Time Nick Message 01:25 Open_Future external ip is fine (same as before) suddenly my server which I was able to connect to a week or so ago from other computers/devices over the internet keeps giving connection timed out. Any ideas? Firewall/router seems to be same setup...no changes. 01:59 YellowberryHN What's going down here? 02:00 VanessaE nothing much 02:00 YellowberryHN Also, a quick question. Does the original RPi have enough processing power to run a Minetest client? 02:00 YellowberryHN Because I got bored, so I bought an RPi and i'm on irssi with it right now 02:10 YellowberryHN VanessaE: You still working on HDX? 02:10 VanessaE yep 02:11 YellowberryHN You have mod support right? 02:11 VanessaE I try to keep it up-to-date, but I sometimes get lazy :) 02:11 Open_Future external ip is fine (same as before) suddenly my server which I was able to connect to a week or so ago from other computers/devices over the internet keeps giving connection timed out. Any ideas? Firewall/router seems to be same setup...no changes. 02:11 VanessaE yes. I target Dreambuilder, but there are a number of other mods that are supported as well. Usually I focus on the most recent versions/builds of those mods. 02:12 VanessaE Open_Future: no idea, sorry 02:12 YellowberryHN Nice. 02:12 YellowberryHN I might stop being silly and secluded and update Moontest and start working on it again 02:13 Open_Future I can connect with using lan ip on the network, but not with the nsupdate.info link 02:13 Open_Future even though it has been updated and reflects my external ip data 02:13 YellowberryHN In fact, I think I will right now. 02:17 YellowberryHN Back 02:20 YellowberryHN Oh... 02:20 YellowberryHN Has anyone successfully compiled Minetest on an armhf processor? 02:21 VaultyLappy isnt that generally mobile? 02:23 YellowberryHN or a Raspberry Pi 02:23 YellowberryHN but yes 02:23 VaultyLappy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/armhf/minetest 02:24 VaultyLappy however thhats 4.11 02:24 VaultyLappy this one is 4.12 02:24 VaultyLappy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/armhf/minetest-server 02:26 VaultyLappy then this might help instead 02:26 VaultyLappy http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=minetest 02:28 YellowberryHN found a version for zesty that is 0.4.15 02:28 YellowberryHN trying it 02:37 VaultyLappy or could have done sudo apt install minetest 02:45 YellowberryHN but that is 0.3.1 which seems to be broken on armhf 03:02 YellowberryHN ugh 03:03 YellowberryHN whenever I do "sudo apt-get -f install" to fix the broken depends from manually installing .deb files, it just tries to remove them 03:03 YellowberryHN how frustrating 03:05 octacian YellowberryHN: could you possibly build it yourself? 03:05 octacian There's some really good instructions here 03:05 octacian https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 03:07 octacian Oh wait, I just went and read the chat history xD 03:07 octacian NVM lol 03:07 YellowberryHN yeah 03:08 YellowberryHN i've never had good luck with compiling 03:08 YellowberryHN there is always some stupid unsolvable problem and then I just give up 03:30 YellowberryHN any aspiring modders in here? 03:53 YellowberryHN well 03:54 YellowberryHN Minecraft Pi Edition is just a shitty backport of Pcoket Edition for Android with an added mod api 03:55 YellowberryHN not recommended 03:55 YellowberryHN but then again, it's free 03:55 XtremeHacker It's also been abandond for years 03:55 XtremeHacker You could run MT debian arm on a recent-ish pi (pi 3/2) I think 03:55 YellowberryHN do we have any mods for minetest that allow hardware control of the game? 03:56 XtremeHacker IDK,let me check 03:56 YellowberryHN I sadly have a pi 1 03:57 rdococ pi 03:57 rdococ tasty 03:57 XtremeHacker Maths is fun! 03:58 YellowberryHN ALERT! ALERT! en_GB detected! 03:58 XtremeHacker en_CA = me 03:58 YellowberryHN well then 03:59 YellowberryHN I guess us americans are outliers then 04:13 YellowberryHN XtremeHacker: find any mods? 04:13 XtremeHacker YellowberryHN, sorry AFK, and no 04:15 YellowberryHN maybe I should take a break from programming my game and make something that can talk to hardware 05:55 Hijiri hardware control? 05:55 Hijiri like the game controls hardware? or you use hardware to control the game? 09:46 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Care Giver Appreciation Day! 