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09:55 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Tim Tam Day! 😃
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11:52 Taose Is there any way to crouch or go prone?
11:59 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix a small regression caused by e2ad76f. 2dcbc01 https://git.io/vDyWu (2017-02-16T11:59:19Z)
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12:06 * kaeza slaps Jordach
12:07 Jordach MEOW
12:07 kaeza Taose, horribly outdated: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/tree/crouching :D
12:10 kaeza and doesn't do anything beyond moving the camera :P
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12:12 Jordach_ tfw my router is also being stupid
12:13 agaran Jordach_: get smart one? or thats ruled out already?
12:13 Jordach_ >high end asus router
12:15 Taose O.o
12:15 Taose asus
12:15 Taose Well there's your problem
12:15 Taose High End and Asus are words that should never be in the same sentence
12:16 Taose Kaeza, thanks, but if it does nothing but moving the camera it's useless, I have horizontal tunnels I need to get through...
12:16 Jordach_ it's been stable for the last 6 months eating a 175mbps fiber line
12:17 Taose That that Mibs or mbs?
12:17 Taose is that*
12:17 Jordach_ megabit
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12:31 agaran Jordach_: overheating problems?
12:31 Jordach_ no idea
12:31 Jordach_ cpu at load is 45c
12:31 Jordach_ gpu caps at 65c due to custom throttling
12:32 Jordach_ mobo at 34c
12:32 Jordach_ PSU might be getting toasty and losing efficiency at load
12:32 Jordach_ causing a voltage spike
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12:44 Taose 45 is a touch hi
12:44 Taose gpu is definitely hi
12:44 Taose high*
12:44 Jordach_ Taose, default settings for an AMD RX 480 is 85C
12:44 Taose O.o
12:44 Jordach_ Intel i5 4690k with no overclock
12:44 Jordach_ (max load is 3.8Ghz)
12:45 Calinou Taose: are Netgear routers better? :P
12:45 Taose Probably not I use TPs...
12:48 Taose I hear netgear are good stability wise, but they're terrible security wise
12:48 Taose (back doors galore)
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12:55 Taose Curious: Is it possible to make gravity plating in minetest?
12:55 twoelk plating?
12:55 Taose yeah
12:56 Taose (I know, weird concept)
12:56 Taose Lets say I have a box room for a moment.
12:56 Taose Generally I want each wall to be the floor.
12:56 ^7heo Damn all those discussions while I'm at work...
12:56 ^7heo makes me wanna play minetest.
12:56 ^7heo v_v
12:56 agaran Jordach_: I meant router overheating..
12:57 agaran Jordach_: some cheap routers have bad aging symptoms.. like cheap mobos then they start to crash randomly..
12:57 ^7heo and to make matters worse, we have a pre-lan party (to test games for a Lan party) tonight, so everybody here is also talking about games...
12:57 Taose XD
12:57 Calinou Taose: no, not possible IIRC
12:57 Taose Why don't you go play then ^7heo
12:57 Calinou changing the gravity vector per-node is not possible right now, I believe
12:57 Taose dammit
12:58 Taose But I can just turn gravity off?
12:58 twoelk that would rather be per sector
12:58 Jordach_ agaran, Z-97K here
12:58 Jordach_ (Asus)
12:58 Taose So I can only turn it off per sector?
12:59 twoelk no
12:59 Taose Well...okay, it's not that big a st...
12:59 twoelk not yet
12:59 Jordach_ aight
12:59 Jordach_ PSU arrived
12:59 twoelk or in forseeable futer
12:59 Jordach_ now for the fun part of redoing all my cabling
12:59 Taose I could have sworn there was a comment that gravity could just be turned off
12:59 * twoelk runs to find a spelling book
12:59 twoelk grant yourself fly
13:00 Taose Oh I got that bit twoelk.
13:00 Calinou Taose: you can't change physics per-node, only per-player
13:00 twoelk that won't change the direction of falling sand though
13:00 * Taose would like to rotate themselves roll and pitch too...
