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00:06 GreenDimond :D
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00:46 Nyarg sometimes I have message in console like "trying to store ... but block (-3,0,1) already contains 500 objects". Why is only one contain huge count but another only one object per block ?
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00:53 VanessaE because one of the numbers given (...) is just an index, like a count of how many entities have ever been processed, while the other (500) is how many actually made it into the mapblock
01:16 Wuzzy hi
01:16 Wuzzy how can i find out whether the player access the player inventory, or the inventory/formspec of a node (by rightclicking it)?
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01:25 Nyarg oops I have huge flat builded with ONE SIDED entity but it seems like irrlicht try draw invisible part of side too as FPS says
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03:02 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Get biome list: Downgrade missing biome message to infostream 4627641 https://git.io/vySnw (2017-03-16T02:56:03Z)
03:02 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix various problems with sneaking 14aa990 https://git.io/vySnr (2017-03-16T02:52:59Z)
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04:59 MuffinKat HELOOOO MORTALS
05:02 kaeza hello my friend! stay a while and listen
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06:54 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add ModStorageAPI to client side modding (#5396) eb88e5d https://git.io/vySuG (2017-03-16T06:53:39Z)
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09:10 riff-IRC Hi
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09:15 yusf[m] Is there an actively maintained ambience mod around?
09:16 riff-IRC IDK
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09:37 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Add minimap API modifiers (#5399) 40ce538 https://git.io/vySiF (2017-03-16T09:34:54Z)
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10:09 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix indentation problem since merge resolution b52f300 https://git.io/vySDs (2017-03-16T10:09:06Z)
10:12 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Freedom of Information Day! ūüėÉ
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10:16 Milan[m]1 'morning
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10:50 Milan[m]1 wasn't there a caverealms fork without falling lava? don't see it in the forklist on github
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13:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Mar-14 04:15 UTC <XtremeHacker> I submitted a PR to fix a typo in the Itemstacks chapter in your modding book.
13:27 rubenwardy !tell XtremeHacker thanks!
13:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when XtremeHacker is around
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14:18 TalkLounge Is celeron55 there?
14:20 An0n3m0us I believe he isn't
14:20 TalkLounge Hmm
14:21 TalkLounge Ok then bye
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14:31 MinetestBot XtremeHacker: Mar-16 13:27 UTC <rubenwardy> thanks!
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15:03 gnu_guix Hello.
15:04 gnu_guix Why partially/non-free mods are allowed on Minetest server (official server list).
15:04 gnu_guix *?
15:04 sfan5 why would we not allow them?
15:04 behalebabo perhaps so as not to restrict freedom of what mods to use?
15:04 sfan5 also can you name some examples
15:05 gnu_guix But it's an official server list.
15:05 sfan5 so?
15:05 gnu_guix And Minetest should be free replacement for Minecraft.
15:05 sfan5 it is
15:06 gnu_guix For example, CC-BY-NC-SA skin is non-free.
15:06 sfan5 (apart from the fact that we don't plan to be a drop-in replacement for mc)
15:06 gnu_guix 4[Not Minetest-related] CC-BY-NC manga is non-free.
15:06 sfan5 gnu_guix: minetest & minetest_game are redistributable under FOSS licenses
15:06 sfan5 what people run on their servers is not directly related to this
15:07 gnu_guix Where can I find the server list source code?
15:08 gnu_guix *source code for server list
15:08 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/master-server
15:11 rafalcpp gnu_guix: lulz
15:12 rafalcpp the gnu"nazis" arrived
15:12 rafalcpp gnu_guix: you can open with open browser an image or web page that is copyrighted, right? it's like this
15:12 gnu_guix CC*ND* is non-free
15:13 gnu_guix rafalcpp: We can use whitelist for this.
15:13 rafalcpp gnu_guix: to achieve what?
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15:13 gnu_guix rafalcpp: Freedom.
15:14 rafalcpp I like my freedom to join servers that send me data with agreement that I will not re-share freely that data
15:14 gnu_guix rafalcpp: NDA?
15:14 rafalcpp well or just copyrighted data
15:16 rafalcpp I guess someone could make a patch to mark servers that send you only free mods
15:17 rafalcpp gnu_guix: or just run some totally free (bsd licenced / wtfpl / public-domain) mods server, give it a nice name that freflects that, and add that to default server list
15:17 sfan5 ^ you have the freedom to write such a patch :)
15:17 gnu_guix Why not delete some Freenode channels:
15:18 gnu_guix #anime because of non-free "Anime/Manga of the Week".
