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00:10 MinetestBot [git] juhdanad -> minetest/minetest: Lighting: Update lighting at block loading f17c9c4 https://git.io/vDrwT (2017-02-13T00:05:49Z)
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00:58 MinetestBot [git] VanessaE -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #321 from Jeija/animated_turbine 0cb286b https://git.io/vDrKs (2017-02-13T00:56:29Z)
00:58 MinetestBot [git] VanessaE -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: make "on" water turbine animated! 46cbc76 https://git.io/vDrKG (2017-02-12T18:57:30Z)
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03:22 redblade7 hi
03:23 redblade7 i just wanted to know
03:23 redblade7 my server has gotten kinda slow, especially since pizza server came back
03:24 redblade7 i was wondering if any other server admins noticed anything similar
03:25 redblade7 Creative Gardens is kind of like "creative mode pizza server with lots of plants and only killing animals"
03:26 redblade7 s/only killing animals/no damage except when killing animals
03:26 redblade7 s/except towards animals
03:26 redblade7 you cant get killed or kill other players, but you can kill animals
03:26 redblade7 but regardless
03:26 redblade7 is there less activity it seems or has just everyone else moved over to pizza?
03:27 VanessaE my servers aren't as active as they once were, either
03:28 VanessaE where everyone's going, I don't know
03:28 VanessaE (though you can see what's popular in http://servers.minetest.net/ )
03:33 redblade7 cashbox and pizza seem to be at the topof the list
03:33 redblade7 and another one i cant think
03:33 redblade7 sually
03:33 redblade7 but yeah my creative server has become kind of a ghost town
03:34 redblade7 lots of stuff but only one or two people every so often and they probably get bored and leave
03:35 redblade7 it's been online for a year this month (though i've had short-lived servers before)
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04:12 Benrob0329[m] Minetest needs a Tardis Mod
04:13 cheapie Benrob0329[m]: That would do what?
04:13 Benrob0329[m] Add a Tardis
04:13 cheapie Which would do what?
04:14 Benrob0329[m] Teleport, be bigger on the inside (by teleporting the player to a separate interior), possibly fly if its an entity
04:15 cheapie Sounds easy enough (aside from the flying), but should probably be saved for someone that's actually watched that movie.
04:16 Benrob0329[m] Movie? You mean 50+ year old forerunner of Sifi television!
04:16 Benrob0329[m] (And a movie, but that didn't do so well...)
04:17 cheapie I mean "whatever it is, I haven't seen it".
04:26 Fritigern Someone should start watching Doctor Who post haste!
04:26 Benrob0329[m] Its on Amazon Prime
04:27 Benrob0329[m] I'd recommended starting with the 2005 series on
04:27 Fritigern I remember a mod that would add something like phone booths. It should not be too hard to modify that mod
04:27 Fritigern I  mean, phone bnooth, police box.....
04:27 Benrob0329[m] Its a, "Fantastic" series :D
04:28 Fritigern The biggest difference is that the police box is bigger on the inside :-)
04:29 Benrob0329[m] The basics would be cool, and other stuff can be added later on
04:29 Benrob0329[m] (You should never be able to mine the Tardis, period)
04:30 Fritigern It would just fade away and return to the same spot after a random time interval
04:31 Fritigern It should also be lockable, for private TARDIS'es
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04:54 Benrob0329[m] And be cloak -able (ie turn invisible)
04:54 Benrob0329[m] You should be able to call it with the sonic screwdriver
04:55 Benrob0329[m] And if it teleports onto someone, they should teleport into the tardis if they don't move (can we do fading bud textures?
04:55 Benrob0329[m] *hud textures
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07:46 Baffy[m]1 i have a badass tardis on second life
07:46 Baffy[m]1 it does all kinds of shit
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07:48 fireglow I'm using leveldb for world, and the rollback database is in sqlite. How can I use PgSQL for the rollback database?