😃 ❤ 12:32 CWz seems the forum spambots are back 12:50 fireglow !mod cme 12:50 MinetestBot fireglow: Creatures MOB-Engine [cme] by BlockMen - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638 12:52 fireglow RIP 14:27 Fixer spam https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20713 14:30 fireglow Interests:Dining out 14:30 fireglow nice 16:16 lisac octacian, I don't mind really. :D 16:16 octacian lisac: OK, here's what you're probably doing wrong 16:16 lisac also, thanks for assisting me. 16:16 octacian What function callback are you using to update the itemstack description? 16:16 octacian (e.g. on_use) 16:17 lisac on_use = on_use_stone, 16:17 octacian ok 16:17 lisac local function on_use_stone(itemstack, player, pointed_thing) 16:17 lisac I am using that already :D 16:17 octacian What you probably did, is forgot to return the itemstack or update it another way 16:17 lisac Oh. 16:17 lisac I might have. 16:17 lisac I have to return it? 16:18 octacian Yes 16:18 rdococ ase 16:18 octacian Either do return itemstack after modifying it 16:18 octacian Or you could set the wielded item. 16:18 lisac so, just add return in front of the desc changing line 16:19 lisac return itemstack:get_meta():set_string("description", "NEW DESCRIPTION") 16:19 lisac like that? 16:19 octacian Yes. 16:19 lisac Okay, I'll try :D 16:19 octacian As long as you don't have code after the desc changing line 16:20 lisac I don't. But this won't work 16:20 lisac Same description.. 16:20 octacian That is super weird. 16:20 octacian Would you mind providing your code in pastegin or as a Gist? 16:20 lisac Sure :D 16:21 lisac http://pastebin.com/Sj2HDV2a 16:21 lisac octacian, ^ 16:23 octacian lisac: That's a node 16:23 lisac It can't be a node? 16:23 octacian I'm pretty sure on_use doesn't apply to nodes 16:23 octacian Wait, NVM 16:24 octacian Let me make a few modifications for you to try 16:25 octacian lisac: http://pastebin.com/3qBE0kDj 16:26 lisac That works! 16:26 octacian Good. 16:26 lisac you just separated it into multiple lines? 16:26 octacian Yes 16:27 octacian There seems to be an issue sometimes with changing stuff while returning 16:27 lisac Oh, okay. Thank you for your help, once again :D 16:27 octacian set_meta() returns true, rather than the itemstack itself 16:27 octacian YW 16:37 rafalcpp when there will be a version that automatically remembers per-server password? 16:37 rafalcpp that's really a basic thing 16:57 lisac rafalcpp, I doubt it. Minetest encodes passwords, so it never really sends them over the network. It would be a security risk to keep them, as that would have to be done in plain text. 16:58 lisac You can probably install a password manager, though. If you can't remember your password. 17:04 PureTryOut[m] wait, I find it hard to believe Minetest couldn't save a password securely locally 17:04 rafalcpp lisac: LOL 17:04 rafalcpp secuirty risk 17:04 rafalcpp durruuu huruuu 17:04 rafalcpp lisac: dude. that is like #1 missconception repeated by people with no idea re security 17:05 rafalcpp if someone already is in position to access your hard drive, then you generally are fucked anyway 17:05 rafalcpp anyway everyone keeps the password in damn password.txt and is just annoyed 17:06 Gaffel Don't fuel people's ignorance by using bad practice. 17:06 rafalcpp it's not a bitcoin that you would need hardware-wallet, or brain wallet seed to be sure no one will recover your thrown away hard-drive to recover the precious password. Anyway, without full disk encryption it likelly leaked anyway e.g. in SWAP file 17:07 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: there is no such thing as "save securely". Your hard drive already IS secure 17:07 rafalcpp if you think your MT account is worth thousands $, then encrypt the disk, that is job for the OS 17:08 rafalcpp requiring user to manually enter a PIN like ssh or GPG or bitcoin wallet password or seed, is for very high security topics, not for computer games 17:08 PureTryOut[m] obviously it's easier for a hacker to steal your password if it's in plaintext rather than encrypted, so yeah there is such a thing as "save securely" 17:08 PureTryOut[m] steal/decypher 17:08 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: no, that is incorrect 17:08 rafalcpp well or not exactly: 17:09 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: either you then enter the PIN to unlock the password (which is almost as annoying) 17:09 rafalcpp or 17:09 rafalcpp or you "encrypt" it and save the encryption key... well, on the disk too. which is totally pointless 17:09 Gaffel A machine that is on has the encryption/decryption key in RAM. It's equally bad to store passwords in "plain text" on an encrypted drive. 