/non-free User-contributed mods, maps, texture packs, etc. 15:20 rafalcpp gnu_guix: please eat a dick 15:20 rafalcpp :) 15:20 rafalcpp gnu_guix: in case if you're not trolling but actually wanting to promote GNU, then make a server with such licences, and have it added to default server list 15:20 rafalcpp Wapanese: 15:21 * rafalcpp prefers BSD tho, but who cares that much in this case :) 15:21 * rafalcpp rates 6/10 15:23 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/PRyJ53n.jpg 15:23 Wapanese Anon-kun? /WHOIS Wapanese 15:24 Wapanese Ok. Which license? 15:26 Wapanese Can I use TCP to play Minetest? I want to use Tor to host my server. 15:26 sfan5 no 15:27 Wapanese Why? 15:27 sfan5 that's just how it is 15:27 Wapanese Can I use SSL/TLS with Minetest? 15:28 sfan5 no 15:30 Wapanese Why not encrypt Minetest traffic? 15:30 sfan5 it's a game not a banking application 15:31 Wapanese Man-in-the-Middle griefing? 15:31 sfan5 unlikely 15:32 Wapanese Why use UDP? 15:33 Wapanese I cannot use UDP with Tor. 15:33 sfan5 udp has benefits for gaming 15:33 sfan5 ask google 15:34 Wapanese About Nyan Cat in the game? 15:34 Wapanese *. 15:34 Wapanese Copyright? 15:35 Jordach >encryption doesn't solve anything 15:35 Wapanese Jordach: Why? 15:35 Jordach Wapanese, think about it 15:35 Jordach strange transmissions makes spies look for you more than standard "noise" 15:36 Jordach it's the same reason why i don't autistically sperg in public 15:37 Jordach they look for oddities in patterns for each user 15:39 Wapanese So what about Nyan Cat copyright? 15:39 Wapanese 4Fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nyan_cat_250px_frame.PNG 15:40 Wapanese 4Fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nyan_cat_250px_frame.PNG 15:41 rafalcpp Wapanese: uhm 15:41 rafalcpp Wapanese: you could tor over galaxy42 or other VPN that has TCP transport 15:42 Wapanese Isn't Nyan Cat a trademark™? 15:42 rafalcpp also OpenVPN over TUN should work 15:42 Wapanese Isn't Nyan Cat a trademark™? 15:42 Wapanese Connection problems. 15:43 Wapanese *I have problems with connection. 15:43 sfan5 dunno & nobody cares 15:52 Wapanese sfan5's real name is "kitten". Nya? 15:52 rafalcpp Wapanese san troll deska? 15:53 Wapanese I'm not a troll. 15:53 sfan5 i wouldn't be so sure of that 15:53 Wapanese /WHOIS sfan5 15:55 rafalcpp Wapanese: you could tor over galaxy42 or other VPN that has TCP transport, e.g. OpenVPN connected over TCP over Tor does work, and there you can UDP into minetest .onion 15:56 rafalcpp Jordach: tor all the things 15:57 Jordach my phone is going ree http://i.imgur.com/LvVtyPo.png 15:57 Wapanese 36271? 15:57 Jordach debug commands 15:58 Jordach GL_INVALID_ENUM on ardreno 505 15:58 rafalcpp Jordach: reeeeeeeeeeee 15:58 * rafalcpp does a recount 15:58 Jordach https://www.reddit.com/r/REEEEEE/ 16:01 XtremeHacker Wapanese, you must be joking 16:02 Wapanese XtremeHacker: Why? 16:02 XtremeHacker Blender is used to make art for non-free games & movies, is there anything wrong with that? 16:02 XtremeHacker Same for MT, it is a game, how people choose to use it does not have to be the FOSS way. 16:02 Wapanese We can add force licensing under a free data license. 16:03 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/1uPbSSt.png ^^^^^^^^^^ 16:05 XtremeHacker Doiesn't forcing users to use Free data licenses contradict allowing users to do what they want with the software? 