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07:56 Baffy[m]1 i can't figure out worldedit
07:56 Baffy[m]1 i guess i'm slowly getting it
08:03 Baffy[m]1 ERROR[Main]: get_biome_list: failed to get biome 'taiga'
08:04 Baffy[m]1 i'm getting this error, any idea what's up
08:04 Baffy[m]1 a get a few of them
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10:05 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! ūüėÉ
10:19 agaran JamesTait: you mean I have to clean my computer?
10:20 agaran hmm.. find / -type f -iname "*~" -delete or like?
10:20 JamesTait That'd do it!
10:24 PureTryOut[m] `sudo rm -rf /*` would also do that. WARNING: DON'T ACTUALLY RUN THAT
10:25 yusf[m] Good stuff‚Ķ https://forum.minetest.net/v‚Äčiewtopic.php?f=9&t=16652
10:43 zyabin101 PureTryOut, it will fail to run by default.
10:44 zyabin101 If there was `--no-preserve-root`, *that* will be a *problem*...
10:44 PureTryOut[m] nope
10:44 PureTryOut[m] `/*` will run fine, `/` is what would fail
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13:42 PureTryOut[m] have there been talks of being able to edit the mainmenu in a subgame using client side modding yet? would there be any interest for it as well? is it worth posting an issue for?
13:44 PureTryOut[m] it would be awesome to have an unique look for a specific subgame
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14:07 fireglow Anybody else noticed how the mesecon switches switch back to their previous state when switched? That's rather annoying.
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15:12 Benrob0329[m] (Offtopic) http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2‚Äč017/02/mesa-17-0-0-released
15:19 kaeza meow
15:19 PureTryOut[m] is that a hint to a cat mod?
15:20 Jordach Benrob0329[m], now checks for invalid hex colours http://i.imgur.com/3X1kGFJ.png
15:21 sfan5 fancy color chooser when
15:22 PureTryOut[m] fix your texturepack Jordach :p
15:22 fireglow in two minetest weeks
15:22 fireglow (about 5 years)
15:22 Jordach PureTryOut[m], it's no texture pack :^)
15:23 PureTryOut[m] well that's the problem then
15:23 PureTryOut[m] fix the chest textures
15:23 PureTryOut[m] is that a character customizer?
15:23 Jordach yes
15:23 Jordach with complete HEX controlled colours
15:23 PureTryOut[m] cool!
15:23 Jordach there'll be a book containing a list of common colours
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15:24 Jordach the preview button should display the current state onto an entity
15:24 Jordach haven't got there yet
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15:28 PureTryOut[m] definitely cool though
15:28 PureTryOut[m] I wonder, if a dependency of a certain mod is in a modpack, will that dependency be fulfilled?
15:30 Jordach PureTryOut[m], it's legit exclusive to my prototype subgame
15:30 PureTryOut[m] ooh ok, I understand ;)
15:30 Jordach currently it stands on that it has more content than minetest_game
15:30 kaeza <sfan5> fancy color chooser when
15:31 kaeza would be nice to be able to get the mouse coords when an image is clicked
15:31 Jordach kaeza, do i smell web1.0 hyperlink maps?
15:31 kaeza you could make a nicer color chooser or something
15:32 Jordach kaeza, if that ever happens the current style formspec will just become the advanced tab
15:32 Jordach for finer control
15:32 Jordach they'll still save to rgb_table[pname][field.*]
15:33 kaeza you could hack something around with lots of little small image_button[]s :P
15:33 Jordach ew
15:33 Jordach i already have 40+ buttons
15:33 Jordach fook that
15:33 kaeza see how mapp mod made the minimaps (okay, not clickable, but still...)
15:34 PureTryOut[m] > currently it stands on that it has more content than minetest_game
15:34 PureTryOut[m] Jordach: what are you making then?