15:18 gnu_guix ##windows
15:18 gnu_guix #wow
15:18 gnu_guix etc.
15:18 sfan5 can you move your stallman shilling for #freenode
15:18 sfan5 s/for/to/
15:18 rafalcpp gnu_guix: uhm, what that has to do with minetest?
15:19 gnu_guix rafalcpp: About Minetest:
15:20 gnu_guix Please check the forum and remove partially/non-free User-contributed mods, maps, texture packs, etc.
15:20 rafalcpp gnu_guix: please eat a dick
15:20 rafalcpp :)
15:20 rafalcpp gnu_guix: in case if you're not trolling but actually wanting to promote GNU, then make a server with such licences, and have it added to default server list
15:20 rafalcpp Wapanese:
15:21 * rafalcpp prefers BSD tho, but who cares that much in this case :)
15:21 * rafalcpp rates 6/10
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15:23 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/PRyJ53n.jpg
15:23 Wapanese Anon-kun? /WHOIS Wapanese
15:24 Wapanese Ok. Which license?
15:26 Wapanese Can I use TCP to play Minetest? I want to use Tor to host my server.
15:26 sfan5 no
15:27 Wapanese Why?
15:27 sfan5 that's just how it is
15:27 Wapanese Can I use SSL/TLS with Minetest?
15:28 sfan5 no
15:30 Wapanese Why not encrypt Minetest traffic?
15:30 sfan5 it's a game not a banking application
15:31 Wapanese Man-in-the-Middle griefing?
15:31 sfan5 unlikely
15:32 Wapanese Why use UDP?
15:33 Wapanese I cannot use UDP with Tor.
15:33 sfan5 udp has benefits for gaming
15:33 sfan5 ask google
15:34 Wapanese About Nyan Cat in the game?
15:34 Wapanese *.
15:34 Wapanese Copyright?
15:35 Jordach >encryption doesn't solve anything
15:35 Wapanese Jordach: Why?
15:35 Jordach Wapanese, think about it
15:35 Jordach strange transmissions makes spies look for you more than standard "noise"
15:36 Jordach it's the same reason why i don't autistically sperg in public
15:37 Jordach they look for oddities in patterns for each user
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15:39 Wapanese So what about Nyan Cat copyright?
15:39 Wapanese 4Fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/‚ÄčFile:Nyan_cat_250px_frame.PNG
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15:40 Wapanese 4Fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/‚ÄčFile:Nyan_cat_250px_frame.PNG
15:41 rafalcpp Wapanese: uhm
15:41 rafalcpp Wapanese: you could tor over galaxy42 or other VPN that has TCP transport
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15:42 Wapanese Isn't Nyan Cat a trademark‚ĄĘ?
15:42 rafalcpp also OpenVPN over TUN should work
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15:42 Wapanese Isn't Nyan Cat a trademark‚ĄĘ?
15:42 Wapanese Connection problems.
15:43 Wapanese *I have problems with connection.
15:43 sfan5 dunno & nobody cares
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15:52 Wapanese sfan5's real name is "kitten". Nya?
15:52 rafalcpp Wapanese san troll deska?
15:53 Wapanese I'm not a troll.
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15:53 sfan5 i wouldn't be so sure of that
15:53 Wapanese /WHOIS sfan5
15:55 rafalcpp Wapanese: you could tor over galaxy42 or other VPN that has TCP transport, e.g. OpenVPN connected over TCP over Tor does work, and there you can UDP into minetest .onion
15:56 rafalcpp Jordach: tor all the things
15:57 Jordach my phone is going ree http://i.imgur.com/LvVtyPo.png
15:57 Wapanese 36271?
15:57 Jordach debug commands
15:58 Jordach GL_INVALID_ENUM on ardreno 505
15:58 rafalcpp Jordach: reeeeeeeeeeee
15:58 * rafalcpp does a recount
15:58 Jordach https://www.reddit.com/r/REEEEEE/
16:01 XtremeHacker Wapanese, you must be joking
16:02 Wapanese XtremeHacker: Why?
16:02 XtremeHacker Blender is used to make art for non-free games & movies, is there anything wrong with that?
16:02 XtremeHacker Same for MT, it is a game, how people choose to use it does not have to be the FOSS way.
16:02 Wapanese We can add force licensing under a free data license.
16:03 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/1uPbSSt.png ^^^^^^^^^^
16:05 XtremeHacker Doiesn't forcing users to use Free data licenses contradict allowing users to do what they want with the software?