13:01 Taose >.> I'm building a space ship here
13:01 Taose it's not gonna have sand
13:01 Taose But some of the structure is going to be upside down...
13:02 Taose It's why I wanted to turn gravity off completely
13:02 Taose No falling
13:02 twoelk maybe try the spacesim subgame and see how they handle it if at all https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&amp;t=15081
13:05 Taose Well if anyone figures out how I can rotate my character... I'd appreciate it.
13:05 ^7heo use the mouse.
13:05 * ^7heo hides
13:06 Taose That does left and right, up and down
13:06 Taose and pitch
13:06 Taose but not yaw
13:06 Taose and for some reason there's a limit on how far I can go down as well (it's not 360)
13:07 Taose It's 180°
13:07 Taose (Which does make some sense)
13:07 ^7heo yeah I mean, you can't really do the same moves as the possessed girl in the exorcist.
13:08 ^7heo not IRL tho.
13:08 Taose XD
13:08 Taose She does that in real life
13:08 ^7heo yeah but she is possessed in real life...
13:08 Taose She's a professional contortionist
13:08 Taose XD
13:08 ^7heo so there's that too.
13:08 Taose (we're talking about Samara right?)
13:09 ^7heo (Linda Blair)
13:09 Taose (hasn't even watched it, due to not liking horrors)
13:09 ^7heo (not sure who Samara is)
13:09 Taose Samara would be the character
13:09 ^7heo Ah ok
13:10 ^7heo Apparently the character is called Regan
13:10 ^7heo (not Ronald, Regan)
13:10 * ^7heo hides
13:10 Taose https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Samara&amp;t=canonical&amp;iax=1&amp;ia=images
13:11 Taose Ah different film
13:12 ^7heo Possibly
13:13 ^7heo Also thanks for using duckduckgo.
13:13 ^7heo :)
13:13 Taose I don't use google any more.
13:13 Taose At all
13:13 ^7heo Wiat
13:14 ^7heo s/ia/ai/
13:14 ^7heo Are you talking about the movie "Rings"!?
13:14 Taose The ring it was.
13:14 ^7heo Damn
13:15 ^7heo Dude, that is absolutely not related.
13:15 Taose I noticed
13:15 ^7heo It's like if I was talking about the movie "The exorcist" and you tell me you've seen "Constantine"
13:15 ^7heo :D
13:15 ^7heo (which is a good movie IMHO but, not related ;)
13:16 Taose XD
13:16 ^7heo And constantine is one of those movies that the critics didn't like
13:16 ^7heo because technically it's pretty bland
13:16 ^7heo but that the audience liked quite a lot
13:17 ^7heo because the work of the actors as well as the uniaueness of the details is making the movie interesting.
13:18 Taose Well, yes
13:18 ^7heo wow
13:18 Taose It wasn't "bland" per se as it didn't do much
13:18 ^7heo uniaueness.
13:18 ^7heo uniqueness, even.
13:19 ^7heo yet
13:19 ^7heo https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/constantine/
13:19 ^7heo Critics: 46%
13:19 ^7heo Audience: 72%
13:22 Taose One thing about building enclosed large structures
13:22 Taose ...damned black once you've put the final piece in
13:22 * Taose grabs a meselamp
13:22 ^7heo yeah
13:22 ^7heo that's the idea yes.
13:24 ^7heo Yeaaah! Now I know why I like it so much. A review says "the format of Noir thrillers"
13:24 ^7heo It is exactly that.
13:24 ^7heo It's a noir thriller.
13:24 ^7heo and I freaking LOVE those thrillers.
13:26 Taose Yes. A noir thriller with no black people
13:26 ^7heo Untrue.
13:26 * Taose wonders why the hell they call it noir
13:26 ^7heo There's a couple of black people.
13:27 Taose Are you sure they're 'people'?
13:27 ^7heo yes.
13:27 ^7heo In the club of the dude who sees all the things.
13:27 ^7heo who is a black shaman
13:28 ^7heo of sorts
13:29 Persi[m] Is papa midnite in the movie?
13:29 ^7heo yeah that's the dude..
