Time  Nick          Message
00:07 DI3HARD139    Question. How does one make lua loop in minetest?
00:10 ShadowNinja   while true do end?
00:11 ShadowNinja   Minetest has all the regular Lua looping structures.
00:13 DI3HARD139    Tried that. Crashes the client/server or returns "Out of memory"
00:13 red-001       well obviously you want your loop to end
00:14 red-001       https://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.4.html
00:15 red-001       a while with with a condition of true will run forever
00:15 red-001       or at least for a few seconds before mt crashes
00:17 DI3HARD139    So like this? http://pastebin.com/8Px6fJS2
00:17 red-001       no...
00:18 * DI3HARD139  goes back to reading
00:18 red-001       that will never work
00:21 red-001       this might http://pastebin.com/9DtEAzuy
00:27 DI3HARD139    indeed it did. Ty
00:28 DI3HARD139    Now to start in verbose mode and see if core.clear_objects is even being called as I cannot tell
00:28 DI3HARD139    On either versions
00:30 DI3HARD139    Ok it was on both versions. Perfect!
00:30 DI3HARD139    Thanks again!
00:41 red-001       your welcome
01:31 MinetestBot   02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix AIX threading build 133eecc6f https://git.io/vDUsG (152017-01-28T23:52:07Z)
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09:26 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Rename height to scale for openConsole() (#5139) 13707e27b https://git.io/vDUEn (152017-01-29T09:26:00Z)
12:14 Kurolox       Hello. It's there any way to add hyperlinks to the MOTD or the chat?
12:15 Calinou       Kurolox: nope, it's not possible to click the chat anyway
12:15 Kurolox       Any alternative or mod that could get me something similar?
12:15 Kurolox       as in, a command that opens a website or something like that?
12:19 Calinou       Kurolox: no...
12:19 Calinou       that'd be a security risk unless there's a confirmation dialog, so don't expect that to be added
12:20 crazyR        that should be added. but... as you say with a confirmation dialog
12:23 Kurolox       I understand. Also, there's a way to make people be able to change their passwords by themselves? I know that there's the setpassword command, but I believe that if I give them access to it they can change the password of everyone else
12:26 sfan5         Kurolox: people can already change their own password
12:27 sfan5         besides /setpassword is less secure than the usual password authentication mechanism
12:28 Kurolox       How can they?
12:31 sfan5         Kurolox: http://i.imgur.com/Rcpo37s.png
12:38 Kurolox       I see. Thanks for the help, sfan!
12:40 Kurolox       Now I only need to fix the missing object stuff and I should be able to open my server to the public
12:49 Kurolox       Seriously. This have been haunting me since I started to make the server. Unknown objects appears randomly through the map and I have absolutely no idea about where do they come from. http://i.imgur.com/N4EtMHo.png
12:49 red-001       are you using mtg?
12:49 Kurolox       mtg?
12:50 Kurolox       minetest_game?
12:50 Kurolox       yes
12:50 red-001       weird
12:50 Kurolox       It does have some mods tho
12:50 red-001       what mods?
12:50 red-001       do /mods if you don't remember
12:50 Kurolox       areas       farming_plus  homedecor_modpack  minetest-3d_armor      mobs_animal   mobs_npc   moreblocks   signs   throwing       unified_inventory  worldedit  xdecor
12:50 Kurolox       enchanting  hbhunger      hudbars            minetest-mod-mesecons  mobs_monster  mobs_redo  serverguide  sprint  treecapitator  workbench          xban2
12:51 red-001       moat likely it's one of the mobs mods
12:51 Kurolox       I thought so, but disabling them and doing a clearobjects didn't fixed it
12:51 Kurolox       http://i.imgur.com/1Jchuz3.png
12:52 red-001       could you get the name of the entities?
12:52 red-001       or did that break again in mt?
12:53 Kurolox       I'm not sure about it. Pressing F5 tells me that they are "GenericCAO hp=1 armor={fleshy=100,}"
12:53 Kurolox       Not sure if that's what you mean
12:53 red-001       looks like it's broken again
12:54 red-001       do these appear often?