16:05 XtremeHacker *Doesn't
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16:11 MinetestBot [git] Thomas--S -> minetest/minetest_game: Change doors to default.can_interact_with_node() 73e4666 https://git.io/vy9zb (2017-03-16T16:11:20Z)
16:11 Jordach XtremeHacker, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/288‚Äč471365571444737/288855993897451541/e9b.png
16:12 XtremeHacker Jordach: I thin, know that Wapanese is a troll, I just like to play with 'em till they get annoyed. :P
16:13 Jordach XtremeHacker, make them REEEEEE
16:13 XtremeHacker Lol
16:13 XtremeHacker Make 'em /QUIT Can't Stand THESE logical human beings
16:14 sofar XtremeHacker: think about this hypothetical future
16:14 sofar XtremeHacker: one day in the future, it becomes illegal to not pay someone for things they have created
16:15 sofar XtremeHacker: now all -NC- licenses have turned into forbidden software
16:15 sofar what you may think of is acceptable now, may not be acceptable in the future
16:15 sofar so a more-free license will be better adept at dealing with the circumstances
16:18 rafalcpp "it becomes illegal to not pay someone for things they have created"
16:18 rafalcpp I'm not sure if even european union is stupid enugh to do that
16:18 XtremeHacker sofar: I understand, but there are times when a "You can't touch this because" license is "needed", and I find it contradictory for us to block people wanting to use such a language
16:18 XtremeHacker *license, not language
16:18 sofar rafalcpp: hypothetical
16:19 rafalcpp sofar: hypotethically EU can ban all anime and nyancat is gone
16:19 sofar let's say we evolve to a society that rewards individual creations and protects them
16:19 rafalcpp at leats for the 2 years untill everyonexit
16:19 sofar and money no longer is a problem
16:19 sofar I'm not talking about the EU
16:20 sofar this is purely a fictional hypothesis
16:20 rafalcpp sofar: there is no such thing as protecting creator, there is only opressing people who copied their work
16:20 sofar THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL HYPOTHETICAL
16:21 * XtremeHacker Goes to get some work done
16:24 Fixer why would EU ban anime?
16:24 Fixer i know russia banned hentai, but thats hentai
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16:31 Wapanese Banned hentai?
16:31 Wapanese Ban anime? IDIOTS
16:31 Wapanese *THEY ARE IDIOTS.
16:32 ^7heo spoiler: people are idiots.
16:32 ^7heo you're welcome.
16:33 Fixer well, Ukraine has banned porno since forever, WHY? NO FREAKING IDEA, it is not an Iran or Poland, not religious that much, everybody watch it anyway
16:33 Fixer it is strange laws
16:33 XtremeHacker Spoiler: Most people aren't smart, but there are still smart people, don't worry. :)
16:33 Fixer Wapanese: kids watch anime @ fucked up kids
16:34 ^7heo Fixer: nah but in UAE, if you get raped, you then get prosecuted for adultery.
16:34 ^7heo Fixer: how about that for idiotic?
16:34 Fixer yep
16:34 ^7heo Like even hitler wasn't THAT stupid.
16:34 ^7heo but heh, he's a bad guy ‚ĄĘ now
16:35 ^7heo So we can all shit on him, but not on anyone living and doing worse
16:35 ^7heo those people have the "benefit of the doubt" ¬ģ
16:35 ^7heo puny humans.
16:38 Wapanese Internet is not censored in Ukraine.
16:38 Wapanese I can use Tor to download porno.
16:39 Wapanese (or not use Tor) and download it
16:41 rafalcpp ^7heo: ah yes, hitler
16:41 rafalcpp the leader of mythcal country "Nazistan"
16:41 rafalcpp that appeared out of nowhere
16:42 ^7heo yeah
16:42 rafalcpp near German border :3
16:42 ^7heo exactly.
16:42 ^7heo He did lots of shit tho.
16:42 ^7heo And autobahns
16:42 ^7heo and more shit.
16:42 ^7heo (in that order)
16:42 ^7heo and some historians say that autobahns were actually in the works before him, and he just went along with the plan.
16:42 ^7heo Which is very possible knowing politicians.
16:43 ^7heo and dictators
16:43 ^7heo but long story short
16:43 ^7heo I'm baffled how easily people label things "good" and "bad" and how little actual use of their brain they do.
16:44 rafalcpp what is more dangerous, are this extermists
16:44 ^7heo Sure, hitler murdered a lot of people in atrocious ways, there's no question about that.
16:44 rafalcpp they steal boats from Arabic migrants
16:44 rafalcpp materialize onto them out of thin air
16:44 rafalcpp and arrive in millions
16:44 ^7heo but heh, how many more did something kinda similar, without problems?