16:05 XtremeHacker *Doesn't 16:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Thomas--S -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Change doors to default.can_interact_with_node() 1373e4666 https://git.io/vy9zb (152017-03-16T16:11:20Z) 16:11 Jordach XtremeHacker, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/288471365571444737/288855993897451541/e9b.png 16:12 XtremeHacker Jordach: I thin, know that Wapanese is a troll, I just like to play with 'em till they get annoyed. :P 16:13 Jordach XtremeHacker, make them REEEEEE 16:13 XtremeHacker Lol 16:13 XtremeHacker Make 'em /QUIT Can't Stand THESE logical human beings 16:14 sofar XtremeHacker: think about this hypothetical future 16:14 sofar XtremeHacker: one day in the future, it becomes illegal to not pay someone for things they have created 16:15 sofar XtremeHacker: now all -NC- licenses have turned into forbidden software 16:15 sofar what you may think of is acceptable now, may not be acceptable in the future 16:15 sofar so a more-free license will be better adept at dealing with the circumstances 16:18 rafalcpp "it becomes illegal to not pay someone for things they have created" 16:18 rafalcpp I'm not sure if even european union is stupid enugh to do that 16:18 XtremeHacker sofar: I understand, but there are times when a "You can't touch this because" license is "needed", and I find it contradictory for us to block people wanting to use such a language 16:18 XtremeHacker *license, not language 16:18 sofar rafalcpp: hypothetical 16:19 rafalcpp sofar: hypotethically EU can ban all anime and nyancat is gone 16:19 sofar let's say we evolve to a society that rewards individual creations and protects them 16:19 rafalcpp at leats for the 2 years untill everyonexit 16:19 sofar and money no longer is a problem 16:19 sofar I'm not talking about the EU 16:20 sofar this is purely a fictional hypothesis 16:20 rafalcpp sofar: there is no such thing as protecting creator, there is only opressing people who copied their work 16:20 sofar THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL HYPOTHETICAL 16:21 * XtremeHacker Goes to get some work done 16:24 Fixer why would EU ban anime? 16:24 Fixer i know russia banned hentai, but thats hentai 16:31 Wapanese Banned hentai? 16:31 Wapanese Ban anime? IDIOTS 16:31 Wapanese *THEY ARE IDIOTS. 16:32 ^7heo spoiler: people are idiots. 16:32 ^7heo you're welcome. 16:33 Fixer well, Ukraine has banned porno since forever, WHY? NO FREAKING IDEA, it is not an Iran or Poland, not religious that much, everybody watch it anyway 16:33 Fixer it is strange laws 16:33 XtremeHacker Spoiler: Most people aren't smart, but there are still smart people, don't worry. :) 16:33 Fixer Wapanese: kids watch anime @ fucked up kids 16:34 ^7heo Fixer: nah but in UAE, if you get raped, you then get prosecuted for adultery. 16:34 ^7heo Fixer: how about that for idiotic? 16:34 Fixer yep 16:34 ^7heo Like even hitler wasn't THAT stupid. 16:34 ^7heo but heh, he's a bad guy ™ now 16:35 ^7heo So we can all shit on him, but not on anyone living and doing worse 16:35 ^7heo those people have the "benefit of the doubt" ® 16:35 ^7heo puny humans. 16:38 Wapanese Internet is not censored in Ukraine. 16:38 Wapanese I can use Tor to download porno. 16:39 Wapanese (or not use Tor) and download it 16:41 rafalcpp ^7heo: ah yes, hitler 16:41 rafalcpp the leader of mythcal country "Nazistan" 16:41 rafalcpp that appeared out of nowhere 16:42 ^7heo yeah 16:42 rafalcpp near German border :3 16:42 ^7heo exactly. 16:42 ^7heo He did lots of shit tho. 16:42 ^7heo And autobahns 16:42 ^7heo and more shit. 16:42 ^7heo (in that order) 16:42 ^7heo and some historians say that autobahns were actually in the works before him, and he just went along with the plan. 16:42 ^7heo Which is very possible knowing politicians. 16:43 ^7heo and dictators 16:43 ^7heo but long story short 16:43 ^7heo I'm baffled how easily people label things "good" and "bad" and how little actual use of their brain they do. 16:44 rafalcpp what is more dangerous, are this extermists 16:44 ^7heo Sure, hitler murdered a lot of people in atrocious ways, there's no question about that. 16:44 rafalcpp they steal boats from Arabic migrants 16:44 rafalcpp materialize onto them out of thin air 16:44 rafalcpp and arrive in millions 16:44 ^7heo but heh, how many more did something kinda similar, without problems? 16:44 ^7heo and continue to do that shit? 16:44 rafalcpp hm I wonder where the previous occupants of the boats went 16:45 ^7heo fear is the real enemy. 