15:34 Jordach PureTryOut[m], it once started as a texturing project
15:34 PureTryOut[m] it has grown out of hand I would guess
15:35 Jordach :O
15:35 Jordach gimme a minute
15:35 kaeza Jordach, make a TP using the PICO8 palette :D
15:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/YmhhZMb.png
15:37 PureTryOut[m] I [made a thing as well](https://cloud.githubusercontent.co‚Äčm/assets/1565836/22839893/97a753e2‚Äč-efcb-11e6-9a23-7488a88fce28.png) ;)
15:37 Jordach nice meme
15:37 sfan5 8/10 doesn't looks enough like minecraft
15:37 Jordach i give it a 5/7
15:38 Jordach >mesh not found
15:38 Jordach you're worse than me
15:38 PureTryOut[m] lol I fixed that since
15:38 Jordach http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/ima‚Äčges/original/000/446/460/866.gif
15:38 PureTryOut[m] and I agree doesn't look enough like Minecraft. if only I could change fonts in formspecs :/
15:38 PureTryOut[m] well and if only I had access to the fonts using a no copyright license :p
15:39 Jordach https://68.media.tumblr.com/d2e11ba5bed19f5dc452‚Äč021c333051d2/tumblr_noknpbUBY61s4cvdqo1_500.gif
15:40 kaeza PureTryOut[m], https://dl.dropboxusercontent.co‚Äčm/u/100008207/tmp/KPixelFont.ttf
15:40 Benrob0329[m] Google Fonts are often under copyfree licenses
15:40 Benrob0329[m] there's a Github report of then somewhere ...
15:40 Benrob0329[m] *repo
15:41 PureTryOut[m] I know, but it has to look like the Minecraft one lol :p
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15:41 PureTryOut[m] although I guess we could just extract the one Minecraft uses and provide an alternative ourselves
15:41 Benrob0329[m] Press Start 2 Play?
15:42 ^7heo Does anyone here knows a good free RTS?
15:42 ^7heo (for a LAB Party)
15:42 ^7heo LAN* even
15:43 zyabin101 Jordach, tumblr image is "Access Denied" for me :/
15:43 PureTryOut[m] Benrob0329: Start 2 Play?
15:43 PureTryOut[m] zyabin101: it's a meme anyway, you shouldn't care :p
15:44 Benrob0329[m] PureTryOut: Press Start 2 Play is a Retro style font
15:44 Benrob0329[m] I use it as my main font on YouTube
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15:46 PureTryOut[m] picture somewhere?
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15:47 *¬†Benrob0329[m] uploaded an image: Benrob0329_title.png (0KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down‚Äčload/matrix.org/kCHGMKNKmhPpWdZXzsakAZhU
15:48 *¬†Benrob0329[m] posted a file: PressStart2P-Regular.ttf (68KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down‚Äčload/matrix.org/uCsJtKNlvWPAemcYtXaCqhIQ
15:48 Benrob0329[m] Its an apache licensed font
15:48 PureTryOut[m] ooh nice
15:48 PureTryOut[m] but is it even possible to change font in formspecs?
15:48 PureTryOut[m] and text color?
15:49 Benrob0329[m] i dont think so, but you can change the global font
15:49 Benrob0329[m] (i do believe color was recently added though)
15:50 PureTryOut[m] global would be good enough for the font itself. although I do need to change the color in the formspec itself :/
15:50 PureTryOut[m] there are no docs for changing color yet though
15:52 Benrob0329[m] take a look at listcolors
15:52 Benrob0329[m] it looks like you can change everything but font color :-/
15:53 Benrob0329[m] you can change the color of a textlist though...
15:54 PureTryOut[m] lol
15:54 Benrob0329[m] but not the basic label
15:54 PureTryOut[m] well that's the one I need haha
15:54 PureTryOut[m] that and font size
15:54 Benrob0329[m] logic == out the window
15:55 kaeza ^7heo, Warzone 2100 ?
15:55 PureTryOut[m] something else: have there been talks of being able to edit the mainmenu in a subgame using client side modding yet? would there be any interest for it as well? is it worth posting an issue for?
15:55 ^7heo kaeza: thanks :)
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15:57 PureTryOut[m] ^7heo: 0AD?
15:57 kaeza there's also 0 A.D.
15:57 kaeza bah
15:58 PureTryOut[m] ha ;)
15:59 PureTryOut[m] 0AD is awesome, but the pathfinding sucks right now
16:01 ^7heo :D
16:01 ^7heo Thanks guys
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16:53 Calinou the story of 0 A.D:
16:53 Calinou A persian soldier told me to build this.