16:44 ^7heo and continue to do that shit?
16:44 rafalcpp hm I wonder where the previous occupants of the boats went
16:45 ^7heo fear is the real enemy.
16:45 ^7heo Remember that well.
16:45 rafalcpp I assume they are teleported back into they war-torned countries
16:45 rafalcpp like Egpyt or Czech or Slovakia
16:45 ^7heo Teleported, or parachuted with no parachute.
16:46 ^7heo Like Frenchs and Nazis (separatedly) did last century
16:46 ^7heo in Africa.
16:46 rafalcpp and the extermists apparently multiply by cell-divisio
16:46 rafalcpp and the extermists apparently multiply by cell-division
16:46 rafalcpp looking at gender of their arriving population
16:47 ^7heo I dunno
16:47 ^7heo I find that the numbers of extremists in both genders are pretty much equal.
16:47 ^7heo For example, here in Germany, there are about as many NPD or AFD voters in both genders.
16:48 ^7heo in France, same for their "FN".
16:48 ^7heo so...
16:48 ^7heo I think it's not the point.
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16:50 rafalcpp ^7heo: oh, I was about that 90% of arriving "syrain" "refugees" are males
16:50 rafalcpp as typical for war refugees, yeah ;)
16:52 ^7heo syrian*
16:52 ^7heo and
16:52 ^7heo nope, not from what I've seen.
16:52 ^7heo and they're not typical war refugees.
16:52 Fixer politics again
16:52 ^7heo yeah
16:52 ^7heo please fix it :P
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17:00 red-001 so when did this become #politics?
17:03 ^7heo rafalcpp: 16:03 -!- gnu_guix [~gnu_guix@200-55-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #minetest
17:03 ^7heo that precise moment.
17:03 ^7heo s/rafalcpp/red-001/
17:04 ^7heo as usual, GNUtards are turning tech stuff into politics.
17:04 ^7heo and for the record, gnu_guix is not Wapanese.
17:04 ^7heo so that's all Wapanese's fault.
17:05 ^7heo even hitler.
17:07 red-001 by GNUtards do you mean linux users that think they are better then everyone else or people that belive that anything thats not open source is evil?
17:07 Wapanese Open source?
17:07 Wapanese *free
17:08 red-001 common misconceptions but no
17:08 ^7heo red-001: somehow, the area of the venn diagram that is in both.
17:08 red-001 s/misconceptions/misconception
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17:08 ^7heo and as Wapanese corrected, GNUtards actually see a big difference between "free" and "open source"
17:09 ^7heo there is one, but it's not THAT big.
17:09 ^7heo and since they have much to compensate
17:09 ^7heo they need it BIG.
17:09 red-001 not all open source software is free
17:09 rafalcpp for me BSD is more free then GNU
17:09 red-001 and a large amount of free software is not opensource
17:10 rafalcpp PublicDomain/WTFPL/etc  >  BSD  >  (LGPL)  >  GPL
17:10 ^7heo for me BSD is much more free than GNU.
17:10 ^7heo like, MUCH.
17:10 ^7heo GNU isn't free.
17:10 ^7heo GNU is "RMS owns you."
17:10 ^7heo "and all you ever had, were, and possessed."
17:11 ^7heo see the libreboot example for further information.
17:11 rafalcpp well GNU is "it is free, except you are forced to publish it and you are required to repeat same conditions"
17:11 ^7heo yeah exactly.
17:11 ^7heo and you're jailed once you're in it.
17:11 ^7heo people complain about apple jailing users... but GNU is a thouthand times worse.
17:11 red-001 meh
17:11 ^7heo actually, more orders of magnitude than I could possibly describe.
17:11 rafalcpp I'm glad software I develop will be BSD (or BSD + making sure patent is in public domain)
17:12 rafalcpp what is MC licence anyway
17:12 red-001 vendor locking is worse
17:12 ^7heo rafalcpp: thanks for doing that.
17:12 ^7heo red-001: no it is not.
17:12 red-001 it's lgpl
17:12 rafalcpp red-001: depends who you ask
17:12 rafalcpp ^7heo:  :)
17:12 red-001 gpl is only an issue for companies
17:12 ^7heo red-001: because vendor locking is about profit, and everybody openly hates it.
17:13 rafalcpp red-001: everyone can be a company; also it is for everyone doing things in work (for money)
17:13 ^7heo red-001: GNU lock-in is about tricking you into giving up your rights, so they can protect it better than you would.