16:45 ^7heo Remember that well. 16:45 rafalcpp I assume they are teleported back into they war-torned countries 16:45 rafalcpp like Egpyt or Czech or Slovakia 16:45 ^7heo Teleported, or parachuted with no parachute. 16:46 ^7heo Like Frenchs and Nazis (separatedly) did last century 16:46 ^7heo in Africa. 16:46 rafalcpp and the extermists apparently multiply by cell-divisio 16:46 rafalcpp and the extermists apparently multiply by cell-division 16:46 rafalcpp looking at gender of their arriving population 16:47 ^7heo I dunno 16:47 ^7heo I find that the numbers of extremists in both genders are pretty much equal. 16:47 ^7heo For example, here in Germany, there are about as many NPD or AFD voters in both genders. 16:48 ^7heo in France, same for their "FN". 16:48 ^7heo so... 16:48 ^7heo I think it's not the point. 16:50 rafalcpp ^7heo: oh, I was about that 90% of arriving "syrain" "refugees" are males 16:50 rafalcpp as typical for war refugees, yeah ;) 16:52 ^7heo syrian* 16:52 ^7heo and 16:52 ^7heo nope, not from what I've seen. 16:52 ^7heo and they're not typical war refugees. 16:52 Fixer politics again 16:52 ^7heo yeah 16:52 ^7heo please fix it :P 17:00 red-001 so when did this become #politics? 17:03 ^7heo rafalcpp: 16:03 -!- gnu_guix [~gnu_guix@200-55-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #minetest 17:03 ^7heo that precise moment. 17:03 ^7heo s/rafalcpp/red-001/ 17:04 ^7heo as usual, GNUtards are turning tech stuff into politics. 17:04 ^7heo and for the record, gnu_guix is not Wapanese. 17:04 ^7heo so that's all Wapanese's fault. 17:05 ^7heo even hitler. 17:07 red-001 by GNUtards do you mean linux users that think they are better then everyone else or people that belive that anything thats not open source is evil? 17:07 Wapanese Open source? 17:07 Wapanese *free 17:08 red-001 common misconceptions but no 17:08 ^7heo red-001: somehow, the area of the venn diagram that is in both. 17:08 red-001 s/misconceptions/misconception 17:08 ^7heo and as Wapanese corrected, GNUtards actually see a big difference between "free" and "open source" 17:09 ^7heo there is one, but it's not THAT big. 17:09 ^7heo and since they have much to compensate 17:09 ^7heo they need it BIG. 17:09 red-001 not all open source software is free 17:09 rafalcpp for me BSD is more free then GNU 17:09 red-001 and a large amount of free software is not opensource 17:10 rafalcpp PublicDomain/WTFPL/etc > BSD > (LGPL) > GPL 17:10 ^7heo for me BSD is much more free than GNU. 17:10 ^7heo like, MUCH. 17:10 ^7heo GNU isn't free. 17:10 ^7heo GNU is "RMS owns you." 17:10 ^7heo "and all you ever had, were, and possessed." 17:11 ^7heo see the libreboot example for further information. 17:11 rafalcpp well GNU is "it is free, except you are forced to publish it and you are required to repeat same conditions" 17:11 ^7heo yeah exactly. 17:11 ^7heo and you're jailed once you're in it. 17:11 ^7heo people complain about apple jailing users... but GNU is a thouthand times worse. 17:11 red-001 meh 17:11 ^7heo actually, more orders of magnitude than I could possibly describe. 17:11 rafalcpp I'm glad software I develop will be BSD (or BSD + making sure patent is in public domain) 17:12 rafalcpp what is MC licence anyway 17:12 red-001 vendor locking is worse 17:12 ^7heo rafalcpp: thanks for doing that. 17:12 ^7heo red-001: no it is not. 17:12 red-001 it's lgpl 17:12 rafalcpp red-001: depends who you ask 17:12 rafalcpp ^7heo: :) 17:12 red-001 gpl is only an issue for companies 17:12 ^7heo red-001: because vendor locking is about profit, and everybody openly hates it. 17:13 rafalcpp red-001: everyone can be a company; also it is for everyone doing things in work (for money) 17:13 ^7heo red-001: GNU lock-in is about tricking you into giving up your rights, so they can protect it better than you would. 17:13 ^7heo red-001: a bit like a bank does with your money. 17:13 ^7heo and THAT is the real issue. 17:13 rafalcpp ahhh goim 17:13 red-001 I mean you are welcome to waste your money on apple products 17:13 rafalcpp is that gold you are carrying around? 