16:53 Calinou The other one said, "[SpiderMonkey exception at...]"
16:53 Calinou end of 0 A.D. story
16:54 PureTryOut[m] huh, it's quite stable ime
16:54 Benrob0329[m] was that found along with the Dead Sea Scrolls?
16:54 Benrob0329[m] or was it another anchient manuscript?
16:55 zyabin101 Calinou, didn't know 0 A.D. used a dumb version of SpiderMonkey XD
16:56 Calinou :)
16:58 Benrob0329[m] I love being able to send Ctrl Although L from my phone to my computer
16:58 Benrob0329[m] *Alt
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17:00 Calinou as long as you don't send Ctrl+Alt+Backspace :p
17:00 Calinou (that kills X server on old distros)
17:01 Benrob0329[m] Still does on a lot of them
17:01 rubenwardy PureTryOut[m], the main menu is completely unrelated to client side modding
17:02 PureTryOut[m] but it could become related right? ;)
17:02 rubenwardy nope
17:02 agaran Calinou: unless you have DontZap set.. :) (that disabled alt-ctrl-backspace Xserver kill)
17:02 Benrob0329[m] Calinou: although that could be usefully as well
17:02 rubenwardy they will never become related, as when you're in the main menu you're not connected to the server
17:02 rubenwardy and the game's not running
17:02 rubenwardy also, we already have main menu scripting
17:03 PureTryOut[m] no but you do have a subgame selected
17:03 PureTryOut[m] so outside of a mod, the subgame could do it no?
17:03 Benrob0329[m] Its planned
17:04 PureTryOut[m] it's really? awesome!
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17:11 Benrob0329[m] PureTryOut: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3818
17:12 PureTryOut[m] ooh awesome!
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17:39 zyabin101 What mods do you deem *necessary* for a new subgame?
17:39 zyabin101 In my list there's a block I can put my feet on, water, river water, lava and a creative inventory.
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17:44 VanessaE zyabin101: some people would consider homedecor a necessity ;)
17:45 VanessaE (and a few of my other mods)
17:45 VanessaE moreblocks is a de-facto standard too
17:46 Calinou "de-facto standard"
17:46 Calinou time to announce the More Blocks Steering Committee
17:46 VanessaE heh
17:46 Calinou :)
17:47 zyabin101 De-facto Mod Steering Committee? I'm in favour. :)
17:48 ^7heo I'm in flavour personally.
17:48 zyabin101 Calinou, how do I map your mod to my blocks?
17:48 Calinou what do you mean?
17:48 Calinou you can create aliases if need be
17:50 zyabin101 Not every game has a mod called `default` (PilzAdam's `minimal`), and I might want to use names other than i.e. `default:cobble`, choosing something like `default:cobblestone`.
17:52 agaran VanessaE: and we will need to have 'standard' blocks hidden under double glass envelope in severes near paris?;)
17:52 VanessaE heh
17:52 agaran cast from Pt-Indium alloy?
17:53 agaran Sorry I really couldn't resist..
17:53 Calinou zyabin101: I think you'd need to use aliases or search-and-replace, I don't know
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17:54 zyabin101 Oh k :/
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18:55 kaeza test
18:55 kaeza test
18:55 Benrob0329[m] succsess?
18:56 kaeza did that appear doubled? O.o
18:57 Benrob0329[m] yes
18:59 agaran kaeza: I'd say squared success..
19:03 rdococ success^2
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19:05 Taose success²?