17:13 ^7heo red-001: a bit like a bank does with your money.
17:13 ^7heo and THAT is the real issue.
17:13 rafalcpp ahhh goim
17:13 red-001 I mean you are welcome to waste your money on apple products
17:13 rafalcpp is that gold you are carrying around?
17:13 rafalcpp gold so heavy
17:13 rafalcpp why not deposit it in my safe bank?
17:13 * rafalcpp rubs hands
17:14 ^7heo red-001: it's not a waste as long as it runs a commercially supported BSD system
17:15 rafalcpp red-001: I do not use apple now, but I would like to give freedom to others to make the next apple using my tools too (and hopefully find a way to still profit on it all)
17:15 ^7heo same here.
17:15 red-001 if I learned one thing from the internet is that most people with a strong option are wrong in some way
17:15 ^7heo I actually am not using anything apple.
17:15 rafalcpp red-001: is that a strong opinion? ;)
17:15 ^7heo but I prefer apple to GNU a (many orders of magnitude more than I can express) times.
17:15 ^7heo rafalcpp: :D
17:15 red-001 not really
17:16 red-001 it's not a strong option
17:16 ^7heo red-001: I learned something from life is that people with no opinion are wise stupids.
17:16 red-001 just a rule of thumb
17:16 ^7heo red-001: and while that's much better than arrogant stupids, it's not as good as clever people.
17:16 ^7heo rafalcpp: also, C++ sucks.
17:16 ^7heo rafalcpp: sorry.
17:17 ^7heo (since we're trolling, I thought I would complete it :D)
17:17 rafalcpp ^7heo: well I like C++ :) but it sure takes proper subset of it do use it fruitfully
17:17 red-001 like c?
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17:17 rafalcpp red-001: C doesn't offer needed tools for it
17:17 ^7heo rafalcpp: like C?
17:17 ^7heo damn, too slow.
17:17 ^7heo rafalcpp: C actually offers the tools
17:17 rafalcpp no, with C you are missing many things that you can not add
17:17 ^7heo rafalcpp: they're just a bit raw.
17:18 ^7heo you CAN add them.
17:18 rafalcpp no, you can not at all add templates in the langauge
17:18 red-001 eh c is for weaklings
17:18 ^7heo don't forget that C++ is C with a lot of bs.
17:18 red-001 asm all the way
17:18 ^7heo C is portable ASM, in case you didn't realize it
17:18 red-001 if you can't code in asm you can't code
17:18 ^7heo have fun rewriting your code for every target.
17:18 red-001 why do you need to port stuff?
17:18 ^7heo I'll just recompile.
17:18 ^7heo red-001: because you can't trust vendors.
17:18 red-001 just use one arch
17:18 ^7heo red-001: mr no vendor lock-in
17:19 red-001 whats bad about that?
17:19 rafalcpp > complains re vector lock-in
17:19 rafalcpp > CODES I ASM
17:19 ^7heo YEAH
17:19 rafalcpp > CODES IN ASM
17:19 ^7heo RIGHT?
17:19 ^7heo and if you don't get how that is wrong
17:19 ^7heo I have nothing to add.
17:19 red-001 it protects you from doing stuipd things
17:19 ^7heo rafalcpp: you wanted to say: complains about vendor lockin - codes only in ASM
17:19 red-001 like updating your hardware
17:19 ^7heo rafalcpp: but we got your idea.
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17:19 red-001 or changing your os
17:20 ^7heo or escaping a sudden lockin from a vendor?
17:20 ^7heo du opfer...
17:20 ^7heo let's salute the new pole with some Wodka.
17:20 rafalcpp chikeeebreeky
17:20 ^7heo chikeeebreeky chikeeebreeky
17:21 * rafalcpp goes to finish coding tho :}
17:21 ^7heo yeah same
17:21 ^7heo I have some deployment/testing to do
17:21 ^7heo laters.
17:23 red-001 really I hope that minux3 becomes a commerical used os one day
17:28 ^7heo minux?
17:28 ^7heo wtf is that?
17:28 ^7heo a mix of minix and linux?
17:29 red-001 s/minux/minix
17:29 ^7heo unless you're using ed(1), this expression is not valid.
17:31 red-001 init 0
17:32 ^7heo red-001: not everyone uses ubuntu.
17:33 red-001 and yet you know what I mean
17:34 ^7heo not really. I just know that init should take arguments, but on ubuntu it probably does.
17:34 ^7heo like any bs they do.
17:36 red-001 rm rf / -no-preserve root
17:37 red-001 or I guess what every your system uses
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17:41 juli can someone say me how the v3s16 type in minetest is defined?