17:13 rafalcpp gold so heavy 17:13 rafalcpp why not deposit it in my safe bank? 17:13 * rafalcpp rubs hands 17:14 ^7heo red-001: it's not a waste as long as it runs a commercially supported BSD system 17:15 rafalcpp red-001: I do not use apple now, but I would like to give freedom to others to make the next apple using my tools too (and hopefully find a way to still profit on it all) 17:15 ^7heo same here. 17:15 red-001 if I learned one thing from the internet is that most people with a strong option are wrong in some way 17:15 ^7heo I actually am not using anything apple. 17:15 rafalcpp red-001: is that a strong opinion? ;) 17:15 ^7heo but I prefer apple to GNU a (many orders of magnitude more than I can express) times. 17:15 ^7heo rafalcpp: :D 17:15 red-001 not really 17:16 red-001 it's not a strong option 17:16 ^7heo red-001: I learned something from life is that people with no opinion are wise stupids. 17:16 red-001 just a rule of thumb 17:16 ^7heo red-001: and while that's much better than arrogant stupids, it's not as good as clever people. 17:16 ^7heo rafalcpp: also, C++ sucks. 17:16 ^7heo rafalcpp: sorry. 17:17 ^7heo (since we're trolling, I thought I would complete it :D) 17:17 rafalcpp ^7heo: well I like C++ :) but it sure takes proper subset of it do use it fruitfully 17:17 red-001 like c? 17:17 rafalcpp red-001: C doesn't offer needed tools for it 17:17 ^7heo rafalcpp: like C? 17:17 ^7heo damn, too slow. 17:17 ^7heo rafalcpp: C actually offers the tools 17:17 rafalcpp no, with C you are missing many things that you can not add 17:17 ^7heo rafalcpp: they're just a bit raw. 17:18 ^7heo you CAN add them. 17:18 rafalcpp no, you can not at all add templates in the langauge 17:18 red-001 eh c is for weaklings 17:18 ^7heo don't forget that C++ is C with a lot of bs. 17:18 red-001 asm all the way 17:18 ^7heo C is portable ASM, in case you didn't realize it 17:18 red-001 if you can't code in asm you can't code 17:18 ^7heo have fun rewriting your code for every target. 17:18 red-001 why do you need to port stuff? 17:18 ^7heo I'll just recompile. 17:18 ^7heo red-001: because you can't trust vendors. 17:18 red-001 just use one arch 17:18 ^7heo red-001: mr no vendor lock-in 17:19 red-001 whats bad about that? 17:19 rafalcpp > complains re vector lock-in 17:19 rafalcpp > CODES I ASM 17:19 ^7heo YEAH 17:19 rafalcpp > CODES IN ASM 17:19 ^7heo RIGHT? 17:19 ^7heo and if you don't get how that is wrong 17:19 ^7heo I have nothing to add. 17:19 red-001 it protects you from doing stuipd things 17:19 ^7heo rafalcpp: you wanted to say: complains about vendor lockin - codes only in ASM 17:19 red-001 like updating your hardware 17:19 ^7heo rafalcpp: but we got your idea. 17:19 red-001 or changing your os 17:20 ^7heo or escaping a sudden lockin from a vendor? 17:20 ^7heo du opfer... 17:20 ^7heo let's salute the new pole with some Wodka. 17:20 rafalcpp chikeeebreeky 17:20 ^7heo chikeeebreeky chikeeebreeky 17:21 * rafalcpp goes to finish coding tho :} 17:21 ^7heo yeah same 17:21 ^7heo I have some deployment/testing to do 17:21 ^7heo laters. 17:23 red-001 really I hope that minux3 becomes a commerical used os one day 17:28 ^7heo minux? 17:28 ^7heo wtf is that? 17:28 ^7heo a mix of minix and linux? 17:29 red-001 s/minux/minix 17:29 ^7heo unless you're using ed(1), this expression is not valid. 17:31 red-001 init 0 17:32 ^7heo red-001: not everyone uses ubuntu. 17:33 red-001 and yet you know what I mean 17:34 ^7heo not really. I just know that init should take arguments, but on ubuntu it probably does. 17:34 ^7heo like any bs they do. 17:36 red-001 rm rf / -no-preserve root 17:37 red-001 or I guess what every your system uses 17:41 juli can someone say me how the v3s16 type in minetest is defined? 17:42 juli i find it everywhere in code but i can't find the deklaration 17:42 ^7heo red-001: it's --no-preserve-root you stupid. 17:42 ^7heo red-001: learn to GNU properly, at least. 17:43 ^7heo red-001: long options are their thing. 17:43 ^7heo juli: was? 17:43 red-001 I think v3s16 us defined by irrlicht 17:43 juli und wie? 17:43 ^7heo genau. 17:43 juli ich weiß nicht wi es deklariert ist 17:44 juli *wie 17:44 juli und wie man es verwendet 17:44 red-001 why would I learn to use GNU? 17:44 juli hi TELE lol 17:44 red-001 I though vendor locking was a good thing? 17:45 ^7heo juli: Ich weiß auch nicht. 17:45 ^7heo juli: aber es ist vermutlich in Irrlicht. 17:46 ^7heo juli: hast Du am google suchen? 17:46 ^7heo (google oder duckduckgo oder etwas) 17:46 juli ja ich glaub ich habs 17:46 ^7heo ok 17:46 ^7heo moment dann 17:46 juli http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/classirr_1_1core_1_1vector3d.html 17:46 ^7heo ah schön 17:46 juli das müsste es so ungefähr sein 17:48 ^7heo Hmm "typedef v3s16" yields no results in ddg... 17:49 red-001 I understand linux people but I don't know why would anyone use BSD 17:49 juli yes its ok i will search 17:49 juli @red because its nice 17:49 red-001 its only use seems to be for companies to base their custom uses 17:49 sofar red-001: there will always be people "holding out" 17:49 sofar red-001: same mentality has bomb shelters in their houses 17:49 ^7heo juli: actually, it's "because it works" 17:50 juli the package system is nice 17:50 ^7heo and it's minimalist. 17:50 ^7heo much less code to review. 17:50 juli but yes i use linux too :) 17:50 red-001 I find it hard to belive a system barely anyone uses "just works" 17:50 juli gentoo :) 17:51 ^7heo red-001: I don't find it hard to believe. People are stupid. 17:51 ^7heo red-001: you included, since you believe they're not. 17:51 ^7heo one of the most important problems with IT is "the mass of lusers following itself" 17:51 ^7heo like people being "ah, the most popular linux distro is ubuntu, I guess I'll use that then" 17:52 ^7heo therefore making ubuntu the most popular linux distro. 17:52 ^7heo yay people, yay zombies. 17:52 ^7heo red-001: https://peoplewhatabunchofbastards.com/ 17:54 ^7heo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPOEHMrL5U 17:58 sofar "gentoo, when you want BSD but must Linux" 17:58 sofar "ubuntu, when nobody told you about the 350 other viable Linux distros out there" 17:59 sofar "archlinux, when you're fedup with all the other distros" 17:59 sofar "redhat, when you get paid money to use linux" 18:00 ^7heo "archlinux, when you're still a noob, but dream of being a h4xx0r" 18:01 ^7heo "redhat, when you have to deal with dummies" 18:01 ^7heo more like that. 18:01 red-001 "bsd", when you want to use obscure software 18:02 red-001 "windows" when you don't really care about all this and what is this linux thing? 18:02 ^7heo red-001: "Obscure" doesn't really mean shit. 18:02 ^7heo red-001: it's a bit like people who consider docker to be "better", because it's "more recent" 18:03 ^7heo those people should be fed software. 18:03 ^7heo Maybe then they'll realize the difference between food and software. 18:04 red-001 great then use an ARM cpu in your next system 18:04 red-001 in a lot of ways it's better designed 18:05 ^7heo why the fuck would you assume I'm not? 18:05 ^7heo =/ 18:06 red-001 -^7heo- VERSION irssi v0.8.19 - running on Linux x86_64 18:06 ^7heo have you ever heard of: 18:06 ^7heo 1. VPSes 18:06 ^7heo 2. IRC clients faking versions 18:07 ^7heo there's actually real use for both. 18:07 red-001 I though a vpn would be too mainstream for you 18:07 ^7heo juli: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ? 18:07 ^7heo red-001: you don't know the difference between a VPS and a VPN. You're just a waste of my time. 18:08 ^7heo I should have done the same as rafalcpp and ignored you. 18:08 Calinou I don't get the Ubuntu hate, really 18:08 red-001 I see you havn't heard of typos etc 18:08 Calinou my VPS was on Ubuntu Server 14.04, now on 16.04, and it's going fine so far 18:08 red-001 I don't really have time for people like you 18:08 Calinou my desktop/laptop are on Manjaro (more up-to-date software with less hassle) 18:09 Calinou if someone made a LTS Arch, I'd be all for it 18:09 Calinou so that it'd be usable on servers :) 18:09 ^7heo aha LTS arch 18:09 ^7heo that's fun because they don't even have short term support at all. 18:09 ^7heo let alone support. 