17:09 rafalcpp differene between thoes can matter for security-focused tools like SSH. not for computer game 17:09 rafalcpp *difference 17:09 PureTryOut[m] whatever, discussion aside. it would be nice for Minetest to remember the password yes 17:09 PureTryOut[m] makes it a bit more user-friendly 17:09 Gaffel Best practice applies to everything. 17:10 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: result of current "security" of minetest, 17:10 rafalcpp is that I set password asdfasdfasdf usually 17:10 rafalcpp because I don't want to fuck with password.txt when starting some game for a short break 17:10 Gaffel I store my passwords in an encrypted file. 17:11 rafalcpp well if I would actually care, I would store it in a file that would be on LUKS (AES) encrypted hdd. just remove the need to copy/paste it plz 17:11 Gaffel Storing it in "plain text" on an encrypted drive is still bad practice. 17:11 rafalcpp Gaffel: no 17:11 Gaffel Also, when you use encryption, the swap should also be encrypted. 17:12 rafalcpp Gaffel: full disk encryption 17:12 rafalcpp encrypting file on already encrypted disk serves generally no purpose 17:12 Gaffel A machine that is on has the encryption/descryption key stored in RAM. 17:12 Gaffel It does 17:12 rafalcpp Gaffel: what purpoe would that be 17:12 PureTryOut[m] I store my passwords using KeepassX which is always closed, except for when I need a password 17:12 PureTryOut[m] should be pretty safe 17:13 Gaffel Software that runs on your machine has read access to a lot of things. 17:13 rafalcpp you realize we are talking about some computer game password right? not a password to Steam with 5000$ in equipment on it right? 17:13 Gaffel The lockscreen is not 100% reliable either. 17:14 rafalcpp Gaffel: if you have malicious program running on same account as your MT game, it will just replace your minetest binary with one that logs the password. or keylog or anything 17:14 rafalcpp in such case you already lost 17:14 rafalcpp (not that anyone ever would do that for some free computer game) 17:14 Gaffel It's about using best practive. "Our game is free, just store it unencrypted." is what ignorant people do. 17:15 rafalcpp Gaffel: ignorant people apply wrong security where it doesn't help 17:15 Gaffel A password might be identical or similar to another password. 17:15 rafalcpp yeah using similar password is a real concern 17:15 Gaffel Don't assume that your users know how to store passwords. 17:15 rafalcpp or poeple using password fuckoff or asdf 17:15 rafalcpp which is the result of current silly "security" 17:15 Gaffel Don't assume that people use good passwords. 17:15 rafalcpp yeah 17:16 rafalcpp so what is much better? just generate random 30 char password, store it in normal clear-text 17:16 agaran you forget that memory does not erase itself once it has been freed, app need explicitly erase it after 17:16 rafalcpp all actuall problems are then solved 17:16 Gaffel You're promoting bad security. The password should not be stored unencrypted on disk. 17:16 rafalcpp Gaffel: you yet have to prove any difference 17:17 Gaffel Prove what difference? 17:17 rafalcpp you are pomoting wrong security be using idioticly overpowered "sec" where it's not needed, causing users to do actually stupid things like password asdf or like using same pass as they use for gmail 17:17 Calinou rafalcpp: problem is, people use multiple devices and sometimes reinstall their OS without backing up the key 17:17 Calinou which is why you can't rely on systems solely relying on "something you have" 17:18 rafalcpp Calinou: there are two kinds of people 17:18 Gaffel rafalcpp, any user can use dumb passwords, even "smart" people. 17:18 rafalcpp Gaffel: which is why passwd should be generated (and saved to disk in normal clear text as sane people do) 17:19 Gaffel Yeah, storing the key on disk add the problem of forgetting it on the disk when it's erased. 17:19 Gaffel No! It's not sane to store password on disk, regardless. 17:19 rafalcpp if users think their MT (or anything other on comp) is important then they enable Full Disk Encr 17:19 rafalcpp Gaffel: it is. Get a clue 17:19 Calinou rafalcpp: you don't want your brother or your dog to log in as you just because they found the password file, too 17:19 Gaffel Full disk encryption shouldn't be assumed or recommended. 