17:42 juli i find it everywhere in code but i can't find the deklaration
17:42 ^7heo red-001: it's --no-preserve-root you stupid.
17:42 ^7heo red-001: learn to GNU properly, at least.
17:43 ^7heo red-001: long options are their thing.
17:43 ^7heo juli: was?
17:43 red-001 I think v3s16 us defined by irrlicht
17:43 juli und wie?
17:43 ^7heo genau.
17:43 juli ich weiß nicht wi es deklariert ist
17:44 juli *wie
17:44 juli und wie man es verwendet
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17:44 red-001 why would I learn to use GNU?
17:44 juli hi TELE lol
17:44 red-001 I though vendor locking was a good thing?
17:45 ^7heo juli: Ich weiß auch nicht.
17:45 ^7heo juli: aber es ist vermutlich in Irrlicht.
17:46 ^7heo juli: hast Du am google suchen?
17:46 ^7heo (google oder duckduckgo oder etwas)
17:46 juli ja ich glaub ich habs
17:46 ^7heo ok
17:46 ^7heo moment dann
17:46 juli http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/doc‚Äču/classirr_1_1core_1_1vector3d.html
17:46 ^7heo ah schön
17:46 juli das m√ľsste es so ungef√§hr sein
17:48 ^7heo Hmm "typedef v3s16" yields no results in ddg...
17:49 red-001 I understand linux people but I don't know why would anyone use BSD
17:49 juli yes its ok i will search
17:49 juli @red because its nice
17:49 red-001 its only use seems to be for companies to base their custom uses
17:49 sofar red-001: there will always be people "holding out"
17:49 sofar red-001: same mentality has bomb shelters in their houses
17:49 ^7heo juli: actually, it's "because it works"
17:50 juli the package system is nice
17:50 ^7heo and it's minimalist.
17:50 ^7heo much less code to review.
17:50 juli but yes i use linux too :)
17:50 red-001 I find it hard to belive a system barely anyone uses "just works"
17:50 juli gentoo :)
17:51 ^7heo red-001: I don't find it hard to believe. People are stupid.
17:51 ^7heo red-001: you included, since you believe they're not.
17:51 ^7heo one of the most important problems with IT is "the mass of lusers following itself"
17:51 ^7heo like people being "ah, the most popular linux distro is ubuntu, I guess I'll use that then"
17:52 ^7heo therefore making ubuntu the most popular linux distro.
17:52 ^7heo yay people, yay zombies.
17:52 ^7heo red-001: https://peoplewhatabunchofbastards.com/
17:54 ^7heo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPOEHMrL5U
17:58 sofar "gentoo, when you want BSD but must Linux"
17:58 sofar "ubuntu, when nobody told you about the 350 other viable Linux distros out there"
17:59 sofar "archlinux, when you're fedup with all the other distros"
17:59 sofar "redhat, when you get paid money to use linux"
18:00 ^7heo "archlinux, when you're still a noob, but dream of being a h4xx0r"
18:01 ^7heo "redhat, when you have to deal with dummies"
18:01 ^7heo more like that.
18:01 red-001 "bsd", when you want to use obscure software
18:02 red-001 "windows" when you don't really care about all this and what is this linux thing?
18:02 ^7heo red-001: "Obscure" doesn't really mean shit.
18:02 ^7heo red-001: it's a bit like people who consider docker to be "better", because it's "more recent"
18:03 ^7heo those people should be fed software.
18:03 ^7heo Maybe then they'll realize the difference between food and software.
18:04 red-001 great then use an ARM cpu in your next system
18:04 red-001 in a lot of ways it's better designed
18:05 ^7heo why the fuck would you assume I'm not?
18:05 ^7heo =/
18:06 red-001 -^7heo- VERSION irssi v0.8.19 - running on Linux x86_64
18:06 ^7heo have you ever heard of:
18:06 ^7heo 1. VPSes
18:06 ^7heo 2. IRC clients faking versions
18:07 ^7heo there's actually real use for both.
18:07 red-001 I though a vpn would be too mainstream for you
18:07 ^7heo juli: https://github.com/minetest/minet‚Äčest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ?
18:07 ^7heo red-001: you don't know the difference between a VPS and a VPN. You're just a waste of my time.
18:08 ^7heo I should have done the same as rafalcpp and ignored you.