13:29 ^7heo what a shitty name tho.
13:30 Persi[m] Hellblazer isn't the most tasteful comic book
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13:41 Taose Can't believe no one has made a custom character control mod yet...
13:41 Taose Found it
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13:42 Taose (Well.. it's called Rotation but it's not really a custom control mechanism)
13:45 ^7heo Taose: can you show the mod?
13:45 ^7heo so I can check what you wanted to do?
13:45 Taose https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=16011#p242077
13:46 Taose Lets imagine a sphere for a moment and it's pointing: north (as much as a sphere can point anywhere)
13:47 Taose Your sphere can turn left and right
13:47 Taose It can look up and down
13:47 Taose So that's x and y
13:47 Taose But there's something between x and y called "degrees"
13:48 Taose That's called "Yaw" (or is it roll)
13:48 Taose So top half is -x, y and bottom half ix x, -y
13:49 Taose http://howthingsfly.si.edu/flight-dynamics/roll-pitch-and-yaw
13:49 Taose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_dynamics
13:49 Taose (it was roll)
13:50 Taose As it is in the game, pitch only goes 180° (so look up, look down)
13:50 Taose I'd like it so if I look down far enough, I return to looking up (360°)
13:51 Taose Likewise I'd like to be able to roll so that the horizon is vertical... a Verizon so to speak
13:51 Taose ...
13:53 Taose Well at least I know how they got their name
13:53 twoelk celeron had a demo of roll effects
13:53 Taose o.o
13:53 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTjR5-IabY
13:54 Taose He did
13:54 Taose I want
13:54 twoelk client side stuff, much problems still
13:54 * Taose looks at celeron55 you hear me. I want that roll!
13:55 twoelk mostly security concerns iirc
13:55 Taose Oh I don't mind about security concerns I'm not planning on using it on a server
13:55 Taose (and even if I were it wouldn't matter)
13:55 Taose (private project mostly)
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14:19 Taose ...tnt just isn't cutting it
14:20 * Taose puts in an order for Sfan nukes
14:22 Taose hm
14:22 Taose No explosions
14:26 kaeza Taose, did you try https://github.com/ShadowNinja/nuke ?
14:27 Taose erm
14:27 Taose nope I just grabbed the first one I found
14:27 Taose ...and Sfan5 those bombs need to actually blow up... not be thrown all over the place
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14:45 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=249866#p249866 other TNT
14:52 sfan5 Taose: you mean with particle effects like the stock tnt mod?
14:54 Taose Standard TNT doesn't bounce and fly all over the place...
14:54 Taose It just blows up
14:54 Taose In a nice orderly fashion.
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14:58 sfan5 oh
15:01 sfan5 Taose: the physics are kind of exaggerated in the nuke mod however that's the point; if you prefer less change local mult = {x=1.5, y=2.5, z=1.5} in apply_tnt_physics() to smaller values
15:01 octacian wait, Taose: be you learning Lua?
15:02 octacian :P
15:07 Taose No >.<
15:07 Taose I'm in the midst of another project right now
15:10 octacian Taose: oh come on...
15:10 octacian And what project are you working on?
15:12 Taose it's a writing project and I'm doing a concept design in Minetest.
15:12 octacian A writing project?
15:12 Taose I'm using Minetest as a medium or a tool
15:12 Taose So hence all coding has been put on the back burner.
15:13 octacian And concept design in MT? Never heard of somebody doing that before
15:13 octacian What language will it be written in?
15:13 Taose It helps me visualize
15:13 Taose English.
15:13 octacian No...
15:13 octacian Programming language lol
15:13 Taose Not using one.
15:13 Taose It's a writing project
15:13 Taose as in "prose"
15:14 octacian Wait, what... And visualizing that in MT? I thought you were talking like a program
15:14 Taose XD
15:14 Taose Yes visualizing that in MT
15:14 octacian Well, this is my current project: https://cloud.endev.xyz/index.php/s/5RgbuR0UGrxgBZy
15:14 octacian ..and this goes with it too: https://cloud.endev.xyz/index.php/s/BGs61LmwjR7foRG
15:15 Taose Wow that site takes ages to load
15:15 octacian Yes, it does. That one is hosted on my own server behind slow internet.