17:19 Calinou consider that many users don't use separate user accounts on their PC, even if they actually share their PC 17:20 Calinou yeah, FDE is way too fragile to be usable 17:20 rafalcpp Pidgin explained this idiotic missconception of "security" users, years ago 17:20 rafalcpp https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords 17:20 Calinou (slowness is not an issue anymore with SSDs, fragility still is) 17:20 rafalcpp Calinou: FDE is not fragile, what do you mean 17:21 rafalcpp Calinou: and if user tends to forgets his pass, he will forget his MT pass as well anyway 17:21 Calinou rafalcpp: FDE is fragile as in, it can break and leave all your data unrecoverable 17:21 Calinou there's lots of such horror stories 17:21 rafalcpp either way, MT could support both options. just add a checkbox to save it to a file or not 17:21 Gaffel I use FDE, secure boot, and still don't want software to store passwords in plain text on my disk. 17:21 Calinou it's also an issue with failing hardware 17:21 rafalcpp Calinou: it can not, if you use any sane implementation 17:22 Calinou can it handle dual booting with Windows too? 17:22 rafalcpp Gaffel: well then you're paranoid or something. Who is out to get your minetest password to steal your virtual quges? NSA? they have backdoor anyway in your BIOS and CPU 17:22 rafalcpp *cubes 17:22 Gaffel I'm not worried about NSA. 17:23 rafalcpp Calinou: yes it can 17:23 rafalcpp Gaffel: who will steal your minetest password? 17:23 Gaffel I just want the thief to get annoyed and give up 17:23 Gaffel It's not about minetest, it's about how software should store password and how they shouldn't store passwords. 17:23 rafalcpp Gaffel: if I can run programs on your computer as your user, encrypting will not help you. If I can as another user, then chmod 700 solves it. 17:24 Gaffel You're essentially saying "Minetest is free, therefore it should store passwords in plain text." 17:24 rafalcpp if I can not at all, then disk encryption solves it 17:25 rafalcpp Gaffel: even SSH does "just" this 17:25 rafalcpp stores in plaintext, plus OPTIONAL pin 17:25 Gaffel SSH? 17:25 rafalcpp you don't input your privkey from memory 17:25 rafalcpp Gaffel: yeah, ssh pubkey authentication 17:25 Gaffel My private key is encrypted. 17:26 rafalcpp Gaffel: which is optional 17:26 rafalcpp also, you lose it without backup 17:26 Gaffel Yes, because sometimes it can't be. 17:26 rafalcpp either way, we can easily support both 17:27 Gaffel We? 17:27 Gaffel Are you a Minetest developer? 17:27 rafalcpp community of minetest 17:28 rafalcpp so then, how about option to remember password 17:42 MinetestBot kaeza: Mar-03 15:47 UTC IT'S WORKING 17:42 kaeza Jordach, \o/ 17:42 kaeza greetings 17:43 VanessaE hi 18:40 * Taose waves at VanessaE 18:41 Taose There are some people here >.> 18:41 strncpy hi 18:41 Taose (an hour later) 18:41 Taose (hi) 18:41 VanessaE hi. 18:41 Taose How are things :D 18:42 Taose Have you thought about turning down the contrast/sharpness a touch on your textures to make them more natural? 18:43 VanessaE nope. :P 18:45 Taose Dammit 18:45 Taose (Though I can see why) 19:23 Fixer nobody is here 19:25 sfan5 誰もいない 19:27 Out`Of`Control moreblocks has more shapes? 19:29 Fixer yes 19:30 VanessaE yep :) 19:35 Krock indeed, nobody here 21:05 Jordach what's this? http://i.imgur.com/9zV9GMW.png 21:05 Jordach there is no formspec 21:05 Jordach only zuul 21:08 VanessaE Jordach: a HUD image maybe 21:08 VanessaE maybe they replaced the crosshairs image itself 21:09 VanessaE an on-globalstep should be able to periodically check for a keypress 21:09 VanessaE and sneak is of course one of the keys that the get-player-controls call can return 21:09 VanessaE (or YOU did rather ;) ) 21:09 VanessaE (I just realized those are your textures on the grass) 21:12 Jordach https://youtu.be/VtvGeyy3vwM 21:12 Jordach there's more magic 21:13 VanessaE you cheated! 21:13 VanessaE I never even considered the idea of an entity or whatever that is 21:13 Jordach am i? 21:13 Jordach the best answer is the simple one 21:14 Jordach what makes it special - i can animate every part of it 21:20 Jordach VanessaE, with even more trickery - i can vanish a players nametag and skin on first join so everyone can see a title 21:20 Jordach (i'm tempted to warp plays to +30k for this, as for a temp custom skybox that gets reverted to the standard one) 22:12 Fixer Jordach: that windows xp for 10 theme is ridiculous 22:27 kaeza everybody knows Win9X had the best visuals 23:39 Fixer Windows 2000 classics theme is the best 23:39 Fixer everything else went to shit with fisher price crap 23:39 fireglow I loved win2k 23:40 fireglow SO much 23:40 Fixer windows 7 still has classic theme