18:08 Calinou I don't get the Ubuntu hate, really
18:08 red-001 I see you havn't heard of typos etc
18:08 Calinou my VPS was on Ubuntu Server 14.04, now on 16.04, and it's going fine so far
18:08 red-001 I don't really have time for people like you
18:08 Calinou my desktop/laptop are on Manjaro (more up-to-date software with less hassle)
18:09 Calinou if someone made a LTS Arch, I'd be all for it
18:09 Calinou so that it'd be usable on servers :)
18:09 ^7heo aha LTS arch
18:09 ^7heo that's fun because they don't even have short term support at all.
18:09 ^7heo let alone support.
18:10 ^7heo arch is more like "we break it, you get to fix it."
18:10 red-001 I really don't see why people need to be smug about their software choice
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18:10 ^7heo juli: https://github.com/minetest/minet‚Äčest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ?
18:10 Calinou also, Ubuntu is a relatively solid desktop distro too (especially the variants, if you dislike Unity), and it has tons of users, so getting support is easy
18:11 Calinou (LTS at least; non-LTS is ok, but I wish they dropped it for rolling releases instead)
18:11 red-001 in your defense through you might just be a troll
18:11 ^7heo Calinou: what I like with ubuntu, is that it's easy to upgrade.
18:11 Calinou rolling-release is easier to QA in the long term
18:11 ^7heo Calinou: rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
18:11 ^7heo Calinou: and then reinstlal.
18:11 ^7heo reinstall*
18:11 Calinou Fedora will likely go that route (they're not releasing alphas anymore)
18:11 Calinou instead, they'll point bleeding edge users to Rawhide
18:11 ^7heo that's easier than anything else
18:11 ^7heo it's like windows.
18:11 ^7heo just unmount your home drive
18:11 Calinou (I was a Fedora user for over a year, it's pretty solid, but my laptop's Wi-Fi did not work with Fedora 25)
18:11 ^7heo delete the system
18:12 ^7heo reinstall the new one
18:12 * twoelk just finished updating a laptop to xubuntu 16.04
18:12 Calinou ^7heo: it's nice to not be so blunt, by the way
18:12 ^7heo remount your home
18:12 ^7heo done
18:12 Calinou twoelk: usually upgrades work fine for me, even from non-LTS to non-LTS
18:12 ^7heo Calinou: I agree.
18:12 Calinou I've done 3 or 4 upgrades at least
18:12 ^7heo Calinou: It's nice.
18:12 ^7heo Calinou: It's also nice to live in a world where people aren't stupid.
18:12 ^7heo Calinou: unfortunately...
18:12 twoelk was a multiboot system with w10, seems ok sofar
18:12 Hijiri minetest should have a rolling release
18:12 Calinou twoelk: nice highlight :P
18:13 Hijiri maybe that is sfan's builds
18:13 Calinou Hijiri: for smaller-scale projects, it doesn't work that well
18:13 Calinou for operating systems, for many use cases, it's a perfect fit though
18:13 twoelk oops :D
18:13 Calinou even I stopped maintaining More Blocks in a rolling-release manner
18:13 Calinou (though you can still get the latest Git commits if you want)
18:14 red-001 http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24
18:14 Hijiri I just want to have modding features become widespread more quickly :P
18:15 Calinou Hijiri: unfortunately, the culprits here are:
18:15 Calinou - LTS distros shipping old games and being happy with it
18:15 Calinou - the lack of update notifications in Minetest (at least for distributions of ours)
18:15 Calinou (distros won't allow update checks, but we can supply some in Windows builds, macOS and Linux AppImages)
18:16 Hijiri I can see why they wouldn't allow update checks
18:16 est31 update checks dont make sense in linux distros
18:16 Calinou Hijiri: yeah, since you're not able to download the updates anyway
18:16 Hijiri When I played MC I found it annoying when I was using a modpack and every mod printed an update notificatin
18:16 est31 thats the point
18:16 Calinou Hijiri: IMO they're acceptable if you can turn them off
18:16 Calinou (like in most sane software)
18:16 est31 if you get stuff via apt-get then update checks are not useful
18:16 est31 minetest should get app images and flatpaks
18:16 Calinou yes, definitely
18:17 Calinou I would be happy to help maintain official AppImages
18:17 ^7heo juli: hast Du mein link gesehen?
18:18 juli oh sorry ne war afk
18:18 ^7heo ok
18:18 ^7heo juli: https://github.com/minetest/minet‚Äčest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ?
18:18 ^7heo das
18:19 juli welchen stream nimmt man um etwas in der Konsole auszugeben? infostream?
18:19 twoelk hm, mt 0.4.13 on the xubuntu lappy, now how does this appimage thing work?