15:15 octacian Why? Because I typically never use it outside my home network.
15:15 Taose >.<
15:16 octacian So, I take it it still hasn't loaded?
15:16 Taose It did
15:17 Taose And g'luck, you have a lot of competition from Moodle and similar systems.
15:17 octacian Thanks. :D
15:18 octacian Uhm, just looked at Moodle's website (as well as others), and the amount of competition keeps getting lower and lower the more I find out about them... lol
15:22 Taose ...the problem with Other_Worlds...
15:22 Taose is that space is just too darn full
15:25 Taose ...question
15:25 Taose How does one...
15:25 Taose erm
15:25 Taose place something in mid air?
15:26 PureTryOut[m] in-game? or by a mod?
15:26 PureTryOut[m] if in-game, just make a nerdpole or something up to it
15:26 PureTryOut[m] if a mod, `minetest.set_node(position, nodename)`
15:27 Taose in game
15:27 Taose ...
15:27 Taose a nerd pole
15:27 Taose ...I'm not quite sure
15:27 Taose That's going to be a viable solution
15:27 Taose Nearest land is 7000nodes away
15:27 PureTryOut[m] ooh darn
15:27 PureTryOut[m] what kind of world is that?
15:28 mmuller_ It should be fairly easy to make a small mod that stores a block directly under the player.
15:28 mmuller_ (or over, or north of...)
15:30 Taose Space station
15:31 Taose ish
15:37 PureTryOut[m] ooh cool
15:37 PureTryOut[m] so that's one of those dimensions which does work in the good ol' stacked method...
15:37 agaran Taose: without aid of mod. I was building -taaal- dirt towers..
15:38 Taose Well, other worlds has its issues
15:38 Taose There's not enough room for me to build in the normal space and red space areas
15:38 Taose so I had to go above
15:40 agaran what is red space?
15:41 kaeza <div style="color: #FF0000"> </div> ?
15:41 agaran kaeza: are you sure that this is mentioned red space?;)
15:41 agaran not &nbsp; ?
15:42 kaeza and background-color :P
15:42 Taose XD
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15:42 Taose I have no idea
15:43 Taose As far as I can tell, it's normal space with a red hue
15:43 agaran public server?
15:44 Taose You could just download the mod, but no I'm not on a server
15:45 agaran ah I see
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16:00 huda im trying to start learning how to mod
16:01 huda but the "http://dev.minetest.net/Intro" tutorial doesnt work and the page is outdated
16:01 huda could someone help me get started?
16:03 kaeza did you read the online book linked there?
16:03 kaeza http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/
16:05 huda no
16:05 huda thanks
16:06 kaeza np
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16:09 twoelk Taose: World Edit can place blocks in midair
16:16 twoelk or use the "origin mod" and change blockpos in the init.lua file   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=11156
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16:59 * PureTryOut[m] posted a file: Minetest.mkv (2079KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/LxBceAGoyNjDQOoiqKZtKfDi
16:59 PureTryOut[m] ^ my mod blocks the placement which is fine, but how do I prevent it from appearing there for a split second?
17:05 sfan5 51%[=========>          ]   1,05M  93,7KB/s    ETA 9s      matrix servers sure are fast
17:06 sfan5 PureTryOut[m]: node_placement_prediction = "" in nodedef iirc
17:06 sfan5 grep the docs for that
17:07 PureTryOut[m] [this](https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3715) bit?
17:08 sfan5 yes
17:09 PureTryOut[m] so what should I set it too? from what I see the first option is what is done now, but I don't see any better...
17:11 PureTryOut[m] ooh got it, just cancel prediction all together with ""
17:11 PureTryOut[m] thanks!
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18:16 rdococ how would you make seethrough portals... any ideas?
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18:18 agaran I doubt you can do that
18:18 agaran main problem is you would need to tell engine to teleport viewport
18:19 Taose Easy, make them transparent.