12:54 Kurolox       Quite often
12:54 red-001       whats your mtg/mt version?
12:55 Kurolox       0.4.15
12:57 red-001       do the mobs work correctly?
12:57 Kurolox       Yes. I tried to spawn all of them with the eggs, none of them seemed to be broken
12:58 red-001       that's really weird
12:58 Fixer         Kurolox: probably mobs
12:59 Kurolox       I'm 100% sure that it's a mod since when I had only mtg I didn't had any issue
12:59 Kurolox       the problem is that I have no way to troubleshoot which mod is causing it
12:59 red-001       how come?
13:00 Kurolox       They just appear randomly, I can't get any relevant info from the missing objects and the server log doesn't show anything that could be relevant
13:00 Kurolox       so I'm not sure how to check which mod is spawning them
13:00 red-001       not sure what I can do
13:01 red-001       have you asked on mt-dev or project?
13:01 Kurolox       not really, I've asked here a few times. I'm not sure if they will be able to help me since it's a mod and not the base game though.
13:02 sfan5         in mods look for "minetest.add_entity"
13:03 Kurolox       as in the code of the mods?
13:03 Krock         IIRC you can get the names of them by punching or right-clicking the unknown entities
13:03 Krock         once you have the name you know which mod caused it
13:03 sfan5         yes
13:05 Fixer         also
13:05 Fixer         i filed a bugreport about missing name of entities, it is a bug
13:05 Fixer         some time ago
13:05 sfan5         unknown nodes are also missing their description
13:05 Fixer         now you don't see entity name even in F5 mode, even for stuff like Sand
13:06 Fixer         just that GenercCAO thing
13:06 Fixer         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5042
13:06 Fixer         https://i.imgur.com/B0ildql.png
13:11 Kurolox       I believe that I do have two different kinds of missing object though
13:11 Kurolox       one is the random that happens all the time, then there's other that I'm 100% sure that is caused by the signs mod
13:12 Kurolox       mostly because if I add a sign with text, every other player will see a missing object in the sign instead of the text that was written, and if someone breaks the missing object the text in the sign dissapears
14:40 miloszs       hi
15:57 IhrFussel     red-001, hey there! Whats the command to tell paramat something again?
15:57 red-001       well !tell for public or /msg memoserv for private
16:06 red-001       lol technicality speaking you can dig an undigable node in 115.74 days
16:07 Krock         yes, that's documented somewhere
16:07 red-001       lol
16:07 Krock         dig time = 100000 or something like that
16:07 red-001       // I guess nobody will wait for this long
16:07 red-001       runData->dig_time_complete = 10000000.0;
16:08 red-001       funny that it's documented
16:09 Krock         5 minutes to edit the client source, recompile and fly through that stuff
16:09 Krock         the chance for a server crash is too big
16:10 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Ezhh -> 03minetest/minetest: Add console height setting (#5136) 130c9189d https://git.io/vDUDC (152017-01-29T16:10:17Z)
16:18 IhrFussel     !tell paramat How safe is it to change from v6 mapgen to v7 when the world size is ~ 5GB already? What are the risks? Thanks in advance :)
16:18 MinetestBot   IhrFussel: I'll pass that on when paramat is around
16:19 agaran        IhrFussel: you will get misaligned spots when one mapgen generated one place, other generated next.. but it did not cause any worse stuff than that for me
16:21 IhrFussel     agaran, so you mean where v6 and v7 cross? How big was the affected area?
16:22 agaran        if you have one block generated by v6, then next block, later will be generated by v7 you may end up with arbitrary cliff.. or waterfall or such
16:22 agaran        can be mess because one mapgen might make high lake other will do flat desert down..
16:22 IhrFussel     Like...was it just at the border between the mapgens or larger?
16:22 agaran        only borders between genrated and not-generated
16:23 agaran        can be mess to some degree
16:23 IhrFussel     Everything beyond should operate like a newly generated v7 map?