18:19 Calinou twoelk: feel free to try out my AppImages (unofficial), they work on any distro as recent as Ubuntu 14.04 or newer
18:20 Calinou twoelk: https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/
18:20 twoelk btw #minetest-de gibt es auch noch
18:20 Calinou (it's some post-0.4.15 Git build)
18:20 Calinou download it, make it executable (chmod +x), run!
18:20 Calinou you may see warnings about unknown path, but you can safely ignore it
18:20 ^7heo juli: wie bitte?
18:20 Calinou twoelk: I will eventually remake the webpage too, just like for Godot
18:21 juli lol ich möchte in minetest versuchen den chat in der konsole auszugeben :)
18:21 ^7heo (Entschuldigung aber Deutsch ist nicht meinen muttersprache)
18:21 Calinou twoelk: I have this for Godot now: https://lut.im/tvJBJOF8Pp/7w4P72NH7F5ZlPQV.png :)
18:21 ^7heo aaah
18:21 ^7heo weiß nicht
18:21 juli hmm ok
18:21 juli i try infostream
18:21 ^7heo dann sagt mich :D
18:22 juli ??
18:23 juli infostream doesn't work
18:23 juli errorstream makes to red messages
18:23 juli ok i have to go to eat dinner
18:25 ^7heo mahlzeit. :)
18:30 red-001 neat someone wrote an os in c@
18:31 QwertyDragon i looked here http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog but
18:32 red-001 looks like more then one person did
18:32 red-001 there are two c# oses
18:33 red-001 QwertyDragon, whats your issue?
18:33 red-001 lack of changelog?
18:34 red-001 I think someone posted one on the fourm
18:35 QwertyDragon and here https://forum.minetest.net/vi‚Äčewtopic.php?p=243949#p243949 but
18:35 QwertyDragon can not see about sand
18:35 red-001 you mean the new cold desert biome?
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18:36 QwertyDragon i can not use hoe on either default:sand or default:desert_sand
18:36 red-001 huh
18:36 QwertyDragon was that changed?
18:36 red-001 latest mt-game/mt?
18:36 QwertyDragon yes 4.15
18:37 red-001 I mean latest dev
18:37 red-001 e.g. daily build
18:37 QwertyDragon on stable
18:38 QwertyDragon on stable can anyone else use hoe on sand and desert sand? i can't for some reason
18:38 red-001 you might want to search through mt-game bug reports/pr's
18:38 QwertyDragon ok
18:38 twoelk seems that laptop I updated is 32bit, I sort of never noticed :-)
18:38 red-001 I don't use stable so I can't test
18:38 twoelk Calinou: any 32bit AppImages?
18:39 red-001 you could also ask a mt-game dev about it
18:39 Calinou twoelk: nope, sorry
18:39 Calinou that complicates the build system significantly
18:39 twoelk does the old oneline script still work?
18:39 red-001 looks like I have mt-0.4.15 installed
18:40 red-001 testing
18:40 twoelk hoe on sand is a recent add to dev, not in stable iirc
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18:50 Calinou twoelk: maybe
18:50 Calinou it's not guaranteed to work on all Ubuntu-based distros
18:50 Calinou it breaks in 16.10 due to the libpng packaging changes, for example
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18:59 twoelk seems I was able to update to mt 0.4.15-dev-b52f300
18:59 twoelk on xubuntu
19:00 twoelk using your update script
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21:08 Milan[m]1 uhm... how do i calculate node coordinates to chunk coordinates? shouldn't it be x16?
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21:25 sfan5 Milan[m]1: / 16
21:26 Milan[m]1 oh right - / ...but it doesn't match with the underworlds settings hmmm
21:26 Milan[m]1 but thanks so i wasn't wrong
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21:37 Milan[m]1 i mean... i say `low_chunk = -42` and the cave spawns at -57 :S
21:44 agaran -42 -16 ends at -58 ?
21:48 Milan[m]1 i .... maybe i don't understand the calculation proberly but - i expect -42 + 16nodes but not +16chunks?
21:51 Milan[m]1 i mean - the mess i created in the underworlds settings (the positioning) looks fine for me so far but i really would like to understand that correctly
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21:51 agaran Milan[m]1: well you mean node coords or mapblock coords?
21:54 Milan[m]1 agaran, i mean that `high_chunk = -12,` `low_chunk = -42,` makes the cave begins at -912nodes which would be -57 in chunks...
21:55 agaran true
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22:09 Milan[m]1 omg i should alter this again, now the lowest point of the cave appears to be -1717nodes
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23:50 kaeza greetings

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