18:20 Taose Or don't give them a texture
18:20 agaran well if you want transparent nodes it is easy
18:20 Taose X)
18:20 agaran but I guessed he wanted to make them pass view from other end of portal
18:21 Taose I suspect it's that too, but it was just too good to pass up the opportunity to give an overly simplistic answer ;)
18:25 Wuzzy Lua question: Is there any easy way to get the flowing direction of a liquid node (ideally as an unit vector).
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19:00 twoelk search for nearest source?
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19:15 Taose hm...
19:15 Taose world edit is interesting
19:15 * Taose hijacks it to speed up spaceship making
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20:08 Taose Goddamn place holders
20:08 Taose How does one delete placeholders in world edit?
20:09 VanessaE select them with a //pos1 and //pos2 and //replace them.
20:11 Taose >.>
20:11 Taose Whose bright idea was it not to include a delete function XD
20:11 Taose /me is doing this all wrong don't mind them
20:11 VanessaE that IS the delete function :P
20:11 VanessaE or you can  //set air
20:11 VanessaE but that'll erase everything in the selection area
20:11 Taose I was using suppress
20:11 Taose >.>
20:12 Taose That's what I was trying to do (and failing)
20:12 VanessaE suppress is only meant to hide something for a few minutes at a time so that you can deal with something hidden by it
20:12 Taose (thanks for the assist)
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20:27 Taose That moment when your world edit command does most of your work for you but only after ten minutes of apparently not working....
20:28 Taose (a lotta nodes)
20:31 Taose Oh so much time saved...
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20:34 Taose Is there a range finder mod?
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20:47 Taose Anything?
20:52 agaran not to my knowledge but
20:52 agaran there was mod used for area markers.. it was offering sort-of range finder functionality
20:55 Taose I'm really after something that double checks where I am to be honest
20:55 Taose I'm not afraid of grabbing coordinates and doing some mathematics in the mean time
20:57 agaran other thing you may like are waypoints in unifieied inventory
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21:01 yusf[m]1 Can I damage the SQL database by copying it while the server's running?
21:02 RGB2 Hello everybody. Please help me. I have not transparent black textures in Minetest 0.4.15. How can i solve this bug?
21:02 RGB2 Does anybody know?
21:02 VanessaE no idea
21:02 VanessaE :(
21:04 RGB2 VanessaE: Is anybody from developers in this chat?
21:05 VanessaE there may be some developers here, I'm not sure
21:05 RGB2 ic thanks
21:07 Taose RGB2, doubtful.
21:07 Taose Copying is nonedestructive.
21:08 Taose You might have one or two glitches in game (i.e it may crash it due to some data being locked)
21:08 Taose but there should be no lasting damage.
21:08 Taose sorry wrong person
21:09 Taose I meant yusf[m]1
21:09 Taose Transparent black textures?
21:09 Taose Anyone care to explain what they are?
21:09 Taose RGB2, try reinstalling
21:09 Taose (if you're able to)
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21:17 RGB2 Taose: thank you. it doesnt help
21:26 yusf[m]1 Taose: Thanks. Though I'm thinking perhaps some writing procedure from the game could end up being not completed, so that when/if restoring to the copy the problems might arise?
21:43 Taose Do it twice, compare the file sizes?
21:43 Taose To be honest, you should probably shut down the server temporarily and do it that way
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21:48 yusf[m]1 Will do. :)
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22:38 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Cavegen: Place correct biome surface in tunnel entrances 9aabfd5 https://git.io/vD9IC (2017-02-16T22:25:14Z)
22:38 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit 3955f51 https://git.io/vD9IW (2017-02-16T22:25:07Z)
22:40 Fixer *,..,*
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22:59 yusf[m]1 How do I make cotton item out of the cotton plant?
22:59 yusf[m]1 It just drops seeds
23:00 sofar and string
23:02 sofar minetest.register_alias("farming:string", "farming:cotton")
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23:59 yusf[m]1 sofar: must've been unlucky
23:59 yusf[m]1 Thanks

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