16:25 IhrFussel     My current map gen limit is 8000 ... So when i move to v7 and increase the limit i sgould be able to tell players "looking for new mapgen? 8500+"
16:27 red-001       yeah
16:27 red-001       but it will also generate in unexplored areas inside your current limit
16:28 agaran        IhrFussel: it also means on surface level too
16:30 red-001       so you will get really messy looking terrain at the boundaries
16:30 agaran        yup
16:31 red-001       I think mgv7 terrain is higher then mgv6 so you might get a few mountain tops that are just floating in mid air
16:36 IhrFussel     The map is largely generated until at least 4000...i could just add a command that tp players to 100% nicely generated v7 areas
16:37 red-001       well it's not game breaking broken terrain but it looks a bit ugly
16:38 IhrFussel     red-001, does v7 have the same biomes as valleys minus the valley-like landscape?
16:38 red-001       e.g. think of massive cliffs that are completely straight
16:38 red-001       iirc yes
16:39 IhrFussel     Ok good cause if i move to a new mapgen then i want one with all available biomes
16:42 red-001       IhrFussel, you might want to join #minetest-project
16:42 red-001       a lot of the server owners are on there
16:49 IhrFussel     What is the voice right for again?
16:59 kaeza         greetings
17:00 Krock         IhrFussel, in moderated channels it's used to give people the permission to talk
17:00 IhrFussel     Krock, so this channel is "unmoderated"?
17:01 Krock         this one here, yes.
17:01 Krock         same as all other minetest channels BUT project
17:01 kaeza         "unmoderated" in the IRC sense ;)
17:02 kaeza         you can expect some bot to kick you in the privates if you do something silly
17:03 Krock         and sfan is able to manipulate MTB, so pay attention ;)
17:17 VanessaE      kaeza: sorry if my homedecor changes are getting in the way of those translation updates, btw
17:17 VanessaE      just fixing bugs introduced in the last few days' worth of feature changes
17:17 kaeza         VanessaE, haven't had any issues with them, but don't worry about that
17:18 kaeza         I know where you live <_<
17:18 kaeza         merged the auto-generated catalogs and Bruno's pt update BTW
17:19 kaeza         Calinou, ping ^
17:20 VanessaE      kaeza: I don't see that mer...oh there it is.
17:22 VanessaE      did you get a chance to play around with the stuff I've been doing?
17:22 kaeza         what stuff?
17:23 kaeza         ah the colored nodes?
17:23 VanessaE      yeah
17:24 VanessaE      there's more such conversions on the way, starting tonight
17:24 juhdanad      Which mods did you change? (I would like to see them)
17:24 VanessaE      taking a break to turn my brain into mush the old-fashioned way: with TV  (futurama) :)
17:24 kaeza         heh
17:25 VanessaE      juhdanad:  homedecor, coloredwood, unifiedbricks, stainedglass, blox, bobblocks
17:25 VanessaE      they all use param2 colorization, and homedecor has some of the static color=<foo> usage
17:26 VanessaE      in all casesz they derive their palette and colorization code from unified dyes
17:28 kaeza         coloredwood got an update? nice
17:29 VanessaE      yeah, and that one was a bitch :)
17:30 VanessaE      since it uses facedir (stairsplus support), I had to divide the unified dyes palette, one strip of 8 px per hue
17:30 VanessaE      so in the base mod there are 13 nodes, plus one more for the fence since they're not facedir.
17:32 VanessaE      with stairsplus there are something like 400 nodes ( (12 hues + 1 grey strip)* 30_odd stairs shapes, plus the fence)
17:34 juhdanad      Then how many blocks were registered before?
17:35 VanessaE      ( 90 * 30 ) * 2, plus 90 sticks
17:35 VanessaE      er, no, ( 90 * 30 ) + 90 + 90
17:35 VanessaE      (90 colors * 30 shapes) + 90 fences + 90 sticks
17:36 VanessaE      so almost 2900 items and nodes
17:36 juhdanad      Maybe this is why node initialization is slow when you join a server.