19:08 rdococ it's ridiculous how Microsoft needed to add <!--[if]> tags - I mean, cmon, just add support for standard stuff already
19:09 agaran :)
19:11 rdococ love how IE needs "special instructions" as one site puts it
19:13 rdococ internet exploder -_-
19:19 Krock internet explorer, best joke after microsoft bob
19:25 rdococ heh
19:25 MinetestBot [git] VanessaE -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: fix wrong UV mapping on "on" turbine blades dd2b36c https://git.io/vDKEx (2017-02-13T19:24:29Z)
19:26 rdococ wow, Microsoft is a jackass
19:26 rdococ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/‚ÄčEmbrace,_extend_and_extinguish
19:27 Krock #define WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN
19:27 Krock that's really a thing
19:27 rdococ probably
19:34 rdococ thank god I didn't upgrade to Windows 10 while I had the chance
19:34 Krock I never had the chance so I must be even luckier with that logic
19:35 rdococ true
19:35 agaran :-)
19:36 rdococ thank god IE is discontinued... I hope edge is slightly less crap
19:36 rdococ but I don't even have high hopes for that
19:37 rdococ do you know what IE says? "Portal 2 confirmed!"
19:40 rdococ http://tinyurl.com/h2acypk should happen
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20:13 PureTryOut[m] why does that print 0?
20:15 * PureTryOut[m] is making his mods more modular and now that fails without a good reason where it worked before
20:15 PureTryOut[m] actually, I might know this
20:15 PureTryOut[m] I think I had this problem before
20:16 PureTryOut[m] yup nvm I'm being awfully dumb again
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20:32 Alcyone oups still here (f**** wifi)
20:35 Alcyone Feb 13 21:22:57 raspberrypi systemd[17383]: Failed at step CHDIR spawning /usr/games/minetestserver: No such file or directory
20:35 Alcyone Feb 13 21:22:57 raspberrypi systemd[1]: minetest.service: control process exited, code=exited status=200
20:35 Alcyone Feb 13 21:22:57 raspberrypi systemd[1]: Failed to start Minetest Server Latest.
20:35 Alcyone the issue should be there
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20:41 sfan5 Alcyone: it might be a good idea to actually install minetestserver if you want to use it
20:42 Alcyone sfan5, it is :D
20:42 Alcyone if I run my command it works
20:42 Alcyone But I failed trying to create a deamon
20:43 Alcyone (this command "minetestserver --world /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/Latest --port 30000")
20:43 Alcyone minetestserver is installed with a Debian backport
20:44 sfan5 check where the binary actually resides
20:45 Alcyone pi@raspberrypi /etc/systemd/system $ which minetestserver
20:46 Alcyone .
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20:46 Alcyone which minetestserver => /usr/games/minetestserver
20:47 agaran sfan5: I see you did not ask why I made one big struct for all datum/union.. :)
20:47 Alcyone if it is the right command to find the binary
20:47 sfan5 agaran: you must've had a good reason, it looks a little unnecessary to me though
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20:49 agaran sfan5: well I wanted to avoid memory fragmentation simply and all those pieces are always used together..
20:50 agaran plus union was cleanest way to get binary keys which are good for gdbm..
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20:55 sfan5 agaran: i'm not questioning your usage of an union, but the struct is really not needed
20:55 sfan5 "memory fragmentation" is not a problem
20:55 sfan5 since these should be allocated on the stack anyway
20:57 agaran I can fix that.
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21:25 agaran sfan5: extern GDBM_FILE gdbm_open __P((char *, int, int, int, void (*)()));
21:25 agaran not every gdbm has 'const' qualifier for first arg..
21:25 sfan5 sloppy interface design
21:26 sfan5 just pass c_str() the compiler will warn if it's not const
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21:26 agaran okay, on one of my boxes it is not const.. thats why I wrote it around..
21:26 agaran I did read docs..;)
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21:27 sfan5 in any case your memory allocation should use the c++ way of doing things (except for freeing the stuff created by gdbm)
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21:29 agaran I saw that builds failed, and here builds were okay.. well :)
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21:41 sfan5 agaran: maybe you are trying to import gdbm headers even if it is disabled
21:45 agaran sfan5: I think I am not.. but okay trying to rework that on second box where different gcc throws lot more errors.
21:46 agaran sfan5: and on my debian 8 gdbm db name isn't const.. (even if manual for same version says it is, headers say otherwise)
21:48 sfan5 wtf why does the implementation violate the manual
21:48 agaran I don't know..
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23:57 TheInformer can someone help me?
23:58 TheInformer I need help creating a formspec

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