18:10 ^7heo arch is more like "we break it, you get to fix it." 18:10 red-001 I really don't see why people need to be smug about their software choice 18:10 ^7heo juli: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ? 18:10 Calinou also, Ubuntu is a relatively solid desktop distro too (especially the variants, if you dislike Unity), and it has tons of users, so getting support is easy 18:11 Calinou (LTS at least; non-LTS is ok, but I wish they dropped it for rolling releases instead) 18:11 red-001 in your defense through you might just be a troll 18:11 ^7heo Calinou: what I like with ubuntu, is that it's easy to upgrade. 18:11 Calinou rolling-release is easier to QA in the long term 18:11 ^7heo Calinou: rm -rf --no-preserve-root / 18:11 ^7heo Calinou: and then reinstlal. 18:11 ^7heo reinstall* 18:11 Calinou Fedora will likely go that route (they're not releasing alphas anymore) 18:11 Calinou instead, they'll point bleeding edge users to Rawhide 18:11 ^7heo that's easier than anything else 18:11 ^7heo it's like windows. 18:11 ^7heo just unmount your home drive 18:11 Calinou (I was a Fedora user for over a year, it's pretty solid, but my laptop's Wi-Fi did not work with Fedora 25) 18:11 ^7heo delete the system 18:12 ^7heo reinstall the new one 18:12 * twoelk just finished updating a laptop to xubuntu 16.04 18:12 Calinou ^7heo: it's nice to not be so blunt, by the way 18:12 ^7heo remount your home 18:12 ^7heo done 18:12 Calinou twoelk: usually upgrades work fine for me, even from non-LTS to non-LTS 18:12 ^7heo Calinou: I agree. 18:12 Calinou I've done 3 or 4 upgrades at least 18:12 ^7heo Calinou: It's nice. 18:12 ^7heo Calinou: It's also nice to live in a world where people aren't stupid. 18:12 ^7heo Calinou: unfortunately... 18:12 twoelk was a multiboot system with w10, seems ok sofar 18:12 Hijiri minetest should have a rolling release 18:12 Calinou twoelk: nice highlight :P 18:13 Hijiri maybe that is sfan's builds 18:13 Calinou Hijiri: for smaller-scale projects, it doesn't work that well 18:13 Calinou for operating systems, for many use cases, it's a perfect fit though 18:13 twoelk oops :D 18:13 Calinou even I stopped maintaining More Blocks in a rolling-release manner 18:13 Calinou (though you can still get the latest Git commits if you want) 18:14 red-001 http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24 18:14 Hijiri I just want to have modding features become widespread more quickly :P 18:15 Calinou Hijiri: unfortunately, the culprits here are: 18:15 Calinou - LTS distros shipping old games and being happy with it 18:15 Calinou - the lack of update notifications in Minetest (at least for distributions of ours) 18:15 Calinou (distros won't allow update checks, but we can supply some in Windows builds, macOS and Linux AppImages) 18:16 Hijiri I can see why they wouldn't allow update checks 18:16 est31 update checks dont make sense in linux distros 18:16 Calinou Hijiri: yeah, since you're not able to download the updates anyway 18:16 Hijiri When I played MC I found it annoying when I was using a modpack and every mod printed an update notificatin 18:16 est31 thats the point 18:16 Calinou Hijiri: IMO they're acceptable if you can turn them off 18:16 Calinou (like in most sane software) 18:16 est31 if you get stuff via apt-get then update checks are not useful 18:16 est31 minetest should get app images and flatpaks 18:16 Calinou yes, definitely 18:17 Calinou I would be happy to help maintain official AppImages 18:17 ^7heo juli: hast Du mein link gesehen? 18:18 juli oh sorry ne war afk 18:18 ^7heo ok 18:18 ^7heo juli: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ? 18:18 ^7heo das 18:19 juli welchen stream nimmt man um etwas in der Konsole auszugeben? infostream? 