17:36 VanessaE      yep
17:37 VanessaE      plus, consider how much memory was being consumed by the textures
17:37 juhdanad      2900 items*16*16 pixels*4 bytes
17:37 VanessaE      think HDX :P
17:38 VanessaE      so ( 2700*512*512 + 90*16*16) * 4
17:38 VanessaE      er
17:38 VanessaE      so ( 2700*512*512 + 90*64*64) * 4
17:38 VanessaE      (sticks are item images, so they're 64px)
17:38 juhdanad      2,8 MiB with 16*16 textures.
17:39 juhdanad      17 MiB if you punch blocks and crack textures are also generated.
17:40 juhdanad      2,6 GiB with HDX textures, 16 GiB if you punch all.
17:40 juhdanad      I don't wanna play with HDX.
17:41 VanessaE      heh
17:41 juhdanad      Node crack should also be an overlay...
17:41 kaeza         VanessaE, works quite well except for unifiedbricks
17:42 VanessaE      what's wrong with it?
17:42 kaeza         maybe I cloned the wrong repo?
17:42 kaeza         bricks don't wnt to be colorized
17:42 VanessaE      wrong repo probably.
17:42 kaeza         is it mt-mods/unifiedbricks?
17:42 VanessaE      https://github.com/minetest-mods/unifiedbricks
17:43 kaeza         hm, I do have an "Use param2-based colorization" commit in the logs
17:44 VanessaE      what are you trying to do exactly?
17:45 kaeza         right click with dye? or is it something else?
17:45 VanessaE      place a default brick and right click it with dye, yes
17:45 VanessaE      however,
17:46 kaeza         oh
17:46 VanessaE      the latest commit is "cleaner way to call after_dig_node"
17:46 VanessaE      also make sure unified dyes is up to date
17:46 kaeza         I just cloned both
17:46 kaeza         I was trying to color an already-colored red brick
17:47 kaeza         ah it works now :P
17:47 VanessaE      \o/
17:48 juhdanad      VanessaE: did you know that you can specify the wield color for a palette node?
17:48 VanessaE      no I didn't
17:48 VanessaE      that'll save some more memory
17:48 juhdanad      This is what the node-global color is for.
17:49 VanessaE      got an example I can plagiari-- er refer to ? :)
17:50 kaeza         can you also colorize stairs, etc?
17:50 VanessaE      yep
17:50 VanessaE      well
17:50 VanessaE      sorta
17:50 kaeza         TODO? :P
17:50 VanessaE      stairsplus nodes are supported
17:50 kaeza         ah
17:50 VanessaE      stairsplus through colored wood mod, that is.
17:50 VanessaE      I just didn't get around to adding support for default bricks and stairs
17:51 juhdanad      register_node("grass", {palette="foilage.png", paramtype2="color", color="green", tiles={"grass_top.png", {name="dirt.png", color="white"}}}
17:52 juhdanad      This grass will be green in your inventory.
17:53 VanessaE      ahh
17:53 VanessaE      works with color-oxff123456  also?
17:53 VanessaE      0x*
17:53 VanessaE      damn it I can't type
17:53 juhdanad      Yes, it works with any ColorSpec.
17:54 VanessaE      nice.
17:55 Benrob0329[m] Hello all
17:56 juhdanad      Hello!
18:15 VanessaE      kaeza: any further comments? :)
18:16 kaeza         VanessaE, looks excellent so far, and the reduction in node defs will certainly help
18:17 kaeza         BTW, wasn't there some color machine thing for easy workign with unifieddyes?
18:17 VanessaE      yes
18:17 VanessaE      I already gave Sokomine the heads-up on that
18:17 kaeza         have a link handy? my google-fu is failing :P
18:17 kaeza         ah Sokomine
18:17 VanessaE      colormachine needs to drop support for all of the above mods because now it doesn't work for them anyway
18:18 juhdanad      There should be a paint spray mod to paint many nodes at once.
18:18 VanessaE      juhdanad: unifieddyes
18:18 VanessaE      just place a bunch of nodes, and start right-clicking (hold to paint continuously, I think)
18:19 kaeza         this also makes it easy cto colorize ALL the nodes!
18:19 VanessaE      sooner or later I'll write a small mod (or add to gloopblocks) to colorize more stuff
18:39 octacian      How do I create scrollable non-editable text like in the credits area of the mainmenu? IK it has something to do with tables, but haven't been able to figure it out. I'm working on a computer terminal.
18:43 sfan5         read the source code of the mainmenu
18:48 VanessaE      in cheapie's newplayer mod, I used a list to do that
18:48 VanessaE      (I don't recall why, maybe some function I needed wasn't available in the in-mod API)
19:45 silwol        Hi all, I want to shout out a big thank you to all the devs of the engine, game and the mods.
19:45 silwol        Having quite a lot of fun with my 5- and 8-year old sons on weekends playing minetest.
19:46 silwol        I tried one of the first minetest versions several years ago, and it couldn't run longer than a minute before it crashed back then. It is really amazing how the game evolved in the meantime.
19:49 Krock         If you want to thank the developers directly, then you'd have to visit #minetest-dev to make sure that they surely see it.
19:49 red-001       ^
19:50 Krock         however, some of them, including some other contributors are here and will most likely see this message :)
19:52 silwol        Krock: oh, I just saw the topic when you wrote it. Didn't know there was an additional -dev channel, because I saw some familiar dev names here :-)
19:53 Krock         spread the word about minetest! let it grow!
20:20 silwol        Doing that already quite a lot. At least 5 players started playing because I recommended it to them.
20:20 silwol        My sons seem to invite players more easily than I do… "Uncle, would you like to join us in Minetest on our Server? We are have already built this and that on it…"
20:37 silwol        how large are the areas which get generated at once?
20:38 sfan5         silwol: map generation happens in 50x50x50 areas iirc
20:38 silwol        thx
20:45 kaeza         50³ ? isn't it 5³ "mapblocks" or 80³ nodes?
20:47 red-001       it should be on the dev wiki
20:57 nore          silwol: it is 80^3
20:58 silwol        that's ok as well. just wanted to know because I added a new mod which generatest blocks, and therefore won't affect areas already generated before.
20:58 silwol        thx nore
22:36 VanessaE      kaeza: did you find any issues with coloredwood? or do you think it's safe to merge?
22:37 kaeza         it compiles. ship it!
22:37 VanessaE      (I'm been trying to get someone to review that PR)
22:37 kaeza         no issues :P
22:37 kaeza         well, from an user perspective
22:37 kaeza         haven't reviewed the code
22:38 VanessaE      you don't want to. :)
22:38 VanessaE      if it works properly 100%, then that's good enough for me :)
22:38 VanessaE      merged.
22:38 VanessaE      BAM! :)
22:39 kaeza         273 changed files
22:39 kaeza         I ain't reviewing that
22:40 kaeza         let's just wait for the bug reports :P
22:42 VanessaE      most of those changes are deleted files :)
23:13 Fixer         wth with forums again? why so slow?
23:13 Fixer         VanessaE: your https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2411 page needs new images
23:15 VanessaE      *Waits for page to load*
23:16 VanessaE      oh yeah
23:16 VanessaE      that one and several others need updated, as do the READMEs for the mods
23:17 Fixer         VanessaE: i think all of them in your bottom text (how it is called again?)
23:17 VanessaE      bottom text?
23:17 Fixer         Plantlife ~ More Trees ~ Home Decor ~ Pipeworks ~ HDX Textures (16-512px)
23:17 VanessaE      oh that
23:18 VanessaE      yeah, those and a few more
23:18 agaran        it would be nice to have textmode client for testing.. so you can login from cmdline, issuecommand or 3.. move few nodes.. click this/that.. shutdown server..
23:18 Fixer         agaran: write that in lua, run minetestserver, ???, problem?
23:18 VanessaE      agaran: irc and irc_commands mod together are useful for that
23:19 agaran        hmm thats some solution but some stuff requires player to be logged in..
23:19 agaran        and that requires $DISPLAY
23:19 agaran        no good for things like Leroy Jenkins (aka automatic testing via jenkins/travis/whatever)
23:49 octacian      For those of you interested in computers in Minetest, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16538