18:19 twoelk hm, mt 0.4.13 on the xubuntu lappy, now how does this appimage thing work? 18:19 Calinou twoelk: feel free to try out my AppImages (unofficial), they work on any distro as recent as Ubuntu 14.04 or newer 18:20 Calinou twoelk: https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/ 18:20 twoelk btw #minetest-de gibt es auch noch 18:20 Calinou (it's some post-0.4.15 Git build) 18:20 Calinou download it, make it executable (chmod +x), run! 18:20 Calinou you may see warnings about unknown path, but you can safely ignore it 18:20 ^7heo juli: wie bitte? 18:20 Calinou twoelk: I will eventually remake the webpage too, just like for Godot 18:21 juli lol ich möchte in minetest versuchen den chat in der konsole auszugeben :) 18:21 ^7heo (Entschuldigung aber Deutsch ist nicht meinen muttersprache) 18:21 Calinou twoelk: I have this for Godot now: https://lut.im/tvJBJOF8Pp/7w4P72NH7F5ZlPQV.png :) 18:21 ^7heo aaah 18:21 ^7heo weiß nicht 18:21 juli hmm ok 18:21 juli i try infostream 18:21 ^7heo dann sagt mich :D 18:22 juli ?? 18:23 juli infostream doesn't work 18:23 juli errorstream makes to red messages 18:23 juli ok i have to go to eat dinner 18:25 ^7heo mahlzeit. :) 18:30 red-001 neat someone wrote an os in c@ 18:31 QwertyDragon i looked here http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog but 18:32 red-001 looks like more then one person did 18:32 red-001 there are two c# oses 18:33 red-001 QwertyDragon, whats your issue? 18:33 red-001 lack of changelog? 18:34 red-001 I think someone posted one on the fourm 18:35 QwertyDragon and here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=243949#p243949 but 18:35 QwertyDragon can not see about sand 18:35 red-001 you mean the new cold desert biome? 18:36 QwertyDragon i can not use hoe on either default:sand or default:desert_sand 18:36 red-001 huh 18:36 QwertyDragon was that changed? 18:36 red-001 latest mt-game/mt? 18:36 QwertyDragon yes 4.15 18:37 red-001 I mean latest dev 18:37 red-001 e.g. daily build 18:37 QwertyDragon on stable 18:38 QwertyDragon on stable can anyone else use hoe on sand and desert sand? i can't for some reason 18:38 red-001 you might want to search through mt-game bug reports/pr's 18:38 QwertyDragon ok 18:38 twoelk seems that laptop I updated is 32bit, I sort of never noticed :-) 18:38 red-001 I don't use stable so I can't test 18:38 twoelk Calinou: any 32bit AppImages? 18:39 red-001 you could also ask a mt-game dev about it 18:39 Calinou twoelk: nope, sorry 18:39 Calinou that complicates the build system significantly 18:39 twoelk does the old oneline script still work? 18:39 red-001 looks like I have mt-0.4.15 installed 18:40 red-001 testing 18:40 twoelk hoe on sand is a recent add to dev, not in stable iirc 18:50 Calinou twoelk: maybe 18:50 Calinou it's not guaranteed to work on all Ubuntu-based distros 18:50 Calinou it breaks in 16.10 due to the libpng packaging changes, for example 18:59 twoelk seems I was able to update to mt 0.4.15-dev-b52f300 18:59 twoelk on xubuntu 19:00 twoelk using your update script 21:08 Milan[m]1 uhm... how do i calculate node coordinates to chunk coordinates? shouldn't it be x16? 21:25 sfan5 Milan[m]1: / 16 21:26 Milan[m]1 oh right - / ...but it doesn't match with the underworlds settings hmmm 21:26 Milan[m]1 but thanks so i wasn't wrong 21:37 Milan[m]1 i mean... i say `low_chunk = -42` and the cave spawns at -57 :S 21:44 agaran -42 -16 ends at -58 ? 21:48 Milan[m]1 i .... maybe i don't understand the calculation proberly but - i expect -42 + 16nodes but not +16chunks? 21:51 Milan[m]1 i mean - the mess i created in the underworlds settings (the positioning) looks fine for me so far but i really would like to understand that correctly 21:51 agaran Milan[m]1: well you mean node coords or mapblock coords? 21:54 Milan[m]1 agaran, i mean that `high_chunk = -12,` `low_chunk = -42,` makes the cave begins at -912nodes which would be -57 in chunks... 21:55 agaran true 22:09 Milan[m]1 omg i should alter this again, now the lowest point of the cave appears to be -1717nodes 